I thought is was great that they didn't mention the trolls
Well, I can't see it myself:
Frodo *Thinks*:Ohh, ohh, look there's the trolls Uncle Bilbo's told us about for all these years and years...ah, get a grip, don't let the others see you gettig excited...Don't mention it, look cool. Maybe slip my shades on...Heyyy, lookin' good!
The cave troll definitely got screen time
And then some! I thought it might be up for supporting actor against Sir Ian. I've just realised there were two "Sir Ian"s in the film. I wonder if this is a first.
For example, I won't work somewhere where I'm forced to use windows or mac.
Well, I own the company so I get to choose! But I'd not turn down a pay-cheque on the basis of having to use the Mac; I wouldn't apply for a job in a Windows shop.
I'm not anti-Mac but I do get tired of this whole anally retentive GUI attitude that the original poster came out with.
The fight in Moria was far too long and quite badly done; the bit at the end was also over extended, although it may just have been in contrast to the rocket-speed ride through Loth Lorian. Jackson likes fights, he doesn't like character development so Lorien got the chop pretty badly.
Should all cars be easy to drive? No F1, no Indi500 or dragsters?
The OS that did this first and best was been Windoze.
Actually the one that did this first and best was the Mac. By a long way on both counts.
Free doesn't mean anything if you can't use it
And having a powerful computer means nothing if you have to fight the GUI to get at the clock cycles.
If linux as it is now is going to excel it needs to come preinstalled...
MS will never allow that.
It also needs to see some floor space in CompUSA/Office Max/Circuit City with a price tag that is significantly lower than that of a comprable windows machine
Yes, and they had a picnic in front of them without anyone even mentioning they were there. Obviously a bit of the scene was cut out for the three hour ad and a little "teaser" of the film left in.
The non-stone trolls were in "The Hobbit", not FotR.
FotR was never a real attempt to adapt the book, the editing made it clear that parts had been held back for the DVD (eg, the trolls), while leaving in totally pointless material to pad it out (the long, tedious fight scenes).
What can I say? It worked: this is going to be the biggest grossing crap movie of all time.
If you select some text and then unselect it, you can't middle button paste.
I can. I've never used a Linux machine where this worked as you suggest.
Open KWord
KDE/KOffice are not the same as QT. I don't have KWord installed here.
Doing what you say works as expected ("selection" gets pasted) in Opera which is a QT app and the wrong way in KHexEdit, so it seems as though the KDE people are interfering in the process and getting it wrong, rather than TrollTech. Since I don't use KDE I was not aware that they'd screwed it up.
But if the source is available you can pay someone else to fix it/customise it for you even when the vendor isn't interested in one-off modifications that they know they won't be able to sell to other users.
The article is saying that Enterprise users would prefer the "no fixes/changes until someone else feels like it" option over the "we can fix it if we have to but it's a pain" option and it's just not true. Obviously they'd rather have "the vendor fixes it quickly and for free when we ask" but that box is usually greyed out in closed source.
Highlighting of text with the mouse, both in X (and on the normal console if you have the mouse working) should do "Copy to the Primary Selection". QT has got this right since at least version 2.0, the version of Gnome that came with RH7.2 still didn't.
And it's not just the UI that suffers. Simple interapplication interaction like copy and paste was horribly limited.
This is the one area that bothers me too. It really hacks me off when I use a GNOME app that doesn't undersand that highlighting=copy and middle button=paste.
But, on the other hand, this shows up the biggest problem with the unified UI: progress dies. The highlight/middle buttion is far better than the menu/keyboard shortcut method used in Gnome and Windows. But UUI fans would not tolerate adding this to an existing system because there would inevitably be a period of half-adoption where some people had it and others did not, leading to brain-haemorrhaging amongst users.
The answer is to produce sensible UI's that work for the task at hand and not to introduce changes on a whim, but don't avoid new things just because you think the users are too stupid to cope.
And the general public are the people who really count, not you.
