There is a discussion in the Journal Astrophysics and Space Science about the earth in a billion years and they still have the earth at 93m miles. So.... who is agreeing with your theory?
Hmmm. Good points. I don't know if I would agree that the degree of a civilization determines the length of the dark age. Also its hard to imagine with anything like our current technology a Martian colony being "less hostile" than an earth with political problems for science.
I don't know how long it would take to get the transitor. Remember millions of millions of people know the basic progression: vacuum tube -> transistor -> silicon semi conductor. Knowing that it is possible and knowing the economic value it would be hard to repeat the steps for development quickly even if we don't know the details. The 2nd time around we wouldn't end up losing a few decades working on analogue computers before working on improving digital computers.
I'm not sure other countries can't back each other up still.
That being said, there is stuff to be worried about. I'd like more diversity I'm just no sure we are technologically there yet. My point to the grand parent though was that this century has seen a lot of technological advancement including in the last few decades. We aren't in a dark ages now.
Well you are actually disagreeing with the gp in that you think we have formed a relationship. I'd say I agree with him unless dolphins start bring over other dolphins. Then we are looking at the difference between training and trading.
Your average computer today is vastly more complex than an ant. In the late 80's we could make comparisons between an ant's brain and a computer, today the computer has it by a mile.
I don't know. All these extremely complex websites with tons of javascript or flash running in dozens of tabs updating themselves seems to be burning out my CPU. That used to always be the case that CPU doesn't matter. I always make sure to buy lots of ram. Since switching to laptops I've had disk space problems. And frankly CPU has been a cause of my upgrade needs. The only problem is now I can't get a CPU that is 5x faster than what I currently have. Those days are over. I've even considered going back to desktop just to be able to get some more CPU because I can't meaningfully upgrade.
Not really. We don't know if there is life in the clouds of Venus. We have no idea about Europa. We never considered anything like Titan until recently with liquid methane playing the role that water does on Earth. Heck even on Earth we keep discovering new places that life exists, that our shocking.
The sun is getting about 10% more luminous this billion years. Your timeline is off. Think of it this way. 2 billion years ago solar radiation was only 6% less than it is today.
From 1930 to the present has been a golden age for astronomy / cosmology. We've discovered a lot since the 1970s. It turns out that manned flight is not a particularly useful way to learn about space. We don't have the technology to do anything useful with men in space yet. Wishing doesn't make it so. One of the things we've learned is how hostile and dangerous space is, its a tougher environment to survive in than we ever imagined.
Now you want to do a good warmup, long term bases under the ocean which.... we've made substantial progress on. I have budget cuts too. But I think we can't argue that humanity is not learning at a pretty good clip right now. This is not a dark ages.
Why should be able to see and hear them? Are we sure we would even identify them if we did? Will it only be clear in retrospect? We just ran into a tribe living in the Amazon that hadn't been contacted. They saw airplanes, regularly and just associated them with the environment. They had sightings of cruise ships and military ships but since there was no such thing as a boat that big.... they didn't make anything of it.
That may be a technological challenge. We still haven't really figured out how their language works yet. Once we know how to speak dolphin we can see how things turn out. As for fraternizing outside the species.... you see it a lot with herbivores.
If you read your own link you'll see that that was in the early/mid 90's, not the 1980s.
You are right the battle continued into the 1990s. But the heart was in the 1980s. Clipper was sort of a compromise before the government lost all control of encryption.
Pretty much. I loved Watchman, I loved V for Vendeta, I loved From Hell. His stuff makes for great movies. Not so found of league which stayed close to his vision.
If Alan Moore has good ideas he has more material. But ultimately the idea is to get the best movie.
He meant OSX. But IOS seems to be an excellent tablet OS. I've heard a lot of people speak of it better than Android, Symbian, Windows Phone...
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Also remember Linux came out of the Minix world. The goals of Minix and the goals of BSD were very very different. BSD386 was trying to produce a freely available Unix for the 386's for professional use. It ran on better quality 386/486's. Minix was about educational use to teach operating system design and ran on much worse hardware.
Ideas like Linux running everywhere Windows would run came from the Minix community.
How are you getting to trillions? There are 130m households in the USA assume 100m home routers replace everyone of them at $50 ea you are at $5b. Lets say that globally its 5x as big a job so $25b. Lets say that business doubles the cost, $50b. Lets double once more for safety $100b. Now how do I get to one trillion.
And frankly I doubt its this much. I think you end flashing most home routers I think most business can do this fairly easily as everything they bought in the last 10 years supports it...
This is much easier than Y2K. Y2K involved a huge percentage of the code. We already know how to create simple IPV4 networks for applications and NAT them so we don't have a legacy problem. The only place we are missing is at the hardware level. This will cost billions but it is not going to be a a substantial percentage of the entire IT workforce for 18 months.
Methink you have it totally backwards when it comes to "old guys". How do you think that internet and intranet networking that you count on came to be. You think it was always this smooth? The reality is the older guys handled a dozen switches: from token ring to hubs and hubs to switches; from vendor LANs to IPX to NBF to NetBios over TCP/IP to our TCP/IP, and that's assuming you don't have to throw stuff like DecNet in there.
The older guys are a huge asset in doing this because unlike the younger guys this isn't their first time at the dance.
There are about 130m households. Lets assume 100m are on the internet and you do a massive replacement at say $50 each. That's $5b, that's not a massive spend for an national project.
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There is a discussion in the Journal Astrophysics and Space Science about the earth in a billion years and they still have the earth at 93m miles. So.... who is agreeing with your theory?
Hmmm. Good points. I don't know if I would agree that the degree of a civilization determines the length of the dark age. Also its hard to imagine with anything like our current technology a Martian colony being "less hostile" than an earth with political problems for science.
