Tolerance to some liberals means that everyone should agree that there are no absolutes (which ironcically is an absolute statement) and libel, slander, or persecute anyone who disagrees with their idea.
Can you name one who advocates this and where they said it, i.e. give a cite?
No you made a statement which was the very first line of your argument. He's absolutely right to ask for a citation. Otherwise, you just showed an example of why the belief is considered stupid.
Liberals preach legal tolerance, that is people can't say stupid stuff with no fear of legal penalty and in fact the full protection of law. That's quite different then demanding that when they say stupid stuff they don't get called on it.
Things like posing about the good quality cultural records from 10,000 years ago being a prime example.
I read the article, good link! If you exclude purchasing rights to commercial content it comes in under $100m per year in costs so more like $.40 per user per day. But yeah those numbers don't seem totally far fetched.
I can see a system of inexpensive youtube videos tied to google payment. At say $.05 for a 10 minute video I can easily imagine not worrying about it. The problem is that if they are greedy and it is say $1 for a 10 minute video this will kill the model. I can also see that working well for low distribution content. 10k people at say $.25 per yr x 500 shows is not a bad revenue stream.
The standards for a paysite are much higher than for a free site. That means customer service. I do agree that this isn't likely to happen and the result is going to be that content fragments to dozens of sites all indexed ironically enough by google.
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I was going to ask about KDE or Gnome. MySQL or Postgres is still going strong. Perl or Python ended up being both + Ruby Windowmaker of FVWM ended up with neither
I've been doing strange character sets in Unix for 20 years. I have the old CJKV which goes into quite a bit of detail about ghostscript producing PDF CFF 1.2 (Chinese). Unix has had this for a long time (well before Windows) and Linux (which is international) inherited from Unix. Seriously this is a non issue if you do things the Unix way.
In fact I would assert this is a strength of Linux. Windows (with its very broken) Unicode fonts unperforms here. Heck Linux (TeX) actually is taking on Hindi which is much much worse than Chinese.
This far I've been told "in extremely cheap machine Linux would make more sense" and "buy more expensive peripherals". Wow.
The Unix on the low end makes sense with things like XFCE or ROX. But you need to be choosing all your hardware to work with Linux. The cheapest color laser HP sells is fully PCL compliant. I wish OEMs would stop up to the plate with all hardware, but they haven't so you have to be a little careful.
OEM's cannot compile for the distributions as every minor-minor (security patch) version *requires* different binary. The binary on the CD which comes along the peripheral would certainly not work on any up-to-date distribution. Good? No. Acceptable? IMNSHO no. Preferable? Kernel developers think so.
You are missing the point. You should be getting your computer, your distribution and your DVB card from your OEM. They roll out the security patches to you.
Understandable, that's why the role went out of fashion. Attitudes are different today then they were a decade ago. Apache is much much easier to configure today then it was then and stuff is a lot less experimental. Also webmasters of 1996 would be low level system admins today.
Not necc. At least when those terms were common the system admin dealt with the OS and the hardware related issues.
So for example: set up the raid = system admin install apache = system admin configure apache = webmaster install perl = system admin install mod perl = webmaster
You are right though the person in control of content was often the webmaster so: put html files on development server = web developer put html files on production server = webmaster
The issue is that practically nothing works perfectly out-of-the-box - unless you search and pay more and are lucky. Printers are just nice example.
I'm disagreeing with you on the facts here. If you have say a postscript printer on a network port: 1) generate postscript 2) send it as an unmodified stream to the printer (lp command that Unix has had 40 years works fine).
same with PCL, same with IPDS.... You don't need a driver at all. You just configure the printer raw. What plays the role of the driver on windows is on the printer itself. You completely eliminate the issue. Not only that you end up with a clean marriage between "print to file" and "print to paper" which allows for real proofing.
Back in the 1980s video cards used to all be proprietary and require all sorts of weird binary codes to get actual video. Applications programs that wanted to do video used to ship with their own video drivers and to use the app you installed the correct video driver for you hardware. Of course if the app didn't make the right video driver you either had to change video cards or use a different app or one of the other alternatives (right your own, use a video driver intended for another card and compensate, download one from a bbs...).
Then the standard video modes came out and for VGA, EGA, CGA this ended. And now you don't really need a video driver to do 2D graphics just about any card will accept a 640x480 signal in generic VGA format. And this has even been extended by VESA as resolutions went up to say UXGA (1600x1200) and all the others, so 2D graphics works fine "driverless".
