I'm using Newsgrabber myself, always liked it better then the rest, they all seemed borg-ish in their design. It is a bit on the slow side with a large database though. =(
Ah-ha. I wondered why K5 would not come up, then I come here and see it was linked from/.
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Re:Kuro5hin
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Slashdot links to a Kuro5hin story?
Yeah? What's so surprising? K5 was hosted with the help of/. for a brief period, and the editors discussed the various methods of moderation back when it was first being implemented. I'd say the only loathing going on is that of a certain facton of K5's readership (including what's his name who made a big stink when he left Slashdot, and now I can't even remember who he was. Signal 11? Or did he just spoof the mod system?) who hates and despises/. for, imo, juvenile reasons. Sour grapes and "I'm leaving now and you'll all be sorry when you miss me!" diatribes marked the exit of some of the more vehement/. bashers on K5.
I'd say the lack of cross links between the two (since they share pretty much the same thematic news) is the fact that the majority of "stories" are comments on articles elsewhere on the net. So, when they share stories, most submittors just link to the primary source. Some of the meta news sites will credit with "Spotted at foo", but neither K5 or/. generally does, although it happens enough to make me think the submittors are the ones not crediting the link (which, again, imo, is unnecessary. If I wanted to read Fark, I'd go there).
-- Evan
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Re:Kuro5hin
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Anonymous Coward
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I think I speak for all of Kuro5hin's readers/posters when I say you could have kept Sig11.
It was only a matter of time when the programmers of the ill faded art of p2p network coding died. Atleast with this article you can get some insight into how things were with AG.
what they should do...
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Hopefully AG will take a cue from Kazaa, go out of bussiness, and have another company (such as Sound Universe) located on an obscure Pacific Island with no extradition treaty take over the task of managing the central server and the distribution of the client....
Re:what they should do...
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beleg777
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Note: I'm a Computer Engineer. I'm not an English Major. Do not reply just to critique my spelling.
I'm both! Err, wait a minute... crap.
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Re:what they should do...
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Lac
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Note: I'm a Computer Engineer. I'm not an English Major. Do not reply just to critique my spelling.
I am a language major. Following your logic, that means that people can correct me if I write "horrable", but would be way out of line to correct me, were I to write: "The Linux kernel still has no real multi-threading support." Good thing I don't reason the same way you do, otherwise I still wouldn't know much about computer science, sociology or anything unrelated to languages.
Basically, what your sig states is that you have a right to be ignorant and prefer to stay that way. Be careful with that attitude: it tends to produce the desired result.
Re:what they should do...
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Anonymous Coward
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http://mediaseek.pl
Re:what they should do...
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Lord_Slepnir
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I basically got sick of people with nothing much to say attacking my posts on the basis of spelling. Based on the fact that I can write such a sig, one can say that I can use the english language, however, because I choose to specailize in a technical field, I'm not as good with language as someone like you who spent their time specializing in language. One of the benefits of living in a civlization is that we don't have to be masters of everything, just capable.
However, you and others have pointed out that that's not much of an excuse, so I will be modifying my sig shortly. Thanks for actually replying intelligently instead of "y0r 5P311ing s0x, man". as many others have.
Re:what they should do...
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Note: I'm a Computer Engineer. I'm not an English Major. Do not reply just to critique my spelling.
Being an ECEN (Electrical/Computer Engineering) major myself, my comment on this is that if you're going to be an engineer, your past coursework and personal knowledge should have been sufficient enough to teach you proper spelling and grammar. If nothing else, take courses in college to improve your English.
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Re:what they should do...
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They should buy a server or two from Havenco and take up residence on Sealand (www.sealandgov.com)
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Don't most Slashdot readers read K5?
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ALoverOfPeace
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That's pretty old news, I would think most have seen it already.
I read it a few weeks ago. The author attempted to portray his company as an innocent victim of the RIAA, and I certainly wouldn't support what they did. However, AudioGalaxy, at least the later versions, were a piece of trash. The most recent one before they were shutdown had tracking software that you couldn't not opt-out of. They were in the p2p business to make money through gathering consumer information and violating privacy, and I would support them no more than the RIAA.
Re:Don't most Slashdot readers read K5?
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Quote submission log for Knacklappen:
2002-06-23 09:08:35 Audiogalaxy Inside (articles,news) (rejected)
So, I guess the story surfaced around June 22nd, since I found a link on Wired (?) on June 23rd...
Well, my submission had been rejected but surely because there were a lot of other interesting articles queuing up, that day. In general, I think it's OK that even older stuff is worth mentioning on/. --- some readers might not have read the original article... and not everybody is willing to check 4 or 5 sites each day just to get all the news...;-)
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Re:Don't most Slashdot readers read K5?
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fdawg
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The linux version didnt have spyware. Its funny how you condemn them for using spyware but wanted to use them for downloading music. Are all of your downloads public domain or did you plan on sending the RIAA a check for every mp3?
