doubt if anybody knows. But a sale of a counterfeit tape on the street is at least occasionally a lost sale or rental for a video store. And the income of a video store determines what it can pay its employees. So it seems likely that some of the money that would otherwise go into the pockets of video store employees is instead going into the pockets of tapers.
Camming != taping. Notice I'm not talking about copyright infringement in general, but specifically camming. A cam is of far lesser quality than even a 3rd generation VHS dub.
Who can blame them for wanting their tax dollars spent to prevent this, or from expressing this preference in the polling booth?
Well, 1) its pissing their money away because of the aforementioned near-zero loss to camming, and 2) also goes back to the fact that the government is not for guaranteeing the profits of businesses. Oh, and because copyright infringement has always been a civil issue, rather than a criminal one. Though that is obviously starting to change as the content industry keeps buying our representatives.
So, if as you say the workers want to protect their jobs, then rather than giving money to the government to do their enforcement for them, they can give up some of their wages so the industry can do their own damn enforcement, the way it should be, rather than asking me to pay for it as well.
However, the movie industry employees large numbers of people, from those who manufacture the films to those who distribute them, to those who work in theaters and video rental shops.
All of which is still paid for by theater customers.
And all of these people make money
And how many industry people have lost their jobs or even missed a pay raise because of camming in theaters? If its more than zero I would eat my hat.
So what is wrong with investing a tiny bit of their tax money in protecting their livelihoods?
Well, aside from the fact that this law is a draconian knee-jerk reaction to a vastly overstated problem, two reasons: 1) all the big content industries themselves were built on "piracy" and 2) that-nice-quote-that-I-can't-find about why should industries expect the government to insure their continued profits just because their business model is losing its effectiveness.
Copyright infringement has long been considered a form of theft
Only by the content industry (which itself was based on "Piracy", stick that in your pipe and smoke it) and those saps who buy their shpeal.
It is only in recent years, when technology made copying easy enough that obeying the law became inconvenient, that people started using the "I'm not taking anything physical so its not theft" argument to try to rationalize what they are doing.
Again, Bzzt. Copyright infringement has always been just that, infringement, just like trademark infringement or patent infringement. Not theft. If infringement is really theft, then why has it never been prosecuted as such?
You're wrong, we're right, and we proved it to you. If you keep arguing, either you are a troll, or belong in the same padded room as people who believe the sun revolves around a flat earth. In other words, a frikkin idiot.
"Girl" certainally implies "child" or at least "teenager", Smarty Pants. So I stand by my origional statment that no DA would give second shift to a case like this.
Funny you say that, since some cousins of mine just came up to visit from Dallas. Fortunatly their son hasn't taken to saying "what kinda coke y'all want", and wants to play hockey in North Dakota.
I'd also like to see a ten year maximum public service law. No single human could serve more than ten years total, any mixture of elected, appointed or hired on position in the government. No pensions, no career bureaucrats, no career politicians. The only exceptions would be bonafide veteran war casualities, full medical care, and a pension for their survivors, but zip nada to anyone else.
That's just stupid. No wait a minute, its phenominally stupid. Do you have any idea how valuable experience is? Who do you want directing the FBI, somebody who's been in law enforcement for 30 years, or somebody who's only expereince is a law & justice degree? Who do you want directing FEMA, somebody who's worked with government disaster-responce for a couple decades or somebody with an engeneering degree? Aside from loosing all that wisdom from career beauracrats, you are going to send the governments effeciency (such as it is) to shit from errors by green employees and spending hiddeous amounts of money to train them in as your turnover rate will skyrocket.
Now, aside from loosing experienced people, term limits aren't going to do a damn thing to reduce curruption, graft, or keep our representatives from becomming corporate shills. Its going to make it worse. While a career politician might be a jerk and a sleaze, at least he has to worry about pissing off the voters too much because he still has to be re-elected. With your 10 year term limits, all politicans are going to be thinking about their next career. And what is going to help them the most in that goal: being dedicated public servants, or helping out businesses who can give them sweet positions after they get out of office, like oh say Halliburton? You would see cronyism, graft, corruption and corporate shilling on a biblical scale.
It involves taking something that someone else has a property right in.
Taking is removing. By copying something, you aren't removing a damn thing. No, I'm not arguing semantics or splitting hairs to make it sound less serious. I'm calling it exactly what it is, copyright infringment. The content industries have called copying something its not (stealing) to make it sound *worse* than it really is, and unfortunatly a lot of poeple (like you) have bought their propoganda. Well, they are wrong and you are wrong, which is why we need to correct you.
