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on from the jar-jar-is-sounding-better dept.
Cortices writes "Here is a story recently posted on aint-it-cool-news telling of a rumor that Leo DiCaprio would be playing Anakin Skywalker in the next Star Wars movie. Opinions seem to be mixed on the subject but I for one am not all that crazy about the idea. "
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Re:Leo ... on stilts?
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Everyone's overlooking that Lucas had an artist do drawings of Ewan to see if he'd look anything like Alec at that age.
DiCaprio looks nothing like Jake Lloyd and even less like Sebastian Shaw. *Thankfully* the same can be said for the blonde guy in Dawson.
You need a 20-something with chubby cheeks. Hmmm...maybe I should audition. Nope too short, only 5'11".
Jake Lloyd has a contract for all three movies.
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"For Lloyd, their management strategy has, thus far, paid off with a three picture deal with 20th Century Fox."
If Jake's going to be in all three movies, what other character would he be playing then?!
Seb.
Re:Jake Lloyd has a contract for all three movies.
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It says he has a three-picture deal. It does not specify that those three pictures are all Star Wars movies. He could be playing Helen Hunt's son in some sappy flick next year, you know.
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If they will allow Leo De'Qeer to be in the movie, i bet you they will loose 30% of the visitors.
ROTFLOL....
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I can't stop laughing... just think for a moment of the following scene... Keanu Reeves as Darth Vader, saying (in typical Keanu accent) "Luke, I am your father."
Re:Read the whole post, big shooter
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Jish
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Well I don't even know what you are reading because that is not what I was saying....
I was stating that I think that a lot of the responses to TPM have been stupid. I am not saying any of you are stupid, I am merely saying that in my opinion the reasoning behind a lot of the posts are.
You seem to want to believe that I was calling you all morons but I was not so I think you are the one who should try actually reading the words in my post
Re:The lack of maturity of slashdotters
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julius
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When I was a kid I thought the Ewoks were cool, I had all the toys. Now I see my fault... but I've certainly gotten used to them. They've become a part of the story too. At least they don't try to 'spake':p
Good transition to the Dark Side ;-)
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nate.sammons
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At least it would be clear that Anikin is moving to the Dark Side if DiCrapio plays him;-)
Well, how about we add another movie where he did a wonderful job? What's Eating Gilbert Grape, IMHO, was one of his best acting jobs yet. I think it was a very demaning role, because it was hard to really get into such a bizarre character. [side note: I liken that to Tim Curry's wonderful portayal of FrankNFurter in the movie version of Rocky Horror Picture Show--both of them were weird, irregular characters, so almost everything about them had to be created by the actor.]
So, two good movies for him? Two bad ones? Two good ones early in his career, two bad ones later on? How much you wanna bet he made more money on each of the bad ones than he did on the two good ones combined?
I must admit that I don't know the guy's work that well--how many other movies does he have under his belt?
I wish that the rumors are just that...rumors. I never liked Leo as an actor. To me, the only reason that he does as well as he does is that he makes the young girls wet. I won't say that his acting is bad, but it never did anything for me. Half the time if you were to ask me to name some young male actors, and I don't remember him. I think that George Lucas could find a better choice than him for the older Anakin. I'll still go and see ep2 in the theater, and if done right, I'll probally enjoy it. Hell, he might finally turn out all right in this one. Mark Hamil, the whiny scrawny blond, didn't do to bad in his later years as an actor. Maybe Leo might mature as his boyinh looks start to fail him
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I agree -- in fact, Leo would probably be an excellent choice. If you've seen _What's_Eating_Gilbert_Grape_ or _This_Boys_Life_, you know that he has talent. He could do a brilliant job as a hero falling to the Dark Side.
And as far as attracting teen-age girls, I'm sure he will. Financially, I don't think Lucas could make a better choice. There will be a love story with Anakin and his wife. Why not cast someone you know up front has the sex appeal to make a billion dollar movie?? I wouldn't even be surprised if Kate Winslet was brought in also as the future Mrs. Skywalker. If recastings work for Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan, it should work for Leo and Kate as well. Once again, "True love, pre-destined to end in tragedy..."
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Re:The lack of maturity of slashdotters
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MrChumple
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Amen to that. I think that you 'average slashdotters' are really being immature about the movie. You seem to have been drooling for it for months, (even years), and then when it comes out, you can't find anything better to do than to complain about it. Jar jar this, and annakin that, and not enough maul, or character dev., midiclorians, blah blah blah. Grow up, you whiners. Star Wars after all is just a movie. It's not a religion - and it's not perfect, but no movie is. Just suspend your disbelief, and your cynicism, and enjoy it for what it is.
I have yet to see a more ingenious story line than Star Wars, and TPM fits into the other three movies pretty well.
In my opinion, TPM is awesome. I think that George Lucas has shown the world that you can make a great movie without having to overload it with profanity, nudity, or violence. The movie was great, and if you don't think so, maybe you should see it again.
I hope not. I haven't seen that many movies of Leo's, but I haven't been particularly impressed.
He just doesn't strike me as the young adult version of Anakin Skywalker, unless Anakin is supposed to come off as whining, everyone wished he would get killed type. -- Winston Yen
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Re:Gack!!!
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i thought he did a excellant job in Basketball Diaries...
I agree that Luke was a whiney brat, but for some reason or other, I didn't wish that he got killed. Sometimes I would wish that he'd shut up, but not die.:)
Anyway, is Anakin supposed to be like Luke exactly? I haven't kept up with all the books, rumors, etc. that might have shed a little more light on young Anakin, but I always thought of him as being more on the cocky, overconfident side. Something like the character of Maverick from TopGun, except instead of bouncing back from a bad situation, he slips over to the Dark Side. (I guess I'm getting this impression from Obi-Wan's comment saying Luke's father was a great fighter pilot in Star Wars.)
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The only movie that I've seen him actually do a credible acting job in was "What's Eating Gilbert Grape" (about 1995?) and he was excellent as the "challenged" brother of Johnny Depp. It's obvious that he can act, I just wonder why he doesn't. I guess all the underwear that hits him in the head (thrown by 13-year old girls) makes it hard to concentrate on the job that the producers pay him millions of $$ to do.
As has been mentioned already, this is one of the few things that George could do to completely alienate his fans (besides that spin-off TV series he's working on entitled "Jar Jar and Erkel save the Universe")
-- If only "common" sense was actually that common...
... unless Anakin is supposed to come off as whining, everyone wished he would get killed type.
Okay, and this is different from Luke Skywalker how? Before you all swell up with righteous indignation, let us all remember that Luke was a whiney brat. C'mon...you all remember him whining to Uncle Owen about getting some power converters.
Personally I think that Leo is actually a very good actor, but at the same time, I can't imagine him being Annakin for even a second. This is going to be a mighty difficult role to cast I suspect...
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It is a pity. I think it is a very well done movie although with some extra effort built into it to cause naive girls to cry, but still a very good movie, with very good camera work, acting, costumes and plot.
If you are not one of them snseless DeCaprio hate club members you should definitely see it
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Just a rumor
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Anonymous Coward
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There is a story on Jedinet.com that tells that Nardo was at the Skywalker Ranch to see the movie, not for casting.
Re:Jar Jar...
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Anonymous Coward
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He WAS fighting pretty effectively with his Drunken Master style...
Re:This helps the plot.....
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gavinhall
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Posted by funk311:
Isn't Leo the ultimate source of evil in the universe anyway?
"you've smoked yourself retarded"
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gavinhall
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Posted by majestic1:
Casting abilities?????? HAHHA.. what about young anakin in the phantom menace.. you call THAT good casting? the rumor i heard was that they called him manakin skywalker on the set.. he was a robot, a block of wood..
Re:"you've smoked yourself retarded"
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Trepidity
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Hmm, I liked Anakin's acting job in the movie. Perhaps I'm just odd. I thought he did a good job of portraying the "good" side that Vader will lose.
As for acting childish, an 8-year-old is not supposed to act mature.
SW fans laugh out loud at Leonardo
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esnible
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A preview for DiCaprio's next movie, I think _The Beach_, played on opening day before TPM. SW fans laughed out loud at the trailer least three times during close-ups of DiCaprio emoting.
I did too, and I had no problems with his work in Titanic or Celebrity.
Hey come on... you all have this idea that Leo is some girlie boy who isn't even a decent actor. Well have you ever seen What's Eating Gilbert Grape? He played that retarded boy like he was retarded himself in real life.
So come on... give him a chance... you're probably all just jealous.
Re:Leo's not so bad...
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Anonymous Coward
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>He played that retarded boy like he was retarded > himself in real life.
A bit TOO convincing, if you ask me....
put the crack pipe down!
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gavinhall
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Posted by majestic1:
Next time you post, make sure to let yourself come off the drugs.
Leo is a Sprout Faced boy. Say no more. Let's face it though, we're all going to go and see it even if it does have him in it - just like we're all going to go and see Episode 1 even if it gets absolutely rubbish reviews.
Maybe not a boat per se, but a (star)ship perhaps?
*grin*
Re:Amazing!
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But an actor that could pass for both teen (ep2) and adult (ep3) is needed. He fits the bill. Shudder.
Re:You know you love it...
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But the Ewoks and Jar-Jar ARE annoying. NO-ONE likes either of them.
The people who say "Lucas can't please everyone" don't seem to get this point : everyone _would_ be pleased if Lucas didn't turn the films into the muppet-show.
The queenie already has a contract for the next 2 movies, doesn't she? So it will look really stupid if the queen is 17 and Anakin is 7 in one movie, and then in the next movie Anakin is 25 and the queen is 19. I know we have to suspend disbelief with sci fi, but something like that is just way too far out to happen. It's just a rumor; I doubt they'd get someone as old as Leo to play Anakin if they're going to use the same queen.
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Re:That won't make any sense
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It makes PERFECT sense. They're going to fight the Clone Wars, right? Well, it turns out the Queen was cloned. And clones have an anti-meta-chloride symbiosis that retards aging, but then speeds it up later. In this movie, he's 9, she's 19. In the next movie he'll be 25 and she'll be 20, in the last movie the aging kicks in and he's 30, while she's 99 and pregnant with twins. Anakin is so disgusted that he turns to the Dark Side.
I've heard that the old lady from the Titanic will play the Queen in Episode III.
Errr.... what would you do?
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I'm not suprised at the nitpicking (hrrm... open source movie bugfixing?), but not because of the "maturity level" of Slashdot. It's more because of the nature of the medium in general.
We've been conditioned to naturally reject the (admittedly, not always) AOL "me too" syndrome. It seems to me that a lot of people are posting problems with the movie not because they hated it, but because there's no point at all in even posting an "I liked it" comment. There's no signal, just more noise to ignore.
Wow, I sound so clinical... Jar Jar annoys the hell out of me, but that doesn't mean that I didn't really enjoy TPM.:) Overall, I thought it was great.
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Well, it's obviously not true, but...
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Adar
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First off, it's pretty obvious it isn't going to happen. Leo is 12-13 years older than the role, Lucas hasn't even begun to cast yet (the script would probably need to be finished before that happened, wouldn't it?), and all he actually did was see a movie at a ranch. No big deal.
Where I *would* want to see him, though, is Episode III. The age difference wouldn't be as important, the guy can definitely play evil (Man in the Iron Mask), and he does have an imposing presence when the role asks for it (again, Iron Mask.) Besides, he'd get minimum screen time anyway (most of the time he'd presumably be behind a mask.)
BTW, for those obsessing over future plot lines, they will almost certainly, IMO, be summed up by Anakin's feelings:
Episode 1: Fear Episode 2: Anger, Hate (I think I can guess why. Guess we'll have to wait and see...) Episode 3: Suffering (I think this should be more than just the lava, but again, I guess we'll have to wait and see)
Re:The lack of maturity of slashdotters
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julius
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Right on. Jar Jar = C3P0 = supporting 'actor' that is anoying, but becomes a part of the thing that is Star Wars.
And as far as 'Leo' is concerned, my girlfriend made a good point. When did George Lucas ever pick a "Famous" person for a role in Star Wars. From what I've heard, Samuel L. Jackson begged to be in the movie, so Lucas let him have that little piece of a part. And we all saw what that did to the movie. By that I don't mean it made the movie horrible, but for a second it took you out of the story and made you realize it was a movie. I think Lucas has more sense than to do that again. Or at least I hope he does.
Re:You forgot Sir Alec Guiness
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Stormie
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What can I say? I think that Sir Alec Guiness saved Episode IV from being a simple shoot-em-up, blow-up-things-in-space movie. Ford was fun, but Guiness made it all seem more meaningful.
Lucas' best casting came from his trawling of Hammer Horror films for Episode IV. Peter Cushing as Grand Moff Tarkin and David Prowse as Darth Vader? Who could ask for a better pair of villains!
Gem of trivia I accidentally found on the Internet Movie Database -> David Prowse played Hotblack Desiato's bodyguard in The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy! Amazing!
Jar Jar doesn't look so bad now, eh?
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Trunks
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Wouldn't it be funny if Lucas decided to get back at all the Jar Jar bashing (he's NOT for the older age groups, yet people can't seem to accept that) by casting Leo for Anakin. If this WAS true, I bet everyone would turn around and start yelling "WE LOVE JAR JAR.":) Lucas has also said that Episode 2 was supposed to be the "romantic" one...maybe he's thinking he could use Leo to draw all the ladies to watch...worked for Titanic after all.
The really really bad thing would be if Lucas does cast him, he'd be in both Ep2 and Ep3. Ick! The bright side (if you can call it that) of Leo being casted is that we see him fall into a molten pit in Ep3.:) He's not big enough to be Vader I think anyway, way too scrawny.
Re:Jar Jar doesn't look so bad now, eh?
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Get off it, I liked Jar Jar.
This was a clean, good movie, if it didn't live up to your wet-dreams about it, that's your problem, Personally, I just avoided all the hype and enjoyed the movie, it was funny, and the acting was good (for the important roles, at least).
Was it a oscar winning, in-depth movie? No, but who cares what Oscar thinks? If Lucas stays true-to-form, the second will be a bit more mature, (and romantic), and the final will be darker, and more serious.
But Don't You See The Logic?
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richone
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Darth Vader is pure evil...who better to play pure evil than that evil bastar^H^H^H^H^H actor. This casting is pure genius...someone who we can really, really hate.
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What's the problem?
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I honestly don't understand what the problem with Leonardo DiCaprio is. And after reading the discussion, I still don't know, and now I think I must be the only one who doesn't know. So teenage girls are obsessed with him, the media is obsessed with him. Isn't he a good actor? Is there a reason he's so wrong for the part?
I don't personally care whether he is in the movie or not. I'm just trying to understand why everyone else does care.
Re:What's the problem?
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With all well known actors we tend to view them as an icon with a set persona. I doubt I could watch EP2 without thinking of Titanic or Romeo and Juliet. I admit, he is a good actor (and 27 or so now), but this would not be a good choice. It would definitely hurt the story because of the star factor. Now, if this was an action movie with a story that did not matter at all, no one would care (see all movies with Arnie or Bruce Willis in them).
*BaronCarlos thought that George Lucas didn't want type cast actors playing the roles of his Saga/Drama.* Leo, is just that, a type cast punk. Me thinks that this is a viscious rumor in the wake of the premier of the Phantom Menace.
And, someone correct me if I'm wrong, The Second feature is already in development. Correct? *Carlos: Exit Stage Right*
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Typecast actors?!? He didn't want typecast actors!?!? When I saw Samuel L. Jackson all I could think about was his biblical line in Pulp Fiction. "The boy is dangerous. You won't train him, Qui-Gon. If you try to train him without the counsel's permission, then you will know my name is the lord when I lay my vengance upon thee."
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You're right. Jackson is a bit typecast. What movies do you remember him from? Pulp Fiction? Probably. The Long Kiss Goodnight? It was a pretty memorable performanace. Jackie Brown? Some people might. Jurassic Park? Doubtful. Amos & Andrew? Uhhhh... You remember Jackson for the gangster roles.
Like Josh, I kept getting distracted by Jackson in TPM. Every time he had a line, I kept expecting him to say something like "Yeah, Chewbacca's got a hair problem; he's got a big motherf***ing hair problem. But what's the brother gonna do? He's a wookie." Maybe not that line exactly, but there's a cadence to Jackson's speech that makes his performances memorable. Admit it: Samuel L. Jackson is very good at swearing.
Ruling out DiCaprio (however nice a thought it might be) purely on the basis of typecast actors not being cast for a Star Wars movie is purely wishful thinking.
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Re:Wait a minute!
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If your only exposure to DiCaprio was Titanic, than sure, you're going to be hell bent on killing him before he ruins Episode 2. If, however, you have seen his other work, you, like me, will be sceptical but not horrified. If you've seen "Basketball Diaries," "This Boys Life," or "What's Eating Gilbert Grape," DiCaprio distinguishes himself as a great actor for someone his age. Lucas has always said, "I don't cast stars, I make them" so I have a feeling if DiCaprio is going to be in the movie, it will be a sort-of cameo like Samuel Jackson in Ep1. You never know though, he does look like he could be the father of Luke.
Hey... why not Rob Malda... he's not as well known as say Leo, but I'm sure that you'll get nothing but 110% from him. He will become well known for being the Anakin Skywalker that goes to the Dark Side and will subsequently never get any other movie offers, but at least he'll have his site to fall back on.
Actually, that's not a bad idea. I mean casting someone who isn't a Hollywood symbol. Imagine pulling in actors who aren't known, but are fans of the films. Not the superfans, the regular folks who just happen to be actors. It might be easier to film each movie. The actors are already familiar with the storyline, and might be able to grasp Lucas' vision while staying the in realm of good acting.
Based on the previous posts I've seen since the movie came out, it seems that the actors were not that bad. They might not have been able to deviate from Lucas' vision of the charaters. Therefore being gyped out of modifying or even ad-libing their roles. I'm not precisely sure how Lucas operates, but the message has been broadcasted in many postings and articles that he does not allow contrary opinions to his vision. Would any of us be any different? After working on some small time college films and professional theater, everyone wants add their input. I've wanted to help out a director from making a huge blunder, but it doesn't reach a director who has a clear idea. A movie is similiar to most other forms of expression As a previous poster mentioned, everyone does want to have a movie for THEM. It never works. It's like 1.5 million people trying to create a painting. On the opposite end, as a fan it is nice to have a filmaker cater a little bit to my sense of nostaglia and make a film like 'The way it was'. We should probably let go a little bit of the critic and remember how the child in us would look at it. It takes awhile, since most of us have to sift through 16 years of movie experience and/or drivel. Remember folks, we still have two movies to go. Let's try to silence the unsubstanciated(sp?) rumor mill until it is time.
Do you people *like* Mark Hamill?
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You folks are so worried about a pretty boy potentially playing the future Darth Vader, when the likes of Mark Hamill whined his way through episodes 4 - 6? Hamill's voice cracked, he was 2-dimensional and the character came off as a spoiled little kid trying too hard to please in one scene, caring only for himself in another.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of the series. (I have the added bonus of being old enough to have seen the original release of Episode 4 in the theatre without my mommy and daddy.) But know enough to expect only certain things from any Star Wars flick -- shallowness of character, reluctant heroes, special effects, and a few pretty faces. This ain't a gourmet meal, folks, it's movie McDonald's!
Leo's not my favorite for the future part, but considering the acts he has to follow...it certainly isn't worth punishing yourself and staying home for the remaining prequels.
As George Lucas himself said; "It really is only a movie."
if i recall correctly (and it's been a while so i might not), Mark Hamill's contract was for 4 movies. 3 as Luke and 1 as an unspecified other character.
I dont think we'll be seeing him in the next one, but maybe he'll be Anakin in #3.
of course, it's also possible he'll be sitting next to Willow at the pod races when Anakin shows up to free the slaves.
personally, i think i'll wait until the next movie comes out before i start worrying about it.
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Re:well then how do they know what they are saying
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what are you talking about... singers don't need to understand what they are saying!!!! its just sounds they are emitting, while it is easier to sing something you can understand it is not a necessity...
i wouldnt write this off so quick. i imagine 90% of the posts to this thread will be "leo decrapio" and some reference to the old lady in titanic. but i think we've all seen lucas' casting abilites enough to be able to tell he wont make this decision if it will be a poor one. we have also seen his directing abilities enough to be able to say that if anyone can turn leo into a good actor, he can. im not saying he's the best actor for the job.. im just saying.. who can play a teenage anikin well? i cant think of one good teenage white male actor. (and i think george did a great job with jake lloyd. or he got lucky..)
The Last I heard was that Elijah Wood had been confirmed as Frodo in Peter Jackson's upcoming adaption of Tolkien's The Lord Of The Rings. If THAT's true, it'lll blow away Star Wars (sorry to Lucas, but LOTR was my favorite long before I had heard of Star Wars:)
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His best casting job was Harrison Ford. Next was Liam Neeson and Ewan Macgregor. Then Billy Dee Williams, Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher, Natalie Portman...And he's directed FOUR movies. And Mark Hamill still isn't a good actor, Carrie Fisher is a writer, and Billy Dee hasn't worked since 1990 or thereabouts. Harrison Ford almost wasn't cast in Star Wars, and Liam, Ewan, and Natalie were all good/decent actors before Phantom Menace.
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Re:Leo ... on stilts?
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In reference to "The Beach"...gasp, retch.... If DeCrapio is working on that movie right now, and if SWEp2 is supposedly _already_ in production, wouldn't that most likely preclude his involvment? I would imagine that, at the least, Lucas would demand the full time of the actors...not to mention the blue-screening and other effects would probably require it.
Leo's abilities aside, one of the things I like...
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when I see a Star Wars movie is the lack of famous actors. I don't want to say, "hey! there's Captain Picard as Qui Gon!" or "there's the Terminator as head of security!"
I want to see charachters, not actors. Even if Leo has talent up the arse, he should NOT be in Star Wars for that reason alone.
