Sounds like an assault to me. The Police are obligate to, you know, enforce the law. I'm glad that Mr. Perry and his employees think that this is cute, but there's nothing like criminal charges and a lawsuit to change that.
Your algorithm is in violation of my client SCO corporation's existing patent #38466643, computer device to prevent phone answering. Don't bother paying us for this violation; We have already files a lawsuit against you and requested that your phone company provide us with the names of all subscribers who have ever not answered their phones.
>All you automatic Texas haters can go fuck off, because Austin is a nice little liberal enclave > that somehow managed to create itself down here.
Um... Sounds like you just admitted that the rest of the state is filled with absolute morons, which, well... would explain while one needs an enclave...
Okay-- I'll accept that you jumped into the 'argument' halfway, then, without knowing what it was about. What if anything does your series of points then have to do with the argument? Nothing as far as I can tell.
That "English" etc are "examples of..." remains a tired myth. At comparable levels, English is a more useful major than Engineering. The most useful levels to examine, are the big leagues (HYPS/ major LACs). That's the point. And "reading carefully" is not equivalent to understanding.
>With today's rapid changes in the economy, and in the IT field in particular, >The people who go to Harvard, Yale, Princeton and so on are not a representative sample of the people who attend college. >They usually start out with a better socio-economic status and better contacts than other college attendees. >Contacts (and knowing how to use them) are extremely important in getting a job.
Yeah, yeah, and whatever. There's always a specious counterargument, and the specious counterarguments to your specious counterargument, begin by pointing out that nearly a third of matriculants at these institutions are first-generation college students...
Your argument was that English majors are not worthwhile (etc). The counter-argument is that worthless degress from third and forth tier institutions, are useless degrees from third and forth tier institutions, whether they're in CS or English or Engineering.
On the other side of that, a solid English degree from a first or second tier institution provides communications skills, which are key in any endeavor.
>College is a waste of time for anyone looking to go into the IT field.
Seriously?
Why don't you walk over to Harvard, Stanford or MIT CS, and try that?
If you're a dunce who will never rise above working for the Geek Squad, then College may be a bad idea because the college opportunities open to you are small-- and you'd do better working on your communications skills. But the reason you're stuck, is probably that you're a dunce, and think that the Geek Squad is "IT."
The age of programmers who can't bathe or brush their teeth, is largely over. And even most of them, went to College and learned real programming in a structured curriculum.
>Seems to me that "college is a waste of time" is an economic, not an anti-learning argument.
What's the difference?
>Economically college can be a waste of time. How many English majors are out there making huge bucks vs how many of them are working at Home Depot?
I love this tired myth.
The average salary for English majors from Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford and the top tier of Liberal Arts Colleges is well over $150K at age fifty. Compare to the average salary of tech graduates from the ITT level... the difference is the quality of the person and institution, not the major.
>How many people got a degree in "web design" or some such fluffery in the 90's only to discover that, gee, there's not a huge market out there for such services.
You do not remember your HHGttG "right." The second arc was for hairdressers, telephone booth cleaners, and marketers (etc). You may wish to consider that Douglas Adams was a liberal arts major.
The obvious answer would be to only implement known-good solutions that work across all major browsers-- something that would be easily implemented by making a list.
Unfortunately, the "web development industry," which ranges from people who couldn't get hired by McDonalds and who are charging less hourly than McDonalds pays, to people charging upwards of $350/hr, is not exactly known for either discipline or standards.
I got me a half-ounce of smooth moon dust here, guaranteed to do what well you know what moon dust is supposed to do. First cool $50K takes it. Contact CmdrTaco for exchange.
Yawn. Please fuck off and die, in reverse order, then learn some decent statistical techniques (which would tell you that WP's "survey" is a pile of steaming shite.)
Wikipedia is what it is. Wildly inaccurate, poor as a source, full of bias, often dominated by petty conflicts, easily manipulated-- and in the end, based on a fundamentally manipulative "troll" model: if it's broken, don't point it out, don't complain, fix it!.
All of this has been hashed out time and time again on/., often by people who've moved on.
I have no sour grapes in particular. Generally, on Wikipedia, I simply ignore the process and beat people over the head with "be bold"-- it's not hard to dominate people that in the end, don't actually have any areas of expertise.
Yeah. Because a bunch of 13-years-olds are so much better than world experts.
Care to back your assertion up with fact or argumentation:)? By your UID, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you are a) not a 13-yr-old Wikipedia editor and b) not Jimmy Wales.
Slashdot Mirror
The one on the left is Pavlov, the one on the left is Skinner... can't you tell from the nice tags Nokia gave us?
mod -1 is not there for "I disagree..."
Sounds like an assault to me. The Police are obligate to, you know, enforce the law. I'm glad that Mr. Perry and his employees think that this is cute, but there's nothing like criminal charges and a lawsuit to change that.
In a bloody sandwich shop?
I'd call the police on them.
Mr. Poster:
Your algorithm is in violation of my client SCO corporation's existing patent #38466643, computer device to prevent phone answering. Don't bother paying us for this violation; We have already files a lawsuit against you and requested that your phone company provide us with the names of all subscribers who have ever not answered their phones.
>Very not-true, unless you were raised by B.F. Skinner in a Nokia lab.
Yeah, and what about it? Next you're going to insult my dogs because they drool every time a bell rings?
