that's all well & nice in theory, but what happens when you simply don't have the funds to partake in ANY copywrited material? "well, then, i guess you just can't use any!" right, because luxuries are only for the rich. way to step on the poor.
I can't have 60" widescreen HDTV either. Way to step on the poor! Sony should give them out to everyone for free!
what about copywrited material from another country? their laws don't apply. they have absolutely/no/ right to enforce their laws on me. "think about the artists!"
those same artists whose labels are getting all the money from their album sales and lawsuits? i'll start thinking about the artists when i download music when the record labels start thinking about the artists when they sign them
another excuse I hear over and over. The artists choose to sign an agreement with a recording label. In any business agreement, you look at the contract you are signing. If it's unreasonable, they shouldn't be signing it. If you want to blame someone..blame the artist. They know what they are getting into. I have no sympathy.
if it was really a problem, most artists just wouldn't sign. However, they realize that they can get their music out to a much bigger audience with commerical support (and they don't have to worry about booking the next gig at a shitty bar or venue for pennies).
it reminds me of open source projects. The good ones realize they need the commerical support.
IP is something i am FORCED to live with, others use it to protect "their" IP, which in turn hurts me and limits my freedom....
no, it doesn't. IP was never your right to begin with, so it doesn't limit your freedom. Without IP protection, the cds/dvds might not have been released.
This is great for many reasons, for example, that the consumption of culture will increase, grass-root-level of distribution works good, and it makes it easier for good stuff to be noticed (piracy is some kind of counterweight to commercials for music). Also piracy enables everyone in the world to access the same content. Where I live, for instance, most tv-shows aired in US never reaches me the "classic way".
The IP laws don't need to change to have "grass-roots distribution". People can just as easily release new software, music, and movies, without any commerical support on the Internet. Commerical IP doesn't need to be noticed in this way. They have marketing and sales teams to do that for them.
But what you want is to have "grass roots distribution" of commerical-level IP. You want the IP that costs millions of dollars to create in a professional studio...for free.
In the end, I believe that the free flow of information is desired. Be it "copyrighted" information or other information, that does not matter. But the free flow is important
I don't consider music, movies, or software, "information".
Piracy (of copyrighted material) is just a natural defence to this IP crap and hence piracy is the good thing and its the IP laws that are bad and evil.
bad and evil? IP isn't something you are FORCED to use. If you don't agree with the licensing of a certain song, movie, or piece of software, DON'T USE IT!.
The natural defense to piracy is higher protection of IP and harsher laws. People like you feel that it's somehow your right to get other people's work for free, when in reality, it's just an excuse for your greediness.
BUT. Software patents are IMHO evil, Google just got one, therfore, Google did evil. I still like google, but if Microsoft patents are bad so are Google ones
If I had as much money as google and in the software business, I would be getting patents too. Otherwise, they might have to pay somebody else for something they have created. The FSF does something similar with the copyright laws.
Even though XP is "nice" I still think (along with many others) that Win2k was probably the "BEST" release M$ has even had. Everything else is simply more eye candy
True, duh. That's cause stores are selling objects. Music is not an object that can be picked up and carried off. (A CD is. But we're not talking about "stealing music" as in people stealing CDs. That's something else entirely.) Music and the software files that package it is incorporeal, can be duplicated indefinitely without harm to the original, and can be broadcast worldwide, using the existing digital infrastructure, without the cost of shipping or logistics management. Apples, meet oranges. Your point about the Steven King book was more germane, but again, books are not music. Books take hours to read and are rarely re-read once the reader is finished. Music is meant to be enjoyed many times, and the effort required by the listener is nil, whereas a book requires the reader's primary attention. Apples, meet pineapples. Do better
Did you even click the link provided? Try actually looking at it sometime before deciding you already know what it is
I don't have to. Your links provide me with all the proof I need. Take a look at the decrease in total revenue from 1999 until today. I was merely pointing out that this could be due to many different reasons. Some kid writing an article at harvard (or the media talking about it) doesn't make your case for "p2p doesn't hurt sales".
The RIAA is only there to make money. If P2P did nothing to hurt their sales, they would have no problems with it.
