There is copyright fee necessarily. You don't even have to submit something for copyright.
You just make something up, it has a copyright attached. Go record something on tape, play it back to make sure it exists, and there bam, it's copywritten.
pirated/illegal copy (whatever THAT means
What do you mean? Are you seriously saying you don't know the difference between legit software you are entitled to use, and software that you downloaded and/or cracked from various backchannel methods?
The domain name is not your IP, the trademark is your IP.
The domain name is still a reference. For example, an index of websites (aka Google) can still copy it, and display it legally which is a provision designed to allow people who index trademark protected names to do so.
The domain name is just that. The name of a domain - a part of the Internet. If it *happens* to co-incide with your real world tradmark, that's one thing.
No, actually not. Otherwise you wouldn't be posting anything. Speechless would be a thread like "Linus found dead on Microsoft campus", with zero comments attached for days on end.
Yes, well, that'd be great, except if you've ever seen Mavis Beacon, it's a program that doesn't appreciate Windows being the OS and it being the application.
Quite really, I am sure that it uses admin-only hooks to grab keyboard access before Windows has a full chance to handle it. Get a demo sometime, and you can how the app breaks Windows conventions all over the place.
Will someone tell the reason why on G-d's Green Earth that a typing tutor requires Admin?
Sometimes you need it for something you never envisioned, and it really sucks.
I can definately see, actually, Mavis Beacon requiring some type of low access to the keyboard to incept key strokes before they get processed by Windows.
One thing that.NET is doing for developers of MS products is get this type of thinking (LUA) and all that into the common thinking. Many people run.NET apps in a restricted environment, and this really helps you to get thinking about portability, compatibility, and best practices. I used to admin a large network and no one was able to run elevated privelages for more than a few minutes at a time. Everyone - me included - ran as user. It wasn't all that hard, either. Just took some training.
All we need is some decent lighting for the proper time, and it's all better. No problem.
Man, this is bad, but I look at how different my nieces are compared to how I was raised.. makes me wonder. On the weekend, when I was *young*, my brothers and I'd go run about the neighborhood until dark. My mother never worried - "They'll come home when they are hungry". We were what, 6, 8 and 10? Now, my nieces have play dates, schedules, and planned time 24/7 from when they are born till I have no idea when.
Wow are you living inside of a box. There are hundreds of billing systems that are unix based. In my 30 years in this industry I have seen unix based billing systems used in just about every industry from the medical profession to used car sales. I shudder to think of it now but until about 5 years ago SCO had a significantly higher market share than MS in the medical billing field, I would see about 5 SCO shops to every windows shop. Dont use one example as an example of an entire industry, if someone came up with a linux solution that was cheaper to implement, 90% of these people would abandon windows without ever looking back. All they want is a single input screen and a few function keys to do their jobs.
Wow. I think you may be out of touch. Sorry to say, but you are just wrong. Depending on your state, you probably dont have an alternative if you are a doctors office. Your state probably as a certification process, and you can get a list of what packages are allowed to be used with the state billing system.
I got news for you.. even now, there are kids walking to school in the dark.
Growing up living in Maine will certainly let you know what that's like. A little bit of snow and all the sudden it's still pitch black out at 8am in the dead of winter.
Just this winter there were about 3 weeks when it was dark driving into work and driving home. Completely dark, all the time I was not at work.
Oh really? Cause that is a complete bull-shit statement.
No, actually it's not. If you think "we run a huge trade deficit pretty much always." is bullshit you have a comprehension problem. Read the sentence again, and re-forumalate your argument. We, *present tense run*, a huge trade deficit, pretty much, always. It means, for the most part, we run a huge trade deficit. Most of the time, we run a huge trade deficit. In general, we run a trade deficit. Which is, of course true. Has it *been* *always* true? No. I never claimed elsewise.
Sure, the Canadian border.
I've got news for you. That's not shutting the border. That's enforcing immigration and migration law, and tighenting down on crossing convienence.