Going back less far when monitors became multi mode each monitor started having monitor drivers which altered how the video card communicated with the monitor. Again standards eliminated this and today you can switch from monitor to monitor without worrying about the monitor's internal hardware.
Similarly for harddrives which used to require loading a driver into the bios which read the first track which loaded a driver into memory which gave you access to the whole drive. Linux used to have to deal with that, A Debian CD in the early 1990s was a large collection of extended floppy virtual images (2.88mb) capable of loading different harddrives to even make installation possible.
Printers have always had these generic modes (with some exceptions). Yeah the $50 inkjets don't support those modes because they are holding down the cost of hardware. In which case you need to be very careful or very skillful. My advice would be don't use those. There isn't a Linux problem with printers there is a Linux problem with Windows only printers. Unix printing never really bought into the Windows philosophy of hardware based print languages handled via. binary drivers.
I don't know anything about DVB but as I mentioned the drivers must exist and must be quite good since embedded Linuxes use them. If they exist, then OEMs who sell computers should compile the drivers for the DVB cards they sell into the kernels of the distributions they provide with their hardware. That's the Unix model for driver distribution when standards don't exist. I don't know why ASUS is not doing that, you could ask them. But the real Unix model is to have the "driver" exist on the hardware and for the OS to be getting a standardized stream and solve this issue forever.
There are no printers "rated" for Linux. Nobody sells printers "this will work with Linux". Besides, Postscript printers are expensive.
I did address your issue. Any postscript, PCL, PDF, IPDS... printer works fine with Linux. Probably better than it does with windows. You don't need to "rate" your printer for Linux, anymore than my browser is rated for slashdot. What you do need to avoid (if you want no hassles) are non standard printers that use windows specific print languages. Even there Linux has pretty good coverage and emulation, but the solution is just not to break standards.
As far as DVB cards, my point was that the drivers exist since the embedded people are using them.
As for out of the box inclusion of DVB with Linux, that might require the OEMs to get involved at this point. In other words the OEM compiles it in with the Linux they distribute with their hardware.
Linux printer = any printer that uses a standard print language like PDF, Postscript, PCL, IPDS....
As far as DVB card. Quite a few cable boxes, DVRs... are running an embedded Linux. Anyway here is the kind of list that covers this: http://hardware4linux.info/type/87/
GCC supports cross compiling. You indicate the target platform and compile on a different machine. There is no reason to compile on the Eee just because you want to compile for the Eee.
I answered your main point about printers... above.
I've never seen anything on Allegroserve. What other Lisp Ap servers are there. Haskell is a kissing cousin and Happs exists.
I don't think either is nearly as full featured as ROR, much less the professional quality ones that Scala uses. Playing with Happs is on my todo list.
AFAIK the main OSes were OpenVMS and NT was second. As far as binaries, it was my understanding that NT Alpha did not use emulation but rather slowly converted the program creating a new binary, so that at least for the first 20 or so runs the program got faster and faster.
Microsoft for a long time has seen Linux as a classic disruptive technology. They just avoided getting disrupted on the low end of the home market for several years. This is a huge win NQA.
Now Linux proponents should try to find out why (Linux is not ready).
Well the issue is pretty clear. Software, Linux distributions like Limpus, Mandriva, Xandros... weren't ready with Netbook only distributions in the first few months. They didn't have large software repositories set up to promote downloads. They didn't help hardware manufacturers take advantage of movement by installing a wealth of open source software.
For example a full version of Sage (for your engineering and math courses), all the stuff from Morphix NLP linguistics courses, KDEedu, GnomeEDU, etc... And for the 4g and 8g systems things like a dozen preconfigured network images for various uses: Professional, Home, College Student general, College student Sci/math, High School student, Middle School....
They went head to head with Microsoft in providing a stripped down OS to load on particular hardware and the value proposition just wasn't there.
Why does it matter that it is a Unix? Linux, not a certified Unix, but actually more "traditional"; and Windows Server which is neither has been replacing the traditional Unixes. I'd argue that certified seems to mean very little.
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Can you name one who advocates this and where they said it, i.e. give a cite?
No you made a statement which was the very first line of your argument. He's absolutely right to ask for a citation. Otherwise, you just showed an example of why the belief is considered stupid.