True, duh. That's cause stores are selling objects. Music is not an object that can be picked up and carried off. (A CD is. But we're not talking about "stealing music" as in people stealing CDs. That's something else entirely.) Music and the software files that package it is incorporeal, can be duplicated indefinitely without harm to the original, and can be broadcast worldwide, using the existing digital infrastructure, without the cost of shipping or logistics management. Apples, meet oranges. Your point about the Steven King book was more germane, but again, books are not music. Books take hours to read and are rarely re-read once the reader is finished. Music is meant to be enjoyed many times, and the effort required by the listener is nil, whereas a book requires the reader's primary attention. Apples, meet pineapples. Do better.
Dumbass meet facts. I was talking about the statement you made: "Regardless, I believe in the inherent goodness of most people and that people will pay for what they feel is worth their money". Now you seem to think that the goodness of most people is only there when:
1) they are online 2) they are only downloading music
(A CD is. But we're not talking about "stealing music" as in people stealing CDs. That's something else entirely.)
I know, we're just talking about devaluing it.
and the effort required by the listener is nil, whereas a book requires the reader's primary attention. Apples, meet pineapples. Do better
This is the dumbest fucking argument I've ever read. Im surprised you didn't sneak in the word draconian.
It's already been shown that the record industry is not losing money because of p2p
linking to a site called p2pnet.net doesn't really prove your point.
Also, they can speculate on why they are losing money, but one reason isn't any more correct than the other. I could easily say it is because of p2p. Most of the stats show that since 1999, the record industry has been steadily losing money each year. This was also the year p2p became popular with the general public.
Regardless, I believe in the inherent goodness of most people and that people will pay for what they feel is worth their money
You need to be introduced to the real world.
If this were the case, all stores would have all items for free with a place to send your money "if it was worth it" or the customer would have to return it. This doesn't happen because any store that did this would go out of business within the first week.
It's been proven time and time again that when given the choice of free or pay, people will choose free. Look at what happened a few years back when Stephen King released an internet only book and asked for donations. Most people didn't give him any money, but downloaded his book.
I wholeheartedly agree. They know you probably weren't gonna buy that tune you downloaded anyway. They know that tune might turn you on and get you to buy the artist's CDs (or not).
It really has to do with human nature. If I can get the same thing online for free that I can get in the store for $10 or $15, im going with the free route.
The RIAA wants control of music because they don't want people to be able to download it for free.
If they were smart, they would have bought out napster in its prime and sold all of their music online.
although I don't agree with their practices, I do think that p2p hurts the sales of the record industry. It doesn't steal directly from their pockets, but over time, it devalues the work of the artist.
Okay, here's how it goes, the majority of searches on the internet are done via google, therefore there is a massive incentive to comply with whatever google comes up with next, for anyone that ever wants their site to be seen. This is called leveraging a strong market position, and could border on a monopoly style abuse
google got this way because they are the best. If you want people to start using other search engines, you will either have to:
1) create a better one yourself (and get it more popular than google) or 2) tell people not to use google.
both are going to be difficult at this point.
google shouldn't be punished for being the best (which is the goal of any company)
In what way did Clinton's action have to do with the country? Nixon, Reagan, and GWB's action was about screwing over the country for their own personal gain. Clinton screwed a girl for his personal gain, but in what way was I affected? None, other than having an Inquisition go on.
He lied to the american public. It makes me question his credibility as a president.
Bush may have told us about WMDs, but it was only because his informants told him this info.
It's a defense because the lesser informed person has an inferiority complex
It sounds like someone is a little defensive.
it's not an inferiority complex. Most people don't give a fuck about how many security holes windows has or linux source code. If someone is being completly irritating and annoying about the information they know about a given subject, other people won't want to talk to them. It's human nature and it's a very difficult battle to fight.
Careful. There are those who think waging a war against a plant is ludicrous. Many (myself included) think it's silly to jail someone for the "crime" of moving some plants across an imaginary line. Not to mention a government that dictates what you are and aren't allowed to do with your own body, in the privacy of your own home (drugs, prostitution), or what games you're allowed to play with your own money (gambling).