Why? This is a fundimental issue. As Linus has said, if it works for him and other people have things that work for them, who cares? Why do you feel Linux is a failure until it has converted the entire world? Why do the general public matter more than the people actually using Linux now? If they're happy and we're happy then what is your problem?
he was just complimenting OS X as having the best Unix UI and you couldn't even respond on that point.
No, he said that it was the most "successful" desktop and I responded to that. Sorry if I didn't respond to things he didn't say.
People who don't give a crap about the semantics of the word used for folder or directory are not "simpletons".
Again, it was the original poster that brought up the issue, not me. The implication he made was that "directory" was a less intuitive word than "folder". I responded by implying that anyone who did actually find the word "directory" confusing was a simpleton; I did not mean that I believe such people exist other than in the poster's head.
they view computers as tools to accomplish tasks or to obtain entertainment from but not anything more than that.
Try reading my post, that was my point.
if they don't want to take the time to learn the most trivial of computer trivia they must be idiots
I think you're still suffering under the delusion that I brought up the whole folder/directory thing aren't you? I specifically stated that people are not interested in these things.
Can you see how silly you sound yet?
Can you see the importance of actually reading things before mouthing off about them yet?
It works for what you need - that doesn't mean it works for everyone else.
Exactly. The problem is that the unified interface approach is exclusive. You simply can not have both a unified interface and choice so if you are in favor of choice and you getting what you want and me getting what I want then you're in trouble. In this case one has to throw one of the options out; I choose to throw out the restrictive one.
If you want restrictive mass-produced, lowest common denominator interfaces that have the very minor virtue of being consistant in their mistakes then go and use one but fuck you if you're going to try to force me to do likewise.
*Cough* KDE or Gnome + Star/Open Office *Cough*
A combination which will bring a machine to its knees
This is true, that why I use WindowMaker. Yes, WindowMaker for all your desktop needs. The problem with KDE/Gnome is that they are repeating Windows' mistakes in the belief that users can not cope with change when in fact what they really can't cope with is not getting their work done. This error has led them both far down the bloat path.
Star Office is moving away from the "load everything at once" approach but does still have some way to go I'll admit.
But, on Linux you have the choice to use something a little more svelte if you want to.
I am proud to stand as one of them, and will continue to use an operating system which gives me the freedom to do what I want with my computer.
By Gad, sir! You stir the emotions! If only we had some music to play. I don't know if a room full of geeks would stand at the sound of "P-P-P-Pick up a P-P-P-Penguin", but I can't think of anything else appropriate.
Funny how these people happily ignore all the problems of closed source apps, isn't it? The security issues, the continual upgrade payments, the bloated system requirements, the worry of the company dying and support drying up. Not to mention the cost.
The most pathetic thing in the world is a prisoner what spends their time rationalising about how much better off they are than those poor saps that have to pay for rent and food outside.
Linux has some of the best desktops. I use WindowMaker on every machine and I install it as the default on every machine. Even people new to computers settle into it within a few minutes. It is far better than KDE/GNOME/Windows/MacOSX. I've never edited a single WM config file by hand either.
Unfortunately, they are the absolute worst kind of people you could ever sent to do desktop stuff.
What I think you really mean is that they are too interested in porductivity and not enough in interesting little icons. Well, most secretaries are interested in productivity too and they don't give a shit about GUI theories that spout all kind of ways to "interface with the user": they want a clean simple fast method of telling their computer what they want it to do next.
The reason why MacOS X is currently the most successful unix desktop
Is that it's preinstalled on Macs. Reactions to it are mixed at best but, just like Windows, the users are locked in and frankly Apple isn't interested in whether they like it or not. Jobs made it pretty clear that the desktop was changing and the users could like it and ask for more, please Sir.
They don't have 30 years of anti-newbie, RTFM baggage they've got to get rid of, and no one has a problem saying the word "folder" instead of "directory".