Re:Don't most Slashdot readers read K5?
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AntiNorm
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The most recent one before they were shutdown had tracking software that you couldn't not opt-out of.
Sure you could have opted out of it...just use Audiogalaxy Lite instead. Better UI, no spyware. (I'm not going to bother finding a link to it because it's not like you'd be able to download anything with it now)
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Re:Don't most Slashdot readers read K5?
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Anonymous Coward
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What the hell is K5?
original audiogalaxy blew
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Anybody remember the original audiogalaxy? It was basically a glorified FTP search. For the sites it indexed, it also listed up/down ratios, access restrictions, etc. Both it and scour were the first ones out the door in terms of sharing beyond a P2P client. They both started hunting down windows shares, then indexing open windows shares (the owner of which would have no idea), then trying random logins to FTPs, etc. I had all this crap in my server logs as they tried to break into my Samba shares and FTP site to index my content. I had to ask to be removed more than a few times. Bastards.
Re:original audiogalaxy blew
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shepd
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>I had to ask to be removed more than a few times.
Well geez, whose fault is that?:-)
-- If you could be told what you can see or read, then it follows that you could be told what to say or think - BoC
Re:original audiogalaxy blew
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Theirs. They ran portscans of subnets of popular ISPs.
Re:original audiogalaxy blew
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shepd
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And who left their shares open to the world?
And if you didn't, how much bandwidth of yours did the portscans waste? I'm betting its well under 100k...
-- If you could be told what you can see or read, then it follows that you could be told what to say or think - BoC
Re:original audiogalaxy blew
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j1mmy
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you did, you rapist.
Re:original audiogalaxy blew
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Anonymous Coward
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>Do you have over 1000 [slashdot.org] comments? > Why Not?
Um... that should be a comma, not a period. Anyways though, there will always be more filesharing services... for every one that goes down, it seems like 5 spring up.
I still say the solution is that ISPs tack on an extra 5 USD (or equivilent in other currency) on to net connection bills, then allow free legal access. *shrug*
I hope your joking... Here in Canada they have an levy on CD-R media.. So now I have to pay an exta 20c+ a disk to the music industry every time I backupdate, save family photos, make a mix CD from my music collection that I alrealy paied for.
Its total BS.
-- EA David Gardner -"... but the consumers have proven that actually what they want is fun."
Re:Idea.
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what about those who dont want access because *gasp* they dont share/download pirated files. why should they have to pay for it. and yes there are more users on the internet that dont do that stuff, than do.
im not talking the p2p legal uses. im talking about people not using p2p at all. why should i pay for content i dont want when all i do is use email and news websites
Then just throw it on broadband then - there is no reason to have anything but dialup if that is all you are doing, no?
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Re:Idea.
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I suspect his first language might be French; in which case I think it's impressive that he's reading and contributing to an English-language site at all. I bet very few of you could do so well in (say) Spanish.
Good plan, though
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From the article:
AG was always very efficient with its money; most of the people working there were college students, and we weren't paid as much as we might have been at another dotcom, but I was making way more then I would have been delivering pizzas, and I got to work on something I really believed in.
Quite a good ruse, roping college students in to write piracy software for peanuts. Of course it's something they really believe in, I remember when I was at college and wanted to get everything for free.
The moral thing to do, of course, is to actually buy the CDs and put money towards the artist, to reimburse them for providing you with nice music. But the vast majority of college students are just too selfish to realise that.
Re:Good plan, though
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did you even read the article? he said pretty plainly that the whole idea of AG was to distribute live music and rare songs not covered by the RIAA. I wish i could buy live music on cds for my favorite bands, but since i listen to alot of unknown groups, the market just isnt there for it. Getting them off a p2p network, or even ftp is my only option. Its not piracy if they arnt selling it in the first place.
Re:Good plan, though
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colmore
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Burn the CDs, see the show and buy a T-Shirt, the artist will get a much greater percentage of your money.
Record Labels and distributors get something like 90% of CD revenue.
Record Labels and distributors get something like 90% of CD revenue
Propagating that myth doesn't make it any less immoral, you know.
To look at it another way, if the artist doesn't sell enough CDs then the label may well drop them. In which case, they get no further income from them at all.
Burn the CDs, see the show and buy a T-Shirt, the artist will get a much greater percentage of your money.
See the show: Very few tours make money for the artist. That's why some went for corporate sponsorship, just to help pay the bills. Do you know what it takes to put a show on the road? I do.
Buy a T-Shirt: The venue actually makes more money from the t-shirt sales than the artist does, due to the percentage of sales they get to keep.
The only people who really make money in the music business are the songwriters.
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Re:Good plan, though
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Yeah, I really don't want to spend 18-20 bucks on a CD if I just like one song. What if there's not a single available? I support the bands I like, I buy their CD's, go to shows, etc. . . Is it stealing? Probably. But as the other posters pointed out, it's only stealing 10% from recording artists and 90% from Music Companies, and if you ask me, they deserve the shaft for what they've done to radio.