The only way it would work is if he were in costume and his voice was modified so you'd have to watch the credits to find out who he was.
I would have blown this rumor off, except Lucas did cast Samuel L. Jackson in the TFM. Not that Jackson was bad at playing a Jedi Master, but "may the force be with you" lost something when falling from the lips of the hitman of Pulp Fiction.
Anybody would be better than cool leo! I personally liked the rumor that they were thinking of Rick Shrouder (From NYPD Blue). He looks a lot like anakin and is big enough to turn into vader. If leo is in EP2 I will make an effort not to see it.
Leo DiCraprio
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Anonymous Coward
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please . . . no! I could never take the movie seriously!
Re:What the hell are you smoking?!
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Vote 1 Jar-Jar!
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Re:Oh Annoying One
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Anonymous Coward
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Wow. Not only do you need to get some perspective in life, but you should work on your English skills.
DeCraprio? Well I heard...
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FuZZbaLL
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I had thought that Lucas was seriously considering Brendan Frasier for the roll. Now that would be cool.....
Re:Hold the Bash-fest....
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MidKnight
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Yeesh -- good point; I forgot about The Man in the Iron Mask. Actually, I probably have a mental block about it.... a classic book that I knew would be a flop of a movie.
My personal prediction is that Lucas won't choose him for the role, for exactly the reason you mentioned ("...excess baggage from previous roles..."). I have to admit it took me a few minutes to believe Ewan McGregor's jedi role since Trainspotting --:)
In the end I guess we'll put our faith in Mr Lucas; he has a penchant for balancing these kind of things.
Re:Think about this..
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->Who here REALLY wants to share the opening night theaters with not only fellow geeks, but hordes of young teen females-
I prolly woulda seen TPM by now if that was the case.
Problem is image, not talent
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I fully agree that Leo has talent and can be a decent actor. The problem I see is with image. You think the "sell-out" cries about TPM have been strong? Just imagine the cries about Leo.
I also really dread seeing a Star Wars movie being a chick-flick. But aside from that, this might actually make people have really low expectations to begin with for a change...
I would seriously think about not going
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I can't even begin to see him as being Vader. Not even close. Besides, if Natalie Portman got to play Amidala again I would be really angry to see the romantic scenes...Leo doesn't deserve her!
The scene between Amidala and young Annakin on the ship heading to Coruscant was clunky and painful enough....please no more Lucas!
Well, he may be the new hyped up wonderboy...but i find that he actually acts quite good... Basketball Dairies(?) and even Romeo and Juliet were some ok movies...But he doesn't fir into the SW universe....we have no need for pretty boys...Wipe them out...All of them
Young Lady: Are you a dangerous Sith Lord, or just a handsome Jedi who likes to poke around?
Will Smith/Anakin: I believe I'm that second one ma'am.
Cute idea, but he's a bit to rouwdy for a Jedi/Sith. Someone like Han Solo yeah, but not Anakin. God forbid. With him and Queen Amadala...Yoda would say on his death bed. There are thirty more Skywalkers
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Simple Solution!
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Wait 5 years before starting to shoot the next movie and then use Jake! He's so cuuuuute! Woooopie!!!!! Anyway, Leo Desuckrio is far too old to be playing a teenager anymore. He looks like he's 35.
WTF!?! Yeh, nick cage is a great actor, but can you imagine him as a 19 year old kid? we might as well cast Patrick Stewart, he's a good actor...
I personally think Leo would make a good Anikin, He really is a good actor, I think. While its true that He is pretty famous, I think you'd get over that quickly. Liam Neson and Ewin McGregor were both pretty famous to. Besides, he couldn't be any worse then Mark Hamil
If they don't fit into the film, so what! In every film there must the little cute animal(s), that gives something to complain for the audience, or they'd start to complain about the film. This because people are never happy.
Besides, the ewoks are cute, and if I wouldn't like to live with them (this for my boyfriend;), I still can watch the movie and feel happy about them.
If you others are so adult, try to remember how it felt to look at a cute little animal when you were 5 years old!
Oh yeah. No hesitation, no waffling, no regrets. Leo is triple-ass hot (which is about as high as my scale goes). If Leo was in the movie, everyone would have to show up a little earlier to get in to the theatre. Annoying girls would be in there sighing over him. Non-annoying women would be in there sighing over him. I usually hate pretty-boys, but this ones' got talent as well, and he puts it to use. Titanic has assured his fame and success, but he *did* do Romeo and Juliet, What's Eating Gilgert Grape, and a host of other fabulous movies. Talent, good looks, a killer mix.
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excuse the jar jar comment. So, if Jar jar is out of the second one, what, we get to replace him with a bigger, more annoying human? yikes. I hope Lucas would now better that he'd lose all Star Wars fans in favor of winning over the teenage girl camp *a-hem..anyone remember Wing Commander?*
Faith,maturity and the director of Howard the Duck
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Well, I'm always glad to hear criticism from someone able to adjust to the stark fact of a world with a Star Wars film that is absolutely moronic. As the bicephalous pod race commentator/cartoon says, in an effort to reassure you that its all a joke on you, "In any universe, that's got to hurt." I at once respect you for such an existential constition and at the same time (if you actually assert that TPM was even a passable SW film) think you insane. Pehaps Lucas found that exihibition of spitting in Titanic a promising complement to his Star Wars with a fart joke!
Casting Leo in SW would be a *horrible* choice. In the theater where I saw TPM, there was a trailer for an upcoming Leo movie. The booing was so loud I couldn't even hear the trailer! I think it is obvious that Star Wars fans and Leo fans don't overlap very much...
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If the lead actor of that bomb were ever in a star wars movie, i'd skip it!
If Decrapio is in it, I'll boycot it.
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Urkel as Lando. Robin Williams as Yoda. Captain Sisko as Mace Windu. Selma Hyack as Amidala.
Have Opie direct it. Soundtrack by Jewel & Celine Dion.
Someone on the website this article is from mentioned Edward Norton. I totally agree. He would be perfect for it, just dye his hair blond. Norton is an incredible actor (see: American History X) and can play both good and evil, and is not as scrawny or girly as Leo. I'm not sure how old he is, but do we really know how old anakin is supposed to be in the next one? Anyways, I cast my vote for Norton.
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The latest rumor I caught wind of out here in L.A. was that they were looking at casting Ryan Phillipe for the part.
For the record, I could live with that. Leo's never done anything for me (major turn-off: the part of The Three Musketeers when they were in bed I couldn't tell which was Leo and which was the girl), but Ryan's a babe.
I'm tryin, Yoda, trying REAL HARD to be the Jedi..
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Wouldn't a TPM/Pulp Fiction spoof be hilarious?
"White people who know good pod racers, this is the house they come to."
"Do you see the sign at the end of my driveway? The sign that says 'Dead Ewok Storage'? No? Well, that's 'cause storin' dead ewok's aint my business!"
I can think of 6 movies that I know Leo has been in. Tally 'em up:
What's Eating Gilbert Grape?........ Brilliant The Basketball Diaries.............. Good Romeo and Juliet.................... Good Titanic............................. Bad The Man in the Iron Mask............ Terrible The Beach........................... Jury's Out
Well... so far, as far as I'm concerned, he hasn't done all that badly... Although granted, the direction appears to be headed inexorably downward. But I'll wait until I hear about The Beach, at least, before I make any further judgement. -- - Sean
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Lyrics.ch seems gutted
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None of the songs I tried to pull up had any lyrics to view. Just the artist's name, title of song and what album. Even songs that used to be on the old lyrics.ch.
Stinkin' RIAA pigs!
Better than Jake Lloyd (sp?)!! *n/t*
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*n/t*
you're all way too gullible
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is this what slashdot is becoming, or has it been this way all along?
propagating unsubstantiated rumours as usual...
Re:Amazing! -- It's a lie
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That's just BS. A rumor. Easy to tell. Why? A) George Lucas isn't *stupid*. He got where he was by making bright moves and not following the herd. Besides, people hire people like Leo DiCap to try to generate publicity for their movie (STARRING xxxxx!!). Somehow, I think that Star Wars isn't really in need of generated publicity. B) I don't believe that Lucas is really in favor of hiring ultra-famous actors. Yeah, the kid who plays Anakin, but there aren't *that* many good actors that age, so there wasn't much choice. I sorta like movies more when I don't recognize the actor (oh, look, it's Arnie Shwartzenface with some face paint and a wig on!), and I think Lucas recognizes that.
Woooh... okay maybe..
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I'm not that big of a Star Wars fan and I'd certainly pay $7 to see Lucas dance around naked with a light saber. It'd probably be the funniest damned movie of the year. Maybe have him ballet dance with Anakin and Luke to Swan Lake.
Originally a rather famous Celtic Poem by the name of Cad Goddeu, or The Battle Of The Trees which was then translated into english, and from there they had it translated into Sanskrit for use as vocals in the song. An english translation(done by Robert Graves) can be found HERE.
If I'm incorrect, sorry, but this is just what I've heard.:)
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Well immediately after posting this a friend confirmed it for me.:) Apparently only a short portion of the original was used however, "Under the tongue root, a fight most dread, And another rages behind in the head". You can find more detailed information about it, and about the soundtrack in general, HERE.
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Isn't Anakin/Vader about 6'5"? Isn't Leo about 5'6"? How does one explain the difference? I guess in Episode 3 Anakin/Vader will be strapped to a medieval rack and stretched.
I wouldn't be too happy with Leo being cast as Anakin but you can't reject him due to size cause the guy is like 6'2". I think he's a decent actor but he's too scrawny for the role. And even if he beefed up I still don't see him as the bad ass Anakin is supposed to become. But who knows his next movie "The Beach" is supposed to be an action flick. Let's wait and see how he does in that one.
Personally I'd like to see Edward Norton get the part but I believe he's probablt too short. Heck, I'd even prefer the guy from Dawson's Creek over DiCaprio. Anyways, don't get your panties in a twist - its probably just a vicious rumor. Remember the whole Kenneth Branagh thing for Episode I.
star wars untruths
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i refuse to beleive that god on earth would make a pact with the devil. it can not be
Re:DeCrapio as Anakin
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Lucas had the actors in Ep1 sign on for all three films I highly doubt we'll see anyone other than Jake and Natalie being Luek and Leia's parents.
don't make me shoot myself, george. have some pity on those of use who watch your movies and pay your salary... *whimper* i hate starting my day with rumors like this...
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Well, I'm not! I think he's sexy! ^_^
Anakin in Episode 1 vs. Anakin in Episode 2
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This is obviously false, though, it's going to be interesting as to who finally gets the role. How old is Anakin supposed to be in EP2?
And as for waiting 5 years for the kid playing Anakin in EP1 -- he seemed arrogant and full of himself to me -- in the movie and in interviews. Then you could argue that he was supposed to be like that, but I think i'd disagree in that we should have seen Anakin make a transition in character as the story went on. We can forgive and identify with the once-good, but those that have always had a lack of virtue we do not.
Hopefully the Anakin in Episode 2 will convey this.
-djp
Re:Anakin in Episode 1 vs. Anakin in Episode 2
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Hmm, I didn't see it that way. I've only watched the movie, I didn't watch any interviews (I really don't care what the actors are like in their private lives). Anakin in the movie is self-confident, and definitely has the "good" that we're supposed to see corrupted later on. He's a lot less resentful than any normal person would have been as a slave, and he offers to do the whole pod-racing-for-money thing for Qui-Gon without expecting anything in return. A far cry from the Darth Vader of later films...
if you think about it. It's a good idea as far as Lucas is concerned. it's the only way to get Star Wars geeks and 13 year old girls to go see it.
Better site for Episode II and III news.
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Go here to get better information on episode II http://www.naboonline.com
Relax man, it comes with the territory
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What do you expect when you bring 80,000 guys together to talk about Star Wars? Besides, this thread is mostly here so we can toss around a few jokes.
DiCaprio might make a good choice
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Check out Jeffery Wells' Column on Mr Showbiz. I pretty much agree with what he has to say: DiCaprio looks like he could be Jake Lloyd grown up, he really is a good actor at showing rage and anger, (gee, do you think that could be important?) and because he looks young for his age, he would be at about the right age to be Anakin.
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Why I, and possibly others, are worried about this
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Star Wars is an epic fantasy with a deep, interesting and passionate story. It is the story of a world we don't live in and the wonderful and horrible things that happen there.
Annakin is an EXTREMELY intelligent person. Leo, well...I'm sure he PASSED high school...or did he drop out to make films?
I don't want this woman-idol playing the part of the character who is to most of us both the ultimate evil and the ultimate good.
If you have ever read a fantasy, if you find them invigorating and thrilling and if they become a part of your life forever, you would know why most of us would be devastated if Leo was cast as Annakin.
Ever read Lord of the Rings? Imagine a movie was made and Adam Sandler was cast as Gandalf...a slight exaggeration, yet it brings out the same emotion of absolute horror. I for one will do anything to keep Episode 2 from turning into more of a kiddie show than Episode 1. Jar-Jar i disliked, yet I recognize his importance to the movie, and at the second viewing of the film he was not quite as annoying.. Leo, I'm afraid, just isn't acceptable at all.
Name Two Bad Leo Movies
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Everyone hates Leo because of his role in Titanic and the subsequent media hype about him as a teen idol hearthrob. I've always liked Leo and think he is a good actor, other than Titanic he never plays the nice romantic guy, that's just the character that the media portrayed him as after the success of Titanic. If you would watch some of his other movies, I think you would really enjoy them.
Who here REALLY wants to share the opening night theaters with not only fellow geeks, but hordes of young teen females screaming and drooling over him? Gack.
Of course, imagine the box office sales..
Lets all do Lucas a favor and list off actors that could do the role who AREN'T Leo. I'm sure we could come across far better actors who aren't hearthrobs.
I second the motion...I just saw that movie recently, and he seems to be a very good actor, and he looks to be in the proper age bracket for the part of Anakin in Episode II.
Ciao!
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Oops... forgot Celebrity. Haven't seen that one, though, so perhaps soemone else can fill me in...? I know the film itself didn't do all that well financially, but howabout critically? And more important, howabout the actors in it (a.k.a. Leo)? -- - Sean
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Hmmm. ..actually, he'd be better as Lando Calrissian's father. Much cooler then Billy D. Williams, too.
ol' leo did in fact visit skywalker ranch, but only to view a screener of episode 1. this rumor started with a uk tabloid. since when did slashdot start printing tabloid news? maybe next we will be reading about how a 3 headed cow progammed the most advanced ai, which ended up commiting suicide after learning it was created by a 3 headed cow.
It's probably a lie, considering how Lucas avoids typecasting. Besides, it's too early to cast.
Assume it's not, though: Anakin is a tragic figure. A teen who's falling into the dark side. Who eventually betrays his friends and mentors. Who destroys the Jedi. Dicaprio can play such a character; if you don't believe me go rent "The Man in the Iron Mask." The dual role of the king and his twin is not the same character, but it requires the same range. And he's blond.
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Re:He might do a good job.
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the man in the iron mask was a joke. the guy does one good job (W.E.G.G.), and all of the sudden you guys think he's the next harrison ford...
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Actually I would have to say two cheesy movies...
The Man in an Iron Mask which came out after Titanic had Dicaprio in it, and acting was still second rate.... don't know who the director on that one was, but it just seemed to be a rehash of his Titantic character in 16 century France... completely wooden emotions and characterization...
while this might be a fluke along with Titanic, I would have to honest and say it would detract from my personal enjoyment of the movie if he were cast. Besides Lucas has tryed to use lesser known acters just for this reason, so the viewer does not bring excess baggage from previous roles to the theater that ruins their enjoyment of the movie....
But it really is too early in the process to jump to such conclusions, and i agree that it is ultimately up to Lucas to decide, we can only cast our ballet for or against the movie with our money.
Well, given his current behavior (using drugs, getting smashed, etc.) I would feel sorry for any director who cast him. That added to the fact that his acting has careened downhill since "Gilbert Grape" makes me very suspicious of the commentary that Lucas "wants" him in SWEp2. This sounds to me like "Leo wants in, so he's probably in" thinking from the people at AICN.
What better way to transform Anakin into Vader than to make the entire viewing audience hate him? Leo will make the villification a simple process.
Leo+SW= The Perfect Match
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An over-hyped actor for an over-hyped movie series. Both are the epitome of style over substance. As far as I'm concerned, you couldn't find a better fit.
Where do you get off casting the rest of us as immature because we don't have the same blind love for Lucas and the Trilogy that you do? I was under the impression that the Slashdot forums were here so we could talk about the subject -- in this case what we thought about having Leo as Anakin in Ep. 2.
If you think he's a fine actor, that's your opinion and you have the right to say so. But don't you dare say the rest of us somehow don't have a right to say that Leo sucks while hiding behind the "grow up" thing.
I mean, listen to yourself. We don't have the "maturity or intelligence to handle the new films at all." Possibly we don't, and maybe we are too critical of the films, but at least the majority of us aren't assholes about it.
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I would bet that leo will be too old to play anakin in the second movie. more probable will be someone about the age and look of a ryan phillippe. even more likely IMHO will be an unknown (to us, today) cali rent-a-hunk that will break big with episode two in the same way that jake lloyd became anakin version 1.0
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Sorry... Star Warsis George Lucas.
Not to take anything away from those other directors you mentioned, but there is no possible way that any of them could do a half-decent job of directing a Star Wars film.
Sorry... I believe I could take just about anything, but the one single thing that is central to Star Wars... is George Lucas. Any other director would make a different movie. End of story. I repeat:
Star Warsis George Lucas. -- - Sean
-- It's a fine line between trolling and karma-whoring... and I think I just crossed it.
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Re:DeCrapio as Anakin
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I think Lucas shouldn't let that faget ruin the next star wars. How could you have one of the biggest pussies in the world be the one that is suppose to bring balance to the force. He would be better positioned as one of the queens hand maids.
My vision of Darth Vader will be forever horribly tainted!
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Leonardo was also offered the Neo part of the Matrix, but he turned it down due to the amount of special fx's this movie featured.
It could be even worse...
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Mr. Bean as the Emperor.
Re:It could be even worse...
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And Pia Zadora as the queen.
Re:It could be even worse...
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"Mr. Bean as the Emperor."
Actually, I think it would be funny to have Rowan Atkison as the emperor. But the emperor isn't funny. Mr. Bean wouldn't be a step up from the cg kids characters.
Unfortunately, Leo didn't die in a stage accident in the filming of Titanic.
DiCaprio is willing to get into the next Episode "any way possible", so at worst if he pesters Lucas enough, we could let him play a nameless Storm Trooper, or a costumed creature that no one could identify (like that big nosed black clothed creature who rats our heroes out in Episode IV)
Nope...Jake will not be back for EP2 - he's far too young. The movie will probably be shot in early 2000 - that would make him 11 or 12 - not suitable for a *Teenaged* Anakin. He was signed for 1 movie...
Natalie Portman, OTOH, was signed for 3 - Lucas chose her, in part, because she can play both younger and older characters...
Re:Amazing!
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Well, *now* we know why Anakin turns to the Dark Side!
Amidala: I'll never let go Anakin.
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Anakin: Never let go.
Amidala: I promise. I will never let go, Anakin. I'll never let go.
Well since they made Annakin a little to cutesy for episode 1 why not go over the top for episode 2? As long as Jar Jar dies some mysterious death inbetween 1 and 2 I'll still see it.
Re:Some other suggestions since this is a rumor
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My fiancee came up with a couple of good suggestions:
Ethan Hawke - if you saw him in Gattaca, you know he's pretty good. He would be believable.
Matt Damon - definitely believable. My fiancee loved his performance in Good Will Hunting.
Oh yeah! This is the one where the Millennium Falcon hits an iceberg, and Skywalker and the really cute redhead are floating in the ocean and it's really cold, and hey.... wait a minute... that's not how it went! Oh well, I'm just kidding, but I'd better not hear any Celine Dion songs in reference to this one.
I admit, I haven't seen all of Leo's work, but what I've seen hasn't even come close to impressing me (The Man in the Iron Mask had potential, but not wth him in it). I've heard that Rick Schroeder may also be in the running - he'd be a much better fit. Vader is a large, hulking, powerful figure remember, and Schroeder is MUCH closer to that than scrawny Leo.
Plus, if Leo's in it, it'll just ruin the whole experience of going to the movie. Iron Mask was ruined for me, in part, by all the teen girls there just to see him, squeeling and oohing and aahing over him. I'd rather miss seeing Ep 2 in the theatre than have to put up with that crap.
hrmmmph, lucas turned to the dark side?
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I think lucas is turning on all of us, if this is true of course. I wish a new spaceballs would come out, heh if they do use leo, imagine how great spaceballs II - the search for more money, would be. What is the world coming to now adays? The answer is eventual, enternal, hell.
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DeCaprio's "Gilbert Grape" role not bad
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I haven't seen Titanic, or anything else by DeCaprio, except for "What's Eating Gilbert Grape."
In that oddball film, he plays the title character's inarticulate, no-impulse-control, mentally retarded pain-in-the-ass younger brother.
He's actually really good in this role, delivering a totally believable and unsentimental portrayal of a idiot kid you wouldn't mind being institutionalized forever.
Giving LDC the benefit of the doubt: Maybe he'd be good in the role of a cocky, handsome young Jedi doomed to fall by his ego and hidden flaws.
Cool New Line for Ep2
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Darth Vader: [phsssh] I am [phsssh] the King [puh-shhhhhh] of the [phsssh] World
--by the way, how do you write Darth's breathing noise?
Re:Amazing!
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I think I would still go since it is Star Wars. I just don't think I would be able to see it more than once. Just about ANYBODY would be better (well, with the exception of that guy from Dawson's Creek, he is pretty lame too)
Plus his stint as the gunslinging son to Gene Hackman's evil sheriff in Raimi's "The Quick and the Dead": At times, he really showed the fear/hatred mix when he was around Gene. And with all the controversy around "Basketball Diaries", that must also have had some qualities... though I haven't seen it.