The movie industry is a major contributor to the economy
The taxpayer is the one doing all the contributing here, though. And they get to contribute a second time to government inforcement of copyright laws, rather than having the studios do their own damn civil enforcement. Lucky us!
There is an understandable knee-jerk reaction against anything the movie industry wants
The only knee-jerking on is from the movie industries and their employees in Congress, as cams probably only take a few thousand dollars off a multi-million dollar blockbuster.
The point of making an analogy is to compare to things that have similarities. Camming movies and robbing banks aren't remotely similar, not even on the same fucking planet. Taping movies is a non-violent, non criminal (until this stupid law, anyway) offense that realistically knocks a few hundreths of a percent off of a movie studios theoretical profits, tops. Whereas a robbing a bank uses violence or the threat of violence, steals real world money, and costs all taxpayers money since bank account are federally insured.
To quote Billy Madison: "...what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
It just goes to show how much influence corporations have on our government. This is why we NEED campaign finance reform.
I would just like to point out that your campaign finance reform would do precisely Jack Fucking Shit in this instance. The DA was going for a high profile case for publicity purposes. All the finance reform in the world isn't going to make politicians need publicity any less.
Anyway, I think your story is bs. If the DA wants publicity, child rape cases are huge. As are murders. The DA would take the rape/murder first and the insider trading as a distant second. Your story doesn't add up.
When stories like this get posted, I wonder how far I'll have to read before some self-important idiot accuses Slashdot and its readership of hipocracy. Well I hate to wipe the smug, shit-eating expression off your face, but I would like to point out that there is no hipocracy in complaining about companies who violate the GPL and throwing people in jail for taping movies.
Do you have any idea what the hell you are talking about? How the fuck is violating a software license and throwing people in prison for (very poor quality) copyright infringment remotely comparible? If we were all calling for 10 year prison terms for Linksys employees, then you might have a point. But we aren't so you don't.
How likely it is to be applied is IRRELEVANT. Its like the FCC to "just trust us" when it comes to enforcing decency regulations. The fact is that they are rediculous penalties for the offense involved, which *is already covered under existing laws*.
When is the last time you saw a Democrat even pay lip service to the idea of smaller government?
Because they know that smaller government just for the sake of smaller government is just as bad? A bad piece of government is a reason to fix it, not to have less government all around.
Yes, they are, dumbass. As another poster pointed out, once they found the missing ballots you could have done a recount. Good luck doing that with electronic votes that aren't counted. And yes, there has always been fraud with paper or lever systems...but it has always taken a lot of work to do on more than a small scale. With electronic machines, you can swap hundreds of thousands of votes just by modifying a database.
The only deadline that matters is when Congress meets in January to count the electors votes, and yes there is prescience for it (wtf Gore's lawyers didn't bring it up, I don't know). In the 1960 election, Hawaii's votes were disputed, and the results were certified until the end of December, I believe (Googling for Kennedy and Hawaii just turns up a bunch of pages on WWII). So Florida had more than enough time to do a full, statewide recount.
...or they could be mixed up at the lab, like how a man named Rene Sanchez, arrested for DWI, has his prints mixed up with a drug dealer by the name of Leo Rosario. He got hauled into court numerous times because the cops were sure he was the other guy, and even went through deportation hearings before the records were finally fixed. I thought of this case and thought of Brazil. The NYTimes had a nice article on Mr. Sanchez, but unfortunately its in their archives now (i.e. they want you to pay to access the article).
A drivers license is a continuing permission from the state to drive a vehicle based on your health and history, or lack thereof, of drunk driving. You don't see Universities revoking doctorates from people no longer able to do research because of Alzheimer's or other diseases, the way glaucoma would with driving.
that doesn't change the fact that you come across as ignorant if you do.
Bzzt. I'm sure the kids made fun of the first guy to use a word with more than one syllable, too. You want to be a grammar nazi, go start your own damn language, and then you can keep it as pure as you want it to be.
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doubt if anybody knows. But a sale of a counterfeit tape on the street is at least occasionally a lost sale or rental for a video store. And the income of a video store determines what it can pay its employees. So it seems likely that some of the money that would otherwise go into the pockets of video store employees is instead going into the pockets of tapers.
Camming != taping. Notice I'm not talking about copyright infringement in general, but specifically camming. A cam is of far lesser quality than even a 3rd generation VHS dub.
Who can blame them for wanting their tax dollars spent to prevent this, or from expressing this preference in the polling booth?
