if you just add "what before the 3rd "that" you're right. that that is is what that that is not is not thus defining "that that is" to be equivalent to the opposite of "that that is not". by itself, however, is gibberish. nothing more.
as was pointed out by one fellow reader, some of this will be out my ass, but not all. i have done quite a bit of research into neural nets, and that's not how they store data. the weightings themselves aren't the data that is read, but filters upon the data, to determine how it is interpreted. while the method you discussed could be used to hold data, other than the incredibly slow linear read down the paths, there are no control mechanisms in place to access the middle neurons. even now people are somewhat uncertain as to the exact mathmatical principles behind neural networks, except that by repeated exposure to data of some sort, patterns can be "recognized", and data can be "remembered".
A == !!A would be "that that is is not that that is not" that that is is and that that is not is not are two statements. without punctuation of some sort, the first statement (that that is is that that is not is not) is nonsensical, though a variety of minor changes would give it meaning. if i truly am misssing something here, though i honestly don't think so, please provide parenthesis, or inflection marks to show how it's supposed to be said.
here's the problem rating how fast we can absorb info: it depends on the medium/method. if someone is saying numbers out loud, say between 0 and 255 (1 byte), we can't commit these to memory very quickly. dependingon the person, reading these numbers would be different. on a massiveley different scale, hearing a song, and being able to recall (not necessarily reproduce) the song perfectly indicates an incredible read-rate. though one could argue our perception is not scalar but vector. no one remembers at what point a given sound began and ended, the remember a given object at a given time, or for images, a person standing in fron of a car, not a band of red followed by blue, similarly on several lines. at any rate, our ability to read "data", as defined by our senses, is not so easily defined. in fact, actual data volume is easier. there is a theoretically finite number of differentiable atomic configurations in a given volume of space (our head).
The real problem here is the fee that companies have to pay ATT is usually far below the actual cost of usage. Thus ATT has to raise it rates, losing even more market to some random startup company.
It is the exact same problem Bell Atlantic and other RBOCs face from the CLECs, having to let the 3rd party company use their switches and hardware, below-cost.
They are even being required to allow the customers who switch to the CLEC to keep their same phone number, at a very high cost to the RBOC, for an incredibly small fee.
Thus all current Bell Atlantic customers are faced with a small fee, tacked on to regain some of the money lost. It's nominal for now, but still causes more and more to switch to the CLECs prices, which can only compete with the RBOC because of the "deals" the FCC is imposing.
We get a lot of junk here of people yelling and screaming about every seeming injustice to them, without considering what others may be going through, or the motivation for the move.
If people would just look around a little, do a little research first, instead of yelling "revolt" whenever they feel wronged, this page would sound a lot more intellegent.
Try the FCC web site, for one.
As for the cable, the hardware does belong to ATT, and while other companies shuld be allowed to use it, if ATT agrees and a price is paid, we shouldn't force ATT to sell at a loss. This country has gotten pretty good at that, however.
is the alpha functioning well enough, you fear it might replace any need to purchase? too early to make even that determination? too far from release, enough might change to make it a significantly different game? all devel and debug done internally? worried of contract issues down the road?
sorry for all the questions, but i'm honestly curious here.
browsers do matter, at least a couple settings in them. i haven't tried d/ling mp3s in netscape under linux, but with the default config in 95, it perceives the file as ascii, and thus drops the 8th bit, garbling the file, but not necessarily destroying it entirely. of course, from actually hearing those files, while you can recognize the original, actually hearing the melody is tough. not the issue here, but the reason i use wget when it really matters.
i'm using x11amp, and everything sounds juat about like it should. i know winamp does artifact reduction, i guess x11 does the same. and with a couple tweaks of xmixer and x11's built in equalizer, i got rid of almost all the hiss. ari, i'm assuming you know not to try and d/l through netscape. my best advice would be to re-d/l or try another player.
-TK
P.S. btw, whatever happened to possibly getting me a FnD alpha password?
there IS a lesson to be learned from a lot of these comments, but it isn't a good one. it's actually very depressing, in what it says about our society. geeks, nerds, etc., generally being the smart ones in all of this, or more willing to admit to thsoe around them that they think differently, need to use a little more common sense in what they bring up to those that may not be ready. i had the wonderful experience of being in an entire school as geeks, and in my social cicle, we managed to turn "popular" into something of a bad word. but even then, occasionally myself or a few others would bring up viewpoints and ideas far more extreme than the others, and even in that enlightened group, the extremist thoughts and people were ostrasized heavily, though usually not physically. who was at fault here? both parties. knowing one's audience is extremely important. the students in a religious private school, while likely just expressing his/her viewpoint and trying to promote discussion, needs to realize that certain thoughts simply are not welcome in that environment, and until a massive change in perspective occurs, this won't change. for people with non-traditional views on issues, instead of voicing them where they aren't wanted, even despised, bring them online to those who will receive them well, and even if there is disagreement, will respect for that idea. i'm not saying that this is the way things should be, for it's obviously an undesirable situation, but while these stories bring up good pijnts for the media to recognize, there has got to be a better way to wave the flag here. what that is, i simply don't know. but we ought to find out. there has always been a gap between the geek world and the rest, but in some cases this gap must be bridged to let the world know they have either made a mistake, or are missing a really important point or perspective. maybe someday things will be different, but i wouldn't count on it any time soon.