Re:Amazing! -- It's a lie
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Who buys all the toys? Geeks. Who watches each movie in the film 4-5 times just to get to catch the little flaws? Geeks. Who buys every little revision in VHS and DVD? Geeks.
Losers.
Ricky Schroeder for Episode 3
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This would completely explain the transmogrification of Darth Vader from cute little kid to evil incarnate.
using unknown actors is the way to go...
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Posted by NOLimitZ:
The most important aspect of the Star Wars movies is the story. When the first Star Wars came out, nobody really knew anything about the actors who played the characters. This is good. This means when we saw Harrison Ford we immediately thought of him as Han Solo. To be honest, I can't even remember the name of the guy who played Luke Skywalker. To this day everytime I see Harrison Ford in a movie I picture either Han Solo or Indiana Jones.
Lucas NEEDS to treat the prequel the same way as he did the original trilogy (with unknown actors) if he plans to keep focus on the story. If he casts Leonardo DiCaprio (or any other well-known actor) then it just will NOT be believable. We will sit there and think "Gilbert Grape is Anakin Skywalker?" or we'll be thinking of Titanic. This is way too distracting and will seriously take away from the story.
No seriously man, no *u*king around, hes not is he
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This is terrible news, George please, lose the lil punk, hes not a serious actor, get someone with balls, after darth, aint to pussy. *sobsob*sniffsniff*
>But when has lucas been known to pick >people for their acting skill? Wasnt ford >picked to do solo because his father was >friends with lucas? Not really. Harrison Ford (one of my favourite actors, BTW) was moonlighting as a construction worker on the New Hope set. Lucas needed someone to read Solo's part quickly, and Ford was one of the few actors nearby who wasn't in the movie. He, Hamill and Fisher apparently just clicked as a team, and the rest is history.
>What it comes down to is do you really want >to see leo in a lightsaber fight [...]? Yes, if he loses. Oh! You meant in the movie, not in real life. Sorry, my mistake. May Leo die screaming horribly with sharp things in his head.
My opinion is that the movie was over-anticipated, way too much hype. However, it was a great movie, and the annoying things like Jar Jar just make it that much better. Mark Hammil annoys the hell out of me-but I will end up watching the original trilogy over and over, just like I always do. And for everyone who didn't like TPM-guess what? Not everyone liked New Hope, Empire Strikes Back, and since Return of the Jedi is the only one I am old enough to remember seeing in a theater-I know for a fact that there was plenty of bitching about that one (damn Ewoks!) And as far as the complaining about all the hype going on outside of the theater-I seem to remember seeing nothing but Ewoks for about two years after ROTJ-I can even remember getting up on Saturday mornings and watching the cartoon.
I'm sure that we would have had just as much nit-picking back then as we do now-unfortunately the most powerful PC was a Commodore 64-so there were no inside scoops (and gossip), no Quicktime video clips, no online discussions-Lucas just did it, and everyone left him alone-and we are all thankful of it now.
So if the rumor is true-it won't really matter how we feel about it right now. Lucas will do what he thinks is best, and fifteen years from now it will become an obession for OUR children....
well then how do they know what they are saying?!
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Posted by Assmodeus:
if they are singing in sanscrit and nobody knows how to speak sanscrit...then how do they know what they are saying??
Re:Duel of Fates (off-topic)
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uhhh... i do. speak (some) sanskrit that is. i can't find lyrics anywhere though... and i don't want to create a boston globe account.
Ok we all hate him and I for one would hate to see him taint the starwars universe with his sorry excuse of acting talent. However will I still see it, of course it is starwars. If I could deal with Jar Jar, I can stand Decrappio for one movie, but that's it!
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Carpe Corpus!
Your mom has fleas and so does Jar Jar
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I think Jar Jar is a prick. He has some real mental problems that can only be explained by inbreeding. I also think that there was too much flirting between the 9 year old Anikan and the 14+ year old Queen. I yelled "MY VIRGIN EARS" when I heard such blasfemy!!! If they were going to flirt, they might as well get it on!
Re:Your mom has fleas and so does Jar Jar
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NO WAY MAN!! Jar Jar rules! They should let him play the older Anakin!
Of course I meant to say that Episode V was romantic in spots. Also, I'd have to say it was the best Star Wars yet. Hoth, the asteroid field, Luke when he was young, cocky and not-fully trained...it had it all. I hope that Episode II will be better, but I don't expect it to be.
--Lenny
Re:The lack of maturity of slashdotters
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I agree, I think Leonardo DiCaprio would be a lot less annoying than Mark Hammill was in the original trilogy. And it could be worse; the headline could say, "Alan Thicke in next Star Wars?"
Franz
Everyone seems to miss the point of Jar Jar...
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Anonymous+Shepherd
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If my reading of the story is correct, and it is only IMHO of course, Jar Jar is meant to be annoying.
He's supposed to be the clumsy, artless, klutzy, silly, tactless, goofy, ignorant clown; if you take him as a archetype(think John Campbell even), he's representative of the populace of people who *don't* fit in, who are inept physically, socially, emotionally, or any other way, yet manages to perservere, manages to overcome(with just a bit of Force guided dumb luck perhaps), and does good.
Will we see him in the next movie? I think so. Heck, I hope so, because I want to see Jar Jar become an accepted, non-irritating, gentle, good humored, well intentioned person.
And... just as much as Star Wars is George Lucas., so is it all the things that Mr. Lucas infuses into the script. Including all those "cutesy" aspects. A non-cute Star Wars just could not work.
(And hey... I like Jar-jar.) -- - Sean
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How about...
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Anonymous Coward
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John Erik Hexam, from the series "Voyagers" i think...
What he should do (heh... here I am suggesting ideas to Lucas) is issue a casting call, with meetings at several sites around to country, and let whoever come. That way he can truely dredge the populous for ability and the physical description he wants. Hmmm... I'm 6'4.5", and I have the long hair for the Padawan braid (I'll cut the rest), and some experience... I'll go; I bet a lot of you out there would too... if fact, how about all the major roles unassigned for the next film be filled that way? I feel that would be great (and, if you are proficient, you can cover the US in one, maybe 1.5 months, and then spend some time overseas), effective (thousands to choose from) and pleasing to the viewing public (no DiCaprio... yeah!). And when you have the budget he has, its not like you can't afford it (since he did recoop all (or most) of the expenditures in the box offices sales this week alone)... -G.
Re:George Lucas' directing prowess
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"couldn't get tickets for opening day and see little point in standing in lines now"... huh?
Man, where you be livin'? Around here, I can just walk straight in at the last minute and see the movie in a half-empty theater. I should know -- I've done it 3 times already:-)
Anyway... I'll get to my point.
You brought up a good point (Leo's performanice in Gilbert Grape)... what I keep seeing when I think of him as Annakin is sort of a cross between Mark Hamill when he's all pissed off in ROTJ ("Espscially... Sister. So, you have a twin sister. Obi-Wan was wise to hide her from me... now his failure is complete."), an equally-pissed-off Leo from Romeo and Juliet, and a confused Leo from near the end of Gilbert Grape (the part just after Johnny Depp hits him).
Call me deranged, but I think it would work.... -- - Sean
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I'm the KING OF THE FORCE!!!!!!
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BigUnit
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Whats with all the gimmacks? SW will sell regardless of who or how bad the acting is. Speaking of actors, why not a virtual leo? Can't be any worse than jar jar jar jar. (what the hell was luca$ thinking)
BU.
Please Yoda, say It's not so!
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salacious
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This makes me doubt my faith of starwars. :( Please say it aint so
ROSE!!!!
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Anonymous Coward
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The fist time pretty-boy yells ROSE, I'm out of there!
gosh, leo as annakin? so it IS when he turns evil, after all! I was wondering how they were going to workin in the whole shift from good to evil. little did i know it would be done in casting.
We've all gotten very accustomed to a democratic form of government here at/. Rob has been most accommodating to the pressures generated onto him by his viewing public.
Let's stop a minute to realize that George Lucas is NOT Rob Malda. Lucas has something in mind, and come hell or high water, he will tell us HIS story. If the studios couldn't bastardize HIS VISION, (except maybe that mitochlorian abomination and virgin-birth) then why should it be swayed by a bunch of whining geeks who have nothing better to do than contemplate the lineage of a fictitious character.
Lucas has a particular story in mind.
Anakin is destined to become Vader. He starts out as a sweet, innocent and exceptional kid, the seed of prophecy. What better way to turn him to the Dark Side than to make him a lover, to make him completely opposite of what he is to be. And then make his reasons for becoming the anti-thesis of his former self truly tragic. DiCaprio has played romantic characters before, and he's done a decent job judging by how all the teen girls swoon at his name. He'd be coming into familiar territory; he's being type-cast.
And what better way to make the audience feel for the character than to feel for the actor? And to his credit, DiCaprio has the looks of young Luke.
As for Jar Jar - to everything there is a reason. A HUGE part of Lucas' profit comes from toys. Kids buy toys. Kids like cute, goofy characters. Jar Jar is already the most marketed character of them all. There's a Jar Jar 3D adventure game for Krissakes!
Yes, the adults notice Maul and Jinn, and buy the 10$ book and discuss the philosophy of the Jedi over Cappuccino. But it's the kids who nag mom and dad to buy them the entire collection of action figures, all the coloring books and play-doh fun factories with the Jar Jar shaped cookie-cutters.
Like everyone else in the world, Lucas is in it for the money, and he's making it HIS way. More power to him, I say. And if you don't like it, don't go see the movie another dozen times.
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Re:The lack of maturity of slashdotters
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Pendulum
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I would say we're just not used to it yet. I mean, I was born in '77, and can't imagine a world w/o Star Wars. Episode 1 is as good as the others, particularly after you've seen it the second time, and the third, and the fourth... well, it just keeps on getting better. I admit, Anakin's "Yipeeee!" still grates my nerves, but Luke's whiny "But I was going to Toshi station to pick up those power converters" is just as bad.
But you barely even notice how annoying Luke is, or C3P0, because you're so used to it (well, I speak for myself here). They're beautiful, and I guarantee that most people who are out there right now bitching about Anakin or JarJar will embrace the film in the end, and years from now will be saying to someone "Well, everybody hated the movie because of JarJar at first, but not me, because I saw the true value of the film..."
Leo? Well, yes and no. I am a chick and therefor qualify as an expert on this whole Leo DiCaprio thing. Also my college roomate budgeted her OSAP (Ontario Student Loan) carefully to allow for maximum veiwing of Titanic. He'll be okay, if the rumour's true. That's my opinion. Eventually we will grow to love him, or whoever is cast in the role. George certainly doesn't need to pick him to bring people in. He's got us. We're hooked. I'm going to put hundreds of $$ in that man's pocket, I'm sure. I already have. Lack of maturity? Yes. But what did you expect? We're all kids when it comes to this storyline. It's a fairy tale. And unless there is an hour-long segment of monkies rubbing their own feces all over each other, I'm going to love the next two movies. After seriously bitching about them for a week or two, of course.
You forgot Sir Alec Guiness
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ENOENT
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What can I say? I think that Sir Alec Guiness saved Episode IV from being a simple shoot-em-up, blow-up-things-in-space movie. Ford was fun, but Guiness made it all seem more meaningful.
-- That's "Mr. Soulless Automaton" to you, Bub.
His journey to the dark side is complete.
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Squeeze+Truck
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'Nuff said.
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Better yet, have Oscar the Grouch as Yoda.
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ploeg
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Wait a second, Oscar the Grouch already is Yoda.
I don't care if it is false, I'm having a lot of fun with this.
Yeah, but the kid did a pretty good job acting. The kid is also not immediately recognizable to most people, so you think "This is anakin skywalker." With Leonardo DiCaprio, you think "This is Leonardo DiCaprio," not "This is anakin skywalker," as you're supposed to be thinking.
I personally liked Anakin's performance in Episode 1. I do not like anything that Leonardo DiCaprio has been in.
Re:Amazing! -- It's a lie
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"A) George Lucas isn't *stupid*. He got where he was by making bright moves and not following the herd. Besides, people hire people like Leo DiCap to try to generate publicity for their movie (STARRING xxxxx!!). Somehow, I think that Star Wars isn't really in need of generated publicity."
This is true, Lucas ISN'T stupid. He has to know who to go to to "Show him the money". Why is each movie in the trilogy in the top 10 grossing films of all time? Answer: Geeks.
Who buys all the toys? Geeks. Who watches each movie in the film 4-5 times just to get to catch the little flaws? Geeks. Who buys every little revision in VHS and DVD? Geeks.
So then, here's my take on why Lucas might use DiCaprio... he already has us. We are his "automatic customer base". Like someone said earlier, he could make the next film "Jar Jar's Revenge" and we'd still go see it. So he already has us. But, Lucas is a man like everybody else. He wants to see more green. What's the only film that grossed more than SW? Titanic.
Why did Titanic make mucho dinero? DiCaprio. Every little giggly teenaged girl who reads all of the Teeny-Bopper magazines got together with their girlfriends and went to see THAT movie at least 15 times... per weekend. They all wished they were that girl in the movie... whatever her name was.
So there you have it... by casting DiCaprio, the next SW may (in Lucas' mind) be the top grossing film of all time... but he would be forgetting one thing. He may lose his original "customer base"... geeks. Why? WE DESPISE LEONARDO DICAPRIO types, and all other iconized Hollywood manufactured actors. He is the epitome of the anti-geek.
Yes, George, you may gain a slew of new female SW converts by casting Leo in Anakin's role... but at the risk of losing your most faithful subjects... geeks. But then again... even WE couldn't propel SW to the money machine Titanic was... so maybe he won't mind losing us. Just my thoughts. ----- if ($anyone_cares) {print "Just Another Perl Newbie"}
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Leonardo Di Caprio has made many movies before Titanic.
"Basketball Diaries" "What's eating Gilbert Grape" and a few others.
He is an EXCELENT actor. I have never seen Titanic, nor do I intend to. I have seen Leonardo Di Caprio in older movies and he has always created a stunning performance. Furthermore, he is not "typecast" as many posts sugested. Most of his roles are extremely varied.
I think he would be very good for the part. It would also lift the curse of the Titanic which make most people think of him as a bad actor.
This is the worst nightmare that could happen
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kraterz
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Shit! I cant think of anything worse that can happen. leo di crappio should be shat on.
I think its an excelent choice!!!!!
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Anonymous Coward
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If memory serves me correctly... Anakin gets roasted alive at the end of episode 2.. (where he begins his final transition to the dark headed bugger that we all know and love:)
If this is indeed the case then I'll be there with my video rewinding that magic moment over and over again..
Best part about Titanic was watching the bloke drown:) I can only guess that watching him burn alive might be slightly more amusing
Not that i'm bitter about his stardom and multi-millions or anything;)
I don't know if the lyrics are available anywhere, but if they were, what use would they be? They're singing in Sanskrit. I don't know anybody who speaks Sanskrit.:-)
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Re:thinking Kirk Cameron...? No, he's right.
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...except Leonardo DiCaprio wasn't in "Growing Pains." He wasn't even around then.
Actually, he was. He made a brief appearance. I think he was the little misfortunate kid who stole from the Seaver's after Mike became friends with him. - Scary how that episode just rushed back to me.:)
As for his acting, we should all see him in "What's Eating Glibert Grape". He played the retarded little brother. [insert obligatory 'like in Titanic' joke here]
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DiCaprio: retarded, decadent Vader heartthrob
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Yeah, I don't see why everyone hates DiCaprio so much. My own initial impression of him was when I saw "What's Eating Gilbert Grape?", an interesting non-mainstream movie. He did a great job of playing a retarded kid. In fact he did such a good job at the role that it wasn't until much later that I realized that it was him when I read a magazine article about it. I thought, "Oh he was that retarded kid" He did a good job in Woody Allen's "Celebrity" too, as the decadent movie star punk (was this a stretch for him?). Not that I'm a big fan or anything, but I don't the whole Titanic heartthrob thing against him. As for playing Vader, I think he could pull it off pretty well. The only problem I would see would be that any well known celebrity might detract from the formula. Maybe a sturdier, more intense unknown type would be the best choice. BTW, let's hope that they cut out as much of that cutesy crap as possible and put a different twist on it by having a different director come in and do it. Imagine, David Lynch, or Tim Burton, or David Cronenburg. Now THAT would be interesting.
Two Bad Leo Movies? Here's 4.
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bonehead
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1. Titanic - Not a very entertaining movie altogether, IMO. And Leo was not even slightly believable in his role as a street-wise world traveller. The only good thing about this movie was getting to watch Leo's frozen corpse sink into the icy Atlantic.
2. The Quick and The Dead - Actually, I sort of enjoyed this movie. I just had a tough time believing this baby-faced little punk as a gunfighter. And this was before I had any idea who Leonardo DiCaprio was, so this opinion was definitely formed with no preconceptions.
3. What's Eating Gilbert Grape - Maybe I need to try watching this one when I'm really, really drunk. I found this movie to be one of the more tedious that I've seen. Hard to even sit through. And again, Leo was not believable in his character. The guy in Something About Mary does a far superior job of portraying a mentally disable person in a believable way.
4. The Man in the Iron Mask - A classic story, and a great movie. Such a great movie, in fact, that I enjoyed it even with Leo's poor acting. In this movie in particular, he seemed to be not acting, but merely reciting memorized lines.
Anyone seen "The Basketball Diaries"? Good flick, and DiCaprio did an excellent job in that, even as a kid.
Sure, he was a schmuck in Titanic. But Jim Cameron never lets his actors steal the show-- the acting from Cameron's movies usually comes out looking second-rate no matter who's in them.
And I guarantee George Lucas is planning for a somewhat whiny character for Anakin Skywalker in the second one (Remember Luke in "A New Hope"? Same deal).
So I think DiCaprio might be a pretty good fit. Jeez, a guy does one cheezy movie so he can get absurdly rich and get hot chicks, and everyone writes him off? C'mon.
Jar Jar is still terrible. This is worse.
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He's NOT for the older age groups, yet people can't seem to accept that
Oh, I accept that he is meant for the kids. That doesn't mean that he isn't obnoxious and grating for adults. Many people knocked the Ewoks' blatant cute appeal. They were obviously meant to be cute, but I found them less intrusive than Jar Jar. I just don't expect (or want) that much slapstick in a Star Wars flick. I thought the bumbling droids were much cooler than some CG Jive-talking smiley donkey.
Lucas has also said that Episode 2 was supposed to be the "romantic" one...maybe he's thinking he could use Leo to draw all the ladies
This seems frighteningly likely to me. Even Episode IV was romantic in spots, but Harrison Ford is a considerably less annoying actor than Leo. Hell, Harrison is The Man.
Besides, Leo is such a pretty boy. He is almost the definition of "non-threatening". I just can't picture him ever turning into Darth Vader. I can't picture him with a lightsaber, either. Ewan McGreger and Liam Neeson: now that was good casting...
-Lenny
Re:Jar Jar is still terrible. This is worse.
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1) I agree that the Ewoks were less intrusive than Jar-Jar. However, a friend of mine once said that ROTJ would have been infinitely more believable if it had featured about ten minutes of nothing but storm troopers pointing their blasters at the ground, calmly shooting Ewoks as methodically as a nail gun operator putting up vinyl siding.
2) DiCaprio did not-that-bad of an acting job in What's Eating Gilbert Grape, although playing Darth Vader is a bit different than playing a retarded kid. (Wait a second...Jake Lloyd...I retract that statement.)
3) Many Batman fans were livid when they first heard that Michael Keaton would be cast in Burton's film. They wanted Sly Stallone or someone similar. Keaton worked in the role, though, because he was a versatile actor who could play sinister characters.
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Leo may actually be the right person...
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Anonymous Coward
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I hate to say this people, but Leo may be the right man for the job.
First of all, lets take a basic look at his simple appearance. He _does_ look like the 'Luke' that Mark Hamill created. He's young, blonde, vaguely handsome, and unintimidating.
Second of all, he has credentials, which neither Mark Hamill or 'The Kid' really had. At least four major movies under his belt, all of which have been interesting, if not actually 'good' per se. 'Basketball Diaries' was good, and the lead in 'Titanic', even if he was just eye candy for the ladies, has to at least count for something.
Third of all, he's a reasonable actor. 'Romeo and Juliet' and 'Titanic' _did_ show a good range of emotion, and Leo did it convincingly enough to make money. 'Basketball Diaries' showed a bit of a dark side that might be more what we'd expect from an Anakin.
And last... Leo is a guaranteed box office draw with women, a gender that never liked Star Wars. I'm going to get flamed for this, but women never liked Star Wars as much as men, possibly because they 'just don't get it.' If it takes a pretty face and a nice *insert some body part here* to get women into a theater and at least appreciate one of the finest series of all time (and better yet, make the studio profitable enough so the Lucas posse will make more then one every three years), more power to them. Besides, it worked for Lucas in 'Return of the Jedi,' and drew more then its fair share of young men, with Leia's Metal Bra, or whatever it was.
And as the coup de gras, I challenge anyone to think up someone better for the role of a teenage Anakin.
He's just too damned skrawney! Vadar is HUGE and eminates power! Di Caprio eminates wimpdom! He might be a good actor but he is just too damned small and wimpy to play the man that becomes Darth Vadar.
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...and I will supply the munitions for this honorable crusader. But we would also have to go further than just getting rid of Leo. We'd have to place Lucus through years of intensive psycho-therapy!
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What's next
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Anonymous Coward
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Maybe in the third episode anakin will be played by John Schneider (of Dukes of Hazzard fame)...
This would make the movie appealing to country music fans as well as nerds...
George Lucas' directing prowess
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Anonymous Coward
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Haven't seen The Phantom Menace yet (couldn't get tickets for opening day and see little point in standing in lines now...I'll wait a few weeks.)