I am talking about the fact that Bush has done nothing to stop the 1 million or more illegals coming north each year. Shutting the borders means shutting down the borders, putting the military on the border, and shooting anything that moves across it. Most countries - even European countries- have more strict border controls than we have in the US. I am not arguing for it one way or another, but it is fact. We have very loose border controls. We are not shutting down the borders in any real way. We made more people get visas, allow fewer student visas, and that's about it. It's a matter of convience, and not of substantive policy change. America, unlike some nations, is an open border country, and that hasn't changed much at all in the last 30 years.
Prescott Bush?
No. Why is every conversation always an opportunity for some people to bash GW Bush? Like I made some type of statement that was hugely pro-Bush? The original poster is completely wrong, and it has nothing to do with politics or Bush or anti-Bush hatred or anything.
The fact is and remains that nations do not stop doing business with other nations over politics or policies. We could bomb China tomorrow and they'd still be selling us TVs and cars by next week. Money is money. As long as we have something other people want - ie money - they will sell to us. International trade is not largely effected by policies.
Hence the story about France and Germany. They were, as far as nations go, the closest of economic allies. Big time trading going on. Lots of economic interaction. Nazi Germany was actively planning an invasion of France and the rest of Europe while at the same time trading heavily with them. Trade is mostly uninfluenced by politics.
The original post claimed that other countries are going to stop trading with us over our politics, which is utter BS. They'll stop trading with us because our money won't be worth anything.
I am well aware of money theory and the effects you describe. Thanks!
1. Advertise low-cost insurance with "no health-check up" and no maximum age, except maybe, 110 or some such silly age...
2. In fine print, require the holder pay 3 years of premiums before a payout will occur at death.
3. When insured kicks it, you pay nothing, and get whatever premiums they did pay first.
Basically, it's a race against the clock. Will the person you sign up die before they are eligble for benefits? Your goal is to find the sickest people possible, and get them buy your insurance, and then hope they manage to hold on for about 1 month less than when you have to pay out.
Countries don't refuse to do business with other countries because they don't like them much. Money is money, and America is now and will always be a huge market. We import everything, and export cash. It's a fact: we run a huge trade deficit pretty much always.
Additionally, the Bush administration is not trying to shut the borders. The borders are completely porous in virtually every way. More than a million illegals came across the border last year.
Pop-quiz: who was Germany's top trading partner in 1938?
France.
Ahh, no. It's a new feature in Windows. Anyone can play with it. I have written my own software that hooks into the new features. Simply saying to vendors that you will need to update your app like anyone else after a major OS upgrade is not all that suprisinging, unless you are an idiot.
Dentists offices are often a cash only business, as are some smaller doctors offices. In those cases, you need only a basic accounting package to handle the work. Throw in a paper scheduling book, and it's easy.
Virtually 100% of specialist offices with more than one doctor have some type of scheduling and billing package because it's much to complicated to handle without one. Thirty years ago there would have been a secretary for each doctor to handle his schedule.
Now, with all the various regulations on medical billing, it's very expensive to get your package up and ready for market. I just looked over one states software list of approved vendors who can submit electronic claims to state medicaid, and there isn't a single one that runs on Mac or Linux. There is one *nixish one that runs on a proprietary flavor (AIX) and another that runs on a unixish closed OS called MAGIC, but otherwise, it is a completely Windows world.
The music industry would be a shadow of itself right now if Napster had not have been shutdown. Maybe 10%. If they never lifted a finger to stop Napster, there would be no appreciable music industry right now.
Do you deny that? Unrestricted exact digital copies transferred at high speed to anyone who wants one will end the music industry, and end it all very quickly. Do you disagree?
My experience is that it's exactly the same ballpark.
I have two clients that I installed at similiar times (1999).
One client was an always strong MS shop, and got a new Windows 2000 server, and workstations. Another client got a RedHat 5.2 release against the whole network. Windows 2000 is still very much supported. RedHat 5.2 is literally, what, like 5 major versions back. It has been a huge pain for me to maintain. For a while I compiled my own updates for them. Then, I worked up upgrading them to a new version of RedHat. Then RedHat discontinued their whole line, and I can either buy a distro or use Fedora. Meanwhile MS has a roadmap, laid out, that details when things will change. Still getting updates for the same product. Still chugging along without a single app being "force" upgraded. Office 2000 + Win2k. It's a fine solution. They are looking for faster machines with more storage space and bigger monitors, better connections (FireWire, USB 2.0, etc) pretty quick , and they'll get them plus the latest software from MS. And everything will be fine.
