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Having worked as a hired hand in my youth, and my father working in a grain elevator for >20 years. I can say with complete certainty, farmers do grow their own wheat seed for next year. Normally keep a few truckloads off to the side, pay the elevator to get it cleaned properly (removing as much of the impurities as possible). True, they don't do it for tens of years on end, but saying they do it every year or every other year is very much a false statement.
In todays grain market there is no way that a single family farmer could buy grain every year, he would be out of money in very short time.
The reason why they "yanked" the IA-32 line was because they were all OEM'd VA-linux systems. VA-Linux doesn't produce them anymore and the margins weren't there on the IA-32 line to try and find another provider (making 10 bucks per system wasn't making it worth while).
I think the 8500 is the only card that currently has the ability for component out (supposedly a $40 cable out next year) which is pretty much the performance equivalent to HDTV, since that is how you hook up your HDTV converter to your TV.
I would take the stance that if your website is cracked then more often than not you are *partially* to blame. It's not completely the website maintainers fault, someone broke into the website and they also should carry blame and the larger brunt of it.
Prosecuting is the only way to start changing the attitude that it is morally OK to do this. Only thing is that most of the time I don't believe they should be thrown into jail, but punishment needs to be dolled out to the offender who broke into the website. The most appropriate, in my mind would be fines levied against the parents nothing like tens of thousands of dollars, but something appropriate enough to get the parents involved in their childs life, throw in some probation & community service. Those out of their parents care should be delt with the same way, a reasonable fine (except of course they pay it), probation & community service.
Any additional fees should be done in a civil court, a simple break-in can get very expensive, someone told me that they brought in the Wheel group at $60,000 for 3 days to make sure other systems were not compromised (can you be *sure* they didn't do anything else in your system). Civil court (in my opinion) is more apt to deal with whether or not the moneys spent was appropriate for the situation, since that is the only issue they are dealing with, and tend to look at whether or not the reparations requested are *truely* appropriate for the situation.
Why is this a different situation? Like you said Cobol is very, very good at what it does for specific applications, why can't something else be very, very good for another application. Instead of trying to force everything in to Java/C/Cobol/Snobol/Pascal/etc if it works really good than use it, especially so if people have written opensource tools for it.
And not to rain on the parade too much but all your closed, proprietary, statements could also be stated by the Java holders Sun.
Imagine what a pain it would be if the Samba developers had decided to not make clones of windows file sharing utility, and everyone had to run PC-NFS.
Actually I'm not a Republican, but you are blinded by your one true GOD (i.e. the Democratic party) views that you can't have any kind of sensible conversation...
So what you're saying it's OK to lie to questions that might be negative? Hmmm that's a real easy way to make all problems go away, Somalia... I never knew about it, I was out golfing... I did not know that we had any dealing in Somalia.
Now what Clinton should have said is "that yes I have had relations with my intern, and it's not illegal for me to do so". And then let the issue drop by the wayside, instead of getting on nationaly TV and lieing directly to my face, hell lie in court and face purgery but DO NOT go on national TV and make a statement to all American people that is a complete and blatent lie.
And to apeasy your true GOD belief... any Democrat good... anybody else (Libertarian, Republican, Independant) is evil. Let's reelect Gary Condit for Congress, he's a Democrat he can do no wrong.
I don't really give a shit whether or not he was boinking the old intern, but when he comes out on national TV and lies directly to every single American citizen... well that's where I take offence. Go around fucking dogs for all I give a shit, but don't fucking lie to my face...
On the indictment releaser by the DOJ list the places that they physically host their servers in the US where someone in California acquired all of the software from Elcomsoft completely within the US.
There are mutliple things to blame here:
Elcomsoft for actually doing their transactions within the US.
Clinton & Congress for passing the DMCA
but you hit the head on really who's to blame, Adobe. But, the one group who I'd really not put any blame on is the DOJ. The law was technically violated, Adobe called up the DOJ and essentially forced them to hall him in (the law was technically violated, and that's their job). The reason why Adobe probably first called for a criminal case, was to prevent him from leaving the US, so they could procede with a civil suit against him (kinda twisting & perverting the law to their own use). Adobe saw what a bad publicity wreck they made and tried to sweep it under the rug, only problem is once the DOJ has filed against you, you gotta go through the entire process (painful as it may be, it keeps corporations & powerful people from being able to try and circumvent the law with powerful friends).