I think society shouldn't have to pay for a person's problem either (drug abuse, alcohol abuse, gambling abuse)...but it happens anyway.
Runs a prison for "enemy combatants" (not civilians, but not military either) that has been accused by just about every neutral observer of being a gulag.
compared to other countries in the world, our prisons are like a hotel. Go look at a prison in China sometime, and tell me the U.S. prison is like a gulag. BTW. Sadaam is still alive. This would not have been the case in almost any other country in the world.
In light of Nixon, Reagan, and GWB, Somethings remain the same.
I think you can add clinton to that list as well. "I did not have sexual relations with that woman".
i don't know how the film industry works, but i know that most musicians make most of their money when they go on tour
yeah, it must work in the same way. Big directors/producerts/actors all go on tour together. This must be how they make all their money. It can't be on ticket or DVD sales.
unless of course you are an independent artist, who makes most of your money on T-shirt and CD sales. These are the people that get screwed over in the end.
it reminds me of the people that protest sweatshops and don't realize they are taking away jobs from people that need them to survive.
and your statement about the market value of a CD is irrelevant. $20 for a DVD/CD is what people are forced to pay now if they want to actually purchase a CD.
you mean..at gunpoint? You aren't forced to do anything. You choose to pay that much because you want to watch a movie or listen to a CD. If I think something is too expensive, I don't buy it. You should do the same.
just because people are willing to spend $100 on a pair of nikes doesn't make them worth $100, nor does it mean that nike would start losing money if they sold the same pair of shoes for less than $100. all it means is that the product is being marketted very well.
if nikes were $1,000, people couldn't afford them and they would lower their price (or go out of business).
Businesses can charge whatever they want for their products. If something costs them a penny to make and they want to sell it for $500, so be it. The market will determine if the price is fair or not.
selling CDs to the consumer at a lower price, say $6-7 for a CD would still cover the cost of the production and generate plenty of additional profit for the artists themselves.
I agree, CDs are too expensive. That's why I don't buy them anymore (if enough people were like me, they might actually lower the price). I get my daily fix of music on XM or the regular radio.
movies and music aren't expensive because of the cost of packaging. they're expensive because businesses are greedy. printing a single DVD and having it packaged only costs about $1-1.50 if you're manufacturing it in quantities of a few hundred at a time. hollywood and the major record labels can get this done at half of that cost i'm sure. getting rid of that process isn't going to save anyone much money. the music and film industries are just used to making a killing off of the consumers. and besides, you can't just cut out the distributors and retailers. a record label or film studio isn't going to just have movies/music for download on their websites and not push their product to other outlets. distributors and retailers are used in these industries because record labels or studios can sell them bulk quantities of their products instead of dealing with individual sales which are in the domain of retailers.
that's similar to talking about the cost of the paint and supplies of a famous piece of art as the total cost.
businesses are greedy, but consumers still pay the price. If people are willing to pay $20 for a DVD, that's the market value. If it was too high, consumers wouldn't be purchasing DVDs or CDs. (that's how a free market works)
Downloading it for free doesn't change this fact either, it just makes it worse.
Which is why I am saying please get your head out your ass and stop this madness before you get us all killed. North Korea is a nuclear power, you have NO RIGHT to risk destabilising the entire planet just because are in a lash-out frame of mind right now
and "coseyed up to" another dictator? Make up your mind.
and if North Korea starts nuking countries, we don't have to help out..right?
There is no need to ask, their goals are stated in every video message. Of course, the US government sees to it that these are censored on the grounds that there maybe be hidden messages/instructions in the video (lol), lest the public find out that they are being lied to. All you are allowed to see is a short piece of video, with a voice over designed in some way to increase your fear/hatred. Sort of like the 15 minues hate, if you are a fan of classic literature
tapes can be altered and the media can make you believe one thing or another. This does not tell you their actual thoughts/feelings on the matter.
But believing 'they hate freedom' is what keeps the likes of Bush in power.
no, the reason Bush is still in power was because his competition was a joke. I hope our next leader is liberal and it fucks up our country beyond recognition...to teach the liberals a lesson.