I don't know how long it would take to get the transitor. Remember millions of millions of people know the basic progression: vacuum tube -> transistor -> silicon semi conductor. Knowing that it is possible and knowing the economic value it would be hard to repeat the steps for development quickly even if we don't know the details. The 2nd time around we wouldn't end up losing a few decades working on analogue computers before working on improving digital computers.
I'm not sure other countries can't back each other up still.
That being said, there is stuff to be worried about. I'd like more diversity I'm just no sure we are technologically there yet. My point to the grand parent though was that this century has seen a lot of technological advancement including in the last few decades. We aren't in a dark ages now.
Wow didn't know that. OK example is disproven but main point about integration with technology and primitive people still holds.
Well you are actually disagreeing with the gp in that you think we have formed a relationship. I'd say I agree with him unless dolphins start bring over other dolphins. Then we are looking at the difference between training and trading.
Your average computer today is vastly more complex than an ant. In the late 80's we could make comparisons between an ant's brain and a computer, today the computer has it by a mile.
I don't know. All these extremely complex websites with tons of javascript or flash running in dozens of tabs updating themselves seems to be burning out my CPU. That used to always be the case that CPU doesn't matter. I always make sure to buy lots of ram. Since switching to laptops I've had disk space problems. And frankly CPU has been a cause of my upgrade needs. The only problem is now I can't get a CPU that is 5x faster than what I currently have. Those days are over. I've even considered going back to desktop just to be able to get some more CPU because I can't meaningfully upgrade.
Not really. We don't know if there is life in the clouds of Venus. We have no idea about Europa. We never considered anything like Titan until recently with liquid methane playing the role that water does on Earth. Heck even on Earth we keep discovering new places that life exists, that our shocking.
The reality is we still don't know very much.
The sun is getting about 10% more luminous this billion years. Your timeline is off. Think of it this way. 2 billion years ago solar radiation was only 6% less than it is today.
The whole idea of the rapture was invented by the fundamentalists. Other Christian sects had different end times philosophies.
From 1930 to the present has been a golden age for astronomy / cosmology. We've discovered a lot since the 1970s. It turns out that manned flight is not a particularly useful way to learn about space. We don't have the technology to do anything useful with men in space yet. Wishing doesn't make it so. One of the things we've learned is how hostile and dangerous space is, its a tougher environment to survive in than we ever imagined.
Now you want to do a good warmup, long term bases under the ocean which.... we've made substantial progress on. I have budget cuts too. But I think we can't argue that humanity is not learning at a pretty good clip right now. This is not a dark ages.
Why should be able to see and hear them? Are we sure we would even identify them if we did? Will it only be clear in retrospect? We just ran into a tribe living in the Amazon that hadn't been contacted. They saw airplanes, regularly and just associated them with the environment. They had sightings of cruise ships and military ships but since there was no such thing as a boat that big .... they didn't make anything of it.
That may be a technological challenge. We still haven't really figured out how their language works yet. Once we know how to speak dolphin we can see how things turn out. As for fraternizing outside the species.... you see it a lot with herbivores.
If you read your own link you'll see that that was in the early/mid 90's, not the 1980s.
You are right the battle continued into the 1990s. But the heart was in the 1980s. Clipper was sort of a compromise before the government lost all control of encryption.
Its fairly easy to design something to do what skype does. You will quickly have alternatives that are encrypted....
As for personal use encryption they tried that in the 1980s and we fought it and won. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clipper_chip
Pretty much. I loved Watchman, I loved V for Vendeta, I loved From Hell. His stuff makes for great movies. Not so found of league which stayed close to his vision.
If Alan Moore has good ideas he has more material. But ultimately the idea is to get the best movie.
No I've used Thunderbird and mail.app. I was thinking the thick client not the web client.
There are lots. Zimbra in particular and many more.
Well 6 words: Not different enough yet to matter.
He meant OSX. But IOS seems to be an excellent tablet OS. I've heard a lot of people speak of it better than Android, Symbian, Windows Phone...
Also remember Linux came out of the Minix world. The goals of Minix and the goals of BSD were very very different. BSD386 was trying to produce a freely available Unix for the 386's for professional use. It ran on better quality 386/486's. Minix was about educational use to teach operating system design and ran on much worse hardware.
Ideas like Linux running everywhere Windows would run came from the Minix community.
Or the city says "you are a regulated public utility. the choice is you use lose your cable contract with this city / county".
When we used to actually have a government in the US things were much better.
How are you getting to trillions? There are 130m households in the USA assume 100m home routers replace everyone of them at $50 ea you are at $5b. Lets say that globally its 5x as big a job so $25b. Lets say that business doubles the cost, $50b. Lets double once more for safety $100b. Now how do I get to one trillion.
And frankly I doubt its this much. I think you end flashing most home routers I think most business can do this fairly easily as everything they bought in the last 10 years supports it...
This is much easier than Y2K. Y2K involved a huge percentage of the code. We already know how to create simple IPV4 networks for applications and NAT them so we don't have a legacy problem. The only place we are missing is at the hardware level. This will cost billions but it is not going to be a a substantial percentage of the entire IT workforce for 18 months.
Methink you have it totally backwards when it comes to "old guys". How do you think that internet and intranet networking that you count on came to be. You think it was always this smooth? The reality is the older guys handled a dozen switches: from token ring to hubs and hubs to switches; from vendor LANs to IPX to NBF to NetBios over TCP/IP to our TCP/IP, and that's assuming you don't have to throw stuff like DecNet in there.
The older guys are a huge asset in doing this because unlike the younger guys this isn't their first time at the dance.
There are about 130m households. Lets assume 100m are on the internet and you do a massive replacement at say $50 each. That's $5b, that's not a massive spend for an national project.