Uh, no, that would the the one with the most market share.
Right now, computers based on Intel and x86 compatible CPUs outnumber everything else. And thus, they are the preferred platform for Linux.
Right, like Windows is the worlds most "prefered" operating system, just because its running on more machines than anything else.
And because of this, the question "which is the preferred platform for Linux?" is pointless: It's the platform you already own.
Just because you're running Linux on a 486 doesn't mean that the 486 is your prefered processor. I'm running a dual celeron but would prefer to have quad K7's.
Yeah, but back then you had once choice for an OS on those machines: Apple's, since the plug was pulled on the PPC version of NT and the OS/2 port didn't go anywhere.
people use what they have. Period. I have a dozen Intel boxen around that I use because I don't have to spend money on them -- I *have* spent it.
Of course nobody's going to throw away their old boxes, whats your point.
It doesn't matter that the market may suddenly swell a little with new PPCs that are less expensive than Apple boxes; it still entails SPENDING money instead of using what we already have.
Well, duh. New x86 computers cost money too.
The whole point is that if you're building a new Linux box you can go with an affordable RISC platform instead of just another Intel machine.
If you're talking about recycling old hardware, you should be able to use old hard drives without problems, and maybe your RAM and some PCI cards.
You are right, they can't do anything to prevent Darwin from being used on these machines. But they could make it so it would be difficult to MacOS X on em, as the GUI is still closed source.
Not that Apple would willingly put any of their OS's on it aside from maybe Darwin (they're still a hardware company). But it will hopefully mean faster development and adoption of PowerPC's.
I belive there were 350 mhz 604e's back in '97, when Mac clones were still around. Apple only moved to a 450 mhz within the last few months. If Power Computing and the others were still in the biz, we'd probably have 800 mhz G4's by now.
This is because when Apple killed cloning, they also took away a large incentive for IBM and Motorola to aggressivly develop the PowerPC for desktop systems. Motorola in particular was pissed off (and rightly so) becuase they were offering 5 year warraties on their line of SuperMacs when Apple cut em off; IBM also sublicensed the MacOS to other companies.
It will also be nice to have a low cost kickass RISC system for Linux. Hopefully Penguin or some other Linux OEM will jump on this in the next year or so.
price due to the fact that the PowerPC chip is more expensive to make?
PowerPC chips are much cheaper to build than x86 chips. As someone said below, cheaper to make doesn't mean cheaper to buy.
There are several vendors offering processor upgrades (non of them Apple), so there is competition, but the supply and demand isn't there. You don't have hundreds of OEM's buying millions of CPU's every year to bring the price down.
But I don't think that Apple would switch to XFS this late in the development cycle of OSX; it would be a major change in how the OS handles files and addopting XFS as default would delay X's release.
OTOH, maybe Apple got some inside info from SGI last year when Apple started to think about licensing OpenGL and will adopt XFS as default.
That he had a track reccord of getting things done and not allow for crappy two bit leaders like Hussein (Iraq) to go and tell him what to do?
Get a clue. We didn't attack Iraq because Saddam is a dictator or because he invaded Kuait(sp). Once the oil fields were free we got the hell out of there. What I love is how Bush encouraged the muslim minority (forget if they're Sunni or Shite) and the Kurds to fight Saddam, but left them to be slaghtered once we had our precious oil.
Yes, there were fuck ups during the Kosovo campaign, but at least we were there for the right reasons (even if it was about 6 years late).
> Hey, who said you were the one to make the law for your kids?
Oh, only mankind's entire evolutionary history, as well as some other species.
Just because something has been done for a very long time doesn't make it right. Slavery, female genital mutilation and acts of genocide have been around for a while too.
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It is my choice whether he is intelligent and mature enough in the first place.
My opinion on the matter and that of my wife are what will determine what freedoms we give our child.
As for shoving my "moral bullshit" down my children's throught... I'm a parent, that's my job. Where should they be getting their moral's from? TV? Friends?
This is all well and legal (not necessarily good), to be a GOOD parent you need to keep a few things in mind.
