Realistically, when you have the r&d that apple has, it's trivial to design something like the ipod.. works out great fro apple though..
Take off the shelf components (albeit very small ones) toss in a mixer, sprinkle lightly with simple software, bake for 1 hour at 350 degrees, let cool and sell for big bucks..
Yeh.. having served in the trenches as a lab ass at a university, I am very familiar with that error.. the giant hp lasers are all scrolling that across the little screen..
Now that I work helpdesk, the clueless lab asses call me since they don't know how to fix it..
always cracks me up when they say "pc load letter what the hell does that mean?" half the time we are even watching office space while they are calling..
Im sure that if the intent of the coders was, in fact, to produce an OS that could rival Microsoft, they probably would have teamed up with some of the already existing Linux projects. They could be helping with KDE, GNOME, or kernel dev. However, producing the M$ killer is obviously not their intent.
Or maybe producing an MS killer is their intent and they are just smart enough to realize that teaming up on some linux project is precisely not the way to do that..
Actually, in all reality, their goal is pretty simple and has been stated over and over, its to replicate beos r5 from scratch and eventually expand upon it.
The "B" in BeOS/OBOS: perhaps the B shoud be for BSD, -=snip=- This, I think, would also round out the BSD family (Open/Net/Free) with a Multimedia (crus of BeOS) quite nicely if the developers did decide to use BSD.
WTF? For this to be feasible they'd have to scrap the work they've done so far and restart again using a bsd kernel.. why would they do that.. that wouldn't make any sense seeing as they are trying to replicate beos r5 and eventually expand upon it, not make a multimedia bsd based system.
i applaud OpenBeOS for their work at "reviving" what once was, even if it is stil linux.
OpenBeOS is not, nor was it ever, linux or any form of linux, with the exception of some ported cmd line utils its all written from the ground up using the original beos api for a guideline.
Considering the short amount of time involved and the progress indicators you mention, I think most people would agree that the obos project has progressed quite well and its perceiveable that if they continue at their current rate they'll meet their goal of providing all the major functionality of beos 5 in a couple of years.. but I guess its easier to get modded up by some clueless idiot when you troll than to actually make insiteful observations.
More efficient? I don't remember exactly when, but the introduction of kernel modules into Linux made the kernel take up less space without requiring custom kernels. This is not likely to be something a new OS does before 1.0.
No.. current new os's plan to go this route from the beginning and build it in from the ground up making it more efficient and stable overall.. the beos and obos kernels are designed this way..
if you are implying that the beos and linux kernels are nearly identical you are totally wrong.. if you want a beos like wm for linux, the blueos group is kinda doing that but still using X afaik.. obos really seems to be the only viable beos clone solution, so i haven't been following the "lets make linux into beos" projects that closely..
You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.. do your homework so you don't look like an idiot.. there is no correlation to gnustep or really any existing gnu project since the obos group is well organized and has a clear goal in mind.
Unfortunately, the courts have ruled the corporations are the same as living, breathing human beings, with all of their rights (but none of their vulnerabilities).
the problem with a bandwidth throttle is that no matter how much you throttle it, when 10000 people on one network are using it, it ruins the bandwidth for legitimate downloads.
Thats the great thing about free software, no matter how much or little effort someone else puts towards it has absolutely no effect on effort your could put towards it. Stop complaining and write some linux drivers, otherwise shut up and continue to leech off of the work of others.
Ive seen the sheets at work that list what things cost and what we sell them for.. with the exception of food and things that have the price strongly fixed by the manufacturor, most things sell for several times what they are bought for.
And, PEOPLE WILL NEVER TAKE ANYONE SERIOUSLY, who types CERTAIN THINGS in ALL CAPS for NO APPARENT REASON, while making BASELESS CLAIMS and forward looking statements BASED ON EMOTION AND NOT common SENSE.
and really dishonest is dishonest.. there aren't further degrees of dishonesty.. its not a gradient with dishonest in the middle and honest slightly to the left..
what really pisses me off is when they stick the security tag to the inside of the booklet some place ruining several lines of stuff you should be able to read considering what you just paid for it..
Do you really believe we just fell off the turnip truck? those bigger corps like Toys 'R Us and Babies 'R Us lie to and cheat their customers. we actually sell product at MSRP (manufacturers suggested retail price).
Places that sell things at msrp cheat their customers considering the actual price a store pays for something is 1/10 of what the msrp is.. thats why stores can afford to have x% off sales.. you still make money on sometime until it is 70-75% off and even then you are still making enough to cover the initial cost and a little extra..
Computer Renaissance in the Central Illinois area does this with hardware, but they don't even bother to make sure the right hardware is in the right box, so you'll buy an ISA modem in a box listing a pci one by a different brand. Nothing worse than paying a price higher than best buy charges for a new item for a used item that isn't even what the box says..
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Realistically, when you have the r&d that apple has, it's trivial to design something like the ipod.. works out great fro apple though..
Take off the shelf components (albeit very small ones) toss in a mixer, sprinkle lightly with simple software, bake for 1 hour at 350 degrees, let cool and sell for big bucks..
Yeh.. having served in the trenches as a lab ass at a university, I am very familiar with that error.. the giant hp lasers are all scrolling that across the little screen..