Hmm, taxes? That's the best you've got? V.A.T is a sales tax, sound familiar? It's 17.5%, I wonder what the equivalent tax is in your state...?
yeah, 6%. See the difference. (that was just one example).
I'm not condoning their actions, but the US public need to get their head out their arse sharpish. It's assholes like Rumsfeld and Cheeney who sucker up to the dictator types like Saddan and the Saudi Royal Family, and sell them weapons that they hate. Not freedom. Bin Laden's stated goal is to have the US withdraw troops from Saudi
to have a dictator take it over? I think we can thank sadaam for the troops we have in saudi.
And that comes back to freedom. See, you are practically living in an Orwellian state, when your administration lie so blatantly and invoke god in speaches, while the news media sit back and repeat the same crap verbaitm. Bush has repeativly said "they hate freedom", which is utter bullshit. You probably killed their wifes/daughters/zealot in the past and they are pissed at you. That's about it in a nutshell. About half of the US population think Saddam was behind 9.11! You think that's an accident? And you go on about how wonderful US "freedom" is?
Our president may talk about god, but does not force everyone to have his beliefs. That's what freedoms is all about.
Sadaam (or one of his sons) probably killed their wife/daughter/zealout. As stated before, they don't deserve freedom. They need to rot in the shithole Sadaam created for awhile and beg the U.S. for help.
And you go on about how wonderful US "freedom" is?
yes, I do.
Bush has repeativly said "they hate freedom", which is utter bullshit
have you been there to ask them? Why not take a poll? if not, then you are the one full of shit.
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Information is any pattern. Music and movies are just patterns. Data is information
physical things are just a pattern too..of atoms.
that's all well & nice in theory, but what happens when you simply don't have the funds to partake in ANY copywrited material?
/no/ right to enforce their laws on me.
"well, then, i guess you just can't use any!"
right, because luxuries are only for the rich. way to step on the poor.
I can't have 60" widescreen HDTV either. Way to step on the poor! Sony should give them out to everyone for free!
what about copywrited material from another country? their laws don't apply. they have absolutely
"think about the artists!"
those same artists whose labels are getting all the money from their album sales and lawsuits? i'll start thinking about the artists when i download music when the record labels start thinking about the artists when they sign them
another excuse I hear over and over. The artists choose to sign an agreement with a recording label. In any business agreement, you look at the contract you are signing. If it's unreasonable, they shouldn't be signing it. If you want to blame someone..blame the artist. They know what they are getting into. I have no sympathy.
if it was really a problem, most artists just wouldn't sign. However, they realize that they can get their music out to a much bigger audience with commerical support (and they don't have to worry about booking the next gig at a shitty bar or venue for pennies).
it reminds me of open source projects. The good ones realize they need the commerical support.
IP is something i am FORCED to live with, others use it to protect "their" IP, which in turn hurts me and limits my freedom.. ..
no, it doesn't. IP was never your right to begin with, so it doesn't limit your freedom. Without IP protection, the cds/dvds might not have been released.
This is great for many reasons, for example, that the consumption of culture will increase, grass-root-level of distribution works good, and it makes it easier for good stuff to be noticed (piracy is some kind of counterweight to commercials for music). Also piracy enables everyone in the world to access the same content. Where I live, for instance, most tv-shows aired in US never reaches me the "classic way".
The IP laws don't need to change to have "grass-roots distribution". People can just as easily release new software, music, and movies, without any commerical support on the Internet. Commerical IP doesn't need to be noticed in this way. They have marketing and sales teams to do that for them.
But what you want is to have "grass roots distribution" of commerical-level IP. You want the IP that costs millions of dollars to create in a professional studio...for free.
In the end, I believe that the free flow of information is desired. Be it "copyrighted" information or other information, that does not matter. But the free flow is important
I don't consider music, movies, or software, "information".
Piracy (of copyrighted material) is just a natural defence to this IP crap and hence piracy is the good thing and its the IP laws that are bad and evil.
bad and evil? IP isn't something you are FORCED to use. If you don't agree with the licensing of a certain song, movie, or piece of software, DON'T USE IT!.