fine. maybe it's just me. the only price i could find on the entire site was for some of the software that runs on it. has anyone got any idea how much this actually costs? i've needed an extra monitor for a while, and if that monitor could also do some of the 3d devel i need, it would be great, but i cant shell out but so much. maybe one of the HMDs....
or maybe not. either way, that isn't actually the issue now. in order NOT to prosecute M$ for monopolistic practices would require an amendment to the law itself. for now, while that remains as it is, the DoJ is only following "orders." so while in some ways i do agree with you, though i don't like the way M$ is taking software, that would require a restructuring of that portion of the US legal system, or at least a portion relating to computers, etc. hope M$ never thinks to exploit that.
Reason notwithstanding, this could do more to break down not just the M$ monetary monopoly, but the OS monopoly. If Windows were to split similarly to the unices, lacking some of the necessary standards, perhaps more of the population could be turned to a linux distro. It's a long shot, and likely out of the question as an actual DoJ option, but it's not a bad thought.
I'm wondering how the linux community as a whole would react to this, and what they would do with it. We've already seen several opinions stating that everything here is to be completely avoided, but I'm not sure that's the best approach. Windows obviously has a massive market base, and if some linux-based company managed to release a version, or if the linux community in general were to work with the kernel, good things could happen. Imagine the increased security, reliability etc., if we were to do so. Of course, this would be a tremendous draw away from linux.
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if you just add "what before the 3rd "that"
you're right.
that that is is what that that is not is not
thus defining "that that is"
to be equivalent to the opposite of "that that is not".
by itself,
however,
is gibberish.
nothing more.
-tk
as was pointed out by one fellow reader,
some of this will be out my ass,
but not all.
i have done quite a bit of research into neural nets,
and that's not how they store data.
the weightings themselves aren't the data that is read,
but filters upon the data,
to determine how it is interpreted.
while the method you discussed could be used to hold data,
other than the incredibly slow linear read down the paths,
there are no control mechanisms in place to access the middle neurons.
even now people are somewhat uncertain as to the exact mathmatical principles behind neural networks,
except that by repeated exposure to data of some sort,
patterns can be "recognized",
and data can be "remembered".
A == !!A
would be "that that is is not that that is not"
that that is is
and
that that is not is not
are two statements.
without punctuation of some sort,
the first statement (that that is is that that is not is not)
is nonsensical,
though a variety of minor changes would give it meaning.
if i truly am misssing something here,
though i honestly don't think so,
please provide parenthesis,
or inflection marks to show how it's supposed to be said.
and no,
i never claimed this wasn't off topic.
here's the problem rating how fast we can absorb info:
it depends on the medium/method.
if someone is saying numbers out loud,
say between 0 and 255 (1 byte),
we can't commit these to memory very quickly.
dependingon the person,
reading these numbers would be different.
on a massiveley different scale,
hearing a song,
and being able to recall (not necessarily reproduce)
the song perfectly indicates an incredible read-rate.
though one could argue our perception is not scalar but vector.
no one remembers at what point a given sound began and ended,
the remember a given object at a given time,
or for images,
a person standing in fron of a car,
not a band of red followed by blue,
similarly on several lines.
at any rate,
our ability to read "data",
as defined by our senses,
is not so easily defined.
in fact,
actual data volume is easier.
there is a theoretically finite number of differentiable atomic configurations in a given volume of space (our head).
sorry about the grammar comment,
but if you're going to attempt to exploit
the potential repitition in the english language,
do it correctly.
"That that is, is; that that is not, is not."
or, as books would argue,
"That which is, is. That which is not, is not."
i'm not going to bother with contractions.
typically,
especially CLECs leasing from RBOCs,
the usage fee is below the cost of maintenance.
companies lose a lot of money on these forced deals.
The real problem here is the fee that companies have to pay ATT is usually far below the actual cost of usage. Thus ATT has to raise it rates, losing even more market to some random startup company.
It is the exact same problem Bell Atlantic and other RBOCs face from the CLECs, having to let the 3rd party company use their switches and hardware, below-cost.
They are even being required to allow the customers who switch to the CLEC to keep their same phone number, at a very high cost to the RBOC, for an incredibly small fee.