There is a lot less anti-newbie feeling than there is a dislike of being told that useful and productive tools that need some time to master are less important than pandering to simpletons that can't handle difficult words like "directory". Explain again why "folder" makes more sense; particularly the bit where I open a folder and find more folders inside. Which metaphor are we using here?
To get to the point that the mac community is at, linux developers will have to undergo a radical attitude debugging.
Assuming they wanted to get to that point, where their market is shrinking and the hardware they use is grossly overpriced for the performance and there hasn't been a new application of any note for a decade.
Unfortunately, fixing people problems are a hell of a lot harder than fixing technological ones.
How true. It is much harder to get people to try thinking instead of just following the latest pronouncements of the Gates and Jobs of this world. Imagine if people using computers felt they had a chance of arranging their desktop to suit themselves instead of some expert with a joke degree in Human-Computer-Interfaces. Or even, Jobs-forbid! an actual choice in which desktop to use! Jesus Christ! The sky is falling, the users have choice; the unified user interface is under attack!
Basically, to hell with you and to hell with people that want their users to be good little sheep. Linux on the desktop does every work related task I've had for four years now ranging from graphics to web design to large document preparation to programming and if you want to pretend it's not happening it's no skin off my nose. I'm not depending on a financially insecure company with a terrble track record for supporting its users when things get tough.
An interesting point about these theories is that they all assume that the NSA is a competent organisation. There seems to me to be a fair bit of evidence that they are in fact a bunch of self-politicised, bureaucratic, clueless idiots who spend their time and money talking to contractors whose only interest in life is to divest the government of as much money for as little work as possible, usually to a high level of success. 20 years behind sounds more realistic.
I had visions of another Titanic - 11 Oscars and no story, but the jury rightly ignored the mediocre LotR.
What did piss me off was the introduction of the Best Animated Film award. This just gives the jury a reason to ignore animated films when looking at Best Film. Shrek and Monsters Inc were both good enough to be nominated for Best Film but instead are pushed in the ghetto of "specialist" categories.
DeCSS is a specific algorithm for breaking CSS (which is the encryption system).
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There is no reason to despise magic strings.
You don't have much programming experience, do you? Magic strings are a dire way to do anything. MIME has been around for quite a long time now and was invented as a solution to all the problems of magic strings in messages, the obvious one being how difficult it is to handle a message about the magic strings (Outlook still can't handle these). MIME makes sure that the strings are unique to the message, not the class of attachment.
Data about the message should all be in the header. This is so obious that it is hard to imagine what you think the header of a message is for.
No, using the subject line is not obviously a terrible way to determine filenames, segments, and anything else.
The subject line is for the subject. What the fuck are you smoking? Why not the From line or the X-Envelope line? Because that's not what they're for!
find it very convienent to know exactly what my yEnc files will be saved as, how big they are, and how many parts they are
Your client should tell you that from properly formatted headers; the Subject line is for the subject.
If we expect newsgroups standards to reach everyone, we must use the lowest common denominator.
So, no yEnc then. You are arguing that we can't change anything but that we should embrace any half-arsed new encoding that comes along
Which is exactly what the creators of yEnc intended.
I think you are confused about who the creators of yEnc was; one aim of any new encoding should be reliability.
I don't blame him. Jurgen is a coder, not a politician. I would have done the same thing.
Class-level magic strings belong in the museum along with line numbers in source code; Jurgen isn't much of a coder if he doesn't understand this.
But the point is it works right now, and it's working great.
It sort of works sometimes right now, if the spec had been put in as a MIME type it could have worked well all the time in a few months. As you say, Usenet has waited 6 years so why not a few months extra and get it right?
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Instead it scans the file itself.
What happens when the posting is about yEnc and includes a description of how the encoding starts and ends? Does it know that that's not really an attachment?
Well- it's been nice chatting with you in this ignored forum, since we can have a discussion without constantly getting modded down for being offtopic.
Yes, makes a nice change.
I think that in my example of owning the vhs and then downloading the divx, this is still borderline, since they expect you to buy the dvd if you own the vhs, they don't give it away free, or allow you to copy it...
