This is what happens when liberals and dirty hippies put their hands in an OS. They expect everything for free. BSD developers are proud people, and like to see their software used in various situations. Usually, like in the cases of certain vendors (ie. Apple) the code IS contributed back, developers familiar with the code are given jobs, etc. The BSDs have a much more libertarian bent to software, and it shows in the quality. It DOES benefit us. It just doesn't benefit YOU.
Actually, I'm not so sure about that, it actually allows for IBM, etc. to keep more of its own intellectual property, without ever having to release it.
IBM is an IP firm, owning thier own IP is attractive to them.
I'd agree, I'd put Bujold into mid-era Sci-Fi, not as classic as Heinlein, Asimov, and Bradbury, but newer, and in many ways, a pioneer. How many sci-fi heroes are disabled? The Vorkosigan books are wonderful, and the hero is a very intelligent disabled man, who manages to overcome his disability, both in hard work *and* through technology.
My favorites these days are Weber (for the Harrington books), and Bujold (for Vorkosigan books). IMO they're new classics and must reads.
The other side is the fantasy built on semi-sci-fi, The Shannara books are typical fantasy, but we get to see the technological aspects of the world that destroyed itself before in some of the enemies and monsters in the book. Its somewhat interesting, even if they did get old after 9 books....
There are very few things that make OpenBSD unique from other BSD OS's... security features like "IPSEC" are available in FreeBSD, NetBSD, and others as well. That certainly is not unique to OpenBSD. Cryptography is just as much a focus in FreeBSD development as it is for OpenBSD.
I don't feel that OpenBSD's status for being the "most secure OS" is anything but general FUD, and I have news for you all, before you call me bigoted towards FreeBSD.... I rely on OpenBSD for fully half of what I do. I have several internet connected OpenBSD boxes. An OS is only as secure as the person adminning it is clueful.
Yes, they imported the IP stack implementation from BSD, therefore promoting the countersuit that caused the whole thing to be resolved. USL didn't want to lose the IP stack (as what was becoming known as "The Internet" was being built on it), and Ray Noorda from Novell can be looked at as the "good guy" in all this. Sometimes during the battle Novell bought USL and Ray Noorda handed down an edict telling them to settle.
Uhh guys, this has all happened before, think USL vs CSRG/UCB. IN fact I think some of the aim here is to smear Linux's good name like it did with BSD. But honestly I think the momentum and the current players make that a fool's gambit.
David Weber's Honor Series is one of the few that I sit and wait with excitement for every book. Think of it as Star Trek meets CS Forester's Horatio Hornblower.
The intrigue, military detail, politics, characterization, and the development of all the plots within plots makes it one of my favorite book series ever.
Is this any different than how things were originally? In building "the Matrix" (some person's idea of a cool name for a datacenter installation for Andover at Exodus Boston 2), we were rushed and had similar issues. I had hoped things had changed, I wish you and Yazz lots of luck out on the left coast.
Me, I'm just happy to be doing what I'm doing.
no more stress of OSDN, just stress of a newborn child:)
Well, I remember the days when people thought we'd all remain unmarried to others, and married to our computers. Lemme see, Jeff got married, You are engaged, I'm engaged, who's next? Yazz? Timothy? The World is coming to an end!!
Seriously dude, congrats, I would have emailed you, but I figured you're getting enough email. I assume with this proposal that life is well for you:)
Not to mention the fact that FreeBSD's POSIX ACL support has been worked on for a while now, TrustedBSD, the work is largely being done by FreeBSD core team member Robert Watson.
While audits are important, these features will go a long way, and we'll have them very soon in FreeBSD 5.0
Yeah, I've had my issues with Theo, but we've both mellowed out over a few years time. at once point I got kicked off #openbsd because of some lack of donation fundage or something....
However last summer at USENIX, I had an interesting conversation with him, and at the bottom of it, he's intelligent, civil, insightful, and slightly moody. Gee, like every single one of the "hacker geniuses" I know.
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This is what happens when liberals and dirty hippies put their hands in an OS. They expect everything for free. BSD developers are proud people, and like to see their software used in various situations. Usually, like in the cases of certain vendors (ie. Apple) the code IS contributed back, developers familiar with the code are given jobs, etc. The BSDs have a much more libertarian bent to software, and it shows in the quality. It DOES benefit us. It just doesn't benefit YOU.
