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  1. Re:do it right or don't do it at all on The Death of the Greenphone · · Score: 1

    On an embedded device, you aren't going to want more than one toolkit, because there isn't enough space.
    and by the way, it's spelled 'Trolltech'.

    So, you are saying the Motorola's Linux phones are lackluster commercially. Actually, their Linux phones are some of the most popular they sell.

  2. Re:Odd on The Death of the Greenphone · · Score: 1

    Trolltech is not stopping developing the Greenphone, nor stopping developing Qtopia.

  3. Re:KDE fanboys on Trolltech GPLs Qtopia Phone Edition · · Score: 1

    ok, just what are the technical and legal problems with Qt? You surely must have a problem with the GPL.

  4. Re:Qtopia is ALMOST there on the Neo on Trolltech GPLs Qtopia Phone Edition · · Score: 1

    Qtopia does not assume there is a keypad, nor was Qtopia originally developed for the Greenphone.

    To get the numbers, sybmpls or caps in the keyboard, slide your finger up or down on the right or left hand edge of the software keyboard.

  5. Re:That's Great... on Trolltech Qtopia Greenphone and SDK Review · · Score: 1

    Why would you want to do that? OpenMoko can't even make phone calls yet! The FIC Neo is currently not even available, either. Until last month, it was only photoshop mockups.

    Qtopia is a much more mature and stable platform, having been developed for the last _7_ years. Besides, Qt is a much better API to develop with, as well as being C++ which is much more suitable for GUI's as it is object oriented, much like the GUI itself.

    Qtopia is also GPL, which ensures your code is not going to be hijacked by some company looking to profit from your hard work. LGPL is not about free software.

  6. Re:Not open enough for me on Trolltech Qtopia Greenphone and SDK Review · · Score: 1

    Actually, the FIC neo's baseband processor and GSM is just as closed as the Greenphone. There are regulations for mobiles phones...

  7. Re:But is it a good phone? on Trolltech Qtopia Greenphone and SDK Review · · Score: 1

    You haven't updated the flash image, obviously. We get 3 days standby. But again, this is a development platform, a reference board that developers can carry around with them and use. We have had no trouble with disconnections.

  8. Re:Stop! Don't use Trolltech's non-free telephony on OpenMoko Schedule Announced · · Score: 1

    No, because OpenMoko is, I am sure, largely LGPL, which isn't about free software at all, as I have explained.

    You do not have to abandon any GPL purity with Qtopia, someone just needs to write some GPL telephony libraries. This is what open source is all about. Someone had to write telephony for OpenMoko, so it is no different in this aspect. Nothing is stopping anyone from taking Qtopia and writing a _free_ telephony stack.

    The difference is in the licensing, which as I said before, LGPL is not about free and open source software at all. The effect of writing LGPL code on free software is very detrimental to the very ideals and foundation of freedom in software, which is why even RMS asks you not to write code with it! Which is my whole point. Not that Trolltech is making someone else write a telephony stack.

    One of the better things about Qtopia is that it's package management system is inherently more secure. The normal ipkg running on pda's and OpenMoko allows for _any_ script to be run at install time, allows overwriting of system files and unpacks to the root directory.

  9. Re:First open source mobile? I think not. on OpenMoko Schedule Announced · · Score: 1

    OpenMoko is not the phone, it is the interface on the phone. That would be like calling your desktop machine "A Windows", or "a Linux".

    FIC1973 is the phone. OpenMoko is supposedly freely available when they release it, which makes OpenMoko exactly the same price as Qtopia - free.

  10. Re:First open source mobile? I think not. on OpenMoko Schedule Announced · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Greenphone is not a consumer mobile phone, it is a reference board made in very limited quantities. It is a device for developers. It comes with a well thought out SDK based on Qt and Qtopia (both very well tested and mature), which makes creating new applications almost trivial.

    $700 is not unheard of in the mobile phone world, anyway

  11. Stop! Don't use LGPL software! on OpenMoko Schedule Announced · · Score: 1

    LGPL software is not about free and open source software, its really about proprietary software! Companies want you to think that using LGPL software like GTK+ makes them open source, but it isn't true. They don't give back to the community! The Lessor GPL allows companies to build proprietary software and to rip you off! Which do you want more of? Free and open source software? or commercial, proprietary software? If you are really for free and open source software, you would use only GPL software like Qtopia! LGPL is not about free and open source software!