I personally think that the DMCA paints with too broad of a brush, but when people complain without having the proper facts it hurts everyone else who is trying to change things, since the same groups of people are stating two different things. If the people on the same side trying to fight the law can't get things straight then both sides tend to lose credibility. Which is why I was a bit curt with you earlier.
You have it so wrong, please actually think about the facts before spouting off, like some brainless slashdroid. Using your analogy it would properly be stated like this...
An American gun maker/seller being arrested in
Japan for making guns in the US & selling them in Japan.
If his dumbass company would not have had their servers located in the US, it would not be an issue, but because the servers were physically located in the US, it is breaking the law *IN THE US* (download from Chicago, and the credit card transactions occur from a town in Washington, both IN THE US). That's what all the mindless droids don't get, it's not that it was created in Russia and somehow we are locking up people who do things legal in their home country when they come to the US. As long as they don't do their shit *in the US* then we don't do shit (and looking over history we haven't done anything until they physically bring it to the US). This was the entire point of Sealand (Havenco) do your shit in their country where just about anything is legal and other countries can't touch you, because your doing transactions physically in another country.
Sheesh, sometimes people really need a cluestick to the head.
Getright does make multiple connections to multiple servers... checkout http://www.getright.com/fastest.html under the "Segmented (Accelerated) Download" header, it talks about this exact feature, and talking to multpile hosts.
Maybe you have it configure to allways make multiple connections. I've never used the software so I don't know if there is such a setting. (only other reason I could see for this, is for sites that have a per-connection bandwidth set, you could then get around the admin settings).
The splitting is really meant for multiple ftp servers presenting the same file, not for going to the same one webserver multiple times... like this:
Your box A sits on a T3
Ftp server B sits on a T1
Ftp server C sits on a different T1
Ftp server D sits on another different T1
The next three processes occur at the same time:
box A ftp's to server A starts request (getting first 1/3)
box B ftp's to server B issues a reget a third of the way into the file (getting middle 1/3)
box C ftp's to server C issues a reget two-thirds of the way into the file (getting last 1/3)
Maximum bandwidth from any one site is a single T1, you are then able to download the file at 3xT1 (~4.5mb). More often than not, with broadband it's not the end user who's got a bottleneck, but the end site who's got a T1, but has 1000 other people requesting files at the same time.
If you go back a few months (ok more than a few), on the case where the writers sued NY Times, etc. that digital is different than print media. Since it is different, they should then have an additional contract covering just that type of distribution (which to me seems insane, when they signed that paper years ago, before the Internet they believed at that time they were giving up all their rights to the publisher).
It's one thing to try and get their hand into the pot of internet money (that has since dried up), but the precedent they sent, really bothers me... Are we going to have to treat every single thing differently now, when the next big thing comes out , and the next one after that and so on... It's almost like we have to have a contract for:
carved in stone, carved in wood, burned into wood, presented on white paper, presented on off-white paper, presented in html, presented in ascii, presented in ebsdic, base 16... it just seems crazy to me.
Ever heard of Trusted Irix/Solaris they will run circles around Linux in it's privilege model. Linux is a toy made out of swiss cheese compared to them in that respect.
Where are the ACL's for Linux?
Where is the standardized MAC?
Capabilities?
Look at the number of root level security bugs in the Linux *KERNEL* as of late, that alone scared me off using Linux with anything secure (your little OpenBSD dig was a big troll tip off). The way Linux distrobutions have traditionally worked, is to fix things quickly. Fine, that's great no problem, only problem is that they aren't doing anything to ever prevent them from getting in, in the first place. It's a never ending cycle, since they change code constantly (release early/often) and don't do crap worth of auditing. Linux would someday be as secure as OpenBSD if they ever took the time to look through their code as they are furiously typing it out; but instead they are constantly adding new security bugs in, and their only saving grace is that they fix their bugs quickly... How about trying to prevent the security problems from getting there to begin with??? The security focus link above shows this much more elloquently than I ever could, look at how close Linux distros are to Windows (Redhat has had *MORE* than any Windows distro this year alone, that tells a very large tale).