1. You are a human being, with thoughts, feelings and a brain. Remember that your kid is too, and don't treat him or her like your personal property.
2. If you are wrong about something, ADMIT IT AND APPOLOGIZE!
3. Telling them the full out truth is far better than sticking their heads in the sand. i.e. don't say "Jimmy, don't say the f-word!" Tell him exactly what it means so he knows exacly what it is and why its a dirty word.
300a celerons oc'd to 450 on a Tyan Tiger 100, running RH 6.0.
I had to get all new parts, so it came to around $1600 or so: 2 300a celerons, fans, 2 MSI converters, 128 mg ram, 17 gig IDE, ultra tnt2, floppy, cdrom, 17" monitor, soundcard, ethernet card.
I did an ftp installation of RH from ftp.cdrom.com; I did it from my school so it only took about forty minutes. The only problem I had installing linux was getting my TNT2 to work properly with X. Had to lynx newer drivers from nVidia. I ran the install script, reran setup and it works perfectly now.
I had one of my more knowledgable linux buddies help recompile my kernel for SMP. Turned off the computer, switched one of the jumpers on the MSI board (WATCH OUT! they are very easy to drop and lose!!!) to set the bus speed to 100 mhz and I have 450 mhz celerons.
My computer whoops ass in seti and I can run two copies of bladeenc at once with good performance. One other nice thing about dual cpu's- if Netscape or some other app takes a dumb, it has less of a chance of bogging down or crashing your system, becuase it can only take over one processor.
when I see a Star Wars movie is the lack of famous actors. I don't want to say, "hey! there's Captain Picard as Qui Gon!" or "there's the Terminator as head of security!"
I want to see charachters, not actors. Even if Leo has talent up the arse, he should NOT be in Star Wars for that reason alone.
The only way it would work is if he were in costume and his voice was modified so you'd have to watch the credits to find out who he was.
I would have blown this rumor off, except Lucas did cast Samuel L. Jackson in the TFM. Not that Jackson was bad at playing a Jedi Master, but "may the force be with you" lost something when falling from the lips of the hitman of Pulp Fiction.
The comedy in the first half of the movie felt forced and cheezy; i winced every time an attempt at hurmor was made.
As annoying as Jar Jar is, he doesn't hold a candle to C3-PO, who needs to be jibbed. I found myself wishing I was Magento (comic characher who controls magnetism) for three reasons: EMP all those attack droids, grab Darth Maul's blade with my bare hands and yank it away from him, and to kill C3-PO in 1000 different ways. Don't think he's that bad? Go watch ESB.
The super jumps were bad (jumping onto the spaceship's ramp, the catwalk). To quote Elaine, "fake, fake, fake...."
The pod race and the final fight with Darth Maul were easily the best in the movie.
What they did to Darth Maul was a crime. He should have had a larger role in the movie, survived to the next one or had another 2 or 3 (or 4 or 5) fight sceens.
Papaltine/Darth Sidieous is the worst kept secret of the movie- I spotted him the first time I saw the trailer.
Jedi Consol is made up of pricks- if they don't train Anakin, isn't here a risk that a dark Jedi could recruit him?
They should have left out the driods- Obi Wan and Darth Vader would both would have recognized them, especially since Anakin built C3-PO (bs bs bs).
The "oops, I guess I just fired some torpedoes and blew up the station" was more bs. If the computer was giving him targeting info it would have been much more belivable, but it would have been better still if he provided crucial backup (like the Falcon in ANH) to the other fighters.
Common Katz, Lucas has done very little to hype the movie. A few tv adds, a couple trailers, some books and action figures. 95% of the hype is generated by fans and the media, which he has no control over.
And its not like cheap crap wasn't produced from the first three movies. I recall trashing a Falcon when I was a wee lad; it was a POS. Of course, it'd probably be worth $300 today if I'd left it in the packaging.:)
If you want to see hype, look at Disney movies or Godzilla.
Not to mention that while computers have deathmatches over the net, consoles have deathmatches with the players right next to each other, a great party thing!