An argument there is that the DVD is such better quality than the VHS that it's reasonable to ask for more payment. I hate VHS so I'd go along with that myself.
I was talking about the question of whether downloading is a problem for the film industry now as they claim. It isn't because people (the "I" in my comment) don't generally have the patience to download films. I personally might, given 10xbroadband, download items which I can't get any other way (and, yes, that would often technically be theft) but I would buy such things if I could. As an example, I would be very keen to get a copy of Max Fleischer's version of "Snow White and the Seven Dwarves" and I would download it but I'd be keen to pay for it to reward those whose work would have gone to preserving it.
The reality, however, is that most people would quite happily download the current cinema releases if it was quick, free, and good quality. Our problem is how to cope with this without selling our souls and our rights to the MPAA and their like. Pretending that movies would be made for free will not help.
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Frodo *Thinks*:Ohh, ohh, look there's the trolls Uncle Bilbo's told us about for all these years and years...ah, get a grip, don't let the others see you gettig excited...Don't mention it, look cool. Maybe slip my shades on...Heyyy, lookin' good!
The cave troll definitely got screen time
And then some! I thought it might be up for supporting actor against Sir Ian. I've just realised there were two "Sir Ian"s in the film. I wonder if this is a first.
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Well, I own the company so I get to choose! But I'd not turn down a pay-cheque on the basis of having to use the Mac; I wouldn't apply for a job in a Windows shop.
I'm not anti-Mac but I do get tired of this whole anally retentive GUI attitude that the original poster came out with.
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Should all cars be easy to drive? No F1, no Indi500 or dragsters?
The OS that did this first and best was been Windoze.
Actually the one that did this first and best was the Mac. By a long way on both counts.
Free doesn't mean anything if you can't use it
And having a powerful computer means nothing if you have to fight the GUI to get at the clock cycles.
If linux as it is now is going to excel it needs to come preinstalled...
MS will never allow that.
It also needs to see some floor space in CompUSA/Office Max/Circuit City with a price tag that is significantly lower than that of a comprable windows machine
MS will never allow that.
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Yes, and they had a picnic in front of them without anyone even mentioning they were there. Obviously a bit of the scene was cut out for the three hour ad and a little "teaser" of the film left in.
The non-stone trolls were in "The Hobbit", not FotR.
There are trolls in both books.
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FotR was never a real attempt to adapt the book, the editing made it clear that parts had been held back for the DVD (eg, the trolls), while leaving in totally pointless material to pad it out (the long, tedious fight scenes).
What can I say? It worked: this is going to be the biggest grossing crap movie of all time.
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If you select some text and then unselect it, you can't middle button paste.
I can. I've never used a Linux machine where this worked as you suggest.
Open KWord
KDE/KOffice are not the same as QT. I don't have KWord installed here.
Doing what you say works as expected ("selection" gets pasted) in Opera which is a QT app and the wrong way in KHexEdit, so it seems as though the KDE people are interfering in the process and getting it wrong, rather than TrollTech. Since I don't use KDE I was not aware that they'd screwed it up.
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The article is saying that Enterprise users would prefer the "no fixes/changes until someone else feels like it" option over the "we can fix it if we have to but it's a pain" option and it's just not true. Obviously they'd rather have "the vendor fixes it quickly and for free when we ask" but that box is usually greyed out in closed source.
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See here for more info.
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This is the one area that bothers me too. It really hacks me off when I use a GNOME app that doesn't undersand that highlighting=copy and middle button=paste.
But, on the other hand, this shows up the biggest problem with the unified UI: progress dies. The highlight/middle buttion is far better than the menu/keyboard shortcut method used in Gnome and Windows. But UUI fans would not tolerate adding this to an existing system because there would inevitably be a period of half-adoption where some people had it and others did not, leading to brain-haemorrhaging amongst users.
The answer is to produce sensible UI's that work for the task at hand and not to introduce changes on a whim, but don't avoid new things just because you think the users are too stupid to cope.