I lost the RedHat client and they went to someone who provided them with a Solaris based network with Sparc stations.
My point is unless you are prepared to get personally into the source code you can't plan on any specific package being supported once it's not trendy anymore. The name brandpackages - the kernel, X, php, mysql, apache - sure they'll probably always be supported by someone somewhere for free. Great. But the thousands of little niche packages - they die off all the time, and are replaced. If you build your company website from a FOSS CMS package, a in a few years you may have to move it to a new one because the current one died and you dont have the time or skill to maintain it and upgrade it on your own. If you selected a proprietary package, you could be in the same boat if the company went tits up or discontinued the product. This could absolutely happen.
I don't dispute that FOSS gives you a leg up in this regard. It is better than proprietary, but not enough to make any FOSS package a better deal automatically than a comparable proprietary package. The nature of FOSS is something to put in the "benefits" category, but not necessarily something that is an automatic deal-closer.
If you are a hardcore system program, or can hack these packages, or have staff to handle it, great. Go for it. Go all to the nines. But, for (1) individuals that are not terribly geeky and (2) small businesses up to medium sized businesses, the case becomes much more muddled. It's automatically a better deal to go FOSS.
Which is fine for a PROGRAMMER. But for an end-user, there is not effective difference. If I rely on something in the 2.0 kernel series, and it goes defunct and I can't upgrade to a new kernel because it will break other packages which are not maintained, I am locked in with no place to go that's not going to be hard to deal with.
The fact that there exists a person - not me - who could fix things for me is useless - USELESS - for ME. What good does that do me? I can track that person down and hire them. Great. For most cases thats useless. I can track that person down and beg them to help me for free. Again, great.
Exchange, import. Not the other way around. And also export. I've gone into Exchange, I've gone out of Exchange, not a big deal.
With OSS you always have the choice to do something about it yourself.
No, maybe YOU have the choice do it YOURself, but I will never have that choice. I will never be able to work deeply in the internals of a major package. It will ~never~ be possible. I am not skilled enough. And, despite what most people will tell you, 99% of programmers out there aren't either - especially on system projects.
People disagree that you can get locked into OSS. I am saying it happens *all the time*. If I am going to get locked into something, I'd much rather it be something that is at least user friendly, documentated, supported, etc. That's just me. Others can decide for themselves. But denying it happens is a joke!
I am happy for France, but unfortuantely, in the united states for example, virtually 100% of all major billing packages are designed heavily for Windows.
There will never be a change until Mac has..
DEVELOPERS.. DEVELOPERS... DEVELOPERS...
Mock Ballmer all you want, but he knows why Windows is used...
So for people who are stuck using specific windows software, sure, you're going to have issues. But for pretty much everything besides games and CAD, there's really nothing that you can't do on OS X.
No, no, no.
Most business users who use Windows do so because they have one or two vertical market apps that require Windows. PERIOD.
These are places like doctors offices, lawyers offices, misc. professionals, trucking dispatch offices, printing companies, all those thousands of businesses which uses millions of PCs.
They shop for an entire system - server, workstations, printers - etc. My wife works with such a company. A quote from them covers everything you need - all the software, servers, hardware, printers, all of it - and gives you one bottom line price. And they get Windows!
This is how Windows is sold. Everytime this company makes a sale, Microsoft makes 100. The app in question integrates with Office, Small Business Server, Exchange, and SQL Server. The product they sell is not a piece of software, it is an integrated package to solve a real world problem.
There is no equivalent for this in the Mac, Linux, or alternative platform world.
Yes, it's a major update. Yes, anti-virus and firewall vendors probably need to update their apps to integrate with XP SP2 management features. Otherwise you get a ballon telling you no firewall is installed.
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There is copyright fee necessarily. You don't even have to submit something for copyright.
You just make something up, it has a copyright attached. Go record something on tape, play it back to make sure it exists, and there bam, it's copywritten.
It's easy!
pirated/illegal copy (whatever THAT means
What do you mean? Are you seriously saying you don't know the difference between legit software you are entitled to use, and software that you downloaded and/or cracked from various backchannel methods?
