reading this old thread. FWIW yes RedHat's focus is on containers. RedHat's IaaS/PaaS strategy is based on OpenStack / OpenShift and a core component of the new PaaS designs is managing containers. Systemd is one of the 5 underlying technologies in Project Atomic (here is an image of how this looks on OpenShift: https://blog.openshift.com/wp-...). Systemd is useful because it handles many of the low level function that the PaaS (in RedHat's case OpenShift but they also support others) used to have to do.
That being said clients and developers care a great deal about PaaS functionality. So the AC is simply wrong on that front. RedHat is focusing on that because that's the direction development is going in.
Ok dictionary: the action or practice of inflicting severe pain on someone as a punishment or to force them to do or say something, or for the pleasure of the person inflicting the pain.
USA law: “torture” means an act committed by a person acting under the color of law specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering
Correct. That's a problem with middle class defendants. They often have a weird payoff matrix where any felony is treated as super serious. So to get them to plea once you want a felony plea they need to be looking at something like 15+ years if convicted. Which creates the overcharging which...
Yes read your own link may have touched her face with the gloves of her protective suit while caring for a priest who died of the disease, a doctor treating her said on Wednesday.
She got it from a very sick person. And that's what you keep ignoring. People don't walk around and spread ebola. There is no global pandemic because the contagious are limited in who they infect.
No. I'm oversimplifying a bit but so you get this assume that:
92% matched the DNA proving guilt (or at least heavy contact that confirmed the theory) 1% the DNA was someone else's who was a more likely suspect and thus proved innocence.
Well sure but that world of effectively infinite bandwidth with low latency is not going to happen at least not soon. Latency has for many routes been going up slightly as traffic increases. For the next decade or two QoS matters.
The torture system was designed to get guilty people to confess by subjecting them to a strong stimulus which caused them to act against their long term best interests in favor of their short term best interests. The plea bargain system is a threat designed to elicit a confession. An analog involving violence would be something like "confess or I'll kill you", not torture. That's not the same thing as torture.
Torture while bad (and possibly ineffectual) doesn't undermine the fundamental purpose of a criminal justice system. A system designed to encourage suspects to lie until the very end, may not involving doing any bad acts but it does undermine the fundamental purpose of a criminal justice system.
The plea bargain system tries to avoid both the bad acts and the fundamental undermining.
No it is not fine with net-neutrality. Setting up one class of users (non-profits) as opposed to other sets of users is violating the core idea of it. Sorry you cant have it both ways. Either all packets are equal (which is frankly stupid given that people want QoS) or some packets are privileged for X reason. Then we have debates about reasons.
and thus any "accountability" to the public is arm's length at best
Hold on. There are two types of issues:
a) Is the systematic biases present acceptable to the public. I.E, is the policy in a statistical sense working? b) Are the individual biased being handled. I.E. are the policy failures at an individual level acceptable?
I was talking about (a) you are now shifting towards a discussion of (b). In terms of (b) the answer seems to be yes. Most times when cases are considered by the broader public we don't see demands for systematic changes "nothing like this should ever happen".
Cops can cost their departments hundreds of thousands of dollars in civil judgments, and they continue working as they did before even in the presence of overwhelming public support to have them removed.
How does that happen? With overwhelming public support the city council (or whatever appropriate agency) can just fire them. You would be talking about overwhelming public support and the elected officials not responding to such support? Where does that happen? Can you present some examples of this?
Prosecutors run roughshod over the rights of people, and it takes a huge media interest and the efforts of wealthy people to get merely the most egregious examples dealt with.
The broad public does not seem to care much about prosecutorial abuses. Judges who act harshly against it are frequently quite criticized. Similarly politicians. Communities if they believed there was such a problem would be doing things like enhancing the power and oversight of grand juries, altering civilian review boards... Mechanisms for constraining prosecutors exist but they are generally unpopular.
Often the public is not even aware of what's going on, so is it okay for individuals to be financially ruined or carry around an undeserved criminal record just because the voters didn't make a big stink about it?
That's a different issue. I'm saying the policy is what the public supports. You are now switching to the public supports the abuses but the are bad in some objective sense. I agree with you. We do need a system much less prone to abuse, though I don't agree with most of the suggestions being offered to accomplish that. But let's not conflate the objective issue of what is objectively right and wrong with the other issue of the voters mostly supporting the level of abuses we have.
Obviously Ebola has had way more chance to evolve in the last 6 months than it has in the previous 2 centuries. There are two likely mutations for Ebola:
1) Becoming more contagious.
2) Not destroy the target's ability to move around at the point of maximum infection.
To do both of those it has to do less damage to the circulatory system before spreading to the rest of the body. That is become much less lethal and slower moving in the body. That is start acting more like a flu and less like a killer virus. Flus still kill people but the survival rate is much much higher. We know how to handle flus type virus we do it all the time.