The natural defense to piracy is higher protection of IP and harsher laws. People like you feel that it's somehow your right to get other people's work for free, when in reality, it's just an excuse for your greediness.
BUT. Software patents are IMHO evil, Google just got one, therfore, Google did evil. I still like google, but if Microsoft patents are bad so are Google ones
If I had as much money as google and in the software business, I would be getting patents too. Otherwise, they might have to pay somebody else for something they have created. The FSF does something similar with the copyright laws.
Even though XP is "nice" I still think (along with many others) that Win2k was probably the "BEST" release M$ has even had. Everything else is simply more eye candy
I think windows 2003 is even better.
True, duh. That's cause stores are selling objects. Music is not an object that can be picked up and carried off. (A CD is. But we're not talking about "stealing music" as in people stealing CDs. That's something else entirely.) Music and the software files that package it is incorporeal, can be duplicated indefinitely without harm to the original, and can be broadcast worldwide, using the existing digital infrastructure, without the cost of shipping or logistics management. Apples, meet oranges. Your point about the Steven King book was more germane, but again, books are not music. Books take hours to read and are rarely re-read once the reader is finished. Music is meant to be enjoyed many times, and the effort required by the listener is nil, whereas a book requires the reader's primary attention. Apples, meet pineapples. Do better
so was yours...oh wait.....
Did you even click the link provided? Try actually looking at it sometime before deciding you already know what it is
I don't have to. Your links provide me with all the proof I need. Take a look at the decrease in total revenue from 1999 until today. I was merely pointing out that this could be due to many different reasons. Some kid writing an article at harvard (or the media talking about it) doesn't make your case for "p2p doesn't hurt sales".
The RIAA is only there to make money. If P2P did nothing to hurt their sales, they would have no problems with it.
True, duh. That's cause stores are selling objects. Music is not an object that can be picked up and carried off. (A CD is. But we're not talking about "stealing music" as in people stealing CDs. That's something else entirely.) Music and the software files that package it is incorporeal, can be duplicated indefinitely without harm to the original, and can be broadcast worldwide, using the existing digital infrastructure, without the cost of shipping or logistics management. Apples, meet oranges. Your point about the Steven King book was more germane, but again, books are not music. Books take hours to read and are rarely re-read once the reader is finished. Music is meant to be enjoyed many times, and the effort required by the listener is nil, whereas a book requires the reader's primary attention. Apples, meet pineapples. Do better.
Dumbass meet facts. I was talking about the statement you made: "Regardless, I believe in the inherent goodness of most people and that people will pay for what they feel is worth their money". Now you seem to think that the goodness of most people is only there when:
1) they are online
2) they are only downloading music
(A CD is. But we're not talking about "stealing music" as in people stealing CDs. That's something else entirely.)
I know, we're just talking about devaluing it.
and the effort required by the listener is nil, whereas a book requires the reader's primary attention. Apples, meet pineapples. Do better
This is the dumbest fucking argument I've ever read. Im surprised you didn't sneak in the word draconian.
It's already been shown that the record industry is not losing money because of p2p
linking to a site called p2pnet.net doesn't really prove your point.
Also, they can speculate on why they are losing money, but one reason isn't any more correct than the other. I could easily say it is because of p2p. Most of the stats show that since 1999, the record industry has been steadily losing money each year. This was also the year p2p became popular with the general public.
Regardless, I believe in the inherent goodness of most people and that people will pay for what they feel is worth their money
You need to be introduced to the real world.
If this were the case, all stores would have all items for free with a place to send your money "if it was worth it" or the customer would have to return it. This doesn't happen because any store that did this would go out of business within the first week.
It's been proven time and time again that when given the choice of free or pay, people will choose free. Look at what happened a few years back when Stephen King released an internet only book and asked for donations. Most people didn't give him any money, but downloaded his book.
I wholeheartedly agree. They know you probably weren't gonna buy that tune you downloaded anyway. They know that tune might turn you on and get you to buy the artist's CDs (or not).
It really has to do with human nature. If I can get the same thing online for free that I can get in the store for $10 or $15, im going with the free route.