Are you for real?
The domain name is not your IP, the trademark is your IP.
The domain name is still a reference. For example, an index of websites (aka Google) can still copy it, and display it legally which is a provision designed to allow people who index trademark protected names to do so.
The domain name is just that. The name of a domain - a part of the Internet. If it *happens* to co-incide with your real world tradmark, that's one thing.
Your domain is not your IP, first of all. It is not your intellectual property, it's a name. A pointer. That's all.
What you have a good case for is a theft by noncompliance, or possibly some other form of theft.
However, your local DA isn't going to be very useful to you.
No, actually not. Otherwise you wouldn't be posting anything. Speechless would be a thread like "Linus found dead on Microsoft campus", with zero comments attached for days on end.
Same race?
Can find me some documentation on this?? I found none that was current or smelled accurate.
I'd be very interested in some proof of your claim.
Yes, well, that'd be great, except if you've ever seen Mavis Beacon, it's a program that doesn't appreciate Windows being the OS and it being the application.
Quite really, I am sure that it uses admin-only hooks to grab keyboard access before Windows has a full chance to handle it. Get a demo sometime, and you can how the app breaks Windows conventions all over the place.
Will someone tell the reason why on G-d's Green Earth that a typing tutor requires Admin?
.NET is doing for developers of MS products is get this type of thinking (LUA) and all that into the common thinking. Many people run .NET apps in a restricted environment, and this really helps you to get thinking about portability, compatibility, and best practices. I used to admin a large network and no one was able to run elevated privelages for more than a few minutes at a time. Everyone - me included - ran as user. It wasn't all that hard, either. Just took some training.
Sometimes you need it for something you never envisioned, and it really sucks.
I can definately see, actually, Mavis Beacon requiring some type of low access to the keyboard to incept key strokes before they get processed by Windows.
One thing that
I know, doesn't it seem silly?
All we need is some decent lighting for the proper time, and it's all better. No problem.
Man, this is bad, but I look at how different my nieces are compared to how I was raised.. makes me wonder. On the weekend, when I was *young*, my brothers and I'd go run about the neighborhood until dark. My mother never worried - "They'll come home when they are hungry". We were what, 6, 8 and 10? Now, my nieces have play dates, schedules, and planned time 24/7 from when they are born till I have no idea when.
Wow are you living inside of a box. There are hundreds of billing systems that are unix based. In my 30 years in this industry I have seen unix based billing systems used in just about every industry from the medical profession to used car sales. I shudder to think of it now but until about 5 years ago SCO had a significantly higher market share than MS in the medical billing field, I would see about 5 SCO shops to every windows shop. Dont use one example as an example of an entire industry, if someone came up with a linux solution that was cheaper to implement, 90% of these people would abandon windows without ever looking back. All they want is a single input screen and a few function keys to do their jobs.
Wow. I think you may be out of touch. Sorry to say, but you are just wrong. Depending on your state, you probably dont have an alternative if you are a doctors office. Your state probably as a certification process, and you can get a list of what packages are allowed to be used with the state billing system.
I got news for you.. even now, there are kids walking to school in the dark.
Growing up living in Maine will certainly let you know what that's like. A little bit of snow and all the sudden it's still pitch black out at 8am in the dead of winter.
Just this winter there were about 3 weeks when it was dark driving into work and driving home. Completely dark, all the time I was not at work.
Oh really? Cause that is a complete bull-shit statement.
No, actually it's not. If you think "we run a huge trade deficit pretty much always." is bullshit you have a comprehension problem. Read the sentence again, and re-forumalate your argument. We, *present tense run*, a huge trade deficit, pretty much, always. It means, for the most part, we run a huge trade deficit. Most of the time, we run a huge trade deficit. In general, we run a trade deficit. Which is, of course true. Has it *been* *always* true? No. I never claimed elsewise.
Sure, the Canadian border.
I've got news for you. That's not shutting the border. That's enforcing immigration and migration law, and tighenting down on crossing convienence.