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Re:Good plan, though
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Anonymous Coward
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The only people who really make money in the music business are the songwriters.
As it should be. Musicians are a dime a dozen. Good writing makes good music. Musicians, with rare exceptions, are interchangeable.
Too bad it is not that way in the movie, and especially television business.
Less "immoral"? So who are you to claim absolute knowledge of what is moral and immoral for the rest of us?
You're arguing on pretty subjective grounds.
I have no problems with my own conscience when I download an artist's MP3 song, or burn a copy of one of their music CDs.
Truly, I believe it always has been and always will be the nature of the music (and video) distribution business that a certain percentage of people will buy a given work, while another percentage will just make themselves a copy of it.
Right now, it seems to be believed that it's more profitable to bellyache about the artificial "losses" incurred from the "illegal copies" floating around than to take responsibility for one's own actions and try to produce better music. The quality of "popular music" is at an all-time low right now, and the only answer they can give for poor sales is music piracy.
I've purchased literally hundreds of CDs and hundreds of cassette tapes. Know what? Quite a few of those tapes are already worn out. Do they offer any type of replacement deal? Nope! Whether my tape happens to last 20 years, or only 2 - I'm stuck paying full retail price for a replacement. In a fair world, the music industry would realize that I already paid for my rights to listen to this particular album the first time, and only charge me the actual cost of the replacement media if my tape wore out.
So instead of re-buying the same stuff twice, I'm trying to download a lot of it as MP3's. Immoral? I think not... but some of you would, of course, decry this as absolutely wrong.
Although, nothing stops them from playing shows and making music...what is with the idea that artists can't make money without the labels. In fact, the labels can't make money without the artists, who they bilk out of their just share.
>But the vast majority of college students are just too selfish to realise that.
Maybe we should just become communist and solve that problem completely, huh?
I think the students are simply taking a page from the RIAAs super-uber-Capitalist stop at nothing to make money handbook, and it looks good on the RIAA that students are fighting the RIAAs greed with exactly same same level of greed.
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Re:Good plan, though
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IAAM (I am a musician) and I know for a fact that most bands don't get shit for the CDs that are sold by the majors. We sell CDs at our live shows and we get all of the profit. Same with t-shirts and hats. The majors are in reality no different than the Mafia, except that they don't kill people (that I know about anyway). All they are in existence for is to rip off musicians and songwriters. I do both, I sell jingles to local radio stations and work (on the side) on background music. I make enough to (barely) pay for my equipment.
Quite a good ruse, roping college students in to write piracy software for peanuts. Of course it's something they really believe in, I remember when I was at college and wanted to get everything for free.
Especially since the students never realized the company was getting them nearly for free. Is that integrity, or irony?
See the show: Very few tours make money for the artist. That's why some went for corporate sponsorship, just to help pay the bills. Do you know what it takes to put a show on the road? I do.
A lot of this is because of they way tours are organized - with the label and other "handlers" arranging everything, and billing the band for all the "services" they offer. They take this money off the top, and also generally take off money owed for promotion and such off the top as well.
In my experience, it's not hard to organize a profitable tour. It's hard to do a hugely profitable tour, but not a modestly profitable one - assumming, of course, people want to see your band play.
Ha! That may be the moral thing to do if you're a record company executive, but I don't think most artists would agree. You could do what I do: if you download an album from your illegal source of choice and like it enough to keep it, send the artist a money order for $5. That's more than they'll see from the CD sale, and you cut out the middleman (the RIAA). Better yet, go see them at a live show, then they'll get their money and you get to show your support.
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Re:Good plan, though
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Anonymous Coward
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Record Labels and distributors get something like 90% of CD revenue
Propagating that myth doesn't make it any less immoral, you know.
You are right. 90% is a myth. Try anywhere from 92 to 96%.
It doesn't make it less immoral, though. I will agree there. I do buy the CDs of the artists I genuinely like. I only wish they were getting more of my money than the record labels were.
Re:Good plan, though
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joshsisk
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If you think it's a myth, check out this article by Steve Albini. In case you don't know who he is, Albini is a career musician who, among his other accomplishments, produced at least one Nirvana album.
Make sure to check out his royalty breakdown at the bottom, based on his experience working in the record industry. It's pretty interesting stuff.
Yet another citizen hoodwinked by the big business spin doctors.
RIAA is complaining about losing business to p2p. Maybe that is true. I can't disprove it with my limited resources.
But maybe people are catching on that these people produce lousy drivel and sell it with glitzy marketing and that they have been stealing our culture and selling it back to us for most of this century. Before business started buying copyright protection laws the maximum copyright protection length was 28 years. Now it is around 190 years (presuming you are a child star who manages to survive to age 120).