According to the Honeyproject a basic Linux install on the internet has 1 day before it is rooted (shortest time was 15 minutes before it was rooted).
The OS is the probably least important issue in security, the biggest factor is if you have an admin who knows his shit. The reason that Linux boxes are rooted so much more often than other unix systems (for some reason you allude that OpenBSD gets rooted more often than Linux, which is completely insane), is that they have a large amount of admins who don't know crap on setting a box up properly. They slap the CD's in and let it sit, no hardening, no nothing which is a problem on any OS.
Umm... you do realize that the same person (Marc Andreeson) wrote NCSA's Mosaic and Netscape. I'd hardly call that an exloitation, but more like a ver 2.0
Irix is what I cut my teeth my teeth on... still love it over about anything else, too bad you can't get squat for 3rd party apps anymore. SGI does such a nice design with their stuff, hit the power once and it tries to do a graceful shutdown, hit it twice and it powers off without doing the shutdown, I'd love for Sun to do the same sometime, makes datacenter life much easier.
A note for you, just doing a reboot is not cool on all operating systems Sun being one of them. Using reboot on Solaris does sync the filesystem but it does *not* go through the rc0 shutdown scripts, a big one that this affects are Oracle databases (or pretty much any db). If you don't shut it down nicely you will have issues and the dba's will be calling. Along with any other programs that need to cleanup their data. A much better one to use is "init 6" which does go through the proper shutdown scripts and will bring the system backup to it's default init level. Of course you only need it if you want to come back to the dark side and be an SA again.
I'm an SE so I get to play & design all I want, but don't have to deal with any lusers (only real user stuff I deal with are the actual SA's which we are a last level of support for when they can't figure out to get it done).
It's still illegal for Yahoo France to be used for Nazi items. It's still illegal to sell the cracking software in the US. If they would have just had the servers located in Russia, it would be a non-issue; but because they had their servers located in the US, they were then doing commerce *in* the US which was just plain stupid on their part, since everything then falls under US law. That is how Sealand is *supposedly* getting around legal issues, they are their own country, you put your servers in their country, then you are doing commerce in their country so any other country can't go in and legally shut you down.
Correction of your correction: XFS *does* have full data journaling, mount with option "wsync". It's called syncronous writes, and kills your performance just like it does with ext3.
I was incorrect in stating that ext3 ordered mode is not journaled, but again due to the syncronous data writes; you have the same issue where you take a big performance hit due to the *long* amount of time it takes to have the disk spin to the place it needs to. Not only that, but you lose all the benefit of being able to stack multiple transactions together before it gets out to the drive (people are amazed at what command tag queueing can do), along with all the other benefits of letting the OS flush things out when needed.
You might want to check out the XFS mailing list back around July 5. It appears that you can do this with pretty much any filesystem, only you do it through loopback mode (essentially the fs is not encrypted but the block device is). It does involve some ugly kernel patches that probably won't be getting near a stable kernel anywhere in the near future; but you could do it.
The only way to guarantee that things do or don't get out to a drive is to run in a fully sync'd with the cache on the drive disabled. I do know that I can run in fully synchronous mode on XFS and I can guarantee that the write got out, but then your are throwing away all of your system cache and your system will be bogged to hell and back. Ext3 ordered mode is faster than XFS, Reiser, etc. because it essentially doesn't do journaling anymore (whereas the others, would write to the journal and then write the data out before the commit is done). When you really start to do any mildly heavy I/O this mode pukes over itself, since it requires all the data to get written to the drive before the transaction is considered commited. When you use either ordered or full data-journaled on ext3 you throw out all of your filesystem cache, and you better turn off the cache on your drive.
A word of advice, *never* leave your drive cache on with ordered, turn off the power to the drive, and all those "supposedly commited writes that have been guaranteed to get out the drive are not there. Now you are completely screwed, you have to a *full* fsck of the entire fs, since ordered mode isn't journaled. If you are running in "data-journalling" mode on ext3 you do get the journal, and it still blocks the transaction until it gets written to disk, but it also has a journal meaning you get the 2 write hit just like XFS, Reiser, etc running in synchronous mode.