I am talking about the fact that Bush has done nothing to stop the 1 million or more illegals coming north each year. Shutting the borders means shutting down the borders, putting the military on the border, and shooting anything that moves across it. Most countries - even European countries- have more strict border controls than we have in the US. I am not arguing for it one way or another, but it is fact. We have very loose border controls. We are not shutting down the borders in any real way. We made more people get visas, allow fewer student visas, and that's about it. It's a matter of convience, and not of substantive policy change. America, unlike some nations, is an open border country, and that hasn't changed much at all in the last 30 years.
Prescott Bush?
No. Why is every conversation always an opportunity for some people to bash GW Bush? Like I made some type of statement that was hugely pro-Bush? The original poster is completely wrong, and it has nothing to do with politics or Bush or anti-Bush hatred or anything.
The fact is and remains that nations do not stop doing business with other nations over politics or policies. We could bomb China tomorrow and they'd still be selling us TVs and cars by next week. Money is money. As long as we have something other people want - ie money - they will sell to us. International trade is not largely effected by policies.
Hence the story about France and Germany. They were, as far as nations go, the closest of economic allies. Big time trading going on. Lots of economic interaction. Nazi Germany was actively planning an invasion of France and the rest of Europe while at the same time trading heavily with them. Trade is mostly uninfluenced by politics.
I didn't say anything about anything being good!
The original post claimed that other countries are going to stop trading with us over our politics, which is utter BS. They'll stop trading with us because our money won't be worth anything.
I am well aware of money theory and the effects you describe. Thanks!
It's actually a common scam:
1. Advertise low-cost insurance with "no health-check up" and no maximum age, except maybe, 110 or some such silly age...
2. In fine print, require the holder pay 3 years of premiums before a payout will occur at death.
3. When insured kicks it, you pay nothing, and get whatever premiums they did pay first.
Basically, it's a race against the clock. Will the person you sign up die before they are eligble for benefits? Your goal is to find the sickest people possible, and get them buy your insurance, and then hope they manage to hold on for about 1 month less than when you have to pay out.
Countries don't refuse to do business with other countries because they don't like them much. Money is money, and America is now and will always be a huge market. We import everything, and export cash. It's a fact: we run a huge trade deficit pretty much always.
Additionally, the Bush administration is not trying to shut the borders. The borders are completely porous in virtually every way. More than a million illegals came across the border last year.
Pop-quiz: who was Germany's top trading partner in 1938?
France.
Ahh, no. It's a new feature in Windows. Anyone can play with it. I have written my own software that hooks into the new features. Simply saying to vendors that you will need to update your app like anyone else after a major OS upgrade is not all that suprisinging, unless you are an idiot.
Dentists offices are often a cash only business, as are some smaller doctors offices. In those cases, you need only a basic accounting package to handle the work. Throw in a paper scheduling book, and it's easy.
Virtually 100% of specialist offices with more than one doctor have some type of scheduling and billing package because it's much to complicated to handle without one. Thirty years ago there would have been a secretary for each doctor to handle his schedule.
Now, with all the various regulations on medical billing, it's very expensive to get your package up and ready for market. I just looked over one states software list of approved vendors who can submit electronic claims to state medicaid, and there isn't a single one that runs on Mac or Linux. There is one *nixish one that runs on a proprietary flavor (AIX) and another that runs on a unixish closed OS called MAGIC, but otherwise, it is a completely Windows world.
Let's all be real here, for a second.
The music industry would be a shadow of itself right now if Napster had not have been shutdown. Maybe 10%. If they never lifted a finger to stop Napster, there would be no appreciable music industry right now.
Do you deny that? Unrestricted exact digital copies transferred at high speed to anyone who wants one will end the music industry, and end it all very quickly. Do you disagree?
My experience is that it's exactly the same ballpark.
I have two clients that I installed at similiar times (1999).
One client was an always strong MS shop, and got a new Windows 2000 server, and workstations. Another client got a RedHat 5.2 release against the whole network. Windows 2000 is still very much supported. RedHat 5.2 is literally, what, like 5 major versions back. It has been a huge pain for me to maintain. For a while I compiled my own updates for them. Then, I worked up upgrading them to a new version of RedHat. Then RedHat discontinued their whole line, and I can either buy a distro or use Fedora. Meanwhile MS has a roadmap, laid out, that details when things will change. Still getting updates for the same product. Still chugging along without a single app being "force" upgraded. Office 2000 + Win2k. It's a fine solution. They are looking for faster machines with more storage space and bigger monitors, better connections (FireWire, USB 2.0, etc) pretty quick , and they'll get them plus the latest software from MS. And everything will be fine.