They won't stop til they get the ability to collect fees on the song running through your head. ("I am Henry the 8th I am" may hit #1 when that happens.)
P2P software is not "piracy software" any more than ftp, Windows copy command, Linux/Unix cp command, etc!
The moral thing to do, of course, is to actually buy the CDs and put money towards the artist, to reimburse them for providing you with nice music. But the vast majority of college students are just too selfish to realise that.
Excuse me? Did you really even go to college? Or did you go to a state school with a scholarship?
From your attitude, I doubt you had to pay anything for college. Maybe books?
I'm going to a small mid-western Liberal arts school. I've got about half covered in scholarships. That leaves me $15,000 or so to cover with cash money, help from my parents, and loans. My parents are not rich, nor am I. I don't get everything free either. I'd love to have enough money to but the things I want. When I'm almost broken on books, my first thoughts aren't on "Gee, I like so-and-so artist. I'm going to go spend $20 stupid dollars on their album." They're more along the lines of "Gee, I hope I have enough money for books, food and (Fraternity) house bills."
So, yes, I suppose I am selfish in that sense. I'd rather, you know, eat than buy some damn CD that will show the artist %5 of what I paid. Most of my friends were the same way, except the ones who had things handed to them. They'd go out and buy CDs. They had plenty of money. I Downloaded copies of office, though not illegal (campus wide license), from HL. I wasn't about to pay for that either. Talk to me when everything hasn't been handed to you.
Mod me up, mod me down. I don't really care right now.
The moral thing to do, of course, is to actually buy the CDs....But the vast majority of college students are just too selfish to realise that.
Morals are a luxury for the rich. Most college students are poor. Show me a college student that isn't trying to get something for nothing and I'll show you our next president....because he's a damn good liar!
I buy my music and software now because I have the capital to buy it. My current view is $15 (or $50 for software) is a fine price for something I'm going to enjoy for many hours. That view differs strongly with my old college view of $15 = 15 bean burritos at Taco Bell, lets rip that cd....
-- "Only one thing, is impossible for god: to find any sense in any copyright law on the planet." Mark Twain
Quite a good ruse, roping college students in to write piracy software for peanuts.
Consider the number of people who have written one for free. (G'wan, check out Freshmeat.)
Of course, the article also mentions that AudioGalaxy turned into a place for Artists to host their own material. Sure AG also turned into "share anything" system, but the article does not discuss when, how or why this happened. With settlement complete, I'd like to hear if this was a conscientious decision and if so who made it and why.
Even so, the parent post to this reply smacks of soapboxing, to me.
The moral thing to do, of course... ... is to consider the implications behind supporting the RIAA and its treatment of signed artists and its neigh monopolistic practices and the many immoral and deeply questionable things it does. Can you do this then stand up and say, "I'm moral because I do what these people tell me."
Some people consider it moral to go against this idea. So who's the more moral?
It's different in UK. If your parents aren't rich you become eligible for a low-interest loan from these people, to be paid back when you earn over a certain amount. Also your tuition fees then get paid by the government. As for books, I got most of them out of the library. The student loan covered accomodation and food nicely and left me with a bit left over. Also, I worked during the holidays to earn a bit more.
So, you're right, I didn't have to pay much because I live in a country where the government actually gives you benefits if you're not so well-off.
We also have a national health system. See, our taxes actually go towards something more useful than lining the pockets of our rulers.
No, music is a luxury. As much as I love listening to it I don't need a CD's worth of music per week to survive.
The moral thing to do is make sure the artist gets paid which is something the current P2P solutions do not do. If you can't afford it then turn on the radio.
-- I don't want knowledge. I want certainty. - Law, David Bowie
You honestly havnt a clue what you are talking about.
I am angry you really think thats the best way to compensate musicians. Speaking as a musician, it isn't. Go to the show. Buy a tshirt. Whether or not you buy my CD means not so much.
> The moral thing to do
It might be the moral thing to do, but it probably wouldn't be if you understood that those who want you to never listen to music for free, and always to buy the CD happen to be those who will benifit the most from it - not artists, but a bunch of suits. Although, from the sound of it (particularly the dig at college students) you probably _are_ a suit.
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Re:Good plan, though
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You know... I have a hard time feeling sympathy for anyone in the entertainment industry who was once big but ends up falling into obscurity, flipping burgers (a la "Where Are They Now?" series).
Why? I was doing some numbers the other day, as I contemplated my retirement egg. I'm a rather conservative investor, so I was looking at HH-series bonds, which currenty return 4%. Assuming the return remained the same (it can go up or down every 10 years), if I had $600k worth of these bonds, they would pay out my current salary ($52k/year). Pretty comforatble for my lifestyle. If I sack away $850/pacheck for the next 30 years, I'll obtain that goal.
