Naw, I grazed the point. I failed to add that the product of the press is lousy as a result.
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Hang around as long as I have, you'll see it.
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The ianal was added in a reply since I can't find a way to edit a post after it's submitted. But, there are other ways.
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Absolutism doesn't require anything of others. It requires everything of myself, and only myself. The difference between you and me is that people know exactly what they are going to get from me. What they get from you evidently changes moment to moment on whatever whimsey has your attention.
I never let on that the fight against evil is unwinnable. You cannot fight it from the inside because you become part of the rot. Fight it from the outside. It's not pointless to try to win against evil IN A SMART WAY, it's just stupid to think that by becoming part of it that you can win against it in that way. But, I guess in your world of whimsey that you defeat evil by becoming part of it. You can respond all you wish, but next time you consider it just stand up and yell BOHICA!
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"Not everyone shares the same value set as you, and not everyone who has a different value set is evil."
Those that do business with/for an business that does evil IS evil.
"Nothing is as black-and-white as you make it out to be. You've a very simplistic view that must make it hard for you to do anything in life, since everything you do has a negative impact somewhere and is therefore evil, if by inaction you could have prevented the negative impact. Did a friend of yours ever do anything wrong? Did you maintain a friendship with that person, even though by doing so you implicitly agreed with their action? How about a child? If an adult does something wrong, are their parents evil because they did not disown their child?
Categorizing everything into binary black-and-white good and evil is an admission of weakness -- it's admitting that you don't have the ability to weigh relative merits and demerits against eachother.
Not working for an ambiguous company simply because they are ambiguous is also a sign of weakness -- a sign of strength would be to change the company from within.
There will be no shortage of people willing to work for Google. What you are advocating is to ignore evil, rather than working to change it. This is real weakness."
I advocate not helping evil. A corporation like google is too large to change from the inside. Your suggestion sounds noble, but it's just an absolutely stupid sisyphean task... in other words, stupidity is not strength. Your moral relativity is what's wrong with the world today. Moral relativity, or more specifically "grey area's", allow you to justify your directly evil actions.
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"What, people can't prioritize differently than you?"
Of course they can, even if those prioritizations are wrong, and detrimental to themselves and others.
"The ability to make public statements just doesn't matter to most people who are just interested in working on awesome (to them, anyway) projects and being rewarded for their hard work."
This is a trait of the weak.
"Whoa, complete red herring there. The China policy decision by Google is unrelated to this; those policy decisions are not made by the rank-and-file."
No, no red herring there. Everyone that stayed with google after that, and those that wish to join google after that, implicitly agree with what google did. Evil companies are staffed by evil people.
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Hardly anybody tries that, and most people dont' even read what they sign. I do it on credit card applications (have two modified credit cards where the company can't change the interest rate), job applications (back when I wanted one, now I'm a consultant), any time someone wants me to sign anything. I read it all, modify what is needed, and it just really pisses people off when you read everything you sign. It's amazing the length of audacity that people that work for large companies will go to. My insurance agent once wanted me to sign that I read a particular item, so I forced him to produce it (took the asshole an hour and a half to find one), and I read it... slowly.
Slashdot here is a duality of bullshit. On one hand there are a lot of people here that like to bad mouth corporations, but they'd sign that NDA without reading it because it's 'google'. Well, fuck Google, it's a large corporation now, and it'll bend you over and fuck you in the ass if it thought that would get it ahead (speaking as an entity). One of the other dualities are the pagans that like to bad mouth christianity even though paganism is just as stupid.
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Naw, no strong people there. Sheep, perhaps. I bet they also let google go through their credit report. People like that have no respect for their own well being, won't have any respect for others well being... hence, the China debacle.
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Doesn't sound like your company moves very fast at all, but there are still sloths in existance so it's not all bad huh?
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Then google will, and probably is, populated by the weak.
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Of course... IANAL, and YMMV.
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Just line out, and initial the parts you want struck. Add the phrase to the effect that by accepting this NDA as modified that Google agrees to it in it's modified entirety. Then get a photocopy of it. Usually companies will accept the modified contract without even looking at it, they are that self-absorbed.
Agreements and contracts can be modified by any party that accepts or signs them. Usually they also contain the phrase that it cannot be modified by you, but just line out and strike it first.
