"No, he's saying you would be an intelligent, well educated individual if you didn't make broad generalizations like "they" want to take away your freedoms."
When "they" are devout Muslims, that is precisely what they are commanded to do as a collateral effect of establishing a Muslim state. Islam demands submission, it does not preach freedom, end of fucking story. Anyone asserting otherwise is either malicious or delusional.
Go visit Muslim lands, and note that the more devout, the less "free" (in the Western, secular sense) they are.
Been there (on friendly terms, I have social skills and get on smoothly, (ask me about my canned fake anti-Zionism rant), done that, still have some of the T-shirts. Islam and personal freedom don't go together. The best effort to play that game was by a gentleman named Ataturk, and it requires a secular military willing to kill local Jihadists to make it barely work. The jury is out on how long that will last.
That wouldn't be worse, in terms of the long-term cultural struggle. Islam is Pan-Arabist at the core, which is an ETHNIC distinction (not everything is RACE, kids! Know the difference!) It is an ethnic and cultural war machine, as are most religions. Choose a side, there is no opt-out.
Before modern PC beliefs, it should be noted that great (in the sense of "large", not "glorious") struggles entail awkward methods, brutality, and lots of innocent casualties. Further, they cannot be waged any other way. This is unfortunate, but all great (in the sense of "influential", not "glorious") warfighters (Mohammed included!) understood this.
Had "innocent worship" been the over-riding concern, the Allies would not have won WWII. There is a time to take sides, and slay the other side until you win, because they are not more important than victory. If they are, kill yourself instead and save everyone else the bother.
Islam is such a durable religion because it uses effective methods to take and hold power. They route around tolerance the way Hitler routed around Weimar democracy (not all Nazi analogies are flawed).
Muslims don't belong in the US, and since the law won't solve the problem individual initiatives take place. If Islam is the truth, there should be no need for Muslims to degrade themselves by living here. Move to Saudi Arabia, etc, and wallow instead of trying to spread contagion here.
They need to GTFO back to their desert. I've been there and have seen the inevitable end result of Islam. It would be worth genocide if necessary to contain it. Islam is an implacable enemy of every other belief. The few tolerant Muslims are accessories and don't matter, nor do the utterly delusional variety that play ball with our side.
Playing by the rules that the enemy has already completely exploited is not more important than cultural self-defense.
Pretty much on-target, and why an Indo-Pak nuclear war would be a beautiful thing. (India has the resources to recover, and the people to put boots on the ground to finish off their enemy Pakistan.)
Nuremburg conditioned the world to believe there are no bad religions (as if someone trying to kill you indicated virtue).
There can be bad political beliefs, but it is taboo to understand that superstition IS a political belief. Most superstitionists buy in to the lie because to admit it is embarrassing.
Godwin time:
"Nazism isn't bad, but there are bad Nazis." Ridiculous except to apologists.
Islam is in many ways, particularly womens rights, worse than either Nazism or Stalinism or Maoism, but it is Flamebait to criticize religion.
WHY should anyone respect superstition? I don't.
The thing to do is prepare for war while pretending something else, build alliances with modern, logical governments (China, etc) and wait for opportunity. Agitate against Islam as you would any other toxic nonsense, and rely on the Jihadists to react badly. RELIGIONISTS CAN BE MANIPULATED BY THE DICTATES OF THEIR SUPERSTITION. This is a permanent vulnerability, use it.
"Or, do we just start killing them? I think that is going to be a major test of *our* so called civilization."
We join with anyone available and cut any deals to fight back, just as during WWII. (Hugs Commies, who had the right idea about what to do with religionists!).
IMO the "terrorists" are less a threat than Islam itself. Our new rules of engagement exclude fighting enemies who don't kill lots of us, so that's the sort we need.
When you haven't ruthlessly focused your education on acquiring a variety of JOB skills that, along with hobbies that help make you employable, expect not to be employed. Your elders made the mistake of telling you is "do your own thing" without warning you that choices have consequences. Your school, like many, may have been more focused on SELLING a degree than fitting clients for work.
What did you study?
I took my lessons from MY elders, the Depression babies who had to scrabble. Life is a shit sandwich, and the more bread you have the less shit you taste. Education is for making MONEY, because without MONEY, you have fewer choices. Hobbies and recreational education are for fun, but don't typically pay the rent. If you can't get a job that fits your education, do any damn thing you have to. Consider skilled trades (I've never met a mechanic who couldn't make a living) instead of pushing paper. (Come to think of it, that's one area where some of your elders screwed you by discouraging manual labor. Mechanics and weldors, for example, can make serious money and are highly mobile.)