Oh yes, fighting over who gets to play next, dividing an analog TV screen in two (or four, if you're masochistic).
Contrast that to a 15 player tribes game with everybody in the same room.....
I find it sorta funny that you're complaining about it being an "expensive toy"... isn't the gaming driving the PC hardware industry as we speak?
True, but once the computer can't play the latest greatest games, but you can take a five year old PC and install Linux/BSD on it and use it for a web/file/mail server.
What are you going to do with an the orgional NES or Genesis?
What wouold be really cool is if Sony added a monitor port, enabled DVD playback and released the specs for the hardware. Then you could use it as a cheap, powerful Linux box.:)
Or, when I want to play multiplayer, I'd take a console anyday (far more fun to slug someone sitting next to you then to "T"alk over a network).
Have you ever heard of LAN parties? Why squeeze a two player game onto a TV screen when you can blow up 12 of your friends in the same room in deathmatch?
This is so me. I never realized that this was so common; in middle and high school I felt so alone. I was constantly harrased, tormented, and abused constantly in grades 6-10, and spent many nights thinking it would all be so much easier to bear if I was dead.
I never entertained any serious thoughts of suicde or murder because the abuse was mostly verbal; I was never really beaten up, only pushed around. But if that had happend on a regular basis, I gaurantee you that I would have killed myself, one of the bullies, or both.
My most common dream was writting up a huge list of all the people in the school system who treated me like shit at one point or another. I would make a copy of this list for each individual in question, and mail it to them. Then I would take a nice big shotgun and blow my brains out in front of a class, just like in that Perl Jam song. Or, I would climb to the top of the school's gym the night before a pep rally, and right in the middle of it I would hang myself 15 feet above the floor.
Within the next couple of days, all the people on my list would recieve my nice little letter. YOU killed me, it would read. Its YOUR fault I'm dead.
Teachers and other school officials turned a blind eye for the most part. I can recall several situations where the teachers ignored my complaints, told me to sort it out or just gave the bully a "talking to". No real action was ever taken. You were expected to resolve conflicts yourself. "Boys will be boys" they would say.
The other half of it is all the bullshit they fill your head with starting in kindergarden. It takes two to start a fight. Two wrongs don't make a right. If you want them to stop, just tell them that you don't like it and its not funny (best way to get beat up fast is to do this).
K-12 can be ablsolute fucking hell on earth. In some ways I think it would almost be easier in a Nazi concentration camp. There, you know who the bad guy is. Its not your peers who are supposed to be your friends, and its not the teachers who are supposed to look out for you.
Now I'm 20 and am a sophomore in college. I get bad grades and don't have many friends. I will probably be fucked up for life because of public education, and there are a lot of others here who are in the same boat.
The one and only thing that preserved a shred of my sanity sanity was home. My parents are both loners who like to read and were never part of the "popular crowd." Oh, and it didn't hurt that they made sure that I knew that I was loved. I know others here aren't so lucky, but if I hadn't had this much I would be dead right now.
Now, before I get everyone too depressed with all this wonderful nostalgia, lets all go count our paychecks (for those who are employed) and and rent "Revenge of the Nerds."
Oh yea, and EVERYONE has a top-of-the-line G3?
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What makes me laugh is that Carmack says a 400Mhz G3 = 400Mhz P2, as far as CPU is concerned.
Using Spec for benchmarking Mac's and PC's is as bad as Bytemarks. I hope that wasn't what he was using.
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ow, I don't know about a PIII with programs written to take advantage of the new instructions.
A Mac magazine and (I belive) PC world did some testing with P3 enhanced Photoshop filters and the G3 (400) still whumped the P3 (500).
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...the platform most widely available.
Uh, no, that would the the one with the most market share.
Right now, computers based on Intel and x86 compatible CPUs outnumber everything else. And thus, they are the preferred platform for Linux.
Right, like Windows is the worlds most "prefered" operating system, just because its running on more machines than anything else.
And because of this, the question "which is the preferred platform for Linux?" is pointless: It's the platform you already own.