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I think you'll find that it is, but anyway,
And the general public are the people who really count, not you.
Why? This is a fundimental issue. As Linus has said, if it works for him and other people have things that work for them, who cares? Why do you feel Linux is a failure until it has converted the entire world? Why do the general public matter more than the people actually using Linux now? If they're happy and we're happy then what is your problem?
he was just complimenting OS X as having the best Unix UI and you couldn't even respond on that point.
No, he said that it was the most "successful" desktop and I responded to that. Sorry if I didn't respond to things he didn't say.
People who don't give a crap about the semantics of the word used for folder or directory are not "simpletons".
Again, it was the original poster that brought up the issue, not me. The implication he made was that "directory" was a less intuitive word than "folder". I responded by implying that anyone who did actually find the word "directory" confusing was a simpleton; I did not mean that I believe such people exist other than in the poster's head.
they view computers as tools to accomplish tasks or to obtain entertainment from but not anything more than that.
Try reading my post, that was my point.
if they don't want to take the time to learn the most trivial of computer trivia they must be idiots
I think you're still suffering under the delusion that I brought up the whole folder/directory thing aren't you? I specifically stated that people are not interested in these things.
Can you see how silly you sound yet?
Can you see the importance of actually reading things before mouthing off about them yet?
TWW
Exactly. The problem is that the unified interface approach is exclusive. You simply can not have both a unified interface and choice so if you are in favor of choice and you getting what you want and me getting what I want then you're in trouble. In this case one has to throw one of the options out; I choose to throw out the restrictive one.
If you want restrictive mass-produced, lowest common denominator interfaces that have the very minor virtue of being consistant in their mistakes then go and use one but fuck you if you're going to try to force me to do likewise.
TWW
This is true, that why I use WindowMaker. Yes, WindowMaker for all your desktop needs. The problem with KDE/Gnome is that they are repeating Windows' mistakes in the belief that users can not cope with change when in fact what they really can't cope with is not getting their work done. This error has led them both far down the bloat path.
Star Office is moving away from the "load everything at once" approach but does still have some way to go I'll admit.
But, on Linux you have the choice to use something a little more svelte if you want to.
TWW
By Gad, sir! You stir the emotions! If only we had some music to play. I don't know if a room full of geeks would stand at the sound of "P-P-P-Pick up a P-P-P-Penguin", but I can't think of anything else appropriate.
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The most pathetic thing in the world is a prisoner what spends their time rationalising about how much better off they are than those poor saps that have to pay for rent and food outside.
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Linux has some of the best desktops. I use WindowMaker on every machine and I install it as the default on every machine. Even people new to computers settle into it within a few minutes. It is far better than KDE/GNOME/Windows/MacOSX. I've never edited a single WM config file by hand either.
Unfortunately, they are the absolute worst kind of people you could ever sent to do desktop stuff.
What I think you really mean is that they are too interested in porductivity and not enough in interesting little icons. Well, most secretaries are interested in productivity too and they don't give a shit about GUI theories that spout all kind of ways to "interface with the user": they want a clean simple fast method of telling their computer what they want it to do next.
The reason why MacOS X is currently the most successful unix desktop
Is that it's preinstalled on Macs. Reactions to it are mixed at best but, just like Windows, the users are locked in and frankly Apple isn't interested in whether they like it or not. Jobs made it pretty clear that the desktop was changing and the users could like it and ask for more, please Sir.
They don't have 30 years of anti-newbie, RTFM baggage they've got to get rid of, and no one has a problem saying the word "folder" instead of "directory".
There is a lot less anti-newbie feeling than there is a dislike of being told that useful and productive tools that need some time to master are less important than pandering to simpletons that can't handle difficult words like "directory". Explain again why "folder" makes more sense; particularly the bit where I open a folder and find more folders inside. Which metaphor are we using here?
To get to the point that the mac community is at, linux developers will have to undergo a radical attitude debugging.