Well, 1) its pissing their money away because of the aforementioned near-zero loss to camming, and 2) also goes back to the fact that the government is not for guaranteeing the profits of businesses. Oh, and because copyright infringement has always been a civil issue, rather than a criminal one. Though that is obviously starting to change as the content industry keeps buying our representatives.
So, if as you say the workers want to protect their jobs, then rather than giving money to the government to do their enforcement for them, they can give up some of their wages so the industry can do their own damn enforcement, the way it should be, rather than asking me to pay for it as well.
However, the movie industry employees large numbers of people, from those who manufacture the films to those who distribute them, to those who work in theaters and video rental shops.
All of which is still paid for by theater customers.
And all of these people make money
And how many industry people have lost their jobs or even missed a pay raise because of camming in theaters? If its more than zero I would eat my hat.
So what is wrong with investing a tiny bit of their tax money in protecting their livelihoods?
Well, aside from the fact that this law is a draconian knee-jerk reaction to a vastly overstated problem, two reasons: 1) all the big content industries themselves were built on "piracy" and 2) that-nice-quote-that-I-can't-find about why should industries expect the government to insure their continued profits just because their business model is losing its effectiveness.
You are the one engaging in propaganda here.
Nope, just the facts, ma'am.
Copyright infringement has long been considered a form of theft
Only by the content industry (which itself was based on "Piracy", stick that in your pipe and smoke it) and those saps who buy their shpeal.
It is only in recent years, when technology made copying easy enough that obeying the law became inconvenient, that people started using the "I'm not taking anything physical so its not theft" argument to try to rationalize what they are doing.
Again, Bzzt. Copyright infringement has always been just that, infringement, just like trademark infringement or patent infringement. Not theft. If infringement is really theft, then why has it never been prosecuted as such?
You're wrong, we're right, and we proved it to you. If you keep arguing, either you are a troll, or belong in the same padded room as people who believe the sun revolves around a flat earth. In other words, a frikkin idiot.
"Girl" certainally implies "child" or at least "teenager", Smarty Pants. So I stand by my origional statment that no DA would give second shift to a case like this.
Now Dallas on the other hand...
Funny you say that, since some cousins of mine just came up to visit from Dallas. Fortunatly their son hasn't taken to saying "what kinda coke y'all want", and wants to play hockey in North Dakota.
in the middle of a liberal swampland.
As if being liberal was a bad thing.
he state is overrun with refugees from Massachusetts that bring their city disease with them ("Massholes")
Uh huh. Why don't you just move to Austin, TX where you'll find lots of other neocon butt pirates.
I'd also like to see a ten year maximum public service law. No single human could serve more than ten years total, any mixture of elected, appointed or hired on position in the government. No pensions, no career bureaucrats, no career politicians. The only exceptions would be bonafide veteran war casualities, full medical care, and a pension for their survivors, but zip nada to anyone else.
That's just stupid. No wait a minute, its phenominally stupid. Do you have any idea how valuable experience is? Who do you want directing the FBI, somebody who's been in law enforcement for 30 years, or somebody who's only expereince is a law & justice degree? Who do you want directing FEMA, somebody who's worked with government disaster-responce for a couple decades or somebody with an engeneering degree? Aside from loosing all that wisdom from career beauracrats, you are going to send the governments effeciency (such as it is) to shit from errors by green employees and spending hiddeous amounts of money to train them in as your turnover rate will skyrocket.
Now, aside from loosing experienced people, term limits aren't going to do a damn thing to reduce curruption, graft, or keep our representatives from becomming corporate shills. Its going to make it worse. While a career politician might be a jerk and a sleaze, at least he has to worry about pissing off the voters too much because he still has to be re-elected. With your 10 year term limits, all politicans are going to be thinking about their next career. And what is going to help them the most in that goal: being dedicated public servants, or helping out businesses who can give them sweet positions after they get out of office, like oh say Halliburton? You would see cronyism, graft, corruption and corporate shilling on a biblical scale.
It involves taking something that someone else has a property right in.
Taking is removing. By copying something, you aren't removing a damn thing. No, I'm not arguing semantics or splitting hairs to make it sound less serious. I'm calling it exactly what it is, copyright infringment. The content industries have called copying something its not (stealing) to make it sound *worse* than it really is, and unfortunatly a lot of poeple (like you) have bought their propoganda. Well, they are wrong and you are wrong, which is why we need to correct you.
The movie industry is a major contributor to the economy
The taxpayer is the one doing all the contributing here, though. And they get to contribute a second time to government inforcement of copyright laws, rather than having the studios do their own damn civil enforcement. Lucky us!