Africa is kind of the worst case as far as poverty, density, bad governments... There are places in Asia which are bad but again it would be contained to isolated areas. South America I'm having more trouble seeing where the problem is. Those countries have a health and communications infrastructure. too.
Tell that to the nurse who just touched her face with a glove.
She didn't get it from touching her face with a glove. She got it from touching an extremely sick person with a glove and then not handling the glove properly. Humans are a vital part of the incubation process. Humans are extremely ill at the time they are producing large quantities of the virus. Because the virus' first objective is the circulatory system which isn't an unsued part of the body when they are running around on a rush hour subway.
People who are contagious (to any measurable extent) do not take subways. Similarly:
For example international trade would be devastated by a pandemic. You can't disinfect every box, packet and bag in every cargo container entering your country from every country.
People who are contagious do not work in factories packing goods. We wouldn't need to to disinfect every box because it wouldn't get on the boxes in the first place.
And BTW we can disinfect most boxes. Most cargo entering America could be heated to 150 degrees (Fahrenheit) and be undamaged. Yes we could rather easily set up such a process as part of our standard unloading processes. Or do it to the containers using mobile generation systems when they ae loaded onto trucks. The truck can certainly handle it (though the driver would need to be out of the truck at the time). And we could easily not import things that couldn't like food for a while.
We've had various tests. For example when DNA testing became available old cases were tested. Somewhere between 1-8% (depending on how you count) of those who had pled guilty were proven not to have committed the crime based on the DNA evidence. So even if we take the worst case number of 8% that's a very strong correlation.
"Before the court accepts a plea of guilty or nolo contendere, the defendant may be placed under oath, and the court must address the defendant personally in open court...."
You are forgetting a crucial thing. Ebola is fairly hard to catch. Ebola is highly contagious when the people who have it very very sick they aren't going to supermarkets because they can't get up to walk. That's why the cases in the USA were easy to isolate and control. 1000x as many cases would still be easy to isolate and control.
America has a good communication system. We have a strong legal system. We have a government whom in large measure we trust and obey and is thus able to coordinate action. We have a complex economy capable of moving millions of people to take collective action.
There is not going to be a domestic ebola pandemic. It simply cannot happen. Regardless of how bad ebola gets globally domestically ebola won't remotely compare to say traffic accidents, heart disease, diabetes, suicides...
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reading this old thread. FWIW yes RedHat's focus is on containers. RedHat's IaaS/PaaS strategy is based on OpenStack / OpenShift and a core component of the new PaaS designs is managing containers. Systemd is one of the 5 underlying technologies in Project Atomic (here is an image of how this looks on OpenShift: https://blog.openshift.com/wp-...). Systemd is useful because it handles many of the low level function that the PaaS (in RedHat's case OpenShift but they also support others) used to have to do.
That being said clients and developers care a great deal about PaaS functionality. So the AC is simply wrong on that front. RedHat is focusing on that because that's the direction development is going in.
Ok
dictionary: the action or practice of inflicting severe pain on someone as a punishment or to force them to do or say something, or for the pleasure of the person inflicting the pain.
USA law: “torture” means an act committed by a person acting under the color of law specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering
etc...
Correct. That's a problem with middle class defendants. They often have a weird payoff matrix where any felony is treated as super serious. So to get them to plea once you want a felony plea they need to be looking at something like 15+ years if convicted. Which creates the overcharging which...
Yes read your own link
may have touched her face with the gloves of her protective suit while caring for a priest who died of the disease, a doctor treating her said on Wednesday.
She got it from a very sick person. And that's what you keep ignoring. People don't walk around and spread ebola. There is no global pandemic because the contagious are limited in who they infect.
No. I'm oversimplifying a bit but so you get this assume that:
92% matched the DNA proving guilt (or at least heavy contact that confirmed the theory)
1% the DNA was someone else's who was a more likely suspect and thus proved innocence.
What does QoS on the router do for you? The main source of latency is the middle miles. Your router doesn't even get you through all of the last mile.
Well sure but that world of effectively infinite bandwidth with low latency is not going to happen at least not soon. Latency has for many routes been going up slightly as traffic increases. For the next decade or two QoS matters.
What discrimination do you believe Google is engage in?
No the 92% were certainly guilty. Their DNA confirmed the original finding of guilt. The 8% is the upper bound.
The torture system was designed to get guilty people to confess by subjecting them to a strong stimulus which caused them to act against their long term best interests in favor of their short term best interests. The plea bargain system is a threat designed to elicit a confession. An analog involving violence would be something like "confess or I'll kill you", not torture. That's not the same thing as torture.
Torture while bad (and possibly ineffectual) doesn't undermine the fundamental purpose of a criminal justice system. A system designed to encourage suspects to lie until the very end, may not involving doing any bad acts but it does undermine the fundamental purpose of a criminal justice system.
The plea bargain system tries to avoid both the bad acts and the fundamental undermining.