Liberals preach legal tolerance, that is people can't say stupid stuff with no fear of legal penalty and in fact the full protection of law. That's quite different then demanding that when they say stupid stuff they don't get called on it.
Things like posing about the good quality cultural records from 10,000 years ago being a prime example.
There no accurate records from 8000 BCE, I wish there were.
Even at a $.05 the risk would be too much?
I read the article, good link! If you exclude purchasing rights to commercial content it comes in under $100m per year in costs so more like $.40 per user per day. But yeah those numbers don't seem totally far fetched.
I can see a system of inexpensive youtube videos tied to google payment. At say $.05 for a 10 minute video I can easily imagine not worrying about it. The problem is that if they are greedy and it is say $1 for a 10 minute video this will kill the model. I can also see that working well for low distribution content. 10k people at say $.25 per yr x 500 shows is not a bad revenue stream.
The standards for a paysite are much higher than for a free site. That means customer service. I do agree that this isn't likely to happen and the result is going to be that content fragments to dozens of sites all indexed ironically enough by google.
I was going to ask about KDE or Gnome.
MySQL or Postgres is still going strong.
Perl or Python ended up being both + Ruby
Windowmaker of FVWM ended up with neither
You did not try to print Chinese, did you.
I've been doing strange character sets in Unix for 20 years. I have the old CJKV which goes into quite a bit of detail about ghostscript producing PDF CFF 1.2 (Chinese). Unix has had this for a long time (well before Windows) and Linux (which is international) inherited from Unix. Seriously this is a non issue if you do things the Unix way.
In fact I would assert this is a strength of Linux. Windows (with its very broken) Unicode fonts unperforms here. Heck Linux (TeX) actually is taking on Hindi which is much much worse than Chinese.
This far I've been told "in extremely cheap machine Linux would make more sense" and "buy more expensive peripherals". Wow.
The Unix on the low end makes sense with things like XFCE or ROX. But you need to be choosing all your hardware to work with Linux. The cheapest color laser HP sells is fully PCL compliant. I wish OEMs would stop up to the plate with all hardware, but they haven't so you have to be a little careful.
OEM's cannot compile for the distributions as every minor-minor (security patch) version *requires* different binary.
The binary on the CD which comes along the peripheral would certainly not work on any up-to-date distribution.
Good? No. Acceptable? IMNSHO no. Preferable? Kernel developers think so.
You are missing the point. You should be getting your computer, your distribution and your DVB card from your OEM. They roll out the security patches to you.
Do what that is so horrible? Basically screw up the webserver.
Its sort of like DBA vs. system admin dichotomy that still exists.
Understandable, that's why the role went out of fashion. Attitudes are different today then they were a decade ago. Apache is much much easier to configure today then it was then and stuff is a lot less experimental. Also webmasters of 1996 would be low level system admins today.
Not necc. At least when those terms were common the system admin dealt with the OS and the hardware related issues.
So for example:
set up the raid = system admin
install apache = system admin
configure apache = webmaster
install perl = system admin
install mod perl = webmaster
You are right though the person in control of content was often the webmaster so:
put html files on development server = web developer
put html files on production server = webmaster
I consider webmaster to be someone who can administer server aspects. Jump into httpd.conf, hosts config file...
The issue is that practically nothing works perfectly out-of-the-box - unless you search and pay more and are lucky. Printers are just nice example.
I'm disagreeing with you on the facts here. If you have say a postscript printer on a network port:
1) generate postscript
2) send it as an unmodified stream to the printer (lp command that Unix has had 40 years works fine).
same with PCL, same with IPDS....
You don't need a driver at all. You just configure the printer raw. What plays the role of the driver on windows is on the printer itself. You completely eliminate the issue. Not only that you end up with a clean marriage between "print to file" and "print to paper" which allows for real proofing.
Back in the 1980s video cards used to all be proprietary and require all sorts of weird binary codes to get actual video. Applications programs that wanted to do video used to ship with their own video drivers and to use the app you installed the correct video driver for you hardware. Of course if the app didn't make the right video driver you either had to change video cards or use a different app or one of the other alternatives (right your own, use a video driver intended for another card and compensate, download one from a bbs...).
Then the standard video modes came out and for VGA, EGA, CGA this ended. And now you don't really need a video driver to do 2D graphics just about any card will accept a 640x480 signal in generic VGA format. And this has even been extended by VESA as resolutions went up to say UXGA (1600x1200) and all the others, so 2D graphics works fine "driverless".