Anyway, Leonardo may have dropped miles in my esteem by doing so poorly in Titanic (that can be blamed on the garbage script and poor directing abilities of James "I plagiarized from Homer Simpson" Cameron.) However, Leo's shown promise in many of his other roles. What's Eating Gilbert Grape for example.
That said, the thought that a set-piece director like Lucas could "turn" anyone into a good actor is laughable. The man has no skills as a director, and only moderate talent as a screenwriter.
Storyteller, that he is. Great actor's director? No.
- r
Leo is the best they can find?
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Anonymous Coward
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Keanu Reeves isn't available?
Re:Leo is the best they can find?
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jwhyche
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Keanu Reeves isn't available?
No! I'm sorry but Keanu Reeves has been and all ways will be Ted. I can't look at Reeves without expecting the next word out of his mouth to be dude. Think about it. Can you see the future Darth Vader saying, "Use the force dude?" or "Dude, may the force be with you?"
Sorry, I think I would rather have my butt shaved by a blind man with a nervious condition with a blo knife than see this.
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Re:Oh Annoying One
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Anonymous Coward
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Fuck you asshole. This disaster is too big for proportions.
Rocks in your head to believe this rumor
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Anonymous Coward
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So what if Leo DeCapri goes to Skywalker ranch?
Jesus, his asking price is $20 mil. He hasn't done any $20 mil movies, so his agent will not look kindly on him doing a "freebie" for Lucas. Not to mention that Lucas casts relative unknowns for SW movies. A cameo isn't outside the realm, but he's not going to play Anakin.
AND he sucks...god, I thought Jar Jar was going to annoy me in that movie but Jake was worse. They should have just CGI'd him in or used a puppet like Yoda, they would've got a better performance. ---- "Wars, conflict, it's all business. One murder makes a villain. Millions a hero. Numbers sanctify."
Re:Titanic with lightsabers
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But when has lucas been known to pick people for their acting skill? Wasnt ford picked to do solo because his father was friends with lucas? The problem with leo isnt his ability to act, its that he doesnt fit the role. Maybe he would be able to pull off a medium-aged anikin falling in love, but could he pull off a medium aged jedi falling towards the dark side? Star Wars has always been a thing of images.. how many times have you heard somebody do a vader-breathing impression or a yoda saying 'do or do not, there is no try'? That was one of TPM's major problems.. it didnt have any memorable lines like that.. all they did was rehash things already said and done. Even the battles were rehashed. What it comes down to is do you really want to see leo in a lightsaber fight and since our facial features are pretty set by the time we're in our teens, can you really see leo behind the mask in IV - VI? (not to mention they'd probably have to bring him back to do III since it'd be rather odd that he looked severely different between the two movies)
Dreamweaver
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Re:the problem of Jar Jar and the fate of Leonardo
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gavinhall
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Posted by The Incredible Mr. Limpett:
You know, when I started reading this post it was annoying me because I liked the movie a lot but something about it didn't click with me...I was kind of getting sick of people bashing it. But after reading your post a few times, I realize it's exactly what's been bugging me about the movie.You hit it right on the head. ---- "Wars, conflict, it's all business. One murder makes a villain. Millions a hero. Numbers sanctify."
I don't know if they'd have the lyrics to the that song, seein' as it's in sanscrit, but you can search through all kindsa song lyrics at the International Lyrics Server.
I am certain that the geek population would not allow the presence of Leo DeCRAPio in a Star Wars flick. I am not afraid.
-- -- "It has recently been discovered that research causes cancer in rats."
Um.. look at the kid that they cast as Anakin in the PM. Look at Luke. You're saying that Leo doesn't fit with the blonde wimpy look? Jeese, you'd almost get the feeling folks here are threatened by the fact that Leo seems to be a pretty popular young entertainer. I'm not saying he's a wonderful actor, but I do think that he looks the part. And for those of you threatening not to see the movie.. right, if you're affected so greatly by this decision, then you're so into Star Wars that you'd see it even if it was an hour and a half of Lucas dancing about the screen naked with a light saber.;)
After getting over my initial bout of nausea at the thought of Leonardo playing the essence of the Dark Side (it's tough enough imagining the little kid growing up to be James Earl Jones, but Leonardo.. as Jar-Jar would say, "How wude!"), I actually allowed my brain to start working.
Lucas is in the inital stages of writing the screenplay for Episode 2. He's said so himself, when questioned about the rumors floating around about Episode 2 and casting and what-not. The chances that Leonardo was being interviewed for it are doubtful at best. Lucas has also been rumored to be working on a new Indiana Jones. Perhaps Leonardo is being interviewed for that. Guess what? That idea is just as baseless as Leonardo playing Anakin.
Lucas was recently interviewed about the hype surrounding Star Wars and said it's pretty much ridiculous. People are now throwing themselves into a frenzy over a rumored interview. Can't we finish dissecting the first movie before we start in on the second?
hey i can do it! i'm 6'2, blonde, am told fairly reguarly i look a lot like dicaprio and for gods sake, nobody hates me:)
Re:Why the Hell NOT????
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Anonymous Coward
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YOU CRAZY? He is somewhat talented. I say this because he doesn't take on tough/hard roles. He goes for the easy way out. Gilbert Grape is his best but how long ago was that? '93. He was nominated for an Academy Award which was deserved but he has failed after that.
After he got older, him and his Agent started to see the money come in because of the teenage girls' screams. He is just a face to get teen girls to scream, hoot, and spend their money on. He is only good at certain roles and can draw teenage girls. His face doesn't allow him to be believable in certain roles. Ep. II is suposed to be a Love story b/w Anakin and Amidala but Leo won't be in it. Why you ask:
1.) Leo is too old for one. Anakin is suposed to be around 15yrs old in the film and Amidala is suposed to be around 19-20ish.
2.) Lucas doesn't like using really big name actors or flashy/popular actors. I was suprised to see S.L. Jackson and Liam but they are good actors. Lucas will probably scour the earth to try the right one because he has seen the reaction of Ep I and will make the others better. Hopefully. Anikan will be someone we hardly know. Lucas will probably look to young theater actors rather than commercial teenbeat boys.
3.) Leo is not fit the role at all. He is not Jedi/Dark side material. Anyone can see that.
4.) There are not many good teen actors out there. Why, because most agencies go for a good looking faces that will appeal to teens and GET MONEY. Don't mention Jonthan Taylor Thomas, Elijah Wood, James Van Der Crack or whomever as good actors because they are not right now. Look at the movies they are in. Not really good movies huh? That is why not many teens win awards/praises for good acting. Most are not experienced enough at that age. There are some major exceptions, I will admit.
Two good teen actor/actress that has been seen in a major movie and is/was very underrated was Francis Capra who played Calogero (the 9 year old not the teenager) in A Bronx Tale. Natalie Portman, who of course in Ep I., but was great in The Professional. Other than that most of them suck in their early years.
I really don't like Leo because of how carries himself (he plays into the pretty boy role TOO MUCH.) and how he is portrayed in the media but I will admit that Leo is the probably the best out of the young actor genre and could become really good but only time will tell. He is not really that talented as far as including all actors of all ages, YET. There are alot of other really talented young actors out there that don't get to be seen because they don't have his looks.
On a side note: Titanic/Basketball Diaries were really not that great of films. Box office numbers do not mean a film is great. Popularity is often confused as being great. Titanic was good but made a love story, that really never happened, out of a historical tragedy. Basketball Diaries will be remembered as just a film rather than a good book by a good author.
Unintelligent Masses accept Caprio and like TPM
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Its really quite simple: if you like Caprio, like Titantic, and like TPM, then you are most likely an idiot who doesn't care what crap Hollywood spoon feeds you.
Granted, the original Trilogy was no great intellectual and artistic accomplishment but at least it didn't include fart jokes and the other banal scum that Lucas put into TPM.
And obviously TPM was not *all* bad. But the fact that blaring plot errors like Anakin accidently destroying the enemy ship and the very existence of Jar Jar, makes TPM a base appeal to the masses that is essentially an empty and worthless vessel of stupidity.
How can you post saying that you have a right to post your opinions and in the same post say that "I don't DARE say the rest of us somehow..." etc...
The point is that we all have our opinions and my opinion is that the majority of posters on here are attacking Leonardo DiCaprio and the movies in general for really inconsequential reasons.
If I want to state this belief and criticize what I see as being a lack of maturity of a group of posters then I have every right to do so and I assumed people would realize that I was stating my *opinion* just as you did...
Mechanical body perhaps?
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I seem to recall getting the impression somewhere that Darth Vader was more machine than man. I wonder where I heard that? Anyhow, as long as Vader's getting his legs, and possibly hips, sections of torso, what have you, replaces, why does he have to stay at his natural height. Why not pick something more intimidating? I don't seem to recall Anakin towering over Kenobi like Vader did when they stood together at the end of Return of the Jedi. Maybe I misremember, but I think he was shorter in his natural body (not that we can be absolutely sure, since a Jedi "ghost" might not neccessarily have the same dimensions as the living person).
Read the whole post, big shooter
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If you'd read my post, the only thing I said he didn't have a right to say is that we don't have a right to speak our minds on this.
(Rereading sentance to make sure it makes sense)
Yeah. In any case, I don't see where this guy gets off calling us stupid (and immature) because we don't like the same actors. I did call him an asshole, but that's only because he was being one when he said he was smarter than everyone else and that we're all morons.
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pulp parody @ great movie site (muppets rule)
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I just found this movie site two days ago, and its great. Its called "coming attractions" and it has lotsa great info on upcomming movies. Anyhoo, there is something similar (out of the mouth of Tarantino, no less!): pulp muppets.
One great thing about the original series was that it was a low budget, nobody big...sorta movie. It wasn't loaded with stars (at the time) and didnt have anything awesome about it except the plot. Let's stick to this thinking for episode II (That means character development, that's what they are their for! None of this crappy TPM shite). No whining little dork as Darth Vader...we're talking one Bad@ss Mofo that could compete with the likes of Samuel L. Jackson in butt kicking
The biggest problem with Leo for the role, is that in BIG mainstream films e.g. Titanic and, Romeo and Juliet, Leo's acting ability is lost to the film's story. In films that are more intimate is where he does good work. I personally would choose Nicolas Cage. Looking at the variety of roles Cage has done in both personality and physicality e.g. Raising Arizona, Leaving Las Vegas, Con Air, I think he would perform quite well.
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Re:maybe it's a good trend?
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Hey! Don't knock the thirty-somethings:-)
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Do I detect a hint of JEALOUSY?
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Look, I'm really sorry that you aren't popular and wish you had girls drooling over you like Leo does, but that's no excuse for making him out to be, what? worse than the worst actor around, a human abomination, I mean, come on, some of these posts are a little over the top. He's just an actor. Star Wars is just a movie series. Why do you all care so much?
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Natalie yes, Jake no
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Natalie Portman is booked for at least episode 2, but Jake Lloyd is definitely not going to continue on. He's just too young.
1. Mark Hammil could be brought back to play Anikin in Ep.3 - family resemblence 2. Buba Fett becomes a major character, played by Mike Meyers (we get to see him out of the armor for the first time) 3. We discover that Storm Troopers are really Gunguns under that armor.
Three weeks ago, I would've agreed with you. But after suffering through the performance of Jar Jar Binks last week, I think anything is possible. Lucas has already got the geek audience, Phantom Menace brought in the kid audience, now he's going for the teeny-boppers. It makes perfect sense!
I pray that this is just a rumor, but if it actually proves true, I won't be surprised. Just picture it - hundreds of teenage girls all lined up, waiting with baited breath to see *sigh* that dreamy Leo
Someone needs to talk to that man! (Lucas, I mean)
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Leo & Natalie// Anakin & Amidala It sounds like that would be a big love story. Is George trying to get women interested in Star Wars? Maybe my SO won't fall asleep in that movie... (*nudge* wake up, it's time for the pod race. *nudge* wake up, it's time for the swordfight);-) - - -
I actually like Leo, and think he could do a good turn at making Annakin go from innocent to evil. Don't judge him from Titanic, though I think he did decent acting - he was given crap dialogue. Judge him instead from his better roles, like in Basketball Diaries or What's Eating Gilbert Grape?.
Now personally I wish Lucas wouldn't use any name actors at all, but that's not going to happen.
Very crowded thread, may just be lost in the noise. Oh well.
I don't see why people can't stand Jar Jar; sure, he's annoying and irritating, but I'm pretty sure he was designed that way. IMHO, Jar Jar is representative and symbolic of the klutzy, clumsy, graceless, tactless, and inept teenager we all were, at some time or another. Or we were the misfit in grade school no one would hang out with, who got banished to the far side of the playground stuck with a book and waiting for recess to end. Or the person always picked last for dodgeball, forced onto the unlucky team who had too few players, or was always the benchwarmer during pickup baseball games.
I would think people could pick up on the fact. Perhaps if/. had existed 20 years ago, we'd see some very similar complaining about how wimpy and stupid Luke was, and how he ruined the movie, or how much they hated C3P0. I don't know, but I think Jar Jar was a very important part of the film, if only because of that message I picked out, and I hope to see more of him, to see him mature and grow out of his klutziness.
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Is Leonardo DiCaprio Physically Right For Anakin?
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In episodes 4-6 Darth Vader is very tall & physically impressive. Much taller than Obi-wan or Luke. Offhand I don't think Leonardo is taller than Ewan MacGregor, or at least not head and shoulders taller. The Vader suit & helmet add a few inches but not enough to make up for the height difference between Vader and Kenobi.
What they need is someone who can play a tall and gangly teen in Ep. 2 and then get pumped up for adulthood in Ep. 3.
Natalie Portman will be 21 real soon...
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So by the time EP II comes out, she may very well be 21, and at least 19 when they start filming next year. I mean, she was a 17 year old playing a 14 year old's part!
With a bit of make up, the right clothes, she should have no problem looking her age. I mean, she will be her age, right?
What's the betting that Jar Jar matures and becomes a Jedi, only to be killed off dramatically toward the end of the third film? And we'll be sorry to see it happen!
I heard that it was going to be Rick(y) Schroeder.
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Here is a picture of what Rick(y) would look like as Darth...;)
Then what? The soundtrack by The Backstreet Boys?
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Chef
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If Lukas wants the Tiger Beat crowd, just let the Backstreet boys score the next movie!!
Everyone together now....
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On DiCaprio:
I hope it's the other way around, that Leo is BEGGING Lukas for the part..
Lukas can surely afford to pay Leo's assinine fee, but Lukas has always stayed away from the "Star Factor" hiring decent low-image actors and actresses. Besides, SW doesn't need a film with fodder like Jim Carrey, Hugh Grant or Julia Roberts to attract eyeballs.
I had qualms going into TPM because I knew that Jackson was going to be in the movie. I knew who he was, and frankly, I thought that it would make it that much more difficult to believe his character because of it. Now, Liam Neason (sp is probably very off) was another character that others may have known well. I didn't realize who it was untill after the movie was over and someone told me. At which point, I thought to myself "Oh yeah! Hey, that is the same guy!" But I can just picture myself now, stepping out of the theatre for SW II, and whimpering every time I think of Anakin and associate Growing Pains, and a spoiled twip being glad that he wasn't nominated for any Oscars due to his performance in some disaster movie because he "didn't want to take all of the glory away from the other actors and actresses". How sad can we be?
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Don't do it- that queens a bitch
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Posted by The Mongolian Barbecue:
and not really that hot. I bet Anakin turns to the dark side just so he can do the choking thing to her.
Methinks everyone has become too selfish.
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I spent the past 3 hours reading commments on Slashdot and other sites regarding TPM, Decaprio, and everything else related to Star Wars. If there is anything I learned from this, it's that everyone has become just too selfish. Everyone wants it to be MY Star Wars movie. "TPM sucked hard because it wasn't what I expected", etc. etc. etc. What people need to realize is that one cannot please everyone - if that is what George Lucas tries to do, he will fail because that is impossible. And so he did what was right: He did what HE WANTED TO DO. Guys! Star Wars was dreamed up by him. He created it, he defined it. This is his baby, and he is doing what he wants to with it. And that is why I am cheering him on. Any artist will tell you that artists don't produce work that they think the general public will like. They produce what they want to, what they dream up, what they find interesting or intriguing. And that is what George Lucas is doing. If you read Lucus's biography or the history of the making of A New Hope, you'll see that George was in great difficulties when making it. They were underbudgeted and way behind in the technology they needed to do what George Lucas wanted to. Yet he went on to make his fantasy come to life. In the new trilogy, George Lucas is continuing to do what he should as an artist: Experiment with his latest tools and produce work that HE finds interesting. Now he has all the kool CGI technology he could only dream of back in the 80's.
One thing that I believed that has corrupted the movie industry is that fact that it has almost all but stopped being an art form. I hear all these screams about this and that person being money hungry and doing so and so just to juice the money machine some more. But the same people who are complaing about this are also, without losing any breath, critisizing TPM because it didn't cater to what THEY thought the movie should have been. When people go to an art gallery or a play, they don't criticize the work because THEY didn't like it. The artist isn't trying to please them, he is trying to please himself, and then let others enjoy his work at the same time. If you don't like TPM, why whine? Lucas wasn't making the movie for you. Yes, I realize he has his fans and he wants to please them, but that should not define his work. X is a fan of Y because X likes what Y makes, NOT because Y makes what X wants Y to make.
I'd also like to talk about specific points that I've seen come up over and over. (1) The plot sucked. My question is why do you think it sucked? Because it didn't have deep philosophical aspects? Because it didn't have deep character development? Excuse me, but Star Wars is a stort of space battles, princesses, and heroes "saving the galaxy" (I quote). And that is how I look at it and love it - as a fantastic story of good and evil and their constant strife. Remember A New Hope? Probably the most character development that took place was for C-Threepio. Only in TESB and ROTJ did Lucas go deeper into the story. He is doing exactly the same here. (2) Jar Jar should be crucified. Jar Jar was there for 2 reasons, one because TPM is a movie for all ages and like C-Threepio, comic relief is always welcome. I understand that his carribean accent turned some people off, but hey! so what. The other bigger reason was that Lucas wanted to experiment with fully CGI characters, and Jar Jar was his test-pilot. Lucas obviously had a lot of fun in this movie. He have different species different accents - the underwater creatures more carribean/african, the traders more european. And then there was the Queens hairdo. All fun stuff. This movie is not supposed to be very serious plotwise, it is just an introduction to all the characters who are going to be important very soon (alas, two years ain't soon enough!).
I have written far too much for a simple "comment" already, but I need to cover one more point: (3) Dicaprio Hmmm. First of all, we have no idea what Anakin is supposed to be like in Episode 2. No I don't care how many times you have watched the movies, or read the comics/books, or analyzed everything else. Lucas is writing the story and he can doing anything. For all we know Anakin might have been an annoying but cute starfighter teen-idol with girls flocking him everywhere! Or he might have been a quiet starfighter pilot that people looked up to with awe and mystery. Whatever. If you don't what DiCaprio because you hate the annoying 14-year-olds that keep swooning over him, then your argument is baseless. If you say his physical characteristics don't match, that too is wrong because Anakin wasn't necessarily a big guy as a teen. As for acting, well, we'll have to see.
Before I end I repeat. Give Lucas a break. Let him do what I loves doing. And let us have as much of a great time as he is by enjoying it with him, or just leave him be. I am a Star Wars fan, yes, but not a blind fanatic like a lot of people. I've grown up with Lucas's movies and I respect him for producing kewl stuff, but I am in no position to criticize his work if I don't like it. He does, and that is what matters.
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I would be perfect... Vader gets it on with the queen in the next one, right?
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Take a look Sim Wars, a spoof of Titanic and Star Wars, in which a Star Destroyer has been digitally replaced with the Titanic.
http://www.dailyscifi.com/news/1133.html
Re:using unknown actors is the way to go... YES!
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I have to agree with you there; by not having those known actors in there, the audience has no pre-conceptions of the characters. If they are little known (like Natalie Portman), then that is just as good. I can see using an actor in a part that fits like a glove (Liam Neeson, for example), but I feel that trying to accomplish a task like that is hit and miss (and missing more than hitting). I personally feel that open casting calls would be best (and it would give me a chance:-) but, just as long as it is well cast, I will be happy...
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You're thinking of Kirk Cameron...?
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Jurph
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...except Leonardo DiCaprio wasn't in "Growing Pains." He wasn't even around then. Growing Pains was the Kirk Cameron show. His little sister was in Full House, which went off the air before Leo ever had a big break.
If you're going to cringe about DiCaprio, talk to a professional casting agent first, and find out if a) he can act and b) Jake Lloyd could ever possibly grow up to look like him. I'm a 21-year-old guy--probably the sector of the population least endeared to him besides the fathers of 14-year-old girls--and I don't hate him. I thought he was great in Romeo and Juliet, especially in terms of his facial expressions. Since Lucas' movies are renowned for cheezy (dare I say bad?) dialogue, it could make or break the movie if his facial expressions can carry the emotions of a Jedi being turned.
I would love to be there for his audition: not to say "hahahaha you punk, go get a life," but to honestly evaluate his ability to play the role.
It's too bad there aren't more Star Wars fans out there who are willing to trust George Lucas to do the same thing.
======= Not that I can't see why you'd automatically dismiss him. I mean, last time he was in a poorly-scripted, special-effects picture with nary a developed character, three things happened: 1) he sucked 2) the movie made a $hitload of money 3) and, of course, he sucked.
I can see why Star Wars fans are afraid of this, especially given the played-up hype comparing the earnings of the two movies. But do any of you have the temerity to suggest that you're a bigger fan of Star Wars than George Lucas? That George is only in it for the money (because he really needs that next hundred million)? That, perhaps, he will turn his own movies into some sick, slick capitalist money-horse? Think about it... the only people who are hyping Phantom Menace right now are the merchandisers and the theatre-owners, and perhaps those "unbiased" media sources that have stock in 20th Century Fox.