There is an understandable knee-jerk reaction against anything the movie industry wants
The only knee-jerking on is from the movie industries and their employees in Congress, as cams probably only take a few thousand dollars off a multi-million dollar blockbuster.
The point of making an analogy is to compare to things that have similarities. Camming movies and robbing banks aren't remotely similar, not even on the same fucking planet. Taping movies is a non-violent, non criminal (until this stupid law, anyway) offense that realistically knocks a few hundreths of a percent off of a movie studios theoretical profits, tops. Whereas a robbing a bank uses violence or the threat of violence, steals real world money, and costs all taxpayers money since bank account are federally insured.
To quote Billy Madison: "...what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
It just goes to show how much influence corporations have on our government. This is why we NEED campaign finance reform.
I would just like to point out that your campaign finance reform would do precisely Jack Fucking Shit in this instance. The DA was going for a high profile case for publicity purposes. All the finance reform in the world isn't going to make politicians need publicity any less.
Anyway, I think your story is bs. If the DA wants publicity, child rape cases are huge. As are murders. The DA would take the rape/murder first and the insider trading as a distant second. Your story doesn't add up.
When stories like this get posted, I wonder how far I'll have to read before some self-important idiot accuses Slashdot and its readership of hipocracy. Well I hate to wipe the smug, shit-eating expression off your face, but I would like to point out that there is no hipocracy in complaining about companies who violate the GPL and throwing people in jail for taping movies.
Do you have any idea what the hell you are talking about? How the fuck is violating a software license and throwing people in prison for (very poor quality) copyright infringment remotely comparible? If we were all calling for 10 year prison terms for Linksys employees, then you might have a point. But we aren't so you don't.
Moron.
How likely it is to be applied is IRRELEVANT. Its like the FCC to "just trust us" when it comes to enforcing decency regulations. The fact is that they are rediculous penalties for the offense involved, which *is already covered under existing laws*.
You do know there's a bit of a difference between being appointed by the same party and being appointed by the guys FATHER, right?
When is the last time you saw a Democrat even pay lip service to the idea of smaller government?
Because they know that smaller government just for the sake of smaller government is just as bad? A bad piece of government is a reason to fix it, not to have less government all around.
Yup, things are better with paper ballots.
Yes, they are, dumbass. As another poster pointed out, once they found the missing ballots you could have done a recount. Good luck doing that with electronic votes that aren't counted. And yes, there has always been fraud with paper or lever systems...but it has always taken a lot of work to do on more than a small scale. With electronic machines, you can swap hundreds of thousands of votes just by modifying a database.
My point is Gore is an inept moron who would probably put nukes in husseins lap.
Blah blah blah blah. Gore has spent almost his entire adult life in public service. Bush didn't get a job until he was fourty.
Neocon fucktard.
they totaly over look the shady practices the gore campain did.
Like what.
Their hatred for all things Bush has driven away any possibility of rational discourse.
I didn't know reasonable discourse was possible when Bush was involved.
The only deadline that matters is when Congress meets in January to count the electors votes, and yes there is prescience for it (wtf Gore's lawyers didn't bring it up, I don't know). In the 1960 election, Hawaii's votes were disputed, and the results were certified until the end of December, I believe (Googling for Kennedy and Hawaii just turns up a bunch of pages on WWII). So Florida had more than enough time to do a full, statewide recount.
I hate the way they've perverted the term "conservative".
What I like is how someone who would have been called conservative 10 years ago, would now be considered a moderate or even liberal.
...or they could be mixed up at the lab, like how a man named Rene Sanchez, arrested for DWI, has his prints mixed up with a drug dealer by the name of Leo Rosario. He got hauled into court numerous times because the cops were sure he was the other guy, and even went through deportation hearings before the records were finally fixed. I thought of this case and thought of Brazil. The NYTimes had a nice article on Mr. Sanchez, but unfortunately its in their archives now (i.e. they want you to pay to access the article).
If a PHD is only kept based on your ability to further science, then why don't they take them away from people with Alzheimer's?
A drivers license is a continuing permission from the state to drive a vehicle based on your health and history, or lack thereof, of drunk driving. You don't see Universities revoking doctorates from people no longer able to do research because of Alzheimer's or other diseases, the way glaucoma would with driving.
that doesn't change the fact that you come across as ignorant if you do.
Bzzt. I'm sure the kids made fun of the first guy to use a word with more than one syllable, too. You want to be a grammar nazi, go start your own damn language, and then you can keep it as pure as you want it to be.