Assuming they wanted to get to that point, where their market is shrinking and the hardware they use is grossly overpriced for the performance and there hasn't been a new application of any note for a decade.
Unfortunately, fixing people problems are a hell of a lot harder than fixing technological ones.
How true. It is much harder to get people to try thinking instead of just following the latest pronouncements of the Gates and Jobs of this world. Imagine if people using computers felt they had a chance of arranging their desktop to suit themselves instead of some expert with a joke degree in Human-Computer-Interfaces. Or even, Jobs-forbid! an actual choice in which desktop to use! Jesus Christ! The sky is falling, the users have choice; the unified user interface is under attack!
Basically, to hell with you and to hell with people that want their users to be good little sheep. Linux on the desktop does every work related task I've had for four years now ranging from graphics to web design to large document preparation to programming and if you want to pretend it's not happening it's no skin off my nose. I'm not depending on a financially insecure company with a terrble track record for supporting its users when things get tough.
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Perhaps Britney would think it was in her best interest after Pepsi made it clear that they'd prevent her ever recording another CD again.
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Just a thought.
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What did piss me off was the introduction of the Best Animated Film award. This just gives the jury a reason to ignore animated films when looking at Best Film. Shrek and Monsters Inc were both good enough to be nominated for Best Film but instead are pushed in the ghetto of "specialist" categories.
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You don't have much programming experience, do you? Magic strings are a dire way to do anything. MIME has been around for quite a long time now and was invented as a solution to all the problems of magic strings in messages, the obvious one being how difficult it is to handle a message about the magic strings (Outlook still can't handle these). MIME makes sure that the strings are unique to the message, not the class of attachment.
Data about the message should all be in the header. This is so obious that it is hard to imagine what you think the header of a message is for.
No, using the subject line is not obviously a terrible way to determine filenames, segments, and anything else.
The subject line is for the subject. What the fuck are you smoking? Why not the From line or the X-Envelope line? Because that's not what they're for!
find it very convienent to know exactly what my yEnc files will be saved as, how big they are, and how many parts they are
Your client should tell you that from properly formatted headers; the Subject line is for the subject.
If we expect newsgroups standards to reach everyone, we must use the lowest common denominator.
So, no yEnc then. You are arguing that we can't change anything but that we should embrace any half-arsed new encoding that comes along
Which is exactly what the creators of yEnc intended.
I think you are confused about who the creators of yEnc was; one aim of any new encoding should be reliability.
I don't blame him. Jurgen is a coder, not a politician. I would have done the same thing.
Class-level magic strings belong in the museum along with line numbers in source code; Jurgen isn't much of a coder if he doesn't understand this.
But the point is it works right now, and it's working great.
It sort of works sometimes right now, if the spec had been put in as a MIME type it could have worked well all the time in a few months. As you say, Usenet has waited 6 years so why not a few months extra and get it right?
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What happens when the posting is about yEnc and includes a description of how the encoding starts and ends? Does it know that that's not really an attachment?
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Yes, makes a nice change.
I think that in my example of owning the vhs and then downloading the divx, this is still borderline, since they expect you to buy the dvd if you own the vhs, they don't give it away free, or allow you to copy it...
An argument there is that the DVD is such better quality than the VHS that it's reasonable to ask for more payment. I hate VHS so I'd go along with that myself.
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I was talking about the question of whether downloading is a problem for the film industry now as they claim. It isn't because people (the "I" in my comment) don't generally have the patience to download films. I personally might, given 10xbroadband, download items which I can't get any other way (and, yes, that would often technically be theft) but I would buy such things if I could. As an example, I would be very keen to get a copy of Max Fleischer's version of "Snow White and the Seven Dwarves" and I would download it but I'd be keen to pay for it to reward those whose work would have gone to preserving it.
The reality, however, is that most people would quite happily download the current cinema releases if it was quick, free, and good quality. Our problem is how to cope with this without selling our souls and our rights to the MPAA and their like. Pretending that movies would be made for free will not help.
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