So relax. Go watch Phantom Menace a few more times, watch Episodes IV, V, and VI with someone who's never seen them, and listen to them complain about Luke. Or C-3P0. Or the mile-wide gaping plot holes.
"Wait... so this whiny redneck and his pet garbage can just blew up a space station that was practically paved with anti-aircraft weaponry?"
Give Lucas some credit, and don't expect too much from him. In the words of Han Solo,
"Relax, kid."
Give him some credit; it's his movie, after all.
Save Natalie Portman!!!
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If for no other reason, Leo should be banned from Anakin's role simply 'cause he's not good enough for Natalie Portman.
Seeing the young Anakin hit on her was bad enough... seeing Leo as the youth Anakin trying to get into her shorts will be reason enough for me to KILL. That's quite a valid case of temporary insanity there!
...I mean this far before Episode I came out we were inundated with Kenneth Branagh as Obi-Wan and Charleton Heston rumors, and we can see how accurate those were.
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The lack of maturity of slashdotters
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I like reading the stories on slashdot, but in the last couple weeks I have become totally disgusted with the users of slashdot.
You fit all the immature whiny nerd images I can think of. You start off cool by liking something as brilliant as the Star Wars trilogy and then don't have the maturity or intelligence to handle the new films at all. 95% of the discussion on Jar Jar and Anakin et al has been whiny crap from people complaining that certain parts of these movies aren't how THEY would have planned them.
What happened to your faith in George Lucas and the story itself? You loved what he did with the other movies and now when he is inspired to continue the saga you rip him to shreads. I think you should all take a step back and realize you aren't the only ones in the world and that your little nitpicks are stupid, selfish, and annoying to the rest of us.
In terms of Leonardo DiCaprio. Before Titanic he was regarded as one of the premiere young actors. Films such as "What's Eating Gilbert Grape" and "The Basketball Diaries" being two of his critically acclaimed roles. Even Woody Allen casted him in his last movie because he was a good ACTOR, not to get girls to see the film.
I think this rumor is probably not true but if he was cast he would probably be one of the better actual actors to be in a Star Wars film. You people should like this especially because of some of your whining about Jake Lloyd's Anakin in TPM. And in terms of him tainting the role? I mean come on... Titanic was one movie... unfortunately it gave him a reputation and became something horrible in terms of what it did to our countries movie industry. However, for you people to turn against the possibility of this casting just based on this one movie is shortsighted, ignorant, and again immature.
I know some people here are not like the majority of posters but I just really wanted to get this out because a lot of the people here need to grow the hell up
Josh
Re:The lack of maturity of slashdotters
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I think you make some good points. This isn't living up to people's expectations so they immediately notice what they don't like and forget what they do.
And luke, C3PO, and the ewoks are all annoying too. It's true we notice less because we've seen the movies so many times and accept them for what they are.
But I think you're off a bit about a couple of things.
First of all, Leo is famous. That's a bad thing in the Star Wars universe. What makes Star Wars so good is that it is essentially fantasy. Suspension of disbelief is extremely important. When it's done right you forget you're watching a movie, and feel more like you're getting a glimpse of another universe. The wide visuals in TPM did that extremely well.
Unfortunately seeing famous actors kinda reminds you you're watching a movie. Sam Jackson is a great actor, but unfortunately he reminded me I was watching a movie in TPM and kinda spoiled the moment a bit. Now imagine how hard it would be to forget you're watching a movie if Lenny is the lead. It will be very hard to fall under the spell and forget it's a movie.
As for Jar Jar, sure there were annoying characters in other movies, but they weren't as useless or as intrusive. C3PO talked to the Millenium Falcon Hyperdrive, talked to luke about being in the rebellion, fooled the guards in the death star, and did a few other useful things. The ewoks helped fight the storm troopers. But Jar Jar really doesn't do much of anything useful. The only useful things he does is helps the Jedi find his people but other than that he just gets in the way and annoys people. Maybe if he showed a bit of courage at the end or something it would make him worthwhile, but for a 3-d computer character he's really pretty much one dimentional.
Re:The lack of maturity of slashdotters
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I agree what you said about Leonardo. I'm not his fan very much so maybe I am a bit uninformed about that subject, but the movies you mentioned showed him as an EMPATHIC actor with skills - not so bad.
Concerning the new film: I haven't seen it yet because I live in Germany, but I presume, most of the bleating is due to the fact that nostalgy is irrational/uncool from the beginning and you can't explain such a 'foolish' behaviour in relation to a new piece of all-day-culture -> pop-culture, that Star Wars definetely is and was.
Someone will probably beat me to it, but Ep. 2 needs someone who 1) can pull off looking like Jake Lloyd at 15, and 2) has no trouble with Anakin's inevitable seduction by the Dark Side.
So if DeCaprio's not the guy, he's probably on the short list of capable actors who meet both criteria.
My doubts about this rumor, if I gave it much thought, would focus on 1) DeCaprio's inevitable price tag and Lucas' willingness to pay it, and 2) DeCaprio avoiding wrecking himself on monster binges long enough to get through filming.
Of course, Carrie Fisher did alright in three movies whilst coked up pretty heavily (so I hear).
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the problem of Jar Jar and the fate of Leonardo
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The problem with Jar-Jar, oh "Hero With a Thousand Faces" student, is not one of design but of implementation.
Jar-Jar is symptomatic of the biggest problem that plagues "The Phantom Menace": Unlike "A New Hope", the characters are not "archetypes" as you suggest, but caricatures. The essential mythological qualities of each character are developed out of proportion to and at the expense of any normal character development which is generally referred to as "depth".
Jar-Jar is not just an outsider. He is instead the total inverse of the "insider". He is annoying because he is contrived to be an outsider in every possible way, which make him completely unbelievable.
As for the ladies' favorite Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle: I believe Leonardo couldn't possibly be as damaging to the series as Jar-Jar. However, he is as likely to demonstrate a complete inability to act in the big part as was the lovely and (otherwise) talented Natalie Portman.
While she may be the finest Hollywood actress to grace the silver screen since Audrey Hepburn, in "The Phantom Menace" Miss Portman's acting stank like a river of pig vomit. This is the problem with populating the new Star Wars series with "fine Hollywood actors". These actors are accustomed to playing parts in which it is their characters that make the story interesting; in Star Wars it is the story that makes the characters interesting.
It takes a mature actor (e.g. Liam Neeson, Alec Guiness) or one who has not yet been spoiled by acting in parts where the entire story centers on the development of his or her character (e.g. Harrison Ford, Mark Hammil) to make a two dimensional character (like those in all the Star Wars movies) interesting enough to watch.
will smith
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i say cast will smith as vader. "he turned brown b4 he went completely black" (not saying brown ppl are evi, i'm kinda brown myself;))
It says that 'Nardo has been seen at the Ranch. It *speculates* the he was because Lucas wants him to play Skywalker. That part is wildly uncomfirmed .
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maybe it's a good trend?
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Episode 1 was tagetted at 10 year old boys. With leo, episode 2 will be for 15 year old girls. Maybe episode 3 will be for people who were alive when episode 4 came out? Of course by then I'll be over 30....
I know this is a bit offtopic, but I was wondering if there is a place I could get the lyrics to track 2 of the Star Wars sound track, Duel of Fates. I bought the cd and feel like I have a right to know what they are saying:-)
It does sound awesome
tugrul
Some other suggestions since this is a rumor
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DP
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Brad Pitt Edward Norton James van der Beek
opinions (or other guesses)?
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Re:Duel of Fates (off-topic)
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That article in the Boston Globe said what the lyrics are in English (although not what Sanskrit corresponds) Unfortunately, you have to pay for the article.
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Leo-chan!
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I think he'd be an excellent choice! 1)He can act the ass off of almost anybody out there in his age group--Romeo & Juliet, Titanic and Basketball Diaries are exibits A, B and C, respectivly; 2)He's *hellaciously* CUTE; 3)He does sort of look like a grown-up version of the adorable munchkin we saw in Ep.1; 4) Did I mention his exquisite cuteness? ^_^ Despite all the Leo-bashers (can you think of someone better? And please don't say Rick Shroeder) I think he'd be perfect. The only problem might come from the face that he's so well known, people might look at him and think, "that's not Anakin Skywalker, that's Leo DeCaprio *playing* Anakin Skywalker," something you wouldn't get with a relative unknown. Still, I think kawaii no Leo-chan is worth the risk!
I do not see why everybody is so upset about DeCaprio. He is a talented, I would even say one of the most talented young actors of these days and he played well in quite a few movies. I think that his acting in "Titanic" was superb. The only reason I see that he should not star in SW II is that his face is too well known to the public and as long as I understand Lucas doesn't use well known faces ( or at least IMHO he shouldn't ) in his movies. Seeing a well known actor in a movie takes just a little bite out of sense of realism that movie transpires. Otherwise LDC is OK.
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Dear Moronic Moderator: Look up "troll".
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Thank you.
That post was not a troll. It just wasn't.
Damn, this morning I got to be a moderator for something boring (I can't even remember what), and now I'm not a moderator when it would come in handy. Not that the above post says anything that hasn't been said before ad nauseam, but it's the principle of the thing.
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Everyone's overlooking that Lucas had an artist do drawings of Ewan to see if he'd look anything like Alec at that age.
DiCaprio looks nothing like Jake Lloyd and even less like Sebastian Shaw. *Thankfully* the same can be said for the blonde guy in Dawson.
You need a 20-something with chubby cheeks. Hmmm...maybe I should audition. Nope too short, only 5'11".
"For Lloyd, their management strategy has, thus far, paid off with a three picture deal with 20th Century Fox."
If Jake's going to be in all three movies, what other character would he be playing then?!
Seb.
If they will allow Leo De'Qeer to be in the movie, i bet you they will loose 30% of the visitors.
I can't stop laughing...
just think for a moment of the following scene...
Keanu Reeves as Darth Vader,
saying (in typical Keanu accent)
"Luke, I am your father."
Well I don't even know what you are reading because that is not what I was saying....
I was stating that I think that a lot of the responses to TPM have been stupid. I am not saying any of you are stupid, I am merely saying that in my opinion the reasoning behind a lot of the posts are.
You seem to want to believe that I was calling you all morons but I was not so I think you are the one who should try actually reading the words in my post
When I was a kid I thought the Ewoks were cool, I had all the toys. Now I see my fault... but I've certainly gotten used to them. They've become a part of the story too. At least they don't try to 'spake' :p
At least it would be clear that Anikin is moving to the Dark Side if DiCrapio plays him ;-)
-nate
Well, how about we add another movie where he did a wonderful job? What's Eating Gilbert Grape, IMHO, was one of his best acting jobs yet. I think it was a very demaning role, because it was hard to really get into such a bizarre character. [side note: I liken that to Tim Curry's wonderful portayal of FrankNFurter in the movie version of Rocky Horror Picture Show--both of them were weird, irregular characters, so almost everything about them had to be created by the actor.]
So, two good movies for him? Two bad ones? Two good ones early in his career, two bad ones later on? How much you wanna bet he made more money on each of the bad ones than he did on the two good ones combined?
I must admit that I don't know the guy's work that well--how many other movies does he have under his belt?
I wish that the rumors are just that...rumors. I never liked Leo as an actor. To me, the only reason that he does as well as he does is that he makes the young girls wet. I won't say that his acting is bad, but it never did anything for me. Half the time if you were to ask me to name some young male actors, and I don't remember him. I think that George Lucas could find a better choice than him for the older Anakin. I'll still go and see ep2 in the theater, and if done right, I'll probally enjoy it. Hell, he might finally turn out all right in this one. Mark Hamil, the whiny scrawny blond, didn't do to bad in his later years as an actor. Maybe Leo might mature as his boyinh looks start to fail him
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I think Leo would make a pretty good Anakin. Who else good father a pretty boy like Mark hamill's Luke?
Apparently you've looked pretty close, hmmm.....
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Amen to that. I think that you 'average slashdotters' are really being immature about the movie. You seem to have been drooling for it for months, (even years), and then when it comes out, you can't find anything better to do than to complain about it. Jar jar this, and annakin that, and not enough maul, or character dev., midiclorians, blah blah blah. Grow up, you whiners. Star Wars after all is just a movie. It's not a religion - and it's not perfect, but no movie is. Just suspend your disbelief, and your cynicism, and enjoy it for what it is.
I have yet to see a more ingenious story line than Star Wars, and TPM fits into the other three movies pretty well.
In my opinion, TPM is awesome. I think that George Lucas has shown the world that you can make a great movie without having to overload it with profanity, nudity, or violence. The movie was great, and if you don't think so, maybe you should see it again.
I hope not. I haven't seen that many movies of Leo's, but I haven't been particularly impressed.
He just doesn't strike me as the young adult version of Anakin Skywalker, unless Anakin is supposed to come off as whining, everyone wished he would get killed type.
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"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limits."
Slap her some silicone, and she could pass for older.
If she plays opposite decapio, there has to be some adult action going on!
>>I have never seen Titanic, nor do I intend to.
It is a pity. I think it is a very well done movie although with some extra effort built into it to cause naive girls to cry, but still a very good movie, with very good camera work, acting, costumes and plot.
If you are not one of them snseless DeCaprio hate club members you should definitely see it
Everybody Lies. But it doesn't matter since nobody listens.
There is a story on Jedinet.com that tells that Nardo was at the Skywalker Ranch to see the movie, not for casting.
He WAS fighting pretty effectively with his Drunken Master style...
Nay! I say Kevin Smith! hehehe...
Posted by funk311:
Isn't Leo the ultimate source of evil in the universe anyway?
Posted by majestic1:
Casting abilities?????? HAHHA.. what about young anakin in the phantom menace.. you call THAT good casting? the rumor i heard was that they called him manakin skywalker on the set.. he was a robot, a block of wood..
A preview for DiCaprio's next movie, I think _The Beach_, played on opening day before TPM. SW fans laughed out loud at the trailer least three times during close-ups of DiCaprio emoting.
I did too, and I had no problems with his work in Titanic or Celebrity.
Posted by Bill, the Galactic Hero:
Fine, cast DiCaprio for Episode 2.
Just as long as you cast Bobcat Goldthwait for Episode 3.
(Actually, he does kind of look like a young version of Vader with his helmet off in Return of the Jedi)
In Premiere she said she was signed for all three.
If im not mistaken.
Hey come on... you all have this idea that Leo is some girlie boy who isn't even a decent actor.
Well have you ever seen What's Eating Gilbert Grape? He played that retarded boy like he was retarded himself in real life.
So come on... give him a chance... you're probably all just jealous.
Posted by majestic1:
Next time you post, make sure to let yourself come off the drugs.
Leo is a Sprout Faced boy. Say no more. Let's face it though, we're all going to go and see it even if it does have him in it - just like we're all going to go and see Episode 1 even if it gets absolutely rubbish reviews.
Maybe not a boat per se, but a (star)ship perhaps?
*grin*
But an actor that could pass for both teen (ep2) and adult (ep3) is needed.
He fits the bill. Shudder.
But the Ewoks and Jar-Jar ARE annoying. NO-ONE likes either of them.
The people who say "Lucas can't please everyone" don't seem to get this point : everyone _would_ be pleased if Lucas didn't turn the films into the muppet-show.
Posted by Albert Einstein:
I have no interest in Star Wars or Leo di Caprio,
and I'm disappointed to find this stuff on Slashdot.
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I'm not suprised at the nitpicking (hrrm... open source movie bugfixing?), but not because of the "maturity level" of Slashdot. It's more because of the nature of the medium in general.
:) Overall, I thought it was great.
We've been conditioned to naturally reject the (admittedly, not always) AOL "me too" syndrome. It seems to me that a lot of people are posting problems with the movie not because they hated it, but because there's no point at all in even posting an "I liked it" comment. There's no signal, just more noise to ignore.
Wow, I sound so clinical... Jar Jar annoys the hell out of me, but that doesn't mean that I didn't really enjoy TPM.
WWJD? JWRTFM!!!
First off, it's pretty obvious it isn't going to happen. Leo is 12-13 years older than the role, Lucas hasn't even begun to cast yet (the script would probably need to be finished before that happened, wouldn't it?), and all he actually did was see a movie at a ranch. No big deal.
Where I *would* want to see him, though, is Episode III. The age difference wouldn't be as important, the guy can definitely play evil (Man in the Iron Mask), and he does have an imposing presence when the role asks for it (again, Iron Mask.) Besides, he'd get minimum screen time anyway (most of the time he'd presumably be behind a mask.)
BTW, for those obsessing over future plot lines, they will almost certainly, IMO, be summed up by Anakin's feelings:
Episode 1: Fear
Episode 2: Anger, Hate (I think I can guess why. Guess we'll have to wait and see...)
Episode 3: Suffering (I think this should be more than just the lava, but again, I guess we'll have to wait and see)
Right on. Jar Jar = C3P0 = supporting 'actor' that is anoying, but becomes a part of the thing that is Star Wars.
And as far as 'Leo' is concerned, my girlfriend made a good point. When did George Lucas ever pick a "Famous" person for a role in Star Wars. From what I've heard, Samuel L. Jackson begged to be in the movie, so Lucas let him have that little piece of a part. And we all saw what that did to the movie. By that I don't mean it made the movie horrible, but for a second it took you out of the story and made you realize it was a movie. I think Lucas has more sense than to do that again. Or at least I hope he does.
What can I say? I think that Sir Alec Guiness saved Episode IV from being a simple shoot-em-up, blow-up-things-in-space movie. Ford was fun, but Guiness made it all seem more meaningful.
Lucas' best casting came from his trawling of Hammer Horror films for Episode IV. Peter Cushing as Grand Moff Tarkin and David Prowse as Darth Vader? Who could ask for a better pair of villains!
Gem of trivia I accidentally found on the Internet Movie Database -> David Prowse played Hotblack Desiato's bodyguard in The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy! Amazing!
Wouldn't it be funny if Lucas decided to get back at all the Jar Jar bashing (he's NOT for the older age groups, yet people can't seem to accept that) by casting Leo for Anakin. If this WAS true, I bet everyone would turn around and start yelling "WE LOVE JAR JAR." :) Lucas has also said that Episode 2 was supposed to be the "romantic" one...maybe he's thinking he could use Leo to draw all the ladies to watch...worked for Titanic after all.
:) He's not big enough to be Vader I think anyway, way too scrawny.
The really really bad thing would be if Lucas does cast him, he'd be in both Ep2 and Ep3. Ick! The bright side (if you can call it that) of Leo being casted is that we see him fall into a molten pit in Ep3.
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Darth Vader is pure evil...who better to play pure evil than that evil bastar^H^H^H^H^H actor. This casting is pure genius...someone who we can really, really hate.
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I honestly don't understand what the problem with Leonardo DiCaprio is. And after reading the discussion, I still don't know, and now I think I must be the only one who doesn't know. So teenage girls are obsessed with him, the media is obsessed with him. Isn't he a good actor? Is there a reason he's so wrong for the part?
I don't personally care whether he is in the movie or not. I'm just trying to understand why everyone else does care.
Leo, is just that, a type cast punk. Me thinks that this is a viscious rumor in the wake of the premier of the Phantom Menace.
And, someone correct me if I'm wrong, The Second feature is already in development. Correct?
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He would be a great choice..
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If your only exposure to DiCaprio was Titanic, than sure, you're going to be hell bent on killing him before he ruins Episode 2. If, however, you have seen his other work, you, like me, will be sceptical but not horrified. If you've seen "Basketball Diaries," "This Boys Life," or "What's Eating Gilbert Grape," DiCaprio distinguishes himself as a great actor for someone his age. Lucas has always said, "I don't cast stars, I make them" so I have a feeling if DiCaprio is going to be in the movie, it will be a sort-of cameo like Samuel Jackson in Ep1. You never know though, he does look like he could be the father of Luke.
I must agree. I'd like to kill that little punk. he exemplifies "pretty boy"ness... i wish someone would assassinate him.
I second that. :)
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Stop bashing Leo. He just had the bad luck to be in Titanic.
I agree with you.
Hey... why not Rob Malda... he's not as well known as say Leo, but I'm sure that you'll get nothing but 110% from him. He will become well known for being the Anakin Skywalker that goes to the Dark Side and will subsequently never get any other movie offers, but at least he'll have his site to fall back on.
How 'bout that?
Out.
You folks are so worried about a pretty boy potentially playing the future Darth Vader, when the likes of Mark Hamill whined his way through episodes 4 - 6? Hamill's voice cracked, he was 2-dimensional and the character came off as a spoiled little kid trying too hard to please in one scene, caring only for himself in another.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of the series. (I have the added bonus of being old enough to have seen the original release of Episode 4 in the theatre without my mommy and daddy.) But know enough to expect only certain things from any Star Wars flick -- shallowness of character, reluctant heroes, special effects, and a few pretty faces. This ain't a gourmet meal, folks, it's movie McDonald's!
Leo's not my favorite for the future part, but considering the acts he has to follow...it certainly isn't worth punishing yourself and staying home for the remaining prequels.
As George Lucas himself said; "It really is only a movie."
Consigned to flames of woe.
if i recall correctly (and it's been a while so i might not), Mark Hamill's contract was for 4 movies. 3 as Luke and 1 as an unspecified other character.
I dont think we'll be seeing him in the next one, but maybe he'll be Anakin in #3.
of course, it's also possible he'll be sitting next to Willow at the pod races when Anakin shows up to free the slaves.
personally, i think i'll wait until the next movie comes out before i start worrying about it.
Darth --
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what are you talking about... singers don't need to understand what they are saying!!!! its just sounds they are emitting, while it is easier to sing something you can understand it is not a necessity...
First Jar Jar, then DiCrapio...
:)
What's next, Roseanne as Jabba the Hut?