So unless you are willing to take a performance hit ext3 gains you nothing over XFS, Reiser, JFS even then depending upon what you are doing it may be faster to run in full synchronous journal (on any one of them) with drive cache turned on making the ordered mode performance benefit nill. Any FS can guarantee that data will get out to the drive, I doubt any serious server will ever want to run that way. If you can safely assume that your system will stay up, ext3 performance in writeback sucks rocks compared to pretty much all the others. So the only benefit I see to ext3 (and admittedly it is a fairly significant one) is the ability to go from ext2 to ext3 without any data migration required.
I don't think people are bashing the free stuff, but more along the lines of giving it the same type of scrutiny that everything else is given. Honestly if people can't take any criticism at all, you better crawl into a hole, because the *real* world is a scary place.
There is a famous mantra, all programs suck, some more than others (I'm replacing the original word OS's with programs, cause it still fits perfectly). That goes for closed, open, free, expensive everything; all programs suck, and being able to openly talk about deficiencies in them is the only way to make them suck less. It strikes me as rather two faced complaining about "people bashing free software", when just before that *you* bashed other software, for the same legitimate reasons others supposedly "bashed" free software. Again all programs suck, being critical of them makes them suck less.
Why shudder, works sweet on my Irix boxes and not too shabby on our Sequent cluster.
Sgi actually has a 64 node (128 proc) numa working on their Origin Mips line, you might want to checkout http://oss.sgi.com/projects/numa/ I think SGI is looking at the way leading this charge, and as long as SGI can stay alive long enough they'll have a good implementation. There's one thing I can say about SGI, they're scalable NUMA tech is almost beyond reproach (too bad I can't get squat for 3rd party Irix apps).
Here's the link to SGI's cat cpuinfo of their 128 proc Linux numa system running
http://oss.sgi.com/projects/LinuxScalability/dow nl oad/mips128.out
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Having worked as a hired hand in my youth, and my father working in a grain elevator for >20 years. I can say with complete certainty, farmers do grow their own wheat seed for next year. Normally keep a few truckloads off to the side, pay the elevator to get it cleaned properly (removing as much of the impurities as possible). True, they don't do it for tens of years on end, but saying they do it every year or every other year is very much a false statement.
In todays grain market there is no way that a single family farmer could buy grain every year, he would be out of money in very short time.
The reason why they "yanked" the IA-32 line was because they were all OEM'd VA-linux systems. VA-Linux doesn't produce them anymore and the margins weren't there on the IA-32 line to try and find another provider (making 10 bucks per system wasn't making it worth while).
I think the 8500 is the only card that currently has the ability for component out (supposedly a $40 cable out next year) which is pretty much the performance equivalent to HDTV, since that is how you hook up your HDTV converter to your TV.
I would take the stance that if your website is cracked then more often than not you are *partially* to blame. It's not completely the website maintainers fault, someone broke into the website and they also should carry blame and the larger brunt of it.
Prosecuting is the only way to start changing the attitude that it is morally OK to do this. Only thing is that most of the time I don't believe they should be thrown into jail, but punishment needs to be dolled out to the offender who broke into the website. The most appropriate, in my mind would be fines levied against the parents nothing like tens of thousands of dollars, but something appropriate enough to get the parents involved in their childs life, throw in some probation & community service. Those out of their parents care should be delt with the same way, a reasonable fine (except of course they pay it), probation & community service.
Any additional fees should be done in a civil court, a simple break-in can get very expensive, someone told me that they brought in the Wheel group at $60,000 for 3 days to make sure other systems were not compromised (can you be *sure* they didn't do anything else in your system). Civil court (in my opinion) is more apt to deal with whether or not the moneys spent was appropriate for the situation, since that is the only issue they are dealing with, and tend to look at whether or not the reparations requested are *truely* appropriate for the situation.
Why is this a different situation? Like you said Cobol is very, very good at what it does for specific applications, why can't something else be very, very good for another application. Instead of trying to force everything in to Java/C/Cobol/Snobol/Pascal/etc if it works really good than use it, especially so if people have written opensource tools for it.
And not to rain on the parade too much but all your closed, proprietary, statements could also be stated by the Java holders Sun.
Imagine what a pain it would be if the Samba developers had decided to not make clones of windows file sharing utility, and everyone had to run PC-NFS.
Slashdot ate my "insert other language here" statement. You bastards...
Oh and Kenny's dead too.