No it is not fine with net-neutrality. Setting up one class of users (non-profits) as opposed to other sets of users is violating the core idea of it. Sorry you cant have it both ways. Either all packets are equal (which is frankly stupid given that people want QoS) or some packets are privileged for X reason. Then we have debates about reasons.
Hold on. There are two types of issues:
a) Is the systematic biases present acceptable to the public. I.E, is the policy in a statistical sense working?
b) Are the individual biased being handled. I.E. are the policy failures at an individual level acceptable?
I was talking about (a) you are now shifting towards a discussion of (b). In terms of (b) the answer seems to be yes. Most times when cases are considered by the broader public we don't see demands for systematic changes "nothing like this should ever happen".
How does that happen? With overwhelming public support the city council (or whatever appropriate agency) can just fire them. You would be talking about overwhelming public support and the elected officials not responding to such support? Where does that happen? Can you present some examples of this?
The broad public does not seem to care much about prosecutorial abuses. Judges who act harshly against it are frequently quite criticized. Similarly politicians. Communities if they believed there was such a problem would be doing things like enhancing the power and oversight of grand juries, altering civilian review boards... Mechanisms for constraining prosecutors exist but they are generally unpopular.
That's a different issue. I'm saying the policy is what the public supports. You are now switching to the public supports the abuses but the are bad in some objective sense. I agree with you. We do need a system much less prone to abuse, though I don't agree with most of the suggestions being offered to accomplish that. But let's not conflate the objective issue of what is objectively right and wrong with the other issue of the voters mostly supporting the level of abuses we have.
I think you meant paint thinner. Rubbing alcohol is 0 proof. :)
Obviously Ebola has had way more chance to evolve in the last 6 months than it has in the previous 2 centuries. There are two likely mutations for Ebola:
1) Becoming more contagious.
2) Not destroy the target's ability to move around at the point of maximum infection.
To do both of those it has to do less damage to the circulatory system before spreading to the rest of the body. That is become much less lethal and slower moving in the body. That is start acting more like a flu and less like a killer virus. Flus still kill people but the survival rate is much much higher. We know how to handle flus type virus we do it all the time.
An AC is accusing a long term poster or trolling. That's rich.
Africa is kind of the worst case as far as poverty, density, bad governments... There are places in Asia which are bad but again it would be contained to isolated areas. South America I'm having more trouble seeing where the problem is. Those countries have a health and communications infrastructure. too.
She didn't get it from touching her face with a glove. She got it from touching an extremely sick person with a glove and then not handling the glove properly. Humans are a vital part of the incubation process. Humans are extremely ill at the time they are producing large quantities of the virus. Because the virus' first objective is the circulatory system which isn't an unsued part of the body when they are running around on a rush hour subway.
People who are contagious (to any measurable extent) do not take subways. Similarly:
People who are contagious do not work in factories packing goods. We wouldn't need to to disinfect every box because it wouldn't get on the boxes in the first place.
And BTW we can disinfect most boxes. Most cargo entering America could be heated to 150 degrees (Fahrenheit) and be undamaged. Yes we could rather easily set up such a process as part of our standard unloading processes. Or do it to the containers using mobile generation systems when they ae loaded onto trucks. The truck can certainly handle it (though the driver would need to be out of the truck at the time). And we could easily not import things that couldn't like food for a while.
We've had various tests. For example when DNA testing became available old cases were tested. Somewhere between 1-8% (depending on how you count) of those who had pled guilty were proven not to have committed the crime based on the DNA evidence. So even if we take the worst case number of 8% that's a very strong correlation.
You are changing the criteria from
a) Accountable to the community
to
b) Accountable in a way that satisfies you
I get that you aren't satisfied. But your problem is you disagree with the voting community not that they aren't accountable to it.
Even the Republicans still believe in the germ theory of disease. So far that isn't partisan.
"Before the court accepts a plea of guilty or nolo contendere, the defendant may be placed under oath, and the court must address the defendant personally in open court...."
Prosecutors try cases before juries. If they lose public support they become ineffectual.
Law enforcement directly gets budget from the community. The absolutely need public support and when it is missing they change behavior quickly.
You are forgetting a crucial thing. Ebola is fairly hard to catch. Ebola is highly contagious when the people who have it very very sick they aren't going to supermarkets because they can't get up to walk. That's why the cases in the USA were easy to isolate and control. 1000x as many cases would still be easy to isolate and control.
America has a good communication system. We have a strong legal system. We have a government whom in large measure we trust and obey and is thus able to coordinate action. We have a complex economy capable of moving millions of people to take collective action.
There is not going to be a domestic ebola pandemic. It simply cannot happen. Regardless of how bad ebola gets globally domestically ebola won't remotely compare to say traffic accidents, heart disease, diabetes, suicides...
It doesn't happen often but Claude Stuart, Queens assistant district attorney just got moderately punished for it.
There is a pretty strong correlation between pleas and guilt. Not perfect but not worthless either. Increasing that correlation is the goal.