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Hell yes! I'm an (mini-)award-winning ameter Australian actor living in Adeliade, if you're listening! (Be listening!) I want the part! I want the part! Come to my my friend!
Believe with me, my saplings.
In reference to "The Beach"...gasp, retch....
If DeCrapio is working on that movie right now,
and if SWEp2 is supposedly _already_ in production, wouldn't that most likely preclude
his involvment? I would imagine that, at the
least, Lucas would demand the full time of the
actors...not to mention the blue-screening and
other effects would probably require it.
when I see a Star Wars movie is the lack of famous actors. I don't want to say, "hey! there's Captain Picard as Qui Gon!" or "there's the Terminator as head of security!"
I want to see charachters, not actors. Even if Leo has talent up the arse, he should NOT be in Star Wars for that reason alone.
The only way it would work is if he were in costume and his voice was modified so you'd have to watch the credits to find out who he was.
I would have blown this rumor off, except Lucas did cast Samuel L. Jackson in the TFM. Not that Jackson was bad at playing a Jedi Master, but "may the force be with you" lost something when falling from the lips of the hitman of Pulp Fiction.
Anybody would be better than cool leo! I personally liked the rumor that they were thinking of Rick Shrouder (From NYPD Blue). He looks a lot like anakin and is big enough to turn into vader. If leo is in EP2 I will make an effort not to see it.
please . . . no! I could never take the movie seriously!
Vote 1 Jar-Jar!
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My wife is Japanese too, and she just loves Leo.
Of course the Japanese think some lame guy who snaps his fingers is entertainment, and that Hosokawa Fumie has large breasts.
"Reactionaries must be deprived of the right to voice their opinions; only the people have that right." - Mao
Wow. Not only do you need to get some perspective in life, but you should work on your English skills.
I had thought that Lucas was seriously considering Brendan Frasier for the roll. Now that would be cool.....
Yeesh -- good point; I forgot about The Man in the Iron Mask. Actually, I probably have a mental block about it.... a classic book that I knew would be a flop of a movie.
:)
My personal prediction is that Lucas won't choose him for the role, for exactly the reason you mentioned ("...excess baggage from previous roles..."). I have to admit it took me a few minutes to believe Ewan McGregor's jedi role since Trainspotting --
In the end I guess we'll put our faith in Mr Lucas; he has a penchant for balancing these kind of things.
->Who here REALLY wants to share the opening night theaters with not only fellow geeks, but hordes of young teen females-
I prolly woulda seen TPM by now if that was the case.
I fully agree that Leo has talent and can be a decent actor.
The problem I see is with image. You think the "sell-out" cries about TPM have been strong? Just imagine the cries about Leo.
I also really dread seeing a Star Wars movie being a chick-flick.
But aside from that, this might actually make people have really low expectations to begin with for a change...
I can't even begin to see him as being Vader. Not even close. Besides, if Natalie Portman got to play Amidala again I would be really angry to see the romantic scenes...Leo doesn't deserve her!
The scene between Amidala and young Annakin on the ship heading to Coruscant was clunky and painful enough....please no more Lucas!
Posted by lekkim:
Well, he may be the new hyped up wonderboy...but i find that he actually acts quite good...
Basketball Dairies(?) and even Romeo and Juliet were some ok movies...But he doesn't fir into the SW universe....we have no need for pretty boys...Wipe them out...All of them
Young Lady: Are you a dangerous Sith Lord, or just a handsome Jedi who likes to poke around?
Will Smith/Anakin: I believe I'm that second one ma'am.
Cute idea, but he's a bit to rouwdy for a Jedi/Sith. Someone like Han Solo yeah, but not Anakin. God forbid. With him and Queen Amadala...Yoda would say on his death bed. There are thirty more Skywalkers
-- Wiccan Army, 13th Airborne Division "We will not fly silently into the night"
Wait 5 years before starting to shoot the next movie and then use Jake! He's so cuuuuute! Woooopie!!!!!
Anyway, Leo Desuckrio is far too old to be playing a teenager anymore. He looks like he's 35.
WTF!?!
Yeh, nick cage is a great actor, but can you imagine him as a 19 year old kid? we might as well cast Patrick Stewart, he's a good actor...
I personally think Leo would make a good Anikin, He really is a good actor, I think. While its true that He is pretty famous, I think you'd get over that quickly. Liam Neson and Ewin McGregor were both pretty famous to.
Besides, he couldn't be any worse then Mark Hamil
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Then answer me this: is Leo dicaprio really that good looking?
All the chicks I know say so...
excuse the jar jar comment. So, if Jar jar is out of the second one, what, we get to replace him with a bigger, more annoying human? yikes. I hope Lucas would now better that he'd lose all Star Wars fans in favor of winning over the teenage girl camp *a-hem..anyone remember Wing Commander?*
Well, I'm always glad to hear criticism from someone able to adjust to the stark fact of a world with a Star Wars film that is absolutely moronic. As the bicephalous pod race commentator/cartoon says, in an effort to reassure you that its all a joke on you, "In any universe, that's got to hurt." I at once respect you for such an existential constition and at the same time (if you actually assert that TPM was even a passable SW film) think you insane.
Pehaps Lucas found that exihibition of spitting in Titanic a promising complement to his Star Wars with a fart joke!
Casting Leo in SW would be a *horrible* choice. In the theater where I saw TPM, there was a trailer for an upcoming Leo movie. The booing was so loud I couldn't even hear the trailer! I think it is obvious that Star Wars fans and Leo fans don't overlap very much...
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If the lead actor of that bomb were ever in a star wars movie, i'd skip it!
Urkel as Lando.
Robin Williams as Yoda.
Captain Sisko as Mace Windu.
Selma Hyack as Amidala.
Have Opie direct it.
Soundtrack by Jewel & Celine Dion.
You get the idea.
Barfffffffff.
Someone on the website this article is from mentioned Edward Norton. I totally agree. He would be perfect for it, just dye his hair blond. Norton is an incredible actor (see: American History X) and can play both good and evil, and is not as scrawny or girly as Leo. I'm not sure how old he is, but do we really know how old anakin is supposed to be in the next one? Anyways, I cast my vote for Norton.
"A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep." --Saul Belloe
The latest rumor I caught wind of out here in L.A. was that they were looking at casting Ryan Phillipe for the part.
For the record, I could live with that. Leo's never done anything for me (major turn-off: the part of The Three Musketeers when they were in bed I couldn't tell which was Leo and which was the girl), but Ryan's a babe.
Wouldn't a TPM/Pulp Fiction spoof be hilarious?
"White people who know good pod racers, this is the house they come to."
"Do you see the sign at the end of my driveway? The sign that says 'Dead Ewok Storage'? No? Well, that's 'cause storin' dead ewok's aint my business!"
I can think of 6 movies that I know Leo has been in. Tally 'em up:
........ Brilliant .............. Good .................... Good ............................. Bad ............ Terrible ........................... Jury's Out
What's Eating Gilbert Grape?
The Basketball Diaries
Romeo and Juliet
Titanic
The Man in the Iron Mask
The Beach
Well... so far, as far as I'm concerned, he hasn't done all that badly... Although granted, the direction appears to be headed inexorably downward. But I'll wait until I hear about The Beach, at least, before I make any further judgement.
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None of the songs I tried to pull up had any lyrics to view. Just the artist's name, title of song and what album. Even songs that used to be on the old lyrics.ch.
Stinkin' RIAA pigs!
*n/t*
is this what slashdot is becoming, or has it been this way all along?
propagating unsubstantiated rumours as usual...
That's just BS. A rumor. Easy to tell. Why?
A) George Lucas isn't *stupid*. He got where he was by making bright moves and not following the herd. Besides, people hire people like Leo DiCap to try to generate publicity for their movie (STARRING xxxxx!!). Somehow, I think that Star Wars isn't really in need of generated publicity.
B) I don't believe that Lucas is really in favor of hiring ultra-famous actors. Yeah, the kid who plays Anakin, but there aren't *that* many good actors that age, so there wasn't much choice. I sorta like movies more when I don't recognize the actor (oh, look, it's Arnie Shwartzenface with some face paint and a wig on!), and I think Lucas recognizes that.
I'm not that big of a Star Wars fan and I'd certainly pay $7 to see Lucas dance around naked with a light saber. It'd probably be the funniest damned movie of the year. Maybe have him ballet dance with Anakin and Luke to Swan Lake.
Last rumor I heard is that he would do anything to be in the next SW movie, but he hasn't been signed on as Anakin.....yet. Lucas wants a noname.
"I'd be smart if I didn't let thinking get in the way."
... as far as I know:
:)
Originally a rather famous Celtic Poem by the name of Cad Goddeu, or The Battle Of The Trees which was then translated into english, and from there they had it translated into Sanskrit for use as vocals in the song. An english translation(done by Robert Graves) can be found HERE.
If I'm incorrect, sorry, but this is just what I've heard.
- Never imagine yourself not to be otherwise than what you had been would have appeared to them to be otherwise.
Isn't Anakin/Vader about 6'5"? Isn't Leo about 5'6"? How does one explain the difference? I guess in Episode 3 Anakin/Vader will be strapped to a medieval rack and stretched.
i refuse to beleive that god on earth would make a pact with the devil. it can not be
Lucas had the actors in Ep1 sign on for all three films I highly doubt we'll see anyone other than Jake and Natalie being Luek and Leia's parents.
don't make me shoot myself, george. have some pity on those of use who watch your movies and pay your salary... *whimper*
i hate starting my day with rumors like this...
Well, I'm not! I think he's sexy! ^_^
This is obviously false, though, it's going to be interesting as to who finally gets the role. How old is Anakin supposed to be in EP2?
And as for waiting 5 years for the kid playing Anakin in EP1 -- he seemed arrogant and full of himself to me -- in the movie and in interviews. Then you could argue that he was supposed to be like that, but I think i'd disagree in that we should have seen Anakin make a transition in character as the story went on. We can forgive and identify with the once-good, but those that have always had a lack of virtue we do not.
Hopefully the Anakin in Episode 2 will convey this.
-djp
if you think about it. It's a good idea as far as Lucas is concerned. it's the only way to get Star Wars geeks and 13 year old girls to go see it.
Go here to get better information on episode II
http://www.naboonline.com
What do you expect when you bring 80,000 guys together to talk about Star Wars? Besides, this thread is mostly here so we can toss around a few jokes.
Check out Jeffery Wells' Column on Mr Showbiz. I pretty much agree with what he has to say: DiCaprio looks like he could be Jake Lloyd grown up, he really is a good actor at showing rage and anger, (gee, do you think that could be important?) and because he looks young for his age, he would be at about the right age to be Anakin.
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Star Wars is an epic fantasy with a deep, interesting and passionate story. It is the story of a world we don't live in and the wonderful and horrible things that happen there.
Annakin is an EXTREMELY intelligent person. Leo, well...I'm sure he PASSED high school...or did he drop out to make films?
I don't want this woman-idol playing the part of the character who is to most of us both the ultimate evil and the ultimate good.
If you have ever read a fantasy, if you find them invigorating and thrilling and if they become a part of your life forever, you would know why most of us would be devastated if Leo was cast as Annakin.
Ever read Lord of the Rings? Imagine a movie was made and Adam Sandler was cast as Gandalf...a slight exaggeration, yet it brings out the same emotion of absolute horror. I for one will do anything to keep Episode 2 from turning into more of a kiddie show than Episode 1. Jar-Jar i disliked, yet I recognize his importance to the movie, and at the second viewing of the film he was not quite as annoying.. Leo, I'm afraid, just isn't acceptable at all.
Everyone hates Leo because of his role in Titanic and the subsequent media hype about him as a teen idol hearthrob. I've always liked Leo and think he is a good actor, other than Titanic he never plays the nice romantic guy, that's just the character that the media portrayed him as after the success of Titanic. If you would watch some of his other movies, I think you would really enjoy them.
Who here REALLY wants to share the opening night theaters with not only fellow geeks, but hordes of young teen females screaming and drooling over him? Gack.
Of course, imagine the box office sales..
Lets all do Lucas a favor and list off actors that could do the role who AREN'T Leo. I'm sure we could come across far better actors who aren't hearthrobs.
Oops... forgot Celebrity. Haven't seen that one, though, so perhaps soemone else can fill me in...? I know the film itself didn't do all that well financially, but howabout critically? And more important, howabout the actors in it (a.k.a. Leo)?
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Hmmm. . .actually, he'd be better as Lando Calrissian's father. Much cooler then Billy D. Williams, too.
Looks like the budget for episode 2 just went up about $20M.
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It's probably a lie, considering how Lucas avoids typecasting. Besides, it's too early to cast.
Assume it's not, though: Anakin is a tragic figure. A teen who's falling into the dark side. Who eventually betrays his friends and mentors. Who destroys the Jedi.
Dicaprio can play such a character; if you don't believe me go rent "The Man in the Iron Mask." The dual role of the king and his twin is not the same character, but it requires the same range. And he's blond.
-- Out of cheese error! Redo from start.
Actually I would have to say two cheesy movies...
The Man in an Iron Mask which came out after Titanic had Dicaprio in it, and acting was still second rate.... don't know who the director on that one was, but it just seemed to be a rehash of his Titantic character in 16 century France... completely wooden emotions and characterization...
while this might be a fluke along with Titanic, I would have to honest and say it would detract from my personal enjoyment of the movie if he were cast. Besides Lucas has tryed to use lesser known acters just for this reason, so the viewer does not bring excess baggage from previous roles to the theater that ruins their enjoyment of the movie....
But it really is too early in the process to jump to such conclusions, and i agree that it is ultimately up to Lucas to decide, we can only cast our ballet for or against the movie with our money.
Well, given his current behavior (using drugs, getting smashed, etc.) I would feel sorry for any director who cast him. That added to the fact that his acting has careened downhill since "Gilbert Grape" makes me very suspicious of the commentary that Lucas "wants" him in SWEp2. This sounds to me like "Leo wants in, so he's probably in" thinking from the people at AICN.
What's with all the morons posting this crap lately?
What better way to transform Anakin into Vader than to make the entire viewing audience hate him? Leo will make the villification a simple process.
An over-hyped actor for an over-hyped movie series. Both are the epitome of style over substance. As far as I'm concerned, you couldn't find a better fit.
What da heck is this???
I hope this is only a rumor!
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MEHHEHMHMHMHMHMHMHMHM
Where do you get off casting the rest of us as immature because we don't have the same blind love for Lucas and the Trilogy that you do? I was under the impression that the Slashdot forums were here so we could talk about the subject -- in this case what we thought about having Leo as Anakin in Ep. 2.
If you think he's a fine actor, that's your opinion and you have the right to say so. But don't you dare say the rest of us somehow don't have a right to say that Leo sucks while hiding behind the "grow up" thing.
I mean, listen to yourself. We don't have the "maturity or intelligence to handle the new films at all." Possibly we don't, and maybe we are too critical of the films, but at least the majority of us aren't assholes about it.
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I would bet that leo will be too old to play anakin in the second movie. more probable will be someone about the age and look of a ryan phillippe. even more likely IMHO will be an unknown (to us, today) cali rent-a-hunk that will break big with episode two in the same way that jake lloyd became anakin version 1.0
I drink to make other people more interesting
Sorry... Star Wars is George Lucas.
Not to take anything away from those other directors you mentioned, but there is no possible way that any of them could do a half-decent job of directing a Star Wars film.
Sorry... I believe I could take just about anything, but the one single thing that is central to Star Wars... is George Lucas. Any other director would make a different movie. End of story. I repeat:
Star Wars is George Lucas.
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I think Lucas shouldn't let that faget ruin the next star wars. How could you have one of the biggest pussies in the world be the one that is suppose to bring balance to the force. He would be better positioned as one of the queens hand maids.
Posted by Amar Kinseth:
My vision of Darth Vader will be forever horribly tainted!
Leonardo was also offered the Neo part of the Matrix, but he turned it down due to the amount of special fx's this movie featured.
Mr. Bean as the Emperor.
God forbid.
Well, *now* we know why Anakin turns to the Dark Side!
Anakin:
Never let go.
Amidala:
I promise. I will never let go, Anakin. I'll never let go.
Well since they made Annakin a little to cutesy for episode 1 why not go over the top for episode 2? As long as Jar Jar dies some mysterious death inbetween 1 and 2 I'll still see it.
- Ethan Hawke - if you saw him in Gattaca, you know he's pretty good. He would be believable.
- Matt Damon - definitely believable. My fiancee loved his performance in Good Will Hunting.
Other suggestions?Eric
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Oh yeah! This is the one where the Millennium Falcon hits an iceberg, and Skywalker and the really cute redhead are floating in the ocean and it's really cold, and hey.... wait a minute... that's not how it went! Oh well, I'm just kidding, but I'd better not hear any Celine Dion songs in reference to this one.
I admit, I haven't seen all of Leo's work, but what I've seen hasn't even come close to impressing me (The Man in the Iron Mask had potential, but not wth him in it). I've heard that Rick Schroeder may also be in the running - he'd be a much better fit. Vader is a large, hulking, powerful figure remember, and Schroeder is MUCH closer to that than scrawny Leo.
Plus, if Leo's in it, it'll just ruin the whole experience of going to the movie. Iron Mask was ruined for me, in part, by all the teen girls there just to see him, squeeling and oohing and aahing over him. I'd rather miss seeing Ep 2 in the theatre than have to put up with that crap.
I think lucas is turning on all of us, if this is true of course. I wish a new spaceballs would come out, heh if they do use leo, imagine how great spaceballs II - the search for more money, would be. What is the world coming to now adays? The answer is eventual, enternal, hell.
Your Momma's so fat she makes emacs look like nano!
In that oddball film, he plays the title character's inarticulate, no-impulse-control, mentally retarded pain-in-the-ass younger brother.
He's actually really good in this role, delivering a totally believable and unsentimental portrayal of a idiot kid you wouldn't mind being institutionalized forever.
Giving LDC the benefit of the doubt: Maybe he'd be good in the role of a cocky, handsome young Jedi doomed to fall by his ego and hidden flaws.
Darth Vader: [phsssh] I am [phsssh] the King [puh-shhhhhh] of the [phsssh] World
--by the way, how do you write Darth's breathing noise?
I think I would still go since it is Star Wars. I just don't think I would be able to see it more than once. Just about ANYBODY would be better (well, with the exception of that guy from Dawson's Creek, he is pretty lame too)
Plus his stint as the gunslinging son to Gene Hackman's evil sheriff in Raimi's "The Quick and the Dead": At times, he really showed the fear/hatred mix when he was around Gene. And with all the controversy around "Basketball Diaries", that must also have had some qualities... though I haven't seen it.
Who buys all the toys? Geeks. Who watches each movie in the film 4-5 times just to get to catch the little flaws? Geeks. Who buys every little revision in VHS and DVD? Geeks.
Losers.
This would completely explain the transmogrification of Darth Vader from cute little kid to evil incarnate.
Posted by NOLimitZ:
The most important aspect of the Star Wars movies is the story. When the first Star Wars came out, nobody really knew anything about the actors who played the characters. This is good. This means when we saw Harrison Ford we immediately thought of him as Han Solo. To be honest, I can't even remember the name of the guy who played Luke Skywalker. To this day everytime I see Harrison Ford in a movie I picture either Han Solo or Indiana Jones.
Lucas NEEDS to treat the prequel the same way as he did the original trilogy (with unknown actors) if he plans to keep focus on the story. If he casts Leonardo DiCaprio (or any other well-known actor) then it just will NOT be believable. We will sit there and think "Gilbert Grape is Anakin Skywalker?" or we'll be thinking of Titanic. This is way too distracting and will seriously take away from the story.
This is terrible news, George please, lose the lil punk, hes not a serious actor, get someone with balls, after darth, aint to pussy.
*sobsob*sniffsniff*
This sucks more than anything has ever sucked before
This is very doubtful (IHMO) because George Lucas has almost always casted relative no-namers (with the exception of The Phantom Menace).
Leo is very well known and would probably fit the role of Anakin, but I don't think he'd do it.
If Lucas did it, then it is 100% certain that Episode 2 will break all box office records.
Maybe that's what Lucas wants.
>But when has lucas been known to pick
>people for their acting skill? Wasnt ford
>picked to do solo because his father was
>friends with lucas?
Not really. Harrison Ford (one of my favourite actors, BTW) was moonlighting as a construction worker on the New Hope set. Lucas needed someone to read Solo's part quickly, and Ford was one of the few actors nearby who wasn't in the movie. He, Hamill and Fisher apparently just clicked as a team, and the rest is history.
>What it comes down to is do you really want
>to see leo in a lightsaber fight [...]?
Yes, if he loses. Oh! You meant in the movie, not in real life. Sorry, my mistake. May Leo die screaming horribly with sharp things in his head.
Wow! Do you think a boat will sink in the next one too?
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My opinion is that the movie was over-anticipated, way too much hype. However, it was a great movie, and the annoying things like Jar Jar just make it that much better. Mark Hammil annoys the hell out of me-but I will end up watching the original trilogy over and over, just like I always do. And for everyone who didn't like TPM-guess what? Not everyone liked New Hope, Empire Strikes Back, and since Return of the Jedi is the only one I am old enough to remember seeing in a theater-I know for a fact that there was plenty of bitching about that one (damn Ewoks!) And as far as the complaining about all the hype going on outside of the theater-I seem to remember seeing nothing but Ewoks for about two years after ROTJ-I can even remember getting up on Saturday mornings and watching the cartoon.
I'm sure that we would have had just as much nit-picking back then as we do now-unfortunately the most powerful PC was a Commodore 64-so there were no inside scoops (and gossip), no Quicktime video clips, no online discussions-Lucas just did it, and everyone left him alone-and we are all thankful of it now.
So if the rumor is true-it won't really matter how we feel about it right now. Lucas will do what he thinks is best, and fifteen years from now it will become an obession for OUR children....