I can't aford that now (starting at $100/paycheck), but the above doesn't take into account me making more and paying less for other things down the road (home, retirement property, etc) plus the interest I earn from the bonds to buy more bonds with.
Your typical middle-class nest-egg. Some will do much better or much worse, but we can all do it.
What in hell does this has to do with ripping off artists? Ever see "MTV Cribs" (whatever it's called)? Might as well call it "Lifestyles of the Rich and Arrogant". If these bozos would put a half-mil of their instant fortunes down in some investments, rather than these fancy homes, they wouldn't bloody need us or the record lables to make music. If they indeed want to make music for music's sake, then most could probably do quite well.
When some young teen superstar can lay out a chunk of cash that will take me 30 years to save up, I really can't say I feel bad if they never released another album again. Not a rant, more like a reality check. (Same goes for dot-bomb idiots holding the bag of worthless stock options.)
I have to say, I totally agree with your thinking. Why is everyone crying foul when Britney or N'Sync don't make that extra 50 million due to piracy. It's not like they aren't already completely well off.
If the music is indeed GOOD, I will support the band. In fact, I see no reason for having record labels, other than the fact that they provide an initial investment to get the record going. In this case, the label should get a return from CD sales, etc up TO the amount shelled out to get the record launch, plus a market interest rate for the amount of time it takes to get a decent return from the sales.
Fuck the rich getting richer. I think that if a musician makes 200K/year that should be considered good -- especially compared to other occupations that pay significantly less for more brainpower and work. If you have the voice, how hard is it REALLY to make music? Not that hard.
Well, not always:) I've heard a lot of complete shit that has made people go ga-ga over the "musician" (and I use this term loosly). Look at britney or pretty much any other boy or girl band, and listen to the shit they put out (written I'm sure, by spasmatic monkeys on acid).
Of course, to reply to myself before anyone else, this doesn't mean this is 'good music', just popular music. Good music does absolutely need a good songwriter.
These arguments are valid... up to a point. Yes these "artists" are making a few million a year, which might be more than is fair.
But, the middlemen of the labels are making tens and even hundreds of millions a year.
Ideally, that kind of excess would be passed on to consumer savings, but that won't happen. I'd still rather see Brittany get the money (she does work hard at what she does, which is really more vaudeville than art) than some contract lawyer.
It's like the old professional sports arguments, the player's salaries seem crazy, until you look at the owners/managers.
They may get more money from you if you see the show and buy a shirt for every CD you download but if they don't sell CD's then will there be a tour and t-shirts next time around? But it doesn't justify your theft. Whenever I start believing this shit about the labels and distributors getting almost all of the money and the artists getting nothing, someone like Moby goes on a rant bitching how CD downloading is costing him money. Now who do I believe here, the artists complaining about file sharing hurting his wallet or the slashdot cheapskate with his cost to make a CD figures that he pulled out of his ass which is loosly based on a 50 CD spindle he recently purchased for $2.99 after rebates.
And where is the complaining about software, ie games. A popular RPG comes out and RPG fans who pre-order it or get it the week of release pay $54. In a matter of weeks the price drops $15. This to me is clearly gouging the fans of the game but we don't complain, probably because we are programmers and that would be slapping our own face.
it's the writers/producers who are the clever ones
Pete Waterman has had over 3000 number one singles around the world as a producer with artists such as Kylie Minogue, Jason Donovan, Timmy Mallet, Mel and Kim
All pretty crud stuff but you can't argue with the numbers
The charts are about who can play the charts not who makes the best music, always have been, always will be.
Any time you have anything that says "sales and airplay" you've lost it
-- There are places where the networks are not touching,and there are places where they are-Boeing's Lori Gunter
Yes, you've always had that ability. Don't buy music that is supported by the RIAA. There are many artists out there that are making records with their own hard earned money that are not influenced by the corporate market. Many are challenging listeners with intelligent, meaningful songwriting. None of this will ever change and many people will still be bickering here on Slashdot as long as people are still buying records from companies that the RIAA is "protecting". Inform your friends, your parents, your little brother or sister.
concerned musician
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Re:Good plan, though
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kidlinux
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Did you read the whole article? Like this part, for example:
"I bought a ridiculous number of CDs while I worked there, because I found out about music that I wouldn't have otherwise."
I can say the same thing. Over a half of my 200 CD collection is due to AudioGalaxy (it was my file sharing app of choice.) That's 100+ legitimate CD purchases due to file sharing, and file sharing only. Gee, who'd have figured, eh?
If Kennon Ballou did it, and I did it, it makes me wonder how many other people did too.
moby wasn't talking about losing money only that his record was more popular than record sales made it seem due to people downloading which wasn't counted................. slasdot misinformation for the masses
The majors are in reality no different than the Mafia, except that they don't kill people (that I know about anyway).