Going back less far when monitors became multi mode each monitor started having monitor drivers which altered how the video card communicated with the monitor. Again standards eliminated this and today you can switch from monitor to monitor without worrying about the monitor's internal hardware.
Similarly for harddrives which used to require loading a driver into the bios which read the first track which loaded a driver into memory which gave you access to the whole drive. Linux used to have to deal with that, A Debian CD in the early 1990s was a large collection of extended floppy virtual images (2.88mb) capable of loading different harddrives to even make installation possible.
Printers have always had these generic modes (with some exceptions). Yeah the $50 inkjets don't support those modes because they are holding down the cost of hardware. In which case you need to be very careful or very skillful. My advice would be don't use those. There isn't a Linux problem with printers there is a Linux problem with Windows only printers. Unix printing never really bought into the Windows philosophy of hardware based print languages handled via. binary drivers.
I don't know anything about DVB but as I mentioned the drivers must exist and must be quite good since embedded Linuxes use them. If they exist, then OEMs who sell computers should compile the drivers for the DVB cards they sell into the kernels of the distributions they provide with their hardware. That's the Unix model for driver distribution when standards don't exist. I don't know why ASUS is not doing that, you could ask them. But the real Unix model is to have the "driver" exist on the hardware and for the OS to be getting a standardized stream and solve this issue forever.
There are no printers "rated" for Linux. Nobody sells printers "this will work with Linux". Besides, Postscript printers are expensive.
I did address your issue. Any postscript, PCL, PDF, IPDS... printer works fine with Linux. Probably better than it does with windows. You don't need to "rate" your printer for Linux, anymore than my browser is rated for slashdot. What you do need to avoid (if you want no hassles) are non standard printers that use windows specific print languages. Even there Linux has pretty good coverage and emulation, but the solution is just not to break standards.
As far as DVB cards, my point was that the drivers exist since the embedded people are using them.
As for out of the box inclusion of DVB with Linux, that might require the OEMs to get involved at this point. In other words the OEM compiles it in with the Linux they distribute with their hardware.
Average Joe's don't compile kernels at all.
Linux printer = any printer that uses a standard print language like PDF, Postscript, PCL, IPDS....
As far as DVB card. Quite a few cable boxes, DVRs... are running an embedded Linux. Anyway here is the kind of list that covers this:
http://hardware4linux.info/type/87/
GCC supports cross compiling. You indicate the target platform and compile on a different machine. There is no reason to compile on the Eee just because you want to compile for the Eee.
I answered your main point about printers... above.
I've never seen anything on Allegroserve. What other Lisp Ap servers are there. Haskell is a kissing cousin and Happs exists.
I don't think either is nearly as full featured as ROR, much less the professional quality ones that Scala uses. Playing with Happs is on my todo list.
AFAIK the main OSes were OpenVMS and NT was second. As far as binaries, it was my understanding that NT Alpha did not use emulation but rather slowly converted the program creating a new binary, so that at least for the first 20 or so runs the program got faster and faster.
Microsoft for a long time has seen Linux as a classic disruptive technology. They just avoided getting disrupted on the low end of the home market for several years. This is a huge win NQA.
Huh? NT4 was very popular on Alpha. What are you talking about?
How will it tick people off? Microsoft has had weird OEM pricing for 2 decades now, and no one cares.
People still want to run 2 or 3 windows apps on their netbook. And which 2 or 3 depend on the person.
Well the issue is pretty clear. Software, Linux distributions like Limpus, Mandriva, Xandros... weren't ready with Netbook only distributions in the first few months. They didn't have large software repositories set up to promote downloads. They didn't help hardware manufacturers take advantage of movement by installing a wealth of open source software.
For example a full version of Sage (for your engineering and math courses), all the stuff from Morphix NLP linguistics courses, KDEedu, GnomeEDU, etc... And for the 4g and 8g systems things like a dozen preconfigured network images for various uses: Professional, Home, College Student general, College student Sci/math, High School student, Middle School....
They went head to head with Microsoft in providing a stripped down OS to load on particular hardware and the value proposition just wasn't there.
Why does it matter that it is a Unix? Linux, not a certified Unix, but actually more "traditional"; and Windows Server which is neither has been replacing the traditional Unixes. I'd argue that certified seems to mean very little.
Who is running OSX on big iron?