Just because you're running Linux on a 486 doesn't mean that the 486 is your prefered processor. I'm running a dual celeron but would prefer to have quad K7's.
Yeah, but back then you had once choice for an OS on those machines: Apple's, since the plug was pulled on the PPC version of NT and the OS/2 port didn't go anywhere.
people use what they have. Period. I have a dozen Intel boxen around that I use because I don't have to spend money on them -- I *have* spent it.
Of course nobody's going to throw away their old boxes, whats your point.
It doesn't matter that the market may suddenly swell a little with new PPCs that are less expensive than Apple boxes; it still entails SPENDING money instead of using what we already have.
Well, duh. New x86 computers cost money too.
The whole point is that if you're building a new Linux box you can go with an affordable RISC platform instead of just another Intel machine.
If you're talking about recycling old hardware, you should be able to use old hard drives without problems, and maybe your RAM and some PCI cards.
You are right, they can't do anything to prevent Darwin from being used on these machines. But they could make it so it would be difficult to MacOS X on em, as the GUI is still closed source.
Not that Apple would willingly put any of their OS's on it aside from maybe Darwin (they're still a hardware company). But it will hopefully mean faster development and adoption of PowerPC's.
I belive there were 350 mhz 604e's back in '97, when Mac clones were still around. Apple only moved to a 450 mhz within the last few months. If Power Computing and the others were still in the biz, we'd probably have 800 mhz G4's by now.
This is because when Apple killed cloning, they also took away a large incentive for IBM and Motorola to aggressivly develop the PowerPC for desktop systems. Motorola in particular was pissed off (and rightly so) becuase they were offering 5 year warraties on their line of SuperMacs when Apple cut em off; IBM also sublicensed the MacOS to other companies.
It will also be nice to have a low cost kickass RISC system for Linux. Hopefully Penguin or some other Linux OEM will jump on this in the next year or so.
price due to the fact that the PowerPC chip is more expensive to make?
PowerPC chips are much cheaper to build than x86 chips. As someone said below, cheaper to make doesn't mean cheaper to buy.
There are several vendors offering processor upgrades (non of them Apple), so there is competition, but the supply and demand isn't there. You don't have hundreds of OEM's buying millions of CPU's every year to bring the price down.
But I don't think that Apple would switch to XFS this late in the development cycle of OSX; it would be a major change in how the OS handles files and addopting XFS as default would delay X's release.
OTOH, maybe Apple got some inside info from SGI last year when Apple started to think about licensing OpenGL and will adopt XFS as default.
That he had a track reccord of getting things done and not allow for crappy two bit leaders like Hussein (Iraq) to go and tell him what to do?
Get a clue. We didn't attack Iraq because Saddam is a dictator or because he invaded Kuait(sp). Once the oil fields were free we got the hell out of there. What I love is how Bush encouraged the muslim minority (forget if they're Sunni or Shite) and the Kurds to fight Saddam, but left them to be slaghtered once we had our precious oil.
Yes, there were fuck ups during the Kosovo campaign, but at least we were there for the right reasons (even if it was about 6 years late).
> Hey, who said you were the one to make the law for your kids?
Oh, only mankind's entire evolutionary history, as well as some other species.
Just because something has been done for a very long time doesn't make it right. Slavery, female genital mutilation and acts of genocide have been around for a while too.
a few snips:
It is my choice whether he is intelligent and mature enough in the first place.
My opinion on the matter and that of my wife are what will determine what freedoms we give our child.
As for shoving my "moral bullshit" down my children's throught... I'm a parent, that's my job. Where should they be getting their moral's from? TV? Friends?
This is all well and legal (not necessarily good), to be a GOOD parent you need to keep a few things in mind.
1. You are a human being, with thoughts, feelings and a brain. Remember that your kid is too, and don't treat him or her like your personal property.
2. If you are wrong about something, ADMIT IT AND APPOLOGIZE!
3. Telling them the full out truth is far better than sticking their heads in the sand. i.e. don't say "Jimmy, don't say the f-word!" Tell him exactly what it means so he knows exacly what it is and why its a dirty word.