Posted by Assmodeus:
if they are singing in sanscrit and nobody knows how to speak sanscrit...then how do they know what they are saying??
uhhh... i do. speak (some) sanskrit that is. i can't find lyrics anywhere though... and i don't want to create a boston globe account.
-AnonC
Ok we all hate him and I for one would hate to see him taint the starwars universe with his sorry excuse of acting talent. However will I still see it, of course it is starwars. If I could deal with Jar Jar, I can stand Decrappio for one movie, but that's it!
The Lunatick, Carpe Corpus!
I think Jar Jar is a prick. He has some real mental problems that can only be explained by inbreeding. I also think that there was too much flirting between the 9 year old Anikan and the 14+ year old Queen. I yelled "MY VIRGIN EARS" when I heard such blasfemy!!! If they were going to flirt, they might as well get it on!
Of course I meant to say that Episode V was romantic in spots. Also, I'd have to say it was the best Star Wars yet. Hoth, the asteroid field, Luke when he was young, cocky and not-fully trained...it had it all. I hope that Episode II will be better, but I don't expect it to be.
--Lenny
I agree, I think Leonardo DiCaprio would be a lot less annoying than Mark Hammill was in the original trilogy. And it could be worse; the headline could say, "Alan Thicke in next Star Wars?"
Franz
If my reading of the story is correct, and it is only IMHO of course, Jar Jar is meant to be annoying.
He's supposed to be the clumsy, artless, klutzy, silly, tactless, goofy, ignorant clown; if you take him as a archetype(think John Campbell even), he's representative of the populace of people who *don't* fit in, who are inept physically, socially, emotionally, or any other way, yet manages to perservere, manages to overcome(with just a bit of Force guided dumb luck perhaps), and does good.
Will we see him in the next movie? I think so. Heck, I hope so, because I want to see Jar Jar become an accepted, non-irritating, gentle, good humored, well intentioned person.
Sigh.
-AS
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*Pikachu*
And... just as much as Star Wars is George Lucas., so is it all the things that Mr. Lucas infuses into the script. Including all those "cutesy" aspects. A non-cute Star Wars just could not work.
(And hey... I like Jar-jar.)
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John Erik Hexam, from the series "Voyagers" i think...
What he should do (heh... here I am suggesting ideas to Lucas) is issue a casting call, with meetings at several sites around to country, and let whoever come. That way he can truely dredge the populous for ability and the physical description he wants. Hmmm... I'm 6'4.5", and I have the long hair for the Padawan braid (I'll cut the rest), and some experience... I'll go; I bet a lot of you out there would too... if fact, how about all the major roles unassigned for the next film be filled that way? I feel that would be great (and, if you are proficient, you can cover the US in one, maybe 1.5 months, and then spend some time overseas), effective (thousands to choose from) and pleasing to the viewing public (no DiCaprio... yeah!). And when you have the budget he has, its not like you can't afford it (since he did recoop all (or most) of the expenditures in the box offices sales this week alone)... -G.
"couldn't get tickets for opening day and see little point in standing in lines now"... huh?
:-)
Man, where you be livin'? Around here, I can just walk straight in at the last minute and see the movie in a half-empty theater. I should know -- I've done it 3 times already
Anyway... I'll get to my point.
You brought up a good point (Leo's performanice in Gilbert Grape)... what I keep seeing when I think of him as Annakin is sort of a cross between Mark Hamill when he's all pissed off in ROTJ ("Espscially... Sister. So, you have a twin sister. Obi-Wan was wise to hide her from me... now his failure is complete."), an equally-pissed-off Leo from Romeo and Juliet, and a confused Leo from near the end of Gilbert Grape (the part just after Johnny Depp hits him).
Call me deranged, but I think it would work....
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Posted by Jester Hat:
heh, now that was funny!
Whats with all the gimmacks? SW will sell regardless of who or how bad the acting is. Speaking of actors, why not a virtual leo? Can't be any worse than jar jar jar jar. (what the hell was luca$ thinking)
BU.
This makes me doubt my faith of starwars.
:(
Please say it aint so
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And they said it couldn't be done.
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Folks,
/. Rob has been most accommodating to the pressures generated onto him by his viewing public.
We've all gotten very accustomed to a democratic form of government here at
Let's stop a minute to realize that George Lucas is NOT Rob Malda. Lucas has something in mind, and come hell or high water, he will tell us HIS story. If the studios couldn't bastardize HIS VISION, (except maybe that mitochlorian abomination and virgin-birth) then why should it be swayed by a bunch of whining geeks who have nothing better to do than contemplate the lineage of a fictitious character.
Lucas has a particular story in mind.
Anakin is destined to become Vader. He starts out as a sweet, innocent and exceptional kid, the seed of prophecy. What better way to turn him to the Dark Side than to make him a lover, to make him completely opposite of what he is to be. And then make his reasons for becoming the anti-thesis of his former self truly tragic. DiCaprio has played romantic characters before, and he's done a decent job judging by how all the teen girls swoon at his name. He'd be coming into familiar territory; he's being type-cast.
And what better way to make the audience feel for the character than to feel for the actor? And to his credit, DiCaprio has the looks of young Luke.
As for Jar Jar - to everything there is a reason. A HUGE part of Lucas' profit comes from toys. Kids buy toys. Kids like cute, goofy characters. Jar Jar is already the most marketed character of them all. There's a Jar Jar 3D adventure game for Krissakes!
Yes, the adults notice Maul and Jinn, and buy the 10$ book and discuss the philosophy of the Jedi over Cappuccino. But it's the kids who nag mom and dad to buy them the entire collection of action figures, all the coloring books and play-doh fun factories with the Jar Jar shaped cookie-cutters.
Like everyone else in the world, Lucas is in it for the money, and he's making it HIS way. More power to him, I say. And if you don't like it, don't go see the movie another dozen times.
-- What you do today will cost you a day of your life.
The hype for II and III has only just begun. If you thought the hype for I was bad. . .
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-jafac's law
These are my friends, See how they glisten. See this one shine, how he smiles in the light.
I would say we're just not used to it yet. I mean, I was born in '77, and can't imagine a world w/o Star Wars. Episode 1 is as good as the others, particularly after you've seen it the second time, and the third, and the fourth... well, it just keeps on getting better. I admit, Anakin's "Yipeeee!" still grates my nerves, but Luke's whiny "But I was going to Toshi station to pick up those power converters" is just as bad.
But you barely even notice how annoying Luke is, or C3P0, because you're so used to it (well, I speak for myself here). They're beautiful, and I guarantee that most people who are out there right now bitching about Anakin or JarJar will embrace the film in the end, and years from now will be saying to someone "Well, everybody hated the movie because of JarJar at first, but not me, because I saw the true value of the film..."
Leo? Well, yes and no. I am a chick and therefor qualify as an expert on this whole Leo DiCaprio thing. Also my college roomate budgeted her OSAP (Ontario Student Loan) carefully to allow for maximum veiwing of Titanic. He'll be okay, if the rumour's true. That's my opinion.
Eventually we will grow to love him, or whoever is cast in the role. George certainly doesn't need to pick him to bring people in. He's got us. We're hooked. I'm going to put hundreds of $$ in that man's pocket, I'm sure. I already have.
Lack of maturity? Yes. But what did you expect? We're all kids when it comes to this storyline. It's a fairy tale. And unless there is an hour-long segment of monkies rubbing their own feces all over each other, I'm going to love the next two movies. After seriously bitching about them for a week or two, of course.
What can I say? I think that Sir Alec Guiness saved Episode IV from being a simple shoot-em-up, blow-up-things-in-space movie. Ford was fun, but Guiness made it all seem more meaningful.
That's "Mr. Soulless Automaton" to you, Bub.
'Nuff said.
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Wait a second, Oscar the Grouch already is Yoda.
I don't care if it is false, I'm having a lot of fun with this.
Yeah, but the kid did a pretty good job acting. The kid is also not immediately recognizable to most people, so you think "This is anakin skywalker." With Leonardo DiCaprio, you think "This is Leonardo DiCaprio," not "This is anakin skywalker," as you're supposed to be thinking.
I personally liked Anakin's performance in Episode 1. I do not like anything that Leonardo DiCaprio has been in.
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"A) George Lucas isn't *stupid*. He got where he was by making bright moves and not following the herd. Besides, people hire people like
Leo DiCap to try to generate publicity for their movie (STARRING xxxxx!!). Somehow, I think that Star Wars isn't really in need of generated publicity."
This is true, Lucas ISN'T stupid. He has to know who to go to to "Show him the money". Why is each movie in the trilogy in the top 10 grossing films of all time? Answer: Geeks.
Who buys all the toys? Geeks. Who watches each movie in the film 4-5 times just to get to catch the little flaws? Geeks. Who buys every little revision in VHS and DVD? Geeks.
So then, here's my take on why Lucas might use DiCaprio... he already has us. We are his "automatic customer base". Like someone said earlier, he could make the next film "Jar Jar's Revenge" and we'd still go see it. So he already has us. But, Lucas is a man like everybody else. He wants to see more green. What's the only film that grossed more than SW? Titanic.
Why did Titanic make mucho dinero? DiCaprio. Every little giggly teenaged girl who reads all of the Teeny-Bopper magazines got together with their girlfriends and went to see THAT movie at least 15 times... per weekend. They all wished they were that girl in the movie... whatever her name was.
So there you have it... by casting DiCaprio, the next SW may (in Lucas' mind) be the top grossing film of all time... but he would be forgetting one thing. He may lose his original "customer base"... geeks. Why? WE DESPISE LEONARDO DICAPRIO types, and all other iconized Hollywood manufactured actors. He is the epitome of the anti-geek.
Yes, George, you may gain a slew of new female SW converts by casting Leo in Anakin's role... but at the risk of losing your most faithful subjects... geeks. But then again... even WE couldn't propel SW to the money machine Titanic was... so maybe he won't mind losing us. Just my thoughts.
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Leonardo Di Caprio has made many movies before Titanic.
"Basketball Diaries"
"What's eating Gilbert Grape"
and a few others.
He is an EXCELENT actor. I have never seen Titanic, nor do I intend to. I have seen Leonardo Di Caprio in older movies and he has always created a stunning performance. Furthermore, he is not "typecast" as many posts sugested. Most of his roles are extremely varied.
I think he would be very good for the part. It would also lift the curse of the Titanic which make most people think of him as a bad actor.
Shit! I cant think of anything worse that
can happen. leo di crappio should be shat on.
If memory serves me correctly... Anakin gets roasted alive at the end of episode 2.. (where he begins his final transition to the dark headed bugger that we all know and love :)
:) I can only guess that watching him burn alive might be slightly more amusing
;)
If this is indeed the case then I'll be there with my video rewinding that magic moment over and over again..
Best part about Titanic was watching the bloke drown
Not that i'm bitter about his stardom and multi-millions or anything
I don't know if the lyrics are available anywhere, but if they were, what use would they be? They're singing in Sanskrit. I don't know anybody who speaks Sanskrit. :-)
We're going down, in a spiral to the ground
...except Leonardo DiCaprio wasn't in "Growing Pains." He wasn't even around then.
:)
Actually, he was. He made a brief appearance. I think he was the little misfortunate kid who stole from the Seaver's after Mike became friends with him. - Scary how that episode just rushed back to me.
As for his acting, we should all see him in "What's Eating Glibert Grape". He played the retarded little brother. [insert obligatory 'like in Titanic' joke here]
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Yeah, I don't see why everyone hates DiCaprio so much.
My own initial impression of him was when I saw "What's Eating Gilbert Grape?", an interesting non-mainstream movie. He did a great job of playing a retarded kid. In fact he did such a good job at the role that it wasn't until much later that I realized that it was him when I read a magazine article about it. I thought, "Oh he was that retarded kid"
He did a good job in Woody Allen's "Celebrity" too, as the decadent movie star punk (was this a stretch for him?). Not that I'm a big fan or anything, but I don't the whole Titanic heartthrob thing against him.
As for playing Vader, I think he could pull it off pretty well. The only problem I would see would be that any well known celebrity might detract from the formula.
Maybe a sturdier, more intense unknown type would be the best choice.
BTW, let's hope that they cut out as much of that cutesy crap as possible and put a different twist on it by having a different director come in and do it.
Imagine, David Lynch, or Tim Burton, or David Cronenburg. Now THAT would be interesting.
1. Titanic - Not a very entertaining movie altogether, IMO. And Leo was not even slightly believable in his role as a street-wise world traveller. The only good thing about this movie was getting to watch Leo's frozen corpse sink into the icy Atlantic.
2. The Quick and The Dead - Actually, I sort of enjoyed this movie. I just had a tough time believing this baby-faced little punk as a gunfighter. And this was before I had any idea who Leonardo DiCaprio was, so this opinion was definitely formed with no preconceptions.
3. What's Eating Gilbert Grape - Maybe I need to try watching this one when I'm really, really drunk. I found this movie to be one of the more tedious that I've seen. Hard to even sit through. And again, Leo was not believable in his character. The guy in Something About Mary does a far superior job of portraying a mentally disable person in a believable way.
4. The Man in the Iron Mask - A classic story, and a great movie. Such a great movie, in fact, that I enjoyed it even with Leo's poor acting. In this movie in particular, he seemed to be not acting, but merely reciting memorized lines.
OK, Titanic sucked, but Leo wasn't the only one. I think a reprise of his Romeo (cocky, young, handsome, bad karma) would be perfect for Star Wars.
His Romeo wasn't the best I've seen, but that and "Gilbert Grape" almost make me willing to forgive him for Titanic.
Are you saying that Liam Neeson, Ewan McGregor, Natalie Portman and Pernilla August are NOT good actors?!?
C.
What about the Ewoks? Over time, has anyone embraced the Ewoks?
Anyone seen "The Basketball Diaries"? Good flick, and DiCaprio did an excellent job in that, even as a kid.
Sure, he was a schmuck in Titanic. But Jim Cameron never lets his actors steal the show-- the acting from Cameron's movies usually comes out looking second-rate no matter who's in them.
And I guarantee George Lucas is planning for a somewhat whiny character for Anakin Skywalker in the second one (Remember Luke in "A New Hope"? Same deal).
So I think DiCaprio might be a pretty good fit. Jeez, a guy does one cheezy movie so he can get absurdly rich and get hot chicks, and everyone writes him off? C'mon.
Mid
This is worse than Jar Jar
-BWing
Dad always thought laughter was the best medicine, which I guess is why several of us died of tuberculosis.
This seems frighteningly likely to me. Even Episode IV was romantic in spots, but Harrison Ford is a considerably less annoying actor than Leo. Hell, Harrison is The Man.
Besides, Leo is such a pretty boy. He is almost the definition of "non-threatening". I just can't picture him ever turning into Darth Vader. I can't picture him with a lightsaber, either. Ewan McGreger and Liam Neeson: now that was good casting...
-Lenny
I hate to say this people, but Leo may be the right man for the job.
First of all, lets take a basic look at his simple appearance. He _does_ look like the 'Luke' that Mark Hamill created. He's young, blonde, vaguely handsome, and unintimidating.
Second of all, he has credentials, which neither Mark Hamill or 'The Kid' really had. At least four major movies under his belt, all of which have been interesting, if not actually 'good' per se. 'Basketball Diaries' was good, and the lead in 'Titanic', even if he was just eye candy for the ladies, has to at least count for something.
Third of all, he's a reasonable actor. 'Romeo and Juliet' and 'Titanic' _did_ show a good range of emotion, and Leo did it convincingly enough to make money. 'Basketball Diaries' showed a bit of a dark side that might be more what we'd expect from an Anakin.
And last... Leo is a guaranteed box office draw with women, a gender that never liked Star Wars. I'm going to get flamed for this, but women never liked Star Wars as much as men, possibly because they 'just don't get it.' If it takes a pretty face and a nice *insert some body part here* to get women into a theater and at least appreciate one of the finest series of all time (and better yet, make the studio profitable enough so the Lucas posse will make more then one every three years), more power to them. Besides, it worked for Lucas in 'Return of the Jedi,' and drew more then its fair share of young men, with Leia's Metal Bra, or whatever it was.
And as the coup de gras, I challenge anyone to think up someone better for the role of a teenage Anakin.
He's just too damned skrawney! Vadar is HUGE and eminates power! Di Caprio eminates wimpdom! He might be a good actor but he is just too damned small and wimpy to play the man that becomes Darth Vadar.
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Schwingg!!!
One more year and she's legal, baby!
Shagadelic!
If Lucas goes through with this I will personally kill Leo in the name of all that is good.
Maybe in the third episode anakin will be played by John Schneider (of Dukes of Hazzard fame)...
This would make the movie appealing to country music fans as well as nerds...
Haven't seen The Phantom Menace yet (couldn't get tickets for opening day and see little point in standing in lines now...I'll wait a few weeks.)
Anyway, Leonardo may have dropped miles in my esteem by doing so poorly in Titanic (that can be blamed on the garbage script and poor directing abilities of James "I plagiarized from Homer Simpson" Cameron.) However, Leo's shown promise in many of his other roles. What's Eating Gilbert Grape for example.
That said, the thought that a set-piece director like Lucas could "turn" anyone into a good actor is laughable. The man has no skills as a director, and only moderate talent as a screenwriter.
Storyteller, that he is. Great actor's director? No.
- r
Keanu Reeves isn't available?
Fuck you asshole. This disaster is too big for proportions.
So what if Leo DeCapri goes to Skywalker ranch?
Jesus, his asking price is $20 mil. He hasn't done any $20 mil movies, so his agent will not look kindly on him doing a "freebie" for Lucas. Not to mention that Lucas casts relative unknowns for SW movies. A cameo isn't outside the realm, but he's not going to play Anakin.
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AND he sucks...god, I thought Jar Jar was going to annoy me in that movie but Jake was worse. They should have just CGI'd him in or used a puppet like Yoda, they would've got a better performance.
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But when has lucas been known to pick people for their acting skill? Wasnt ford picked to do solo because his father was friends with lucas?
The problem with leo isnt his ability to act, its that he doesnt fit the role. Maybe he would be able to pull off a medium-aged anikin falling in love, but could he pull off a medium aged jedi falling towards the dark side? Star Wars has always been a thing of images.. how many times have you heard somebody do a vader-breathing impression or a yoda saying 'do or do not, there is no try'? That was one of TPM's major problems.. it didnt have any memorable lines like that.. all they did was rehash things already said and done. Even the battles were rehashed.
What it comes down to is do you really want to see leo in a lightsaber fight and since our facial features are pretty set by the time we're in our teens, can you really see leo behind the mask in IV - VI? (not to mention they'd probably have to bring him back to do III since it'd be rather odd that he looked severely different between the two movies)
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Posted by The Incredible Mr. Limpett:
You know, when I started reading this post it was annoying me because I liked the movie a lot but something about it didn't click with me...I was kind of getting sick of people bashing it.
But after reading your post a few times, I realize it's exactly what's been bugging me about the movie.You hit it right on the head.
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villain. Millions a hero. Numbers sanctify."
I don't know if they'd have the lyrics to the that song, seein' as it's in sanscrit, but you can search through all kindsa song lyrics at the International Lyrics Server.
I am certain that the geek population would not allow the presence of Leo DeCRAPio in a Star Wars flick. I am not afraid.
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Um.. look at the kid that they cast as Anakin in the PM. Look at Luke. You're saying that Leo doesn't fit with the blonde wimpy look? Jeese, you'd almost get the feeling folks here are threatened by the fact that Leo seems to be a pretty popular young entertainer. I'm not saying he's a wonderful actor, but I do think that he looks the part. And for those of you threatening not to see the movie.. right, if you're affected so greatly by this decision, then you're so into Star Wars that you'd see it even if it was an hour and a half of Lucas dancing about the screen naked with a light saber. ;)
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omg, wtf, that's all I can say
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Teenage girls are fickle, in the time it take for episode 2, there will be another hot teen star... perhaps Jake Lloyd?
After getting over my initial bout of nausea at the thought of Leonardo playing the essence of the Dark Side (it's tough enough imagining the little kid growing up to be James Earl Jones, but Leonardo .. as Jar-Jar would say, "How wude!"), I actually allowed my brain to start working.
Lucas is in the inital stages of writing the screenplay for Episode 2. He's said so himself, when questioned about the rumors floating around about Episode 2 and casting and what-not. The chances that Leonardo was being interviewed for it are doubtful at best. Lucas has also been rumored to be working on a new Indiana Jones. Perhaps Leonardo is being interviewed for that. Guess what? That idea is just as baseless as Leonardo playing Anakin.
Lucas was recently interviewed about the hype surrounding Star Wars and said it's pretty much ridiculous. People are now throwing themselves into a frenzy over a rumored interview. Can't we finish dissecting the first movie before we start in on the second?
hey i can do it! i'm 6'2, blonde, am told fairly reguarly i look a lot like dicaprio and for gods sake, nobody hates me :)
YOU CRAZY? He is somewhat talented. I say this because he doesn't take on tough/hard roles. He goes for the easy way out. Gilbert Grape is his best but how long ago was that? '93. He was nominated for an Academy Award which was deserved but he has failed after that.
After he got older, him and his Agent started to see the money come in because of the teenage girls' screams. He is just a face to get teen girls to scream, hoot, and spend their money on. He is only good at certain roles and can draw teenage girls. His face doesn't allow him to be believable in certain roles. Ep. II is suposed to be a Love story b/w Anakin and Amidala but Leo won't be in it. Why you ask:
1.) Leo is too old for one. Anakin is suposed to be around 15yrs old in the film and Amidala is suposed to be around 19-20ish.
2.) Lucas doesn't like using really big name actors or flashy/popular actors. I was suprised to see S.L. Jackson and Liam but they are good actors. Lucas will probably scour the earth to try the right one because he has seen the reaction of Ep I and will make the others better. Hopefully. Anikan will be someone we hardly know. Lucas will probably look to young theater actors rather than commercial teenbeat boys.
