Ambigious. I'll leave this meaning up to the reader. I can't make heads or tails of it.
obviously you don't understand the true nature of Microsoft. You only see all capitalism as bad.
Really? Exactly what beginning are we talking about here? The beginning where Billy stole time on his school's computer to make his BASIC? Or, the beginning where his mommy got him in the door because she knew a big wig at IBM? That beginning also includes him buying QDOS off of a friend, then licensing it to IBM. A stoke of genuis if ever there was one.
how is that not fair??? it was purely being at the right place at the right time, but I would hardly bitch about it being Un-fair.(That's how MANY business get started, it's all about who you know)
...im kind of wondering what they're teaching you kids these days.
if you hate microsoft so much, why do you care, anyway? because LINUX is the best.....RIGHT????
In the beginning, Microsoft played the game fair and square. They sold DOS, people were buying it, everyone was happy. They only fucked themselves when OS important files were being replaced with the installation of software like Frontpage or Office (That right there is deserving of a breakup of Microsoft, among other things). Capitalism surely has worked well. I mean, Microsoft came from a small piddly-ass company, and Transformed into an empire. Does money scare you? I love capitalism, and having the ability to create a huge corporation from nothing is great!
Do you even KNOW why Macintosh failed??? it was because they were greedy bastards! If they were on top now, they would have a Monopoly over the Hardware (Which is propr.) and the Software (and MacOS* is horrible!). Im glad Macintosh is long-forgotton.
I can imagine communism is what you have in mind for the U.S. That's JUST what we need.....................
about that question above, YOU SHOULD GET A SENSE OF HUMOUR AND NOT TAKE EVERYTHING SO SERIOUSLY
why are you arguing about your country being better? Because it's not. i don't have to argue with you anymore, because I KNOW the I have more freedom than you probably EVER will. You probably can't get your green card. I understand, for you, the test is probably pretty hard. But don't worry, you'll get it next time. You foreigners will never understand what freedom is like until you get it.
if that question I asked to stallman is your view on me as an american, I feel sorry for you. you couldn't find anything else on me, so you started searching through my previous questions....PATHETIC!
let's get something straight..source code/programs/music is not considered information (if it is, it's only an altered rule to please the pirates)
how is the right to share information less valid than the right to have ownership of information
well, if I create something, and copyright it, it is MY right, under U.S. Law, to stop anyone I choose from violating it. You can share information, but only if you own the rights to it, or the author/creator gives you permission.
if someone claims it is his natural right to rob a bank or kill another person, how can you prove otherwise? (just another law being broken)
well,let me translate it: property rights will be gone as we know it, if everyone followed stallman's gospel.
stallman is the great leader, and everyone else are his followers: the Free Software Movement. Whatever radical, garbage ideas that spew out of his mouth and onto the internet, seem to be followed by slashdotters as a new form of Religion.
in reality, the average end-user doesn't give a flying fuck whether software is OSS or not. Most of the Time, if it looks good, is marginally fast, and does it's job, people will buy or use it. That's the problem with 99.9999999% of OSS software. Look at gnutella. It may run alright, but it's slow, clunky, and looks like it was hacked together in a night.
against what most slashdotters believe, money rules every commerical industry. Capitalism is perfect in the software industry because of the following: if software sucks, people just won't buy it. Only the best of the best will survive ( and im talking about the consumer end-user not programmers), and it will give the programmer incentive to only release software that's higher quality. If it's free, knowledge will be gained, it can be added upon by other programmers, but programmers will have no doubt in their mind when releasing shitty software.
Beos is a good example. Look at x-windows. In my opinion,The gui sucks (no matter what manager is used) , there's not really any standard, and it's still using technology from the 60's. It could be 10 to 20 times quicker, but no-one seems to want to create a totally new windowing system for *nix. That brings me to another point. Re-inventing the Wheel is sometimes better. If we try to figure out how to do certain things ourselves, sometimes new optimization techiques can be found.
If you look at what stallman is doing, he's doing the same exact thing Microsfoft is doing, but legally. Microsoft 1) abused their power as a monopoly and started forcing companies to go out of business by doing what?????? making the same product, but free and building into their OS(Netscape is an example...Remember when you had to buy it?). Just because something is Not Microsoft doesn't make it better. (IE. Netscape is still slow as shit on my k62-300, but IE is fast as hell) The Free Software Community is doing the same thing. They're creating things like the gimp (OR pirating music + software), for free, hoping it will be used instead of products like photoshop, thus putting those companies out of business
if linux is ever going to achieve the popularity of Microsoft, there has to be a big change in attitude. It is going to have to be "Free". 1) people that want to make money on software can and 2) people that want to use the Gnu license can. API standards are also going to have to be created(ie. x-windows,etc).
it's my right to start a corporation, make as much money as I want, give away my software for free, or release it under GPL.
stallman wants to gain the public's attention by stealing art, and claiming it's free speech. If our society was based on knowledge, it would be a GREAT idea.
if giving music away for free was such a GREAT idea? why are 75 % of the artists pissed? Because it's violating their RIGHTS! Something stallman sees as OK.