  12. Re:First open source mobile? I think not. on OpenMoko Schedule Announced · · Score: 2, Informative

    I think you missed the community version which is $695. This comes with an SDK and uses a mature and well tested gui environment.

  13. Re:First open source mobile? I think not. on OpenMoko Schedule Announced · · Score: 1

    Perhaps some people don't understand that paying for free means it is free. The Greenphone SDK is available for a free download.
    *cough*.

  14. Re:Mod company down on Trolltech Going Public · · Score: 1
    ermm.. Canopy divested about a year ago. http://kdemyths.urbanlizard.com/myth/60

    Canopy invested in Trolltech before Caldera turned into SCO.

  15. Re:NO NATIVE application support!!! on Motorola's New Open Source Resource · · Score: 3, Informative
    No, the problem is with the phone operators/carrers. They are extremely paranoid.
    As an example, from this article Device Profile: Grundig Dreamphone G500i
    "The carriers are afraid of what kind of software might be connected to the network if users could run their own "hacked" Linux OSes. For example, think of an application sending millions of SMS messages per second. They expect from us a certain level of security."

    This also includes 3rd party software. Currently, Java applications are king, because they are sandboxed, and do not have full access to the device. With SXE, native applications are sandboxed as well as some other security restrictions that are in place, to restrict access to the device/network.

  16. Re:NO NATIVE application support!!! on Motorola's New Open Source Resource · · Score: 4, Informative

    Sorry Eugenia, you will have to wait for Qtopia 4 and it's Safe Execution Environment (SXE) to have native applications on a Linux phone.

  17. Re:Interestingly... on Why Use GTK+? · · Score: 1

    All projects, whether open source or not, have disgretion over what contributions get added. Trolltech is no different. It's developed run like an open source project, because it's not wholely an open source project! The commercial licenses pay for the development of the open source code that Trolltech gives away for free. Trolltech employes a great many open source community developers.

    GTK+ is no more cheaper than Qt, unless you are talking about closed source projects. Gtker's seem to like to advocate proprietary applications.

  18. Re:Why do all this free work for ONE company? on Nokia Engineers on KHTML · · Score: 1

    and the gtk based handhelds interface suffers from the same thing as gnome. It's slow, bloated and inefficient.

  19. Re:I wonder too... on Aussie Speed Cameras in Doubt Because of MD5 · · Score: 1

    Answer to both questions is yes.

    The difference is here in Australia, they do not need a reason to stop you. "Drivers License check" seems to be common, at least for the car I drive.

  20. Re:Who was canned at Sharp over this product? on Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 Today? · · Score: 1

    Actually, the Sharp Zaurus is the most popular PDA in Japan. So to answer your question, no one was 'canned' over this device.

  21. Re:zerg on Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 Today? · · Score: 1
    It slaughters the Zaurus in basically every way, except for not having a keyboard.


    There are several different Zaurus devices, the 5500 being only one of them - and 4 years old to boot. The Zaurus isn't a PDA either, it's marketed as a "Personal Mobile Tool"

  22. Re:Just Sold Mine on Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 Today? · · Score: 1
    Trolltech have released a few betas of their new ROM. They have still to release one which is free of critical suspend/resume issues.

    only on the 5000d/5500. patches welcome, if you want to help out

  23. Re:Just Sold Mine on Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 Today? · · Score: 1
    Trolltech was supposedly going to release an updated QT ROM for the 5500, but I never saw it materialize.

    You just didn't wait long enough. http://www.qtopia.net/modules/users/downloads.php

  24. Re:The problem with Qt on Trolltech Releases Qt 4.0 · · Score: 1

    Why would Trolltech support their competitors platforms? Qtopia runs on Pdas and Smart Phones.
    You will soon start seeing Qtopia Phones on the market.

  25. Re:Wierd name on Trolltech Releases Qt 4.0 · · Score: 4, Informative