Thus all current Bell Atlantic customers are faced with a small fee, tacked on to regain some of the money lost. It's nominal for now, but still causes more and more to switch to the CLECs prices, which can only compete with the RBOC because of the "deals" the FCC is imposing.
We get a lot of junk here of people yelling and screaming about every seeming injustice to them, without considering what others may be going through, or the motivation for the move.
If people would just look around a little, do a little research first, instead of yelling "revolt" whenever they feel wronged, this page would sound a lot more intellegent.
Try the FCC web site, for one.
As for the cable, the hardware does belong to ATT, and while other companies shuld be allowed to use it, if ATT agrees and a price is paid, we shouldn't force ATT to sell at a loss. This country has gotten pretty good at that, however.
is the alpha functioning well enough,
you fear it might replace any need to purchase?
too early to make even that determination?
too far from release,
enough might change to make it a significantly different game?
all devel and debug done internally?
worried of contract issues down the road?
sorry for all the questions,
but i'm honestly curious here.
browsers do matter,
at least a couple settings in them.
i haven't tried d/ling mp3s in netscape under linux,
but with the default config in 95,
it perceives the file as ascii,
and thus drops the 8th bit,
garbling the file,
but not necessarily destroying it entirely.
of course,
from actually hearing those files,
while you can recognize the original,
actually hearing the melody is tough.
not the issue here,
but the reason i use wget when it really matters.
i'm using x11amp,
and everything sounds juat about like it should.
i know winamp does artifact reduction,
i guess x11 does the same.
and with a couple tweaks of xmixer and x11's
built in equalizer,
i got rid of almost all the hiss.
ari, i'm assuming you know not to try and d/l through netscape.
my best advice would be to re-d/l or try another player.
-TK
P.S. btw, whatever happened to possibly getting me a FnD alpha password?
there IS a lesson to be learned from a lot of these comments, but it isn't a good one. it's actually very depressing, in what it says about our society.
geeks, nerds, etc., generally being the smart ones in all of this, or more willing to admit to thsoe around them that they think differently, need to use a little more common sense in what they bring up to those that may not be ready.
i had the wonderful experience of being in an entire school as geeks, and in my social cicle, we managed to turn "popular" into something of a bad word.
but even then, occasionally myself or a few others would bring up viewpoints and ideas far more extreme than the others, and even in that enlightened group, the extremist thoughts and people were ostrasized heavily, though usually not physically.
who was at fault here? both parties. knowing one's audience is extremely important. the students in a religious private school, while likely just expressing his/her viewpoint and trying to promote discussion, needs to realize that certain thoughts simply are not welcome in that environment, and until a massive change in perspective occurs, this won't change.
for people with non-traditional views on issues, instead of voicing them where they aren't wanted, even despised, bring them online to those who will receive them well, and even if there is disagreement, will respect for that idea.
i'm not saying that this is the way things should be, for it's obviously an undesirable situation, but while these stories bring up good pijnts for the media to recognize, there has got to be a better way to wave the flag here.
what that is, i simply don't know. but we ought to find out. there has always been a gap between the geek world and the rest, but in some cases this gap must be bridged to let the world know they have either made a mistake, or are missing a really important point or perspective.
maybe someday things will be different, but i wouldn't count on it any time soon.
fine.
maybe it's just me.
the only price i could find on the entire site was for some of the software that runs on it.
has anyone got any idea how much this actually costs?
i've needed an extra monitor for a while,
and if that monitor could also do some of the 3d devel i need,
it would be great,
but i cant shell out but so much.
maybe one of the HMDs....
or maybe not.
either way,
that isn't actually the issue now.
in order NOT to prosecute M$ for monopolistic practices would require an amendment to the law itself. for now,
while that remains as it is, the DoJ is only following "orders."
so while in some ways i do agree with you,
though i don't like the way M$ is taking software,
that would require a restructuring of that portion of the US legal system, or at least a portion relating to computers, etc.
hope M$ never thinks to exploit that.
Reason notwithstanding,
this could do more to break down not just the M$ monetary monopoly, but the OS monopoly. If Windows were to split similarly to the unices, lacking some of the necessary standards, perhaps more of the population could be turned to a linux distro.
It's a long shot, and likely out of the question as an actual DoJ option, but it's not a bad thought.
I'm wondering how the linux community as a whole would react to this, and what they would do with it. We've already seen several opinions stating that everything here is to be completely avoided, but I'm not sure that's the best approach. Windows obviously has a massive market base, and if some linux-based company managed to release a version, or if the linux community in general were to work with the kernel, good things could happen. Imagine the increased security, reliability etc., if we were to do so. Of course, this would be a tremendous draw away from linux.
Thoughts, anyone?
-TK