"The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic
hallway, where thieves and pimps run free and good men die like dogs. There's
also a negative side." -- Hunter S. Thompson
-- Graham "Teach" Mitchell, computer science teacher, Leander HS
How do I send say, (picking a mega-artist out at random) Robbie Williams, or Five or NSync a personal cheque? Is there a website somewhere listing their personal mailing addresses ??? Or their bank account details?
Didn't think so...
You would hav to go through their record companies, or maybe, if you could track them down, their agent - who would then no doubt take a cut...
-- And the people shall be oppressed, every one by another, and every one by his neighbour Isaiah 3:5
2" reel to reel tape is an expensive, speciality item. (Note that this article was written about 5 years ago, before the digital boom). Still, I bet now there would be a "computer rental fee" or some such nonsense.
Sorry guys, I loved it back when it was just the FTP search. Adding a place where artists could host stuff: great. Requiring a lameass client software riddled with spyware and adware: inexcusable.
Maybe AG should just be a promoter or distributor for the musicians instead of trying to be a napsterclone. Stick it to the RIAA that way.
Audiogalaxy was the ONLY place for small bands. You could look up a lesser-known like the Microphones or the Young Marble Giants and not only find every single release, but also a host of B-Sides, basement tapes, and live cuts. By the time AG shut down, I had over 5 hours of Neutral Milk Hotel material, and NMH, mind you, is a band with only 2 45 minute albums to their name.
I can safely say that Augiogalaxy made me go out and purchase CDs, and more importantly made me go out and see live shows (where artists make a much higher return) I miss that little service allready.
It's funny. The files the RIAA really wants to stop, Brittany, Nickelback, etc. are available on any one of the hundreds of P2P providers out there, they aren't stopping a single pirate by shutting down AG, but the lesser knowns and out of prints now are homeless.
-- In Capitalist America, bank robs you!
Re:Audiogalaxy lost it.
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OwnedByTwoCats
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It's funny. The files the RIAA really wants to stop, Brittany, Nickelback, etc. are available on any one of the hundreds of P2P providers out there, they aren't stopping a single pirate by shutting down AG, but the lesser knowns and out of prints now are homeless.
Maybe that's the point.
Re:Audiogalaxy lost it.
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medcalf
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It's funny. The files the RIAA really wants to stop, Brittany, Nickelback, etc. are available on any one of the hundreds of P2P providers out there, they aren't stopping a single pirate by shutting down AG, but the lesser knowns and out of prints now are homeless.
Just think about this for a second. Which is the greater threat to the RIAA, 1000000 ripoffs of the latest Brittany single (maybe a thousand real sales lost) or the possibility of independent artists finding a way to distribute music and make money without needing the RIAA's member companies? I'd bet that RIAA is way more worried about the latter than the former.
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Two men say they're Jesus. One of them must be wrong. - Dire Straits
hmm dunno abt 'lost it'. I used AG mainly for live DJ sets, white label d'n'b/breakz singles and OOP stuff. Which is what it excelled at. Dunno what I'm gonna do now w/o it...
AG will be missed
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stevenbee
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I was exposed to a lot of cool and interesting music I otherwise wouldn't have heard about, thanks to various groups on Audiogalaxy. While I understand the music industry's rationale for suppressing this kind of thing, I wonder why there can't be a legal, commercially-based (if not very profitable) service of this kind, supported by the artists and labels. Is this an overly utopian idea?
Anything NOT maximizing the revenue generated towards the labels is overly utopian. I really believe that most of the artists couldn't give a damn as long as they make their couple of million dollars. The labels on the other hand need more than just a couple million...to pay for their own salary to begin with and all of the political campaigns they attempt to purchase.
1.)Once people get something for free (whether it's stolen or not) they want to continue to get it for free. People will come up with new ways of getting music for free, rather than paying, even a very small price, for tunes. That's human nature. 2.)Some of us are shafting the music industry based on principle. It might not be legal, but to us folk, it is moral.
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--What, you ain't know about them country fried sessions?
Re:AG will be missed
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Anonymous Coward
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Have you heard of Emusic? It sounds similar to what you describe. Not P2P though, but it's good for finding new types of music and is supposedly profitable.
Short description of Emusic: $15 a month for unlimited downloads of regular mp3s, downloading fast enough to saturate my 2mbps cable line. My only gripe is that it's all at 128K (I usually use 192 or 256 when ripping), which sounds fine for most songs, but not all of them.
Re:AG will be missed
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Anonymous Coward
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For some reason the link isn't showing up... It's at www.emusic.com if you can't figure it out.
Share between friends...
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turnstyle
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If you're looking for an easy way to share MP3s, OGGs and other files between friends, you might be interested in my software Andromeda, which dynamically builds streaming web sites with PHP or ASP. It's not dependent on any centralized service. Take a look & I hope you like it. -Scott
Re:Share between friends...
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Anonymous Coward
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Yea, what is this? This is the 3rd time I see your add in your posts. Man that is soo lame. It wants to make me cry. Oh, wait this is shallowdot, nothing new here, moving on.