BTW stallman doesn't care about money because he gets large $$$ from the college he works at.
it doesn't matter, though, because arguing with slashdotters is like arguin with a fucking Brick wall.
I guess I can see the reasoning behind a socalist society: OSS programmers aren't making any money on their work, and are too lazy to get a job somewhere.
However, they can't ever find any ACTUAL cases. sure...i know plenty of people with canada's healthcare problem
yeah...you would like that wouldn't you...the government providing everything...healthcare and schooling. As an example, look at the welefare system of the U.S. People refuse to get jobs, and love screwing the system and getting that Governemt check!
the reason some americans don't have access to healthcare, is because they won't get off of their lazy asses and get a fucking job.
I get approached by bums on the street all the time... "can I have a quarter?, man can you spare some change?". Anyone can get a job! You just have to apply yourself.
The only people that need such things are people with mental disabilities or the like.
god I hope the US doesn't become socialist, or communist for that matter.
almost as mistakeable as claiming the stealing of art is Freedom of Speech.
----Freedom isn't a one-way street
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this whole article proves one thing to me, slashdot is a total hypocrate. Here are the things that should be done after today, on future events:
1) when bands such as metallica (or the RIAA) want to preserve their "code"(music), we shoud listen. 2) we should be more responsive toward preservation of copyrights, instead of crying out that it's the preservation of Free Speech. Under the same principals, (Information wants to be closed).
I do believe in free health care and education for all however>
free health care???I guess you haven't looked at Candada lately. People have to fucking come over to the US because the waiting list is too long on life or death operations. It doesn't work.
The only place I can see even close(if not more) then the US's Freedom, is Taiwan
enlighten me on how you think communism is a good thing?
that's exactly why im not living there.(BTW. you never mentioned their economy, which compared the the US is shitty). Freedom should have it's limits. I don't want to live somewhere in fear that a fucking criminal will rob or kill me with no help from the police. If the US was such a shithole, why are their tens or hundreds of million people trying to immigrate here per year?
The netherlands is good if you are a computer hacker or crook, might come in handy some day.
information might want to be free, but people's hard work doesn't. I don't think free commercial software or mp3's is considered information. Even if you're just giving out where to get them. It still boils down to the same thing. Freenet, although is and can be used legally, it's followers claim reasons to use it over programs like napster is for illegal purposes. Wow, if that's the only reason to use freenet...im not using it. What legitimate purposes did you have in mind for freenet?
translation: warez-monkies want their free software
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want to know what the funniest thing about this whole argument is?? I believe napster should be allowed to have their servers. I always have. I was just trying to point out that Napster is NOTHING like HTTP,FTP,or IRC. And ALL those linux-irc-newbie phrases you use like "luser" and "fsking" don't make your arguments any more believable. Napster is not what is wrong here...its the beliefs of everyone who thinks all art should be FREE, artists don't need the money, and all corporations deserved to get screwed. sound familiar? I can imagine you work at some corporation or fast-food joint or some other labor job that doesn't require a shred of intellect. I believe that anyone (even the RIAA or MPAA) deserve their rights. Although napster is legal, people that serve the illegal mp3's are at fault(repeated 10 times so you can get it through your head).
Why expect people to follow the Gnu license, when 75% of the same community can't follow the current copyright laws.
slashdotters/freesource community only follow the rules of their own "religion". When bruce P. was getting trampled on by Beos, slashdot and most of the users were behind bruce, and against the big-bad company.
through the GNU, you gain only about one thing: knowledge. You expect people in the same community to follow the rules, and release any additions to your source OSS and free. to artists like metallica, they get money. It's what they want for their work, and damn it! they deserve it. Free speech in the eyes of a slashdotter is FAR from reality. It kind of strayed from the path, and is a good excuse for stealing and getting free stuff (information wants to be free).
Artists have rights too
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so that gives us the right to FUCK them LEFT and RIGHT???
freedom has no expections, but slashdotters do.
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well, this message exposes your age....probably about 13 i would imagine (The immature names gave it away).Trying to make me look bad to make you like the almighty king does nothing.