-T (aka BSD-Pat)
Actually, I'm not so sure about that, it actually allows for IBM, etc. to keep more of its own intellectual property, without ever having to release it.
IBM is an IP firm, owning thier own IP is attractive to them.
I'd agree, I'd put Bujold into mid-era Sci-Fi, not as classic as Heinlein, Asimov, and Bradbury, but newer, and in many ways, a pioneer. How many sci-fi heroes are disabled? The Vorkosigan books are wonderful, and the hero is a very intelligent disabled man, who manages to overcome his disability, both in hard work *and* through technology.
My favorites these days are Weber (for the Harrington books), and Bujold (for Vorkosigan books). IMO they're new classics and must reads.
The other side is the fantasy built on semi-sci-fi, The Shannara books are typical fantasy, but we get to see the technological aspects of the world that destroyed itself before in some of the enemies and monsters in the book. Its somewhat interesting, even if they did get old after 9 books....
There are very few things that make OpenBSD unique from other BSD OS's... security features like "IPSEC" are available in FreeBSD, NetBSD, and others as well. That certainly is not unique to OpenBSD. Cryptography is just as much a focus in FreeBSD development as it is for OpenBSD.
I don't feel that OpenBSD's status for being the "most secure OS" is anything but general FUD, and I have news for you all, before you call me bigoted towards FreeBSD.... I rely on OpenBSD for fully half of what I do. I have several internet connected OpenBSD boxes. An OS is only as secure as the person adminning it is clueful.
Yes, they imported the IP stack implementation from BSD, therefore promoting the countersuit that caused the whole thing to be resolved. USL didn't want to lose the IP stack (as what was becoming known as "The Internet" was being built on it), and Ray Noorda from Novell can be looked at as the "good guy" in all this. Sometimes during the battle Novell bought USL and Ray Noorda handed down an edict telling them to settle.
Kirk McKusick has a lot to say about this is in the section "Twenty Years of Berkeley UNIX, From AT&T Owned to Freely Redistributable" in Chris DiBona's Compilation Open Sources.
Uhh guys, this has all happened before, think USL vs CSRG/UCB. IN fact I think some of the aim here is to smear Linux's good name like it did with BSD. But honestly I think the momentum and the current players make that a fool's gambit.
;)
Meanwhile, when is SCO gonna go after BSD?
David Weber's Honor Series is one of the few that I sit and wait with excitement for every book. Think of it as Star Trek meets CS Forester's Horatio Hornblower.
The intrigue, military detail, politics, characterization, and the development of all the plots within plots makes it one of my favorite book series ever.
Is this any different than how things were originally? In building "the Matrix" (some person's idea of a cool name for a datacenter installation for Andover at Exodus Boston 2), we were rushed and had similar issues. I had hoped things had changed, I wish you and Yazz lots of luck out on the left coast.
:)
Me, I'm just happy to be doing what I'm doing.
no more stress of OSDN, just stress of a newborn child
-Trish
Anyone who thinks they can secure thier box by getting a binary patch from this joker is inviting a nice backdoor/trojan.
Calmly proceed to nearest mirror, FreeBSD users, calmly wait for nectar to import it, other OS's wait for packages, or for itto be imported.
Rushing out in panic is not helping you.
Time to learn how to use cvsup
/usr/src
then cd
make buildworld
make buildkernel
make installkernel
reboot
make installworld
mergemaster
then optional: reboot again
:)
Well, I remember the days when people thought we'd all remain unmarried to others, and married to our computers. Lemme see, Jeff got married, You are engaged, I'm engaged, who's next? Yazz? Timothy? The World is coming to an end!!
:)
Seriously dude, congrats, I would have emailed you, but I figured you're getting enough email. I assume with this proposal that life is well for you
Have good one. and Congratulations again!
-Trish
While audits are important, these features will go a long way, and we'll have them very soon in FreeBSD 5.0
Yeah, I've had my issues with Theo, but we've both mellowed out over a few years time. at once point I got kicked off #openbsd because of some lack of donation fundage or something....
However last summer at USENIX, I had an interesting conversation with him, and at the bottom of it, he's intelligent, civil, insightful, and slightly moody. Gee, like every single one of the "hacker geniuses" I know.
Let the guy do his job. He does it pretty well.