With that type of attitude, the words could be said..
Do we really need C++ (or ) why not create better Cobol sollutions instead?
Actually I'm not a Republican, but you are blinded by your one true GOD (i.e. the Democratic party) views that you can't have any kind of sensible conversation...
So what you're saying it's OK to lie to questions that might be negative? Hmmm that's a real easy way to make all problems go away, Somalia... I never knew about it, I was out golfing... I did not know that we had any dealing in Somalia.
Now what Clinton should have said is "that yes I have had relations with my intern, and it's not illegal for me to do so". And then let the issue drop by the wayside, instead of getting on nationaly TV and lieing directly to my face, hell lie in court and face purgery but DO NOT go on national TV and make a statement to all American people that is a complete and blatent lie.
And to apeasy your true GOD belief... any Democrat good... anybody else (Libertarian, Republican, Independant) is evil. Let's reelect Gary Condit for Congress, he's a Democrat he can do no wrong.
Hmmm...
I did not have sexual relations with that woman
I don't really give a shit whether or not he was boinking the old intern, but when he comes out on national TV and lies directly to every single American citizen... well that's where I take offence. Go around fucking dogs for all I give a shit, but don't fucking lie to my face...
On the indictment releaser by the DOJ list the places that they physically host their servers in the US where someone in California acquired all of the software from Elcomsoft completely within the US.
e ts /2001_08_28_sklyarov_ind.pdf
Page 2 Lines 26-28 & Page 3 Lines 1-4
Page 4 line 1-2
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/can/press/assets/appl
There are mutliple things to blame here:
Elcomsoft for actually doing their transactions within the US.
Clinton & Congress for passing the DMCA
but you hit the head on really who's to blame, Adobe. But, the one group who I'd really not put any blame on is the DOJ. The law was technically violated, Adobe called up the DOJ and essentially forced them to hall him in (the law was technically violated, and that's their job). The reason why Adobe probably first called for a criminal case, was to prevent him from leaving the US, so they could procede with a civil suit against him (kinda twisting & perverting the law to their own use). Adobe saw what a bad publicity wreck they made and tried to sweep it under the rug, only problem is once the DOJ has filed against you, you gotta go through the entire process (painful as it may be, it keeps corporations & powerful people from being able to try and circumvent the law with powerful friends).
I personally think that the DMCA paints with too broad of a brush, but when people complain without having the proper facts it hurts everyone else who is trying to change things, since the same groups of people are stating two different things. If the people on the same side trying to fight the law can't get things straight then both sides tend to lose credibility. Which is why I was a bit curt with you earlier.
You have it so wrong, please actually think about the facts before spouting off, like some brainless slashdroid. Using your analogy it would properly be stated like this...
An American gun maker/seller being arrested in
Japan for making guns in the US & selling them in Japan.
If his dumbass company would not have had their servers located in the US, it would not be an issue, but because the servers were physically located in the US, it is breaking the law *IN THE US* (download from Chicago, and the credit card transactions occur from a town in Washington, both IN THE US). That's what all the mindless droids don't get, it's not that it was created in Russia and somehow we are locking up people who do things legal in their home country when they come to the US. As long as they don't do their shit *in the US* then we don't do shit (and looking over history we haven't done anything until they physically bring it to the US). This was the entire point of Sealand (Havenco) do your shit in their country where just about anything is legal and other countries can't touch you, because your doing transactions physically in another country.
Sheesh, sometimes people really need a cluestick to the head.
Getright does make multiple connections to multiple servers... checkout http://www.getright.com/fastest.html under the "Segmented (Accelerated) Download" header, it talks about this exact feature, and talking to multpile hosts.
Maybe you have it configure to allways make multiple connections. I've never used the software so I don't know if there is such a setting. (only other reason I could see for this, is for sites that have a per-connection bandwidth set, you could then get around the admin settings).
The splitting is really meant for multiple ftp servers presenting the same file, not for going to the same one webserver multiple times... like this:
Your box A sits on a T3
Ftp server B sits on a T1
Ftp server C sits on a different T1
Ftp server D sits on another different T1
The next three processes occur at the same time:
box A ftp's to server A starts request (getting first 1/3)
box B ftp's to server B issues a reget a third of the way into the file (getting middle 1/3)
box C ftp's to server C issues a reget two-thirds of the way into the file (getting last 1/3)
Maximum bandwidth from any one site is a single T1, you are then able to download the file at 3xT1 (~4.5mb). More often than not, with broadband it's not the end user who's got a bottleneck, but the end site who's got a T1, but has 1000 other people requesting files at the same time.