Comparing high times to napster is like apples to oranges. If I want to buy pot, people's propery rights aren't being violated. It's illegal, but not the same at all!
you're right....neither is the RIAA/bands for preserving their freedoms and rights.
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if you think http,ftp, and irc are just like napster, then why didn't they get sued 6 years ago (or more) when they were invented????? because they're not.NAPSTER isn't an open protocol..it's hacked or reverse-engineered...and the actual napster server isn't. your theory would only work if altavista JUST had searchable child-porn on users systems. (because child-porn is illegal and so are copyrighted mp3's).
----think about it...PLEASE
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HTTP, FTP, IRC are just as guilty
Here is the problem with your reasoning.
IRC,HTTP,FTP are PROTOCOLS not propr. protocols with a limited number of centralized servers and only one propr. client.(like napster). If napster was open, and anyone could put up a server, they would have no law suit.
well, if Company X came out with a client, told everyone it was specifically for warez, and were the only ones with servers, they would have a lawsuit on their hands.
man...get your facts straight!
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just because it is free, doesn't make it better.
It's not better. It's slower, and has a bad interface. Maybe because you think having no "centralized server" makes it better...but...it doesn't. There are better ways to deal with such things, gnutella isn't one of them.
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wrong, http,ftp,irc,etc. have a generalized purpose, kind of like hotline and gnutella. Napster, on the other hand specifically states that it's purpose is to share MP3's, and basically that's all you can share. And(being a mystery to most slashdotters), gets its popularity from PIRATED music. If napster was just advertised as being able to share any kind of file, it sure as hell wouldn't be as popular. Doesn't anyone see? Napster saw this coming, and they used it to their advantage....Free advertising...
It would be like someone having illegal software (or links to) on a website,ftp site, or irc room, and they do go after those people.
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Real artists should not expect a penny in return for their stuff
I hope this is a joke!?
yeah..sure...what is the whole purpose of becoming an Artist? you get to do what you love, and make a living off of it. On the other hand, you could work for some big Corporation, the most preferred job of slashdotters, and slave your skills away for 1% of what you are worth. If that's what you would like your life to be like.....as a programmer....join the OSS/free software community...its great!
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Ambigious. I'll leave this meaning up to the reader. I can't make heads or tails of it.
...im kind of wondering what they're teaching you kids these days.
obviously you don't understand the true nature of Microsoft. You only see all capitalism as bad.
Really? Exactly what beginning are we talking about here? The beginning where Billy stole time on his school's computer to make his BASIC? Or, the beginning where his mommy got him in the door because she knew a big wig at IBM? That beginning also includes him buying QDOS off of a friend, then licensing it to IBM. A stoke of genuis if ever there was one.
how is that not fair??? it was purely being at the right place at the right time, but I would hardly bitch about it being Un-fair.(That's how MANY business get started, it's all about who you know)
if you hate microsoft so much, why do you care, anyway? because LINUX is the best.....RIGHT????
What The hell are yo talking about???
In the beginning, Microsoft played the game fair and square. They sold DOS, people were buying it, everyone was happy. They only fucked themselves when OS important files were being replaced with the installation of software like Frontpage or Office (That right there is deserving of a breakup of Microsoft, among other things). Capitalism surely has worked well. I mean, Microsoft came from a small piddly-ass company, and Transformed into an empire. Does money scare you? I love capitalism, and having the ability to create a huge corporation from nothing is great!
Do you even KNOW why Macintosh failed??? it was because they were greedy bastards! If they were on top now, they would have a Monopoly over the Hardware (Which is propr.) and the Software (and MacOS* is horrible!). Im glad Macintosh is long-forgotton.
I can imagine communism is what you have in mind for the U.S. That's JUST what we need.....................
if not? what solution do you have in mind?
no, but the RIAA counts for 100%, and no matter how much you don't like it, they have rights
about that question above, YOU SHOULD GET A SENSE OF HUMOUR AND NOT TAKE EVERYTHING SO SERIOUSLY
why are you arguing about your country being better? Because it's not. i don't have to argue with you anymore, because I KNOW the I have more freedom than you probably EVER will. You probably can't get your green card. I understand, for you, the test is probably pretty hard. But don't worry, you'll get it next time. You foreigners will never understand what freedom is like until you get it.
if that question I asked to stallman is your view on me as an american, I feel sorry for you. you couldn't find anything else on me, so you started searching through my previous questions....PATHETIC!
let's get something straight..source code/programs/music is not considered information (if it is, it's only an altered rule to please the pirates)
how is the right to share information less valid than the right to have ownership of information
well, if I create something, and copyright it, it is MY right, under U.S. Law, to stop anyone I choose from violating it. You can share information, but only if you own the rights to it, or the author/creator gives you permission.