Unique and special snowflakes may disregard the above advice, but they are either employed or don't need to be.
Nice job sliding the anti-firearm propaganda in there, but don't forget that firearm ownership happens to be very common in "wholesome" parts of the country where crime is rare and weapons are treated with respect. The military participation thing is not only historically "normal", but considered to be self-sacrifice (the marketing of particular wars IS a separate issue!).
Kids today are understanding that it makes sense to cover your own ass. Being an empathetic emo doesn't do that, and never did. Some of us are ancient enough to remember times before universal emophilia (hey, I coined a word!) and aren't nostalgic FOR emophilia. In tough times, get tough.
DON"T bring back the Boers. It would just be an excuse to blame White Folks for the choices locals make.
There is no utilitarian reason for one not South African to care what happens to the place. It bears relentless reminding that the locals don't give a shit what foreigners think nor have they reason to.
South Africa belongs to SOUTH AFRICANS, not me, not you (unless you ARE one), not Slashdot. If they wreck it, that's their choice. All cultures are equal, so the PC thing to do is cheer.
All true, which is why those free of religion should be careful of the mob (and feel free to manipulate it, since the mob are immune to logic). Any action to route around the damage of superstition is acceptable, there being no obligation to madmen.
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"No, he's saying you would be an intelligent, well educated individual if you didn't make broad generalizations like "they" want to take away your freedoms."
When "they" are devout Muslims, that is precisely what they are commanded to do as a collateral effect of establishing a Muslim state. Islam demands submission, it does not preach freedom, end of fucking story. Anyone asserting otherwise is either malicious or delusional.
Go visit Muslim lands, and note that the more devout, the less "free" (in the Western, secular sense) they are.
Been there (on friendly terms, I have social skills and get on smoothly, (ask me about my canned fake anti-Zionism rant), done that, still have some of the T-shirts. Islam and personal freedom don't go together. The best effort to play that game was by a gentleman named Ataturk, and it requires a secular military willing to kill local Jihadists to make it barely work. The jury is out on how long that will last.
There being no God, religion must promptly devolve into idolatry even it pretends otherwise.
"Keep playing the victim card good sir."
"Anything we aren't doing at the moment doesn't count! (Neither do over a BILLION dollars in pedo damage payouts.)
We are always "all better now" and nothing prior to the future matters."
That wouldn't be worse, in terms of the long-term cultural struggle. Islam is Pan-Arabist at the core, which is an ETHNIC distinction (not everything is RACE, kids! Know the difference!) It is an ethnic and cultural war machine, as are most religions. Choose a side, there is no opt-out.
Before modern PC beliefs, it should be noted that great (in the sense of "large", not "glorious") struggles entail awkward methods, brutality, and lots of innocent casualties. Further, they cannot be waged any other way. This is unfortunate, but all great (in the sense of "influential", not "glorious") warfighters (Mohammed included!) understood this.
Had "innocent worship" been the over-riding concern, the Allies would not have won WWII. There is a time to take sides, and slay the other side until you win, because they are not more important than victory. If they are, kill yourself instead and save everyone else the bother.
Islam is such a durable religion because it uses effective methods to take and hold power. They route around tolerance the way Hitler routed around Weimar democracy (not all Nazi analogies are flawed).
In other words, they lost the social evolution battle to superior systems.
It would be delightful if they just butchered each other, but their petty squabbles affect those of us who are religion-free.
"I guess you would prefer the Muslim government option, where they don't have gay people at all?"
Fred Phelps takes all sorts of criticism, but mainstream Islam holds the same view of homosexuals. Their God Hates Fags and they aren't shy about it!
Western non-Muslims make a very stupid mistake in assuming that "Muslims are just like us, but worship the same God differently".
They dearly want this to be so, for it to be different would fuck with THEIR ideology.
Muslims don't belong in the US, and since the law won't solve the problem individual initiatives take place. If Islam is the truth, there should be no need for Muslims to degrade themselves by living here. Move to Saudi Arabia, etc, and wallow instead of trying to spread contagion here.
They need to GTFO back to their desert. I've been there and have seen the inevitable end result of Islam. It would be worth genocide if necessary to contain it. Islam is an implacable enemy of every other belief. The few tolerant Muslims are accessories and don't matter, nor do the utterly delusional variety that play ball with our side.
Playing by the rules that the enemy has already completely exploited is not more important than cultural self-defense.
Pretty much on-target, and why an Indo-Pak nuclear war would be a beautiful thing. (India has the resources to recover, and the people to put boots on the ground to finish off their enemy Pakistan.)