The RIAA wants control of music because they don't want people to be able to download it for free.
If they were smart, they would have bought out napster in its prime and sold all of their music online.
although I don't agree with their practices, I do think that p2p hurts the sales of the record industry. It doesn't steal directly from their pockets, but over time, it devalues the work of the artist.
Please Fox cancel the God damn show, we've got the Family Guy back again
are you kidding? the new family guys suck. If they don't get better episodes soon, it will get cancelled again.
Okay, here's how it goes, the majority of searches on the internet are done via google, therefore there is a massive incentive to comply with whatever google comes up with next, for anyone that ever wants their site to be seen. This is called leveraging a strong market position, and could border on a monopoly style abuse
google got this way because they are the best. If you want people to start using other search engines, you will either have to:
1) create a better one yourself (and get it more popular than google) or
2) tell people not to use google.
both are going to be difficult at this point.
google shouldn't be punished for being the best (which is the goal of any company)
So its not OK for Clinton to try to keep his personal life personal
not when he's supposed to be running the country, no.
In what way did Clinton's action have to do with the country? Nixon, Reagan, and GWB's action was about screwing over the country for their own personal gain. Clinton screwed a girl for his personal gain, but in what way was I affected? None, other than having an Inquisition go on.
He lied to the american public. It makes me question his credibility as a president.
Bush may have told us about WMDs, but it was only because his informants told him this info.
Idiot.
I can post random insults too.
asshole.
It's a defense because the lesser informed person has an inferiority complex
It sounds like someone is a little defensive.
it's not an inferiority complex. Most people don't give a fuck about how many security holes windows has or linux source code. If someone is being completly irritating and annoying about the information they know about a given subject, other people won't want to talk to them. It's human nature and it's a very difficult battle to fight.
Careful. There are those who think waging a war against a plant is ludicrous. Many (myself included) think it's silly to jail someone for the "crime" of moving some plants across an imaginary line. Not to mention a government that dictates what you are and aren't allowed to do with your own body, in the privacy of your own home (drugs, prostitution), or what games you're allowed to play with your own money (gambling).
I think society shouldn't have to pay for a person's problem either (drug abuse, alcohol abuse, gambling abuse)...but it happens anyway.
Runs a prison for "enemy combatants" (not civilians, but not military either) that has been accused by just about every neutral observer of being a gulag.
compared to other countries in the world, our prisons are like a hotel. Go look at a prison in China sometime, and tell me the U.S. prison is like a gulag. BTW. Sadaam is still alive. This would not have been the case in almost any other country in the world.
In light of Nixon, Reagan, and GWB, Somethings remain the same.
I think you can add clinton to that list as well. "I did not have sexual relations with that woman".
As far as you know, OJ is innocent too
really? where is the real murderer and why have all searches been stopped since the trial has ended?
I knew that was your point, but it still isn't true
then show me a really popular open source project (as popular as mysql or apache) that has No commerical support. I haven't found one.
This is because projects that don't get commerical support eventually stop getting worked on.
i don't know how the film industry works, but i know that most musicians make most of their money when they go on tour
yeah, it must work in the same way. Big directors/producerts/actors all go on tour together. This must be how they make all their money. It can't be on ticket or DVD sales.
unless of course you are an independent artist, who makes most of your money on T-shirt and CD sales. These are the people that get screwed over in the end.
it reminds me of the people that protest sweatshops and don't realize they are taking away jobs from people that need them to survive.
and your statement about the market value of a CD is irrelevant. $20 for a DVD/CD is what people are forced to pay now if they want to actually purchase a CD.
you mean..at gunpoint? You aren't forced to do anything. You choose to pay that much because you want to watch a movie or listen to a CD. If I think something is too expensive, I don't buy it. You should do the same.
just because people are willing to spend $100 on a pair of nikes doesn't make them worth $100, nor does it mean that nike would start losing money if they sold the same pair of shoes for less than $100. all it means is that the product is being marketted very well.
if nikes were $1,000, people couldn't afford them and they would lower their price (or go out of business).