What a shameless plug.
And now go check out my wonderous pay for code... (jk)
Re:Share between friends...
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turnstyle
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Didn't you know that it's shameless plug Monday? Anyways, I think a thread on the demise of AG is an appropriate place to mention Andromeda (see, I didn't even link it this time).
Frankly, I think that there has been a recurrent sub-theme among today's threads: compensation to independent developers. Personally, I want to be able to devote myself to working on a project I love, and for the first two years I really had hoped that 'what goes around' would finally 'come around' but now that just seems a little naive.
Some developers actually want to pay rent and buy food with money earned from their efforts on personal projects. Why not? Sure, we hate Microsoft, we hate our boss, we hate anybody who charges anything for software, but it doesn't seem that any lifestyle changes can take place if real money isn't spent as to 'vote' for independent projects.
Re:Share between friends...
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akarnid
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Heeyyy you do Andromeda:) That's a nice proggie - been usin it to stream mp3's off the company server down to my home. Works well, and has a nice simple interface....
I noticed this the other day on Kuro5hin too. In the discussion someone brought up an interesting point that I have wondered about as well; Why not just move the centeralized servers offshore to a data haven like SeaLand?
I thought it might be an ethics issue, I mean, what company would advertise on something so blatently illegal? Then I remembered that AG bundled Gator and other spyware! Doh!
Anyway, why not move it offshore? Isn't this the reason datahavens exist? I would think the folks from SeaLand would be falling all over themselves to get Audiogalaxy as a client. The publicity alone would be better than any advertising they could possibly buy.
Democrats don't know the answers, Republicans don't know the questions.
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Re:Options?
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Anonymous Coward
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SeaLand is really really expensive, and the RIAA, etc could always go after the people that provide them net connections. They're already starting to look at going after individuals.
well, in a lot of scifi(even if you exclude gibson) there's these places that are built just for that.. sealand style artificial islands, space stations, the whole lot.
you know, it doesn't take a genius to come to that conclusion if you saw(heard) the pirate radios of 60's that played rock'n'roll when the gov. funded radios refused to play such blasphemy.
it's all about conviency for the user though.. like, there's lots of small bands that fit my taste of music that i can have no possible meanings of getting my hands on, without using too much extra hours just trying to trade some old lp's to get it..
-- world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
kuro5hin: home of the Ultra Liberal
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Anonymous Coward
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You can safely ignore anything kuro5hin has to say.
It is the home of "Hillary for President" and the "Al Gore Fan Club". It is so left wing that it
make communists look like Rush Limbaugh.
No orginal thought on kuro5hin, just regurgitated
leftism as learned at the unwashed feet of Mr. Randy, their
gay 10th grade civics teacher. It is a place where cop killer Mumia is king, and ordinary decent hard working people are dissed.
Re:kuro5hin: home of the Ultra Liberal
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RadioheadKid
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Well....that's just like your opinion man...
Please ignore this AC, he has no idea what he's saying...
-- "Karma can only be portioned out by the cosmos." -Homer Simpson
Re:kuro5hin: home of the Ultra Liberal
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Anonymous Coward
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I agree completely. Well stated, too. Although, I've only visited kuro5hin a few times. I noticed the severe politics there pretty quickly, so I just stuck with/.
Unfortunately, I've often wanted to express this about/. as well. I enjoy the tech news here, but I so wish social/political topics would be avoided. Of course software can mean money, and money can mean politics, so politics can be dragged in legitimately, but if social issues could be avoided, that would be great. Just a thought.
Re:kuro5hin: home of the Ultra Liberal
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Anonymous Coward
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I see, so you prefer the stupid Bush that makes the whole world laugh by his total dumbness ? Go get a life kid, and open your eyes. Bush is the redneck asshole you hoped for then ?
AG always seemed to have far more songs, by far more artists, than other P2P apps. Since AG went to hell, I've tried BearShare, Morpheus, KaazaLite, some others, but can't find anything close to what AG offered. That range of choice is what made AG standout; that is was run using Apache/PHP/etc is impressive.
BTW, note to RIAA: AG prompted me to buy more CDs that I would have otherwise. I'm not paying $16-$20 for a CD unitl I get to listen to all of it several times.
Re:New information for all Lunix users
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ShwAsasin
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What is the relevance of this posting? Once you've got Linux installed why would you want XP, so M$ can steal, rape, and plunder your computer information worse then a fictional pirate?
And why would I wanna pay $300 or $500 for Windows which is inferior. Ya right, Nice try! Were you part of that Washington "Think Tank" which produced the "linux is bad because it's free" hate document?
Keep Open-Source alive because it is truly built on creativity and innovation. Not curruption, capitalism, and monopolization.
Re:WOOOO!! MY MCSE IS HERRREE!!