If you go back a few months (ok more than a few), on the case where the writers sued NY Times, etc. that digital is different than print media. Since it is different, they should then have an additional contract covering just that type of distribution (which to me seems insane, when they signed that paper years ago, before the Internet they believed at that time they were giving up all their rights to the publisher).
It's one thing to try and get their hand into the pot of internet money (that has since dried up), but the precedent they sent, really bothers me... Are we going to have to treat every single thing differently now, when the next big thing comes out , and the next one after that and so on... It's almost like we have to have a contract for:
carved in stone, carved in wood, burned into wood, presented on white paper, presented on off-white paper, presented in html, presented in ascii, presented in ebsdic, base 16... it just seems crazy to me.
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This post by you http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=23574&cid=254
Your Linux box has had to be rebuilt 3 times due to being exploited? Hmmm... sounds like Linux is great and real secure for you.
I guess that sound I heard was you flip flopping back and forth.
Oh dear god, shut up you FUD stuffing troll!
(here's a little rant, I'll feed the troll)
http://www.securityfocus.org/vulns/stats.shtml
Ever heard of Trusted Irix/Solaris they will run circles around Linux in it's privilege model. Linux is a toy made out of swiss cheese compared to them in that respect.
Where are the ACL's for Linux?
Where is the standardized MAC?
Capabilities?
Look at the number of root level security bugs in the Linux *KERNEL* as of late, that alone scared me off using Linux with anything secure (your little OpenBSD dig was a big troll tip off). The way Linux distrobutions have traditionally worked, is to fix things quickly. Fine, that's great no problem, only problem is that they aren't doing anything to ever prevent them from getting in, in the first place. It's a never ending cycle, since they change code constantly (release early/often) and don't do crap worth of auditing. Linux would someday be as secure as OpenBSD if they ever took the time to look through their code as they are furiously typing it out; but instead they are constantly adding new security bugs in, and their only saving grace is that they fix their bugs quickly... How about trying to prevent the security problems from getting there to begin with??? The security focus link above shows this much more elloquently than I ever could, look at how close Linux distros are to Windows (Redhat has had *MORE* than any Windows distro this year alone, that tells a very large tale).
According to the Honeyproject a basic Linux install on the internet has 1 day before it is rooted (shortest time was 15 minutes before it was rooted).
The OS is the probably least important issue in security, the biggest factor is if you have an admin who knows his shit. The reason that Linux boxes are rooted so much more often than other unix systems (for some reason you allude that OpenBSD gets rooted more often than Linux, which is completely insane), is that they have a large amount of admins who don't know crap on setting a box up properly. They slap the CD's in and let it sit, no hardening, no nothing which is a problem on any OS.
Umm... you do realize that the same person (Marc Andreeson) wrote NCSA's Mosaic and Netscape. I'd hardly call that an exloitation, but more like a ver 2.0
Irix is what I cut my teeth my teeth on... still love it over about anything else, too bad you can't get squat for 3rd party apps anymore. SGI does such a nice design with their stuff, hit the power once and it tries to do a graceful shutdown, hit it twice and it powers off without doing the shutdown, I'd love for Sun to do the same sometime, makes datacenter life much easier.
A note for you, just doing a reboot is not cool on all operating systems Sun being one of them. Using reboot on Solaris does sync the filesystem but it does *not* go through the rc0 shutdown scripts, a big one that this affects are Oracle databases (or pretty much any db). If you don't shut it down nicely you will have issues and the dba's will be calling. Along with any other programs that need to cleanup their data. A much better one to use is "init 6" which does go through the proper shutdown scripts and will bring the system backup to it's default init level. Of course you only need it if you want to come back to the dark side and be an SA again.
I'm an SE so I get to play & design all I want, but don't have to deal with any lusers (only real user stuff I deal with are the actual SA's which we are a last level of support for when they can't figure out to get it done).