Actually, it's my FREEDOM (and if i wanted to do that I could), which you don't seem to have an understanding of.
if someone claims it is his natural right to rob a bank or kill another person, how can you prove otherwise? (just another law being broken)
well,let me translate it: property rights will be gone as we know it, if everyone followed stallman's gospel.
stallman is the great leader, and everyone else are his followers: the Free Software Movement. Whatever radical, garbage ideas that spew out of his mouth and onto the internet, seem to be followed by slashdotters as a new form of Religion.
in reality, the average end-user doesn't give a flying fuck whether software is OSS or not. Most of the Time, if it looks good, is marginally fast, and does it's job, people will buy or use it. That's the problem with 99.9999999% of OSS software. Look at gnutella. It may run alright, but it's slow, clunky, and looks like it was hacked together in a night.
against what most slashdotters believe, money rules every commerical industry. Capitalism is perfect in the software industry because of the following: if software sucks, people just won't buy it. Only the best of the best will survive ( and im talking about the consumer end-user not programmers), and it will give the programmer incentive to only release software that's higher quality. If it's free, knowledge will be gained, it can be added upon by other programmers, but programmers will have no doubt in their mind when releasing shitty software.
Beos is a good example. Look at x-windows. In my opinion,The gui sucks (no matter what manager is used) , there's not really any standard, and it's still using technology from the 60's. It could be 10 to 20 times quicker, but no-one seems to want to create a totally new windowing system for *nix. That brings me to another point. Re-inventing the Wheel is sometimes better. If we try to figure out how to do certain things ourselves, sometimes new optimization techiques can be found.
If you look at what stallman is doing, he's doing the same exact thing Microsfoft is doing, but legally. Microsoft
1) abused their power as a monopoly and started forcing companies to go out of business by doing what?????? making the same product, but free and building into their OS(Netscape is an example...Remember when you had to buy it?). Just because something is Not Microsoft doesn't make it better. (IE. Netscape is still slow as shit on my k62-300, but IE is fast as hell)
The Free Software Community is doing the same thing. They're creating things like the gimp (OR pirating music + software), for free, hoping it will be used instead of products like photoshop, thus putting those companies out of business
if linux is ever going to achieve the popularity of Microsoft, there has to be a big change in attitude. It is going to have to be "Free".
1) people that want to make money on software can and 2) people that want to use the Gnu license can. API standards are also going to have to be created(ie. x-windows,etc).
I guess linux will always be a hobby
FREEDOM? what freedom is stallman giving us?
it's my right to start a corporation, make as much money as I want, give away my software for free, or release it under GPL.
stallman wants to gain the public's attention by stealing art, and claiming it's free speech. If our society was based on knowledge, it would be a GREAT idea.
if giving music away for free was such a GREAT idea? why are 75 % of the artists pissed? Because it's violating their RIGHTS! Something stallman sees as OK.
BTW stallman doesn't care about money because he gets large $$$ from the college he works at.
it doesn't matter, though, because arguing with slashdotters is like arguin with a fucking Brick wall.
I guess I can see the reasoning behind a socalist society: OSS programmers aren't making any money on their work, and are too lazy to get a job somewhere.
However, they can't ever find any ACTUAL cases.
sure...i know plenty of people with canada's healthcare problem
yeah...you would like that wouldn't you...the government providing everything...healthcare and schooling. As an example, look at the welefare system of the U.S. People refuse to get jobs, and love screwing the system and getting that Governemt check!
the reason some americans don't have access to healthcare, is because they won't get off of their lazy asses and get a fucking job.
I get approached by bums on the street all the time... "can I have a quarter?, man can you spare some change?". Anyone can get a job! You just have to apply yourself.
The only people that need such things are people with mental disabilities or the like.
god I hope the US doesn't become socialist, or communist for that matter.
almost as mistakeable as claiming the stealing of art is Freedom of Speech.
----Freedom isn't a one-way street
this whole article proves one thing to me, slashdot is a total hypocrate. Here are the things that should be done after today, on future events:
1) when bands such as metallica (or the RIAA) want to preserve their "code"(music), we shoud listen.
2) we should be more responsive toward preservation of copyrights, instead of crying out that it's the preservation of Free Speech. Under the same principals, (Information wants to be closed).
we can start by being a little less hypocritical
----artists have rights too
I do believe in free health care and education for all however>
free health care???I guess you haven't looked at Candada lately. People have to fucking come over to the US because the waiting list is too long on life or death operations. It doesn't work.
The only place I can see even close(if not more) then the US's Freedom, is Taiwan
enlighten me on how you think communism is a good thing?