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Anonymous Coward
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well in high school, i hung around the computer lab after word processing class and helped shut down all the PC's for the day. after HS, when I worked at Taco Bell, the POS units were windows based and i would reboot them when they hung or blue screened. so i'm not completely clueless, asshole.
Re:WOOOO!! MY MCSE IS HERRREE!!
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Anonymous Coward
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im in college right now, i put in over 50 applications here in Madison, Wisconsin and can not get a technical job anywhere. If you dont have field experience your fucked, and i have resorted to working in a factory to pay my way through the rest of school. Im praying something open up when i graduate...
It was only a matter of time when the programmers of the ill faded art of p2p network coding died.
Odd, I didn't catch that in the obituaries. Where they all at an ill fated convention?
Making me miss 1999 again
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Skyshadow
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His little sections about "corporate culture" made me realize what it was I really miss from the.com boom:
It wasn't the free soda, it wasn't the shitload of money thrown at everything (well, ok, I miss that, too), it wasn't the company buying beer on Fridays or paying for lunch...
What I miss is the "bright" and "young" aspect. The Silicon Valley of 2002 seems to have gotten a lot older. It makes sense -- most of the young people like myself moved out when they got laid off. Now, at 25, I'm still the youngest person in my office (and in many offices I interviewed in while I was job hunting). As such, many of the companies are lacking that energy that made working during the boom seem, well, special.
I miss that.
-- Every year during my review, I just pray the words "slashdot.org" aren't mentioned.
Re:Making me miss 1999 again
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Anonymous Coward
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The dot-com boom was a social phenomenon as much as a business phenomenon. It was really a classic American youth movement. The boom is over, but work is forever changed.
Re:Making me miss 1999 again
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Anonymous Coward
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Maybe the companies would have survived if they had some grown-ups who knew a little something about business there.
Re:Making me miss 1999 again
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Telastyn
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Companies such as that still exist; but they weren't built on naivete or hype. They were built on products that were usable in the marketplace. Those companies that don't discriminate against youngin's get their skills, usually for less $$$ because their demand isn't so high.
My company has 3 21 and at least 6 25. We're still going well, even in these times.
Re:Making me miss 1999 again
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paranoic
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Go to Graduate School. Some of them (the research public/perish ones) have that atmosphere. I joined a.con to find that atmosphere. Now that I'm in a real company, the energy is gone, and it's no longer as fun.
This guy notes that the two things that distinguished Audiogalaxy from other p2p clients were the "use a web based interface, and [the ability to] queue songs for delivery later."
I've often wondered why this feature is lacking in gnutella clients. I, for one, am frustrated when I have to continually search for that one song I want. Shouldn't I be able to tell gnutella to search for a specific song and download it when I find it (without resorting to macros)? Is there any development going on in this area?
Nope it's been available for a really really long time as a "harvester" of sorts.
napshare allows you to set up bot rules to snag everything that matches "butthole surfers mp3 moving to florida" will attempt to snage EVERYTHING that matches that search. so if you leave it running for a week, you're hard drive will be full of 90,000 copies of that song.... that's the bad part. the good part? leave it going overnight, and delete the 80 crappy ones and keep that one 256VBR ot 192 bitrate mp3 that was encoded propery and with a good encoder.
remember just getting it is the easy part... getting an mp3 that isn't crappy is the hard part.... only one out of every 20 mp3's of the same song is worth downloading, the other 19 are crap. and the ratio is getting worse.
If I understand what you want, Gtk-Gnutella can do this. It's by far the best Gnutella client I've ever used (whether in *nix or Windows).
Re:Download Queues & Gnutella
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Phork
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check out napshare. Napeshare is a gnutella client for X that does exactly what you say, you enter in some search terms, and a minimum file size, and then click go. It downloads anything that matches. it works very well.
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free as in swatantryam - not soujanyam.
Re:Download Queues & Gnutella
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berck
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Yeah, and compared to AG, that sucks ASS. All you had to do in audiogalaxy was click on the song you wanted. you got one good copy, everytime. No time spent dicking with which of 30 copies you got are decent and so on.... It's just waste.
Re:Download Queues & Gnutella
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Mr_Silver
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leave it going overnight, and delete the 80 crappy ones and keep that one 256VBR ot 192 bitrate mp3 that was encoded propery and with a good encoder.
Well I suppose it's better, but it's hardly good.
Especially if you have bandwidth limits and you don't want to go crashing over them. I don't find the notion of wasting 320 meg to find one decent 4 meg MP3 particulary appealing.
-- Avantslash - View Slashdot cleanly on your mobile phone.
oh man, the submission didn't provide much detail, so i did something i, and most other/.'ers don't do often, i read the article, it's really intresting, some of his opnions may be biased, such as saying AG was the best, but atleast he provides some reasoning for it... what he said about the RIAA was very intresting, about how they claimed that they weren't doing a very effective job at blocking songs, but making filters is very hard