I lost the RedHat client and they went to someone who provided them with a Solaris based network with Sparc stations.
My point is unless you are prepared to get personally into the source code you can't plan on any specific package being supported once it's not trendy anymore. The name brandpackages - the kernel, X, php, mysql, apache - sure they'll probably always be supported by someone somewhere for free. Great. But the thousands of little niche packages - they die off all the time, and are replaced. If you build your company website from a FOSS CMS package, a in a few years you may have to move it to a new one because the current one died and you dont have the time or skill to maintain it and upgrade it on your own. If you selected a proprietary package, you could be in the same boat if the company went tits up or discontinued the product. This could absolutely happen.
I don't dispute that FOSS gives you a leg up in this regard. It is better than proprietary, but not enough to make any FOSS package a better deal automatically than a comparable proprietary package. The nature of FOSS is something to put in the "benefits" category, but not necessarily something that is an automatic deal-closer.
If you are a hardcore system program, or can hack these packages, or have staff to handle it, great. Go for it. Go all to the nines. But, for (1) individuals that are not terribly geeky and (2) small businesses up to medium sized businesses, the case becomes much more muddled. It's automatically a better deal to go FOSS.
Which is fine for a PROGRAMMER. But for an end-user, there is not effective difference. If I rely on something in the 2.0 kernel series, and it goes defunct and I can't upgrade to a new kernel because it will break other packages which are not maintained, I am locked in with no place to go that's not going to be hard to deal with.
The fact that there exists a person - not me - who could fix things for me is useless - USELESS - for ME. What good does that do me? I can track that person down and hire them. Great. For most cases thats useless. I can track that person down and beg them to help me for free. Again, great.
Exchange, import. Not the other way around. And also export. I've gone into Exchange, I've gone out of Exchange, not a big deal.
With OSS you always have the choice to do something about it yourself.
No, maybe YOU have the choice do it YOURself, but I will never have that choice. I will never be able to work deeply in the internals of a major package. It will ~never~ be possible. I am not skilled enough. And, despite what most people will tell you, 99% of programmers out there aren't either - especially on system projects.
People disagree that you can get locked into OSS. I am saying it happens *all the time*. If I am going to get locked into something, I'd much rather it be something that is at least user friendly, documentated, supported, etc. That's just me. Others can decide for themselves. But denying it happens is a joke!
I am happy for France, but unfortuantely, in the united states for example, virtually 100% of all major billing packages are designed heavily for Windows.
There will never be a change until Mac has..
DEVELOPERS.. DEVELOPERS... DEVELOPERS...
Mock Ballmer all you want, but he knows why Windows is used...
So for people who are stuck using specific windows software, sure, you're going to have issues. But for pretty much everything besides games and CAD, there's really nothing that you can't do on OS X.
No, no, no.
Most business users who use Windows do so because they have one or two vertical market apps that require Windows. PERIOD.
These are places like doctors offices, lawyers offices, misc. professionals, trucking dispatch offices, printing companies, all those thousands of businesses which uses millions of PCs.
They shop for an entire system - server, workstations, printers - etc. My wife works with such a company. A quote from them covers everything you need - all the software, servers, hardware, printers, all of it - and gives you one bottom line price. And they get Windows!
This is how Windows is sold. Everytime this company makes a sale, Microsoft makes 100. The app in question integrates with Office, Small Business Server, Exchange, and SQL Server. The product they sell is not a piece of software, it is an integrated package to solve a real world problem.
There is no equivalent for this in the Mac, Linux, or alternative platform world.
What at troll...
Yes, it's a major update. Yes, anti-virus and firewall vendors probably need to update their apps to integrate with XP SP2 management features. Otherwise you get a ballon telling you no firewall is installed.
BIG DEAL.
Actually, I have. I migrated a 2,000 user Notes installation to Exchange in 4 hours. No big deal at all. What was your problem?