3.) Leo is not fit the role at all. He is not Jedi/Dark side material. Anyone can see that.
4.) There are not many good teen actors out there. Why, because most agencies go for a good looking faces that will appeal to teens and GET MONEY. Don't mention Jonthan Taylor Thomas, Elijah Wood, James Van Der Crack or whomever as good actors because they are not right now. Look at the movies they are in. Not really good movies huh? That is why not many teens win awards/praises for good acting. Most are not experienced enough at that age. There are some major exceptions, I will admit.
Two good teen actor/actress that has been seen in a major movie and is/was very underrated was Francis Capra who played Calogero (the 9 year old not the teenager) in A Bronx Tale. Natalie Portman, who of course in Ep I., but was great in The Professional. Other than that most of them suck in their early years.
I really don't like Leo because of how carries himself (he plays into the pretty boy role TOO MUCH.) and how he is portrayed in the media but I will admit that Leo is the probably the best out of the young actor genre and could become really good but only time will tell. He is not really that talented as far as including all actors of all ages, YET. There are alot of other really talented young actors out there that don't get to be seen because they don't have his looks.
On a side note:
Titanic/Basketball Diaries were really not that great of films. Box office numbers do not mean a film is great. Popularity is often confused as being great. Titanic was good but made a love story, that really never happened, out of a historical tragedy. Basketball Diaries will be remembered as just a film rather than a good book by a good author.
Its really quite simple: if you like Caprio, like Titantic, and like TPM, then you are most likely an idiot who doesn't care what crap Hollywood spoon feeds you.
Granted, the original Trilogy was no great intellectual and artistic accomplishment but at least it didn't include fart jokes and the other banal scum that Lucas put into TPM.
And obviously TPM was not *all* bad. But the fact that blaring plot errors like Anakin accidently destroying the enemy ship and the very existence of Jar Jar, makes TPM a base appeal to the masses that is essentially an empty and worthless vessel of stupidity.
How can you post saying that you have a right to post your opinions and in the same post say that "I don't DARE say the rest of us somehow..." etc...
The point is that we all have our opinions and my opinion is that the majority of posters on here are attacking Leonardo DiCaprio and the movies in general for really inconsequential reasons.
If I want to state this belief and criticize what I see as being a lack of maturity of a group of posters then I have every right to do so and I assumed people would realize that I was stating my *opinion* just as you did...
I seem to recall getting the impression somewhere that Darth Vader was more machine than man. I wonder where I heard that?
Anyhow, as long as Vader's getting his legs, and possibly hips, sections of torso, what have you, replaces, why does he have to stay at his natural height. Why not pick something more intimidating? I don't seem to recall Anakin towering over Kenobi like Vader did when they stood together at the end of Return of the Jedi. Maybe I misremember, but I think he was shorter in his natural body (not that we can be absolutely sure, since a Jedi "ghost" might not neccessarily have the same dimensions as the living person).
(Rereading sentance to make sure it makes sense)
Yeah. In any case, I don't see where this guy gets off calling us stupid (and immature) because we don't like the same actors. I did call him an asshole, but that's only because he was being one when he said he was smarter than everyone else and that we're all morons.
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One great thing about the original series was that it was a low budget, nobody big...sorta movie. It wasn't loaded with stars (at the time) and didnt have anything awesome about it except the plot. Let's stick to this thinking for episode II (That means character development, that's what they are their for! None of this crappy TPM shite). No whining little dork as Darth Vader...we're talking one Bad@ss Mofo that could compete with the likes of Samuel L. Jackson in butt kicking
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The biggest problem with Leo for the role, is that in BIG mainstream films e.g. Titanic and, Romeo and Juliet, Leo's acting ability is lost to the film's story. In films that are more intimate is where he does good work. I personally would choose Nicolas Cage. Looking at the variety of roles Cage has done in both personality and physicality e.g. Raising Arizona, Leaving Las Vegas, Con Air, I think he would perform quite well.
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Look, I'm really sorry that you aren't popular and wish you had girls drooling over you like Leo does, but that's no excuse for making him out to be, what? worse than the worst actor around, a human abomination, I mean, come on, some of these posts are a little over the top. He's just an actor. Star Wars is just a movie series. Why do you all care so much?
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Natalie Portman is booked for at least episode 2, but Jake Lloyd is definitely not going to continue on. He's just too young.
1. Mark Hammil could be brought back to play Anikin in Ep.3 - family resemblence
2. Buba Fett becomes a major character, played by Mike Meyers (we get to see him out of the armor for the first time)
3. We discover that Storm Troopers are really Gunguns under that armor.
Three weeks ago, I would've agreed with you. But after suffering through the performance of Jar Jar Binks last week, I think anything is possible. Lucas has already got the geek audience, Phantom Menace brought in the kid audience, now he's going for the teeny-boppers. It makes perfect sense!
I pray that this is just a rumor, but if it actually proves true, I won't be surprised. Just picture it - hundreds of teenage girls all lined up, waiting with baited breath to see *sigh* that dreamy Leo
Someone needs to talk to that man! (Lucas, I mean)
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I say bring on Leo. We all know that Obi-Wan is gonna crush him later on, and beat the crap outa him. What other chance do you have to see that?
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In the name of all that is Holy... if that little bitch Leo DeCaprio is in my beloved Star Wars, I will kill Lucas.
Leo & Natalie // Anakin & Amidala ;-)
It sounds like that would be a big love story. Is George trying to get women interested in Star Wars? Maybe my SO won't fall asleep in that movie... (*nudge* wake up, it's time for the pod race. *nudge* wake up, it's time for the swordfight)
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I actually like Leo, and think he could do a good turn at making Annakin go from innocent to evil.
Don't judge him from Titanic, though I think he did decent acting - he was given crap dialogue. Judge him instead from his better roles, like in Basketball Diaries or What's Eating Gilbert Grape?.
Now personally I wish Lucas wouldn't use any name actors at all, but that's not going to happen.
Better living through money.
Very crowded thread, may just be lost in the noise. Oh well.
/. had existed 20 years ago, we'd see some very similar complaining about how wimpy and stupid Luke was, and how he ruined the movie, or how much they hated C3P0. I don't know, but I think Jar Jar was a very important part of the film, if only because of that message I picked out, and I hope to see more of him, to see him mature and grow out of his klutziness.
I don't see why people can't stand Jar Jar; sure, he's annoying and irritating, but I'm pretty sure he was designed that way. IMHO, Jar Jar is representative and symbolic of the klutzy, clumsy, graceless, tactless, and inept teenager we all were, at some time or another. Or we were the misfit in grade school no one would hang out with, who got banished to the far side of the playground stuck with a book and waiting for recess to end. Or the person always picked last for dodgeball, forced onto the unlucky team who had too few players, or was always the benchwarmer during pickup baseball games.
I would think people could pick up on the fact. Perhaps if
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In episodes 4-6 Darth Vader is very tall & physically impressive. Much taller than Obi-wan or Luke. Offhand I don't think Leonardo is taller than Ewan MacGregor, or at least not head and shoulders taller. The Vader suit & helmet add a few inches but not enough to make up for the height difference between Vader and Kenobi.
What they need is someone who can play a tall and gangly teen in Ep. 2 and then get pumped up for adulthood in Ep. 3.
She turns 18 in 13 days...
see Countdown to Legality
So by the time EP II comes out, she may very well be 21, and at least 19 when they start filming next year. I mean, she was a 17 year old playing a 14 year old's part!
With a bit of make up, the right clothes, she should have no problem looking her age. I mean, she will be her age, right?
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What's the betting that Jar Jar matures and becomes a Jedi, only to be killed off dramatically toward the end of the third film? And we'll be sorry to see it happen!
Here is a picture of what Rick(y) would look like as Darth... ;)
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If Lukas wants the Tiger Beat crowd, just let the Backstreet boys score the next movie!!
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On DiCaprio:
I hope it's the other way around, that Leo is BEGGING Lukas for the part..
Lukas can surely afford to pay Leo's assinine fee, but Lukas has always stayed away from the "Star Factor" hiring decent low-image actors and actresses. Besides, SW doesn't need a film with fodder like Jim Carrey, Hugh Grant or Julia Roberts to attract eyeballs.
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I had qualms going into TPM because I knew that Jackson was going to be in the movie. I knew who he was, and frankly, I thought that it would make it that much more difficult to believe his character because of it. Now, Liam Neason (sp is probably very off) was another character that others may have known well. I didn't realize who it was untill after the movie was over and someone told me. At which point, I thought to myself "Oh yeah! Hey, that is the same guy!" But I can just picture myself now, stepping out of the theatre for SW II, and whimpering every time I think of Anakin and associate Growing Pains, and a spoiled twip being glad that he wasn't nominated for any Oscars due to his performance in some disaster movie because he "didn't want to take all of the glory away from the other actors and actresses". How sad can we be?
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Posted by The Mongolian Barbecue:
and not really that hot. I bet Anakin turns to the dark side just so he can do the choking thing to her.
I spent the past 3 hours reading commments on Slashdot and other sites regarding TPM, Decaprio, and everything else related to Star Wars. If there is anything I learned from this, it's that everyone has become just too selfish. Everyone wants it to be MY Star Wars movie. "TPM sucked hard because it wasn't what I expected", etc. etc. etc. What people need to realize is that one cannot please everyone - if that is what George Lucas tries to do, he will fail because that is impossible. And so he did what was right: He did what HE WANTED TO DO. Guys! Star Wars was dreamed up by him. He created it, he defined it. This is his baby, and he is doing what he wants to with it. And that is why I am cheering him on. Any artist will tell you that artists don't produce work that they think the general public will like. They produce what they want to, what they dream up, what they find interesting or intriguing. And that is what George Lucas is doing. If you read Lucus's biography or the history of the making of A New Hope, you'll see that George was in great difficulties when making it. They were underbudgeted and way behind in the technology they needed to do what George Lucas wanted to. Yet he went on to make his fantasy come to life. In the new trilogy, George Lucas is continuing to do what he should as an artist: Experiment with his latest tools and produce work that HE finds interesting. Now he has all the kool CGI technology he could only dream of back in the 80's.
One thing that I believed that has corrupted the movie industry is that fact that it has almost all but stopped being an art form. I hear all these screams about this and that person being money hungry and doing so and so just to juice the money machine some more. But the same people who are complaing about this are also, without losing any breath, critisizing TPM because it didn't cater to what THEY thought the movie should have been. When people go to an art gallery or a play, they don't criticize the work because THEY didn't like it. The artist isn't trying to please them, he is trying to please himself, and then let others enjoy his work at the same time. If you don't like TPM, why whine? Lucas wasn't making the movie for you. Yes, I realize he has his fans and he wants to please them, but that should not define his work. X is a fan of Y because X likes what Y makes, NOT because Y makes what X wants Y to make.
I'd also like to talk about specific points that I've seen come up over and over. (1) The plot sucked. My question is why do you think it sucked? Because it didn't have deep philosophical aspects? Because it didn't have deep character development? Excuse me, but Star Wars is a stort of space battles, princesses, and heroes "saving the galaxy" (I quote). And that is how I look at it and love it - as a fantastic story of good and evil and their constant strife. Remember A New Hope? Probably the most character development that took place was for C-Threepio. Only in TESB and ROTJ did Lucas go deeper into the story. He is doing exactly the same here. (2) Jar Jar should be crucified. Jar Jar was there for 2 reasons, one because TPM is a movie for all ages and like C-Threepio, comic relief is always welcome. I understand that his carribean accent turned some people off, but hey! so what. The other bigger reason was that Lucas wanted to experiment with fully CGI characters, and Jar Jar was his test-pilot. Lucas obviously had a lot of fun in this movie. He have different species different accents - the underwater creatures more carribean/african, the traders more european. And then there was the Queens hairdo. All fun stuff. This movie is not supposed to be very serious plotwise, it is just an introduction to all the characters who are going to be important very soon (alas, two years ain't soon enough!).
I have written far too much for a simple "comment" already, but I need to cover one more point: (3) Dicaprio Hmmm. First of all, we have no idea what Anakin is supposed to be like in Episode 2. No I don't care how many times you have watched the movies, or read the comics/books, or analyzed everything else. Lucas is writing the story and he can doing anything. For all we know Anakin might have been an annoying but cute starfighter teen-idol with girls flocking him everywhere! Or he might have been a quiet starfighter pilot that people looked up to with awe and mystery. Whatever. If you don't what DiCaprio because you hate the annoying 14-year-olds that keep swooning over him, then your argument is baseless. If you say his physical characteristics don't match, that too is wrong because Anakin wasn't necessarily a big guy as a teen. As for acting, well, we'll have to see.
Before I end I repeat. Give Lucas a break. Let him do what I loves doing. And let us have as much of a great time as he is by enjoying it with him, or just leave him be. I am a Star Wars fan, yes, but not a blind fanatic like a lot of people. I've grown up with Lucas's movies and I respect him for producing kewl stuff, but I am in no position to criticize his work if I don't like it. He does, and that is what matters.
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I would be perfect... Vader gets it on with the queen in the next one, right?
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Take a look Sim Wars, a spoof of Titanic and Star Wars, in which a Star Destroyer has been digitally replaced with the Titanic.
http://www.dailyscifi.com/news/1133.html
I have to agree with you there; by not having those known actors in there, the audience has no pre-conceptions of the characters. If they are little known (like Natalie Portman), then that is just as good. I can see using an actor in a part that fits like a glove (Liam Neeson, for example), but I feel that trying to accomplish a task like that is hit and miss (and missing more than hitting). I personally feel that open casting calls would be best (and it would give me a chance :-) but, just as long as it is well cast, I will be happy...
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...except Leonardo DiCaprio wasn't in "Growing Pains." He wasn't even around then. Growing Pains was the Kirk Cameron show. His little sister was in Full House, which went off the air before Leo ever had a big break.
If you're going to cringe about DiCaprio, talk to a professional casting agent first, and find out if a) he can act and b) Jake Lloyd could ever possibly grow up to look like him. I'm a 21-year-old guy--probably the sector of the population least endeared to him besides the fathers of 14-year-old girls--and I don't hate him. I thought he was great in Romeo and Juliet, especially in terms of his facial expressions. Since Lucas' movies are renowned for cheezy (dare I say bad?) dialogue, it could make or break the movie if his facial expressions can carry the emotions of a Jedi being turned.
I would love to be there for his audition: not to say "hahahaha you punk, go get a life," but to honestly evaluate his ability to play the role.
It's too bad there aren't more Star Wars fans out there who are willing to trust George Lucas to do the same thing.
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Not that I can't see why you'd automatically dismiss him. I mean, last time he was in a poorly-scripted, special-effects picture with nary a developed character, three things happened:
1) he sucked
2) the movie made a $hitload of money
3) and, of course, he sucked.
I can see why Star Wars fans are afraid of this, especially given the played-up hype comparing the earnings of the two movies. But do any of you have the temerity to suggest that you're a bigger fan of Star Wars than George Lucas? That George is only in it for the money (because he really needs that next hundred million)? That, perhaps, he will turn his own movies into some sick, slick capitalist money-horse? Think about it... the only people who are hyping Phantom Menace right now are the merchandisers and the theatre-owners, and perhaps those "unbiased" media sources that have stock in 20th Century Fox.
So relax. Go watch Phantom Menace a few more times, watch Episodes IV, V, and VI with someone who's never seen them, and listen to them complain about Luke. Or C-3P0. Or the mile-wide gaping plot holes.
"Wait... so this whiny redneck and his pet garbage can just blew up a space station that was practically paved with anti-aircraft weaponry?"
Give Lucas some credit, and don't expect too much from him. In the words of Han Solo,
"Relax, kid."
Give him some credit; it's his movie, after all.
If for no other reason, Leo should be banned from Anakin's role simply 'cause he's not good enough for Natalie Portman.
Seeing the young Anakin hit on her was bad enough... seeing Leo as the youth Anakin trying to get into her shorts will be reason enough for me to KILL. That's quite a valid case of temporary insanity there!
...I mean this far before Episode I came out we were inundated with Kenneth Branagh as Obi-Wan and Charleton Heston rumors, and we can see how accurate those were.
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I like reading the stories on slashdot, but in the last couple weeks I have become totally disgusted with the users of slashdot.
You fit all the immature whiny nerd images I can think of. You start off cool by liking something as brilliant as the Star Wars trilogy and then don't have the maturity or intelligence to handle the new films at all. 95% of the discussion on Jar Jar and Anakin et al has been whiny crap from people complaining that certain parts of these movies aren't how THEY would have planned them.
What happened to your faith in George Lucas and the story itself? You loved what he did with the other movies and now when he is inspired to continue the saga you rip him to shreads. I think you should all take a step back and realize you aren't the only ones in the world and that your little nitpicks are stupid, selfish, and annoying to the rest of us.
In terms of Leonardo DiCaprio. Before Titanic he was regarded as one of the premiere young actors. Films such as "What's Eating Gilbert Grape" and "The Basketball Diaries" being two of his critically acclaimed roles. Even Woody Allen casted him in his last movie because he was a good ACTOR, not to get girls to see the film.
I think this rumor is probably not true but if he was cast he would probably be one of the better actual actors to be in a Star Wars film. You people should like this especially because of some of your whining about Jake Lloyd's Anakin in TPM. And in terms of him tainting the role? I mean come on... Titanic was one movie... unfortunately it gave him a reputation and became something horrible in terms of what it did to our countries movie industry. However, for you people to turn against the possibility of this casting just based on this one movie is shortsighted, ignorant, and again immature.
I know some people here are not like the majority of posters but I just really wanted to get this out because a lot of the people here need to grow the hell up
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Someone will probably beat me to it, but Ep. 2 needs someone who 1) can pull off looking like Jake Lloyd at 15, and 2) has no trouble with Anakin's inevitable seduction by the Dark Side.
So if DeCaprio's not the guy, he's probably on the short list of capable actors who meet both criteria.
My doubts about this rumor, if I gave it much thought, would focus on 1) DeCaprio's inevitable price tag and Lucas' willingness to pay it, and 2) DeCaprio avoiding wrecking himself on monster binges long enough to get through filming.
Of course, Carrie Fisher did alright in three movies whilst coked up pretty heavily (so I hear).
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The problem with Jar-Jar, oh "Hero With a Thousand Faces" student, is not one of design but of implementation.
Jar-Jar is symptomatic of the biggest problem that plagues "The Phantom Menace":
Unlike "A New Hope", the characters are not "archetypes" as you suggest, but caricatures. The essential mythological qualities of each character are developed out of proportion to and at the expense of any normal character development which is generally referred to as "depth".
Jar-Jar is not just an outsider. He is instead the total inverse of the "insider". He is annoying because he is contrived to be an outsider in every possible way, which make him completely unbelievable.
As for the ladies' favorite Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle:
I believe Leonardo couldn't possibly be as damaging to the series as Jar-Jar. However, he is as likely to demonstrate a complete inability to act in the big part as was the lovely and (otherwise) talented Natalie Portman.
While she may be the finest Hollywood actress to grace the silver screen since Audrey Hepburn, in "The Phantom Menace" Miss Portman's acting stank like a river of pig vomit. This is the problem with populating the new Star Wars series with "fine Hollywood actors". These actors are accustomed to playing parts in which it is their characters that make the story interesting; in Star Wars it is the story that makes the characters interesting.
It takes a mature actor (e.g. Liam Neeson, Alec Guiness) or one who has not yet been spoiled by acting in parts where the entire story centers on the development of his or her character (e.g. Harrison Ford, Mark Hammil) to make a two dimensional character (like those in all the Star Wars movies) interesting enough to watch.
i say cast will smith as vader.
"he turned brown b4 he went completely black"
(not saying brown ppl are evi, i'm kinda brown myself;))
It says that 'Nardo has been seen at the Ranch.
It *speculates* the he was because Lucas wants him to play Skywalker. That part is wildly uncomfirmed .
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Episode 1 was tagetted at 10 year old boys. With leo, episode 2 will be for 15 year old girls. Maybe episode 3 will be for people who were alive when episode 4 came out? Of course by then I'll be over 30....
I know this is a bit offtopic, but I was wondering if there is a place I could get the lyrics to track 2 of the Star Wars sound track, Duel of Fates. I bought the cd and feel like I have a right to know what they are saying :-)
It does sound awesome
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That article in the Boston Globe said what the lyrics are in English (although not what Sanskrit corresponds)
Unfortunately, you have to pay for the article.
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I think he'd be an excellent choice!
1)He can act the ass off of almost anybody out there in his age group--Romeo & Juliet, Titanic and Basketball Diaries are exibits A, B and C, respectivly;
2)He's *hellaciously* CUTE;
3)He does sort of look like a grown-up version of the adorable munchkin we saw in Ep.1;
4) Did I mention his exquisite cuteness? ^_^
Despite all the Leo-bashers (can you think of someone better? And please don't say Rick Shroeder) I think he'd be perfect. The only problem might come from the face that he's so well known, people might look at him and think, "that's not Anakin Skywalker, that's Leo DeCaprio *playing* Anakin Skywalker," something you wouldn't get with a relative unknown. Still, I think kawaii no Leo-chan is worth the risk!
I do not see why everybody is so upset about DeCaprio. He is a talented, I would even say one of the most talented young actors of these days and he played well in quite a few movies. I think that his acting in "Titanic" was superb. The only reason I see that he should not star in SW II is that his face is too well known to the public and as long as I understand Lucas doesn't use well known faces ( or at least IMHO he shouldn't ) in his movies. Seeing a well known actor in a movie takes just a little bite out of sense of realism that movie transpires. Otherwise LDC is OK.
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That post was not a troll. It just wasn't.
Damn, this morning I got to be a moderator for something boring (I can't even remember what), and now I'm not a moderator when it would come in handy. Not that the above post says anything that hasn't been said before ad nauseam, but it's the principle of the thing.
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