It's still illegal for Yahoo France to be used for Nazi items. It's still illegal to sell the cracking software in the US. If they would have just had the servers located in Russia, it would be a non-issue; but because they had their servers located in the US, they were then doing commerce *in* the US which was just plain stupid on their part, since everything then falls under US law. That is how Sealand is *supposedly* getting around legal issues, they are their own country, you put your servers in their country, then you are doing commerce in their country so any other country can't go in and legally shut you down.
Correction of your correction: XFS *does* have full data journaling, mount with option "wsync". It's called syncronous writes, and kills your performance just like it does with ext3.
I was incorrect in stating that ext3 ordered mode is not journaled, but again due to the syncronous data writes; you have the same issue where you take a big performance hit due to the *long* amount of time it takes to have the disk spin to the place it needs to. Not only that, but you lose all the benefit of being able to stack multiple transactions together before it gets out to the drive (people are amazed at what command tag queueing can do), along with all the other benefits of letting the OS flush things out when needed.
You might want to check out the XFS mailing list back around July 5. It appears that you can do this with pretty much any filesystem, only you do it through loopback mode (essentially the fs is not encrypted but the block device is). It does involve some ugly kernel patches that probably won't be getting near a stable kernel anywhere in the near future; but you could do it.
You are over exagerating some things here.
The only way to guarantee that things do or don't get out to a drive is to run in a fully sync'd with the cache on the drive disabled. I do know that I can run in fully synchronous mode on XFS and I can guarantee that the write got out, but then your are throwing away all of your system cache and your system will be bogged to hell and back. Ext3 ordered mode is faster than XFS, Reiser, etc. because it essentially doesn't do journaling anymore (whereas the others, would write to the journal and then write the data out before the commit is done). When you really start to do any mildly heavy I/O this mode pukes over itself, since it requires all the data to get written to the drive before the transaction is considered commited. When you use either ordered or full data-journaled on ext3 you throw out all of your filesystem cache, and you better turn off the cache on your drive.
A word of advice, *never* leave your drive cache on with ordered, turn off the power to the drive, and all those "supposedly commited writes that have been guaranteed to get out the drive are not there. Now you are completely screwed, you have to a *full* fsck of the entire fs, since ordered mode isn't journaled. If you are running in "data-journalling" mode on ext3 you do get the journal, and it still blocks the transaction until it gets written to disk, but it also has a journal meaning you get the 2 write hit just like XFS, Reiser, etc running in synchronous mode.
So unless you are willing to take a performance hit ext3 gains you nothing over XFS, Reiser, JFS even then depending upon what you are doing it may be faster to run in full synchronous journal (on any one of them) with drive cache turned on making the ordered mode performance benefit nill. Any FS can guarantee that data will get out to the drive, I doubt any serious server will ever want to run that way. If you can safely assume that your system will stay up, ext3 performance in writeback sucks rocks compared to pretty much all the others. So the only benefit I see to ext3 (and admittedly it is a fairly significant one) is the ability to go from ext2 to ext3 without any data migration required.
I don't think people are bashing the free stuff, but more along the lines of giving it the same type of scrutiny that everything else is given. Honestly if people can't take any criticism at all, you better crawl into a hole, because the *real* world is a scary place.
There is a famous mantra, all programs suck, some more than others (I'm replacing the original word OS's with programs, cause it still fits perfectly). That goes for closed, open, free, expensive everything; all programs suck, and being able to openly talk about deficiencies in them is the only way to make them suck less. It strikes me as rather two faced complaining about "people bashing free software", when just before that *you* bashed other software, for the same legitimate reasons others supposedly "bashed" free software. Again all programs suck, being critical of them makes them suck less.
Why shudder, works sweet on my Irix boxes and not too shabby on our Sequent cluster.
w nl oad/mips128.out
Sgi actually has a 64 node (128 proc) numa working on their Origin Mips line, you might want to checkout http://oss.sgi.com/projects/numa/ I think SGI is looking at the way leading this charge, and as long as SGI can stay alive long enough they'll have a good implementation. There's one thing I can say about SGI, they're scalable NUMA tech is almost beyond reproach (too bad I can't get squat for 3rd party Irix apps).
Here's the link to SGI's cat cpuinfo of their 128 proc Linux numa system running
http://oss.sgi.com/projects/LinuxScalability/do