300a celerons oc'd to 450 on a Tyan Tiger 100, running RH 6.0.
I had to get all new parts, so it came to around $1600 or so: 2 300a celerons, fans, 2 MSI converters, 128 mg ram, 17 gig IDE, ultra tnt2, floppy, cdrom, 17" monitor, soundcard, ethernet card.
I did an ftp installation of RH from ftp.cdrom.com; I did it from my school so it only took about forty minutes. The only problem I had installing linux was getting my TNT2 to work properly with X. Had to lynx newer drivers from nVidia. I ran the install script, reran setup and it works perfectly now.
I had one of my more knowledgable linux buddies help recompile my kernel for SMP. Turned off the computer, switched one of the jumpers on the MSI board (WATCH OUT! they are very easy to drop and lose!!!) to set the bus speed to 100 mhz and I have 450 mhz celerons.
My computer whoops ass in seti and I can run two copies of bladeenc at once with good performance. One other nice thing about dual cpu's- if Netscape or some other app takes a dumb, it has less of a chance of bogging down or crashing your system, becuase it can only take over one processor.
when I see a Star Wars movie is the lack of famous actors. I don't want to say, "hey! there's Captain Picard as Qui Gon!" or "there's the Terminator as head of security!"
I want to see charachters, not actors. Even if Leo has talent up the arse, he should NOT be in Star Wars for that reason alone.
The only way it would work is if he were in costume and his voice was modified so you'd have to watch the credits to find out who he was.
I would have blown this rumor off, except Lucas did cast Samuel L. Jackson in the TFM. Not that Jackson was bad at playing a Jedi Master, but "may the force be with you" lost something when falling from the lips of the hitman of Pulp Fiction.
The comedy in the first half of the movie felt forced and cheezy; i winced every time an attempt at hurmor was made.
:)
As annoying as Jar Jar is, he doesn't hold a candle to C3-PO, who needs to be jibbed. I found myself wishing I was Magento (comic characher who controls magnetism) for three reasons: EMP all those attack droids, grab Darth Maul's blade with my bare hands and yank it away from him, and to kill C3-PO in 1000 different ways. Don't think he's that bad? Go watch ESB.
The super jumps were bad (jumping onto the spaceship's ramp, the catwalk). To quote Elaine, "fake, fake, fake...."
The pod race and the final fight with Darth Maul were easily the best in the movie.
What they did to Darth Maul was a crime. He should have had a larger role in the movie, survived to the next one or had another 2 or 3 (or 4 or 5) fight sceens.
Papaltine/Darth Sidieous is the worst kept secret of the movie- I spotted him the first time I saw the trailer.
Jedi Consol is made up of pricks- if they don't train Anakin, isn't here a risk that a dark Jedi could recruit him?
They should have left out the driods- Obi Wan and Darth Vader would both would have recognized them, especially since Anakin built C3-PO (bs bs bs).
The "oops, I guess I just fired some torpedoes and blew up the station" was more bs. If the computer was giving him targeting info it would have been much more belivable, but it would have been better still if he provided crucial backup (like the Falcon in ANH) to the other fighters.
Natalie Portman is hot.
its always fun to nitpick the nitpickers.... :)
riddle me this then. Why didn't they use said breathing devices in the room full of poison gas?
Maybe because its easier to hold your breath while standing still than diving down a couple hundered feet to a submerged city?
Common Katz, Lucas has done very little to hype the movie. A few tv adds, a couple trailers, some books and action figures. 95% of the hype is generated by fans and the media, which he has no control over.
:)
And its not like cheap crap wasn't produced from the first three movies. I recall trashing a Falcon when I was a wee lad; it was a POS. Of course, it'd probably be worth $300 today if I'd left it in the packaging.
If you want to see hype, look at Disney movies or Godzilla.
Not to mention that while computers have deathmatches over the net, consoles have deathmatches with the players right next to each other, a great party thing!
Oh yes, fighting over who gets to play next, dividing an analog TV screen in two (or four, if you're masochistic).