Now that I work helpdesk, the clueless lab asses call me since they don't know how to fix it..
always cracks me up when they say "pc load letter what the hell does that mean?" half the time we are even watching office space while they are calling..
Im sure that if the intent of the coders was, in fact, to produce an OS that could rival Microsoft, they probably would have teamed up with some of the already existing Linux projects. They could be helping with KDE, GNOME, or kernel dev. However, producing the M$ killer is obviously not their intent.
Or maybe producing an MS killer is their intent and they are just smart enough to realize that teaming up on some linux project is precisely not the way to do that..
Actually, in all reality, their goal is pretty simple and has been stated over and over, its to replicate beos r5 from scratch and eventually expand upon it.
or a proprietary binary format that is only viewable by Windows AOHell users...
Yeh.. that html sure is hard for non windows users to read.. darn them with their proprietary formats..
The "B" in BeOS/OBOS: perhaps the B shoud be for BSD, -=snip=-
This, I think, would also round out the BSD family (Open/Net/Free) with a Multimedia (crus of BeOS) quite nicely if the developers did decide to use BSD.
WTF? For this to be feasible they'd have to scrap the work they've done so far and restart again using a bsd kernel.. why would they do that.. that wouldn't make any sense seeing as they are trying to replicate beos r5 and eventually expand upon it, not make a multimedia bsd based system.
i applaud OpenBeOS for their work at "reviving" what once was, even if it is stil linux.
OpenBeOS is not, nor was it ever, linux or any form of linux, with the exception of some ported cmd line utils its all written from the ground up using the original beos api for a guideline.
Considering the short amount of time involved and the progress indicators you mention, I think most people would agree that the obos project has progressed quite well and its perceiveable that if they continue at their current rate they'll meet their goal of providing all the major functionality of beos 5 in a couple of years.. but I guess its easier to get modded up by some clueless idiot when you troll than to actually make insiteful observations.
More efficient? I don't remember exactly when, but the introduction of kernel modules into Linux made the kernel take up less space without requiring custom kernels. This is not likely to be something a new OS does before 1.0.
No.. current new os's plan to go this route from the beginning and build it in from the ground up making it more efficient and stable overall.. the beos and obos kernels are designed this way..
turned out pretty good actually.. what are you trying to get at?
if you are implying that the beos and linux kernels are nearly identical you are totally wrong.. if you want a beos like wm for linux, the blueos group is kinda doing that but still using X afaik.. obos really seems to be the only viable beos clone solution, so i haven't been following the "lets make linux into beos" projects that closely..
You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.. do your homework so you don't look like an idiot.. there is no correlation to gnustep or really any existing gnu project since the obos group is well organized and has a clear goal in mind.
Unfortunately, the courts have ruled the corporations are the same as living, breathing human beings, with all of their rights (but none of their vulnerabilities).
haha.. not quite..
At least I can't make a windows machine stable enough to run Neverwinter or my brain would be toast.
Apparently its already too late if you can't make a windows machine thats stable enough to run a simple game.. oh well..
the problem with a bandwidth throttle is that no matter how much you throttle it, when 10000 people on one network are using it, it ruins the bandwidth for legitimate downloads.
Thats the great thing about free software, no matter how much or little effort someone else puts towards it has absolutely no effect on effort your could put towards it. Stop complaining and write some linux drivers, otherwise shut up and continue to leech off of the work of others.
heh.. my pavilion had one of those.. it lasted about a day.. i didnt even realize what it said until after i had ripped it apart..
Ive seen the sheets at work that list what things cost and what we sell them for.. with the exception of food and things that have the price strongly fixed by the manufacturor, most things sell for several times what they are bought for.
And, PEOPLE WILL NEVER TAKE ANYONE SERIOUSLY, who types CERTAIN THINGS in ALL CAPS for NO APPARENT REASON, while making BASELESS CLAIMS and forward looking statements BASED ON EMOTION AND NOT common SENSE.
and really dishonest is dishonest.. there aren't further degrees of dishonesty.. its not a gradient with dishonest in the middle and honest slightly to the left..
what really pisses me off is when they stick the security tag to the inside of the booklet some place ruining several lines of stuff you should be able to read considering what you just paid for it..
Do you really believe we just fell off the turnip truck? those bigger corps like Toys 'R Us and Babies 'R Us lie to and cheat their customers. we actually sell product at MSRP (manufacturers suggested retail price).
Places that sell things at msrp cheat their customers considering the actual price a store pays for something is 1/10 of what the msrp is.. thats why stores can afford to have x% off sales.. you still make money on sometime until it is 70-75% off and even then you are still making enough to cover the initial cost and a little extra..
Computer Renaissance in the Central Illinois area does this with hardware, but they don't even bother to make sure the right hardware is in the right box, so you'll buy an ISA modem in a box listing a pci one by a different brand. Nothing worse than paying a price higher than best buy charges for a new item for a used item that isn't even what the box says..
Swatch basically did metric time with their internet time idea.. I don't think it has really caught on tho..
Think about it: 60 seconds to a minute, 60 minutes to an hour, 25 hours to a day, all the way to 365 days to a year.
What do you do with the mysterious 25th hour?
I think that it will be interesting to see the people at Apple lose some sleep now that a low cost, fast, off the shelf solution exists to run Mac OS
Somehow I dount Amiga hardware will end up being any of those seeing as the Amiga market is an even smaller niche than the mac one.