Holland doesn't care about drugs, prostitution
that's exactly why im not living there.(BTW. you never mentioned their economy, which compared the the US is shitty). Freedom should have it's limits. I don't want to live somewhere in fear that a fucking criminal will rob or kill me with no help from the police. If the US was such a shithole, why are their tens or hundreds of million people trying to immigrate here per year?
The netherlands is good if you are a computer hacker or crook, might come in handy some day.
it's funny to watch the foreigners argue about how shitty america is. :-)
information might want to be free, but people's hard work doesn't. I don't think free commercial software or mp3's is considered information. Even if you're just giving out where to get them. It still boils down to the same thing. Freenet, although is and can be used legally, it's followers claim reasons to use it over programs like napster is for illegal purposes. Wow, if that's the only reason to use freenet...im not using it. What legitimate purposes did you have in mind for freenet?
translation: warez-monkies want their free software
want to know what the funniest thing about this whole argument is?? I believe napster should be allowed to have their servers. I always have. I was just trying to point out that Napster is NOTHING like HTTP,FTP,or IRC. And ALL those linux-irc-newbie phrases you use like "luser" and "fsking" don't make your arguments any more believable. Napster is not what is wrong here...its the beliefs of everyone who thinks all art should be FREE, artists don't need the money, and all corporations deserved to get screwed. sound familiar? I can imagine you work at some corporation or fast-food joint or some other labor job that doesn't require a shred of intellect. I believe that anyone (even the RIAA or MPAA) deserve their rights. Although napster is legal, people that serve the illegal mp3's are at fault(repeated 10 times so you can get it through your head).
Why expect people to follow the Gnu license, when 75% of the same community can't follow the current copyright laws.
slashdotters/freesource community only follow the rules of their own "religion". When bruce P. was getting trampled on by Beos, slashdot and most of the users were behind bruce, and against the big-bad company.
through the GNU, you gain only about one thing: knowledge. You expect people in the same community to follow the rules, and release any additions to your source OSS and free. to artists like metallica, they get money. It's what they want for their work, and damn it! they deserve it. Free speech in the eyes of a slashdotter is FAR from reality. It kind of strayed from the path, and is a good excuse for stealing and getting free stuff (information wants to be free).
Artists have rights too
so that gives us the right to FUCK them LEFT and RIGHT???
freedom has no expections, but slashdotters do.
well, this message exposes your age....probably about 13 i would imagine (The immature names gave it away).Trying to make me look bad to make you like the almighty king does nothing.
Comparing high times to napster is like apples to oranges. If I want to buy pot, people's propery rights aren't being violated. It's illegal, but not the same at all!
you're right....neither is the RIAA/bands for preserving their freedoms and rights.
if you think http,ftp, and irc are just like napster, then why didn't they get sued 6 years ago (or more) when they were invented????? because they're not.NAPSTER isn't an open protocol..it's hacked or reverse-engineered...and the actual napster server isn't. your theory would only work if altavista JUST had searchable child-porn on users systems. (because child-porn is illegal and so are copyrighted mp3's).
----think about it...PLEASE
HTTP, FTP, IRC are just as guilty
Here is the problem with your reasoning.
IRC,HTTP,FTP are PROTOCOLS not propr. protocols with a limited number of centralized servers and only one propr. client.(like napster). If napster was open, and anyone could put up a server, they would have no law suit.
well, if Company X came out with a client, told everyone it was specifically for warez, and were the only ones with servers, they would have a lawsuit on their hands.
man...get your facts straight!
just because it is free, doesn't make it better.
It's not better. It's slower, and has a bad interface. Maybe because you think having no "centralized server" makes it better...but...it doesn't. There are better ways to deal with such things, gnutella isn't one of them.
wrong, http,ftp,irc,etc. have a generalized purpose, kind of like hotline and gnutella. Napster, on the other hand specifically states that it's purpose is to share MP3's, and basically that's all you can share. And(being a mystery to most slashdotters), gets its popularity from PIRATED music. If napster was just advertised as being able to share any kind of file, it sure as hell wouldn't be as popular. Doesn't anyone see? Napster saw this coming, and they used it to their advantage....Free advertising...
It would be like someone having illegal software (or links to) on a website,ftp site, or irc room, and they do go after those people.
Real artists should not expect a penny in return for their stuff
I hope this is a joke!?
yeah..sure...what is the whole purpose of becoming an Artist? you get to do what you love, and make a living off of it. On the other hand, you could work for some big Corporation, the most preferred job of slashdotters, and slave your skills away for 1% of what you are worth. If that's what you would like your life to be like.....as a programmer....join the OSS/free software community...its great!