>All you automatic Texas haters can go fuck off, because Austin is a nice little liberal enclave
> that somehow managed to create itself down here.
Um... Sounds like you just admitted that the rest of the state is filled with absolute morons, which, well... would explain while one needs an enclave...
Did Anderson Cooper say something about "inane chatter?"
Seems a classic case of it taking an inane chattered to know one.
Okay-- I'll accept that you jumped into the 'argument' halfway, then, without knowing what it was about. What if anything does your series of points then have to do with the argument? Nothing as far as I can tell.
That "English" etc are "examples of ..." remains a tired myth. At comparable levels, English is a more useful major than Engineering. The most useful levels to examine, are the big leagues (HYPS/ major LACs). That's the point. And "reading carefully" is not equivalent to understanding.
>With today's rapid changes in the economy, and in the IT field in particular,
>The people who go to Harvard, Yale, Princeton and so on are not a representative sample of the people who attend college.
>They usually start out with a better socio-economic status and better contacts than other college attendees.
>Contacts (and knowing how to use them) are extremely important in getting a job.
Yeah, yeah, and whatever. There's always a specious counterargument, and the specious counterarguments to your specious counterargument, begin by pointing out that nearly a third of matriculants at these institutions are first-generation college students...
Your argument was that English majors are not worthwhile (etc). The counter-argument is that worthless degress from third and forth tier institutions, are useless degrees from third and forth tier institutions, whether they're in CS or English or Engineering.
On the other side of that, a solid English degree from a first or second tier institution provides communications skills, which are key in any endeavor.
>College is a waste of time for anyone looking to go into the IT field.
Seriously?
Why don't you walk over to Harvard, Stanford or MIT CS, and try that?
If you're a dunce who will never rise above working for the Geek Squad, then College may be a bad idea because the college opportunities open to you are small-- and you'd do better working on your communications skills. But the reason you're stuck, is probably that you're a dunce, and think that the Geek Squad is "IT."
The age of programmers who can't bathe or brush their teeth, is largely over. And even most of them, went to College and learned real programming in a structured curriculum.
PHP hacking is an entirely different thing.
>Seems to me that "college is a waste of time" is an economic, not an anti-learning argument.
What's the difference?
>Economically college can be a waste of time. How many English majors are out there making huge bucks vs how many of them are working at Home Depot?
I love this tired myth.
The average salary for English majors from Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford and the top tier of Liberal Arts Colleges is well over $150K at age fifty. Compare to the average salary of tech graduates from the ITT level... the difference is the quality of the person and institution, not the major.
>How many people got a degree in "web design" or some such fluffery in the 90's only to discover that, gee, there's not a huge market out there for such services.
WTF does this have to do with the topic?
You do not remember your HHGttG "right." The second arc was for hairdressers, telephone booth cleaners, and marketers (etc). You may wish to consider that Douglas Adams was a liberal arts major.
Your anti-intellectualism is noted, however :P
In the words of Sir Edmund Hillary, the reason is, "because it's there."
Seriously?
Please compare the average 20-year-out salaries for the top 20 liberal arts colleges, and get back to me.
The obvious answer would be to only implement known-good solutions that work across all major browsers-- something that would be easily implemented by making a list.
Unfortunately, the "web development industry," which ranges from people who couldn't get hired by McDonalds and who are charging less hourly than McDonalds pays, to people charging upwards of $350/hr, is not exactly known for either discipline or standards.
I got me a half-ounce of smooth moon dust here, guaranteed to do what well you know what moon dust is supposed to do. First cool $50K takes it. Contact CmdrTaco for exchange.
Again, the NYT (*not* the article you mention) and several others have diagnosed /.'s actual usage and contribution (hint: by time, not # of users).
This is not WikiPedia. Like most of the real world, I don't need to engage in a game of "prove it." I don't have to talk to you. This is not a debate.
And I don't need to provide you with references. Go out there and find them yourself.
Yawn. Please fuck off and die, in reverse order, then learn some decent statistical techniques (which would tell you that WP's "survey" is a pile of steaming shite.)
UID 957846 huh? How's your mom's cooking?
"Not the bulk... of editors..."
Says what? Less than 50%?
Wikipedia is what it is. Wildly inaccurate, poor as a source, full of bias, often dominated by petty conflicts, easily manipulated-- and in the end, based on a fundamentally manipulative "troll" model: if it's broken, don't point it out, don't complain, fix it!.
All of this has been hashed out time and time again on /., often by people who've moved on.
I have no sour grapes in particular. Generally, on Wikipedia, I simply ignore the process and beat people over the head with "be bold"-- it's not hard to dominate people that in the end, don't actually have any areas of expertise.
I did not say nothing.
NYT has previously profiled Wikipedia use.
Yeah. Because a bunch of 13-years-olds are so much better than world experts.
Care to back your assertion up with fact or argumentation :)? By your UID, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you are a) not a 13-yr-old Wikipedia editor and b) not Jimmy Wales.
Because Jimmy Wales ego didn't create the Internet. Al Gore will have to apply separately.
The world's least accurate encyclopedia?
The world's biggest internet cult?
There are lots of things WikiPedia is, but a World Wonder...
Also as a founder of various ventures, the above is very good advice; much of the rest offered here, is crud.
Equity is also an incentive to loyalty and commitment, after all.