"I guess I'm really against the whole notion of the enthusiast press. Being so enthusiastic that they want things to be good. I think if our medium is going to become mainstream, and we're going to be considered an art form, we need true critics like the movie industry or even the music industry where people go up and literally critique something, and it's a profession to critique it. In order to critique something, it has to be done."
Yeah, the nerve of anyone wanting things to be good. Hell, we should just be glad the installer runs... kinda. When I buy a game, I expect it to be crap, and I'm upset when it's not. I always complain when my order at the local fast food place is correct, and the last time I purchased a vehicle I insisted that it be as fucked up as possible. Yeah, that's the ticket.
SNAFU
If I want to see art, I'll go to a fucking museum or fancy pants gallery. If I want to play a game, I expect it to work. When I open a box for a board game I expect it to work. When I install a computer game, I expect it to work. I know, I know... I'm a nervy kind of guy that wants things to work, and work well. If this guy were talking about the traditional game industry and said something like "Hey, people expect too much if they want play money for monopoly to be in every box!", we'd all be looking around and thinking "what the fuck?" As we should be now.
It really doesn't matter if you vote Republican or Democrat. It's like voting for one communist party or another. The only vote that matters are the votes that aren't for either a Republican or Democrat.
---------------- The fact of the matter is our patent system IS getting abused. Left and right. And part of the problem there is that it has just become so profitable, and is really handy at trying to create a state of monopoly or semi-monopoly. ----------------
The solution isn't to make it easier to abuse the system. The solution would be to make it harder to get a patent in the first place.
It would vindicate the entities in the U.S. that 'filed first', and in the present system didn't invent the item which makes their patent illegal. I smell large amounts of money, and am wondering which person in Washington D.C. suddenly has a huge wad of cash to spend.
So, they want to change it so that it's 'in line' with being broken? It's like me throwing a pot on the ground, someone saying "Hey, that pot is broken", and me saying "No, it's a cracked pot, it's no longer broken."
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Naw, I grazed the point. I failed to add that the product of the press is lousy as a result.
Hang around as long as I have, you'll see it.
The ianal was added in a reply since I can't find a way to edit a post after it's submitted. But, there are other ways.
Absolutism doesn't require anything of others. It requires everything of myself, and only myself. The difference between you and me is that people know exactly what they are going to get from me. What they get from you evidently changes moment to moment on whatever whimsey has your attention.
I never let on that the fight against evil is unwinnable. You cannot fight it from the inside because you become part of the rot. Fight it from the outside. It's not pointless to try to win against evil IN A SMART WAY, it's just stupid to think that by becoming part of it that you can win against it in that way. But, I guess in your world of whimsey that you defeat evil by becoming part of it. You can respond all you wish, but next time you consider it just stand up and yell BOHICA!
"Not everyone shares the same value set as you, and not everyone who has a different value set is evil."
Those that do business with/for an business that does evil IS evil.
"Nothing is as black-and-white as you make it out to be. You've a very simplistic view that must make it hard for you to do anything in life, since everything you do has a negative impact somewhere and is therefore evil, if by inaction you could have prevented the negative impact. Did a friend of yours ever do anything wrong? Did you maintain a friendship with that person, even though by doing so you implicitly agreed with their action? How about a child? If an adult does something wrong, are their parents evil because they did not disown their child?
Categorizing everything into binary black-and-white good and evil is an admission of weakness -- it's admitting that you don't have the ability to weigh relative merits and demerits against eachother.
Not working for an ambiguous company simply because they are ambiguous is also a sign of weakness -- a sign of strength would be to change the company from within.
There will be no shortage of people willing to work for Google. What you are advocating is to ignore evil, rather than working to change it. This is real weakness."
I advocate not helping evil. A corporation like google is too large to change from the inside. Your suggestion sounds noble, but it's just an absolutely stupid sisyphean task... in other words, stupidity is not strength. Your moral relativity is what's wrong with the world today. Moral relativity, or more specifically "grey area's", allow you to justify your directly evil actions.
"What, people can't prioritize differently than you?"
Of course they can, even if those prioritizations are wrong, and detrimental to themselves and others.
"The ability to make public statements just doesn't matter to most people who are just interested in working on awesome (to them, anyway) projects and being rewarded for their hard work."
This is a trait of the weak.
"Whoa, complete red herring there. The China policy decision by Google is unrelated to this; those policy decisions are not made by the rank-and-file."