Businesses can charge whatever they want for their products. If something costs them a penny to make and they want to sell it for $500, so be it. The market will determine if the price is fair or not.
selling CDs to the consumer at a lower price, say $6-7 for a CD would still cover the cost of the production and generate plenty of additional profit for the artists themselves.
I agree, CDs are too expensive. That's why I don't buy them anymore (if enough people were like me, they might actually lower the price). I get my daily fix of music on XM or the regular radio.
movies and music aren't expensive because of the cost of packaging. they're expensive because businesses are greedy. printing a single DVD and having it packaged only costs about $1-1.50 if you're manufacturing it in quantities of a few hundred at a time. hollywood and the major record labels can get this done at half of that cost i'm sure. getting rid of that process isn't going to save anyone much money. the music and film industries are just used to making a killing off of the consumers. and besides, you can't just cut out the distributors and retailers. a record label or film studio isn't going to just have movies/music for download on their websites and not push their product to other outlets. distributors and retailers are used in these industries because record labels or studios can sell them bulk quantities of their products instead of dealing with individual sales which are in the domain of retailers.
that's similar to talking about the cost of the paint and supplies of a famous piece of art as the total cost.
businesses are greedy, but consumers still pay the price. If people are willing to pay $20 for a DVD, that's the market value. If it was too high, consumers wouldn't be purchasing DVDs or CDs. (that's how a free market works)
Downloading it for free doesn't change this fact either, it just makes it worse.
I hate to break the news to you buddy, but your pal Bush has already fucked up this country beyond recognition
actually, you can thank clinton for that. Bush is just trying to clean up the mess.
Which is why I am saying please get your head out your ass and stop this madness before you get us all killed. North Korea is a nuclear power, you have NO RIGHT to risk destabilising the entire planet just because are in a lash-out frame of mind right now
and "coseyed up to" another dictator? Make up your mind.
and if North Korea starts nuking countries, we don't have to help out..right?
There is no need to ask, their goals are stated in every video message. Of course, the US government sees to it that these are censored on the grounds that there maybe be hidden messages/instructions in the video (lol), lest the public find out that they are being lied to. All you are allowed to see is a short piece of video, with a voice over designed in some way to increase your fear/hatred. Sort of like the 15 minues hate, if you are a fan of classic literature
tapes can be altered and the media can make you believe one thing or another. This does not tell you their actual thoughts/feelings on the matter.
But believing 'they hate freedom' is what keeps the likes of Bush in power.
no, the reason Bush is still in power was because his competition was a joke. I hope our next leader is liberal and it fucks up our country beyond recognition...to teach the liberals a lesson.
Hmm, taxes? That's the best you've got? V.A.T is a sales tax, sound familiar? It's 17.5%, I wonder what the equivalent tax is in your state...?
yeah, 6%. See the difference. (that was just one example).
I'm not condoning their actions, but the US public need to get their head out their arse sharpish. It's assholes like Rumsfeld and Cheeney who sucker up to the dictator types like Saddan and the Saudi Royal Family, and sell them weapons that they hate. Not freedom. Bin Laden's stated goal is to have the US withdraw troops from Saudi
to have a dictator take it over? I think we can thank sadaam for the troops we have in saudi.
And that comes back to freedom. See, you are practically living in an Orwellian state, when your administration lie so blatantly and invoke god in speaches, while the news media sit back and repeat the same crap verbaitm. Bush has repeativly said "they hate freedom", which is utter bullshit. You probably killed their wifes/daughters/zealot in the past and they are pissed at you. That's about it in a nutshell. About half of the US population think Saddam was behind 9.11! You think that's an accident? And you go on about how wonderful US "freedom" is?
Our president may talk about god, but does not force everyone to have his beliefs. That's what freedoms is all about.
Sadaam (or one of his sons) probably killed their wife/daughter/zealout. As stated before, they don't deserve freedom. They need to rot in the shithole Sadaam created for awhile and beg the U.S. for help.
And you go on about how wonderful US "freedom" is?
yes, I do.
Bush has repeativly said "they hate freedom", which is utter bullshit
have you been there to ask them? Why not take a poll? if not, then you are the one full of shit.