Contrast that to a 15 player tribes game with everybody in the same room.....
I find it sorta funny that you're complaining about it being an "expensive toy"... isn't the gaming driving the PC hardware industry as we speak?
:)
True, but once the computer can't play the latest greatest games, but you can take a five year old PC and install Linux/BSD on it and use it for a web/file/mail server.
What are you going to do with an the orgional NES or Genesis?
What wouold be really cool is if Sony added a monitor port, enabled DVD playback and released the specs for the hardware. Then you could use it as a cheap, powerful Linux box.
Or, when I want to play multiplayer, I'd take a console anyday (far more fun to slug someone sitting next to you then to "T"alk over a network).
Have you ever heard of LAN parties? Why squeeze a two player game onto a TV screen when you can blow up 12 of your friends in the same room in deathmatch?
for domain sqwatting to end. It is extremely frustrating to look for a company's web site and some squatter has it.
Dude, you're an AC, you posts always start at 0....
Nothing was wrong with this guys post, but it doesn't deserve a level 2 rating, much less 3! Whats up with that?
I think this must be some secret plot by old George to lower our expectations of the movie. Why else would they suck so bad?
"There are things I cannot do" blah blah blah "It will be a hard life" blah blah blah "Don't look back" blah blah blah........
Okay Lucas, you had us fooled. Now bring out that kickass movie. =:-)
This is so me. I never realized that this was so common; in middle and high school I felt so alone. I was constantly harrased, tormented, and abused constantly in grades 6-10, and spent many nights thinking it would all be so much easier to bear if I was dead.
I never entertained any serious thoughts of suicde or murder because the abuse was mostly verbal; I was never really beaten up, only pushed around. But if that had happend on a regular basis, I gaurantee you that I would have killed myself, one of the bullies, or both.
My most common dream was writting up a huge list of all the people in the school system who treated me like shit at one point or another. I would make a copy of this list for each individual in question, and mail it to them. Then I would take a nice big shotgun and blow my brains out in front of a class, just like in that Perl Jam song. Or, I would climb to the top of the school's gym the night before a pep rally, and right in the middle of it I would hang myself 15 feet above the floor.
Within the next couple of days, all the people on my list would recieve my nice little letter. YOU killed me, it would read. Its YOUR fault I'm dead.
Teachers and other school officials turned a blind eye for the most part. I can recall several situations where the teachers ignored my complaints, told me to sort it out or just gave the bully a "talking to". No real action was ever taken. You were expected to resolve conflicts yourself. "Boys will be boys" they would say.
The other half of it is all the bullshit they fill your head with starting in kindergarden. It takes two to start a fight. Two wrongs don't make a right. If you want them to stop, just tell them that you don't like it and its not funny (best way to get beat up fast is to do this).
K-12 can be ablsolute fucking hell on earth. In some ways I think it would almost be easier in a Nazi concentration camp. There, you know who the bad guy is. Its not your peers who are supposed to be your friends, and its not the teachers who are supposed to look out for you.
Now I'm 20 and am a sophomore in college. I get bad grades and don't have many friends. I will probably be fucked up for life because of public education, and there are a lot of others here who are in the same boat.
The one and only thing that preserved a shred of my sanity sanity was home. My parents are both loners who like to read and were never part of the "popular crowd." Oh, and it didn't hurt that they made sure that I knew that I was loved. I know others here aren't so lucky, but if I hadn't had this much I would be dead right now.
Now, before I get everyone too depressed with all this wonderful nostalgia, lets all go count our paychecks (for those who are employed) and and rent "Revenge of the Nerds."
What makes me laugh is that Carmack says a 400Mhz G3 = 400Mhz P2, as far as CPU is concerned.
Using Spec for benchmarking Mac's and PC's is as bad as Bytemarks. I hope that wasn't what he was using.
ow, I don't know about a PIII with programs written to take advantage of the new instructions.
A Mac magazine and (I belive) PC world did some testing with P3 enhanced Photoshop filters and the G3 (400) still whumped the P3 (500).