Nuremburg conditioned the world to believe there are no bad religions (as if someone trying to kill you indicated virtue).
There can be bad political beliefs, but it is taboo to understand that superstition IS a political belief. Most superstitionists buy in to the lie because to admit it is embarrassing.
Godwin time:
"Nazism isn't bad, but there are bad Nazis." Ridiculous except to apologists.
Islam is in many ways, particularly womens rights, worse than either Nazism or Stalinism or Maoism, but it is Flamebait to criticize religion.
WHY should anyone respect superstition? I don't.
The thing to do is prepare for war while pretending something else, build alliances with modern, logical governments (China, etc) and wait for opportunity. Agitate against Islam as you would any other toxic nonsense, and rely on the Jihadists to react badly. RELIGIONISTS CAN BE MANIPULATED BY THE DICTATES OF THEIR SUPERSTITION. This is a permanent vulnerability, use it.
"It's like Facebook is an abusive husband, and y'all just keep going back again and again."
They really love me and the sex is great, you insensitive clod!
"Fortunately I had a backup of the registration emails. "
Well done, and a step many would overlook.
"Psychologists call this "systematic desensitization" when it's used for phobias and other irational fears."
A fine idea, since all religion is irrational.
"Or, do we just start killing them? I think that is going to be a major test of *our* so called civilization."
We join with anyone available and cut any deals to fight back, just as during WWII. (Hugs Commies, who had the right idea about what to do with religionists!).
IMO the "terrorists" are less a threat than Islam itself. Our new rules of engagement exclude fighting enemies who don't kill lots of us, so that's the sort we need.
"Unfortunately, this probably doesn't make for as exciting news as yet-another-theocracy-bans-facebook."
Because the non-Fundies will lose as usual.
"The point of the ban is to try and force non-muslims to accept Muslim rules."
Precisely. That is really the way most religions work.
Mockery is the best response to religion. Let them unplug themselves.
When you haven't ruthlessly focused your education on acquiring a variety of JOB skills that, along with hobbies that help make you employable, expect not to be employed. Your elders made the mistake of telling you is "do your own thing" without warning you that choices have consequences. Your school, like many, may have been more focused on SELLING a degree than fitting clients for work.
What did you study?
I took my lessons from MY elders, the Depression babies who had to scrabble. Life is a shit sandwich, and the more bread you have the less shit you taste. Education is for making MONEY, because without MONEY, you have fewer choices. Hobbies and recreational education are for fun, but don't typically pay the rent. If you can't get a job that fits your education, do any damn thing you have to. Consider skilled trades (I've never met a mechanic who couldn't make a living) instead of pushing paper. (Come to think of it, that's one area where some of your elders screwed you by discouraging manual labor. Mechanics and weldors, for example, can make serious money and are highly mobile.)
Unique and special snowflakes may disregard the above advice, but they are either employed or don't need to be.
Nice job sliding the anti-firearm propaganda in there, but don't forget that firearm ownership happens to be very common in "wholesome" parts of the country where crime is rare and weapons are treated with respect. The military participation thing is not only historically "normal", but considered to be self-sacrifice (the marketing of particular wars IS a separate issue!).
Kids today are understanding that it makes sense to cover your own ass. Being an empathetic emo doesn't do that, and never did. Some of us are ancient enough to remember times before universal emophilia (hey, I coined a word!) and aren't nostalgic FOR emophilia. In tough times, get tough.
DON"T bring back the Boers. It would just be an excuse to blame White Folks for the choices locals make.
There is no utilitarian reason for one not South African to care what happens to the place. It bears relentless reminding that the locals don't give a shit what foreigners think nor have they reason to.
South Africa belongs to SOUTH AFRICANS, not me, not you (unless you ARE one), not Slashdot. If they wreck it, that's their choice. All cultures are equal, so the PC thing to do is cheer.
"Ban it so I won't be tempted into the darkside"
If thine eye offend thee, have the balls to pluck it out. You won't need it in Paradise.
Religion is superstition, therefore assholery.
Practice is what matters in superstition, not theory.
"It's the believers, my nonsense is LOVE!" is bullshit. RTFBs about all the bloodthirsty stuff that is encouraged or condoned.
No one not religious defends religion. Declare YOUR religion, as a matter of integrity, so we can see what you are selling.
All true, which is why those free of religion should be careful of the mob (and feel free to manipulate it, since the mob are immune to logic).
Any action to route around the damage of superstition is acceptable, there being no obligation to madmen.