No, no red herring there. Everyone that stayed with google after that, and those that wish to join google after that, implicitly agree with what google did. Evil companies are staffed by evil people.
Hardly anybody tries that, and most people dont' even read what they sign. I do it on credit card applications (have two modified credit cards where the company can't change the interest rate), job applications (back when I wanted one, now I'm a consultant), any time someone wants me to sign anything. I read it all, modify what is needed, and it just really pisses people off when you read everything you sign. It's amazing the length of audacity that people that work for large companies will go to. My insurance agent once wanted me to sign that I read a particular item, so I forced him to produce it (took the asshole an hour and a half to find one), and I read it... slowly.
Slashdot here is a duality of bullshit. On one hand there are a lot of people here that like to bad mouth corporations, but they'd sign that NDA without reading it because it's 'google'. Well, fuck Google, it's a large corporation now, and it'll bend you over and fuck you in the ass if it thought that would get it ahead (speaking as an entity). One of the other dualities are the pagans that like to bad mouth christianity even though paganism is just as stupid.
Naw, no strong people there. Sheep, perhaps. I bet they also let google go through their credit report. People like that have no respect for their own well being, won't have any respect for others well being... hence, the China debacle.
Doesn't sound like your company moves very fast at all, but there are still sloths in existance so it's not all bad huh?
Then google will, and probably is, populated by the weak.
Of course... IANAL, and YMMV.
Just line out, and initial the parts you want struck. Add the phrase to the effect that by accepting this NDA as modified that Google agrees to it in it's modified entirety. Then get a photocopy of it. Usually companies will accept the modified contract without even looking at it, they are that self-absorbed.
Agreements and contracts can be modified by any party that accepts or signs them. Usually they also contain the phrase that it cannot be modified by you, but just line out and strike it first.
Do they keep your shit fixed?
In this case it's an interstate issue, not an intrastate issue which makes it federal territory.
"I guess I'm really against the whole notion of the enthusiast press. Being so enthusiastic that they want things to be good. I think if our medium is going to become mainstream, and we're going to be considered an art form, we need true critics like the movie industry or even the music industry where people go up and literally critique something, and it's a profession to critique it. In order to critique something, it has to be done."
Yeah, the nerve of anyone wanting things to be good. Hell, we should just be glad the installer runs... kinda. When I buy a game, I expect it to be crap, and I'm upset when it's not. I always complain when my order at the local fast food place is correct, and the last time I purchased a vehicle I insisted that it be as fucked up as possible. Yeah, that's the ticket.
SNAFU
If I want to see art, I'll go to a fucking museum or fancy pants gallery. If I want to play a game, I expect it to work. When I open a box for a board game I expect it to work. When I install a computer game, I expect it to work. I know, I know... I'm a nervy kind of guy that wants things to work, and work well. If this guy were talking about the traditional game industry and said something like "Hey, people expect too much if they want play money for monopoly to be in every box!", we'd all be looking around and thinking "what the fuck?" As we should be now.
Trademark is a Federal issue, not a state issue. Fuck Utah.
It really doesn't matter if you vote Republican or Democrat. It's like voting for one communist party or another. The only vote that matters are the votes that aren't for either a Republican or Democrat.
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The fact of the matter is our patent system IS getting abused. Left and right. And part of the problem there is that it has just become so profitable, and is really handy at trying to create a state of monopoly or semi-monopoly.
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The solution isn't to make it easier to abuse the system. The solution would be to make it harder to get a patent in the first place.
We'll see how much you like it when you invent something, and some asshole runs to the patent office to get a patent on it.
It would vindicate the entities in the U.S. that 'filed first', and in the present system didn't invent the item which makes their patent illegal. I smell large amounts of money, and am wondering which person in Washington D.C. suddenly has a huge wad of cash to spend.
So, they want to change it so that it's 'in line' with being broken? It's like me throwing a pot on the ground, someone saying "Hey, that pot is broken", and me saying "No, it's a cracked pot, it's no longer broken."
It's not the policy of YouTube, it's the policy of Congress. Why do you hate America?
It just means that there will be a lot of forking going on. It'll be real fun keeping track of gpl2 and gpl3 versions.
Around here, nobody will pick something up off the curb unless it has a price tag on it, and even then they wait untill night.
I am curious if they were in an international airport, and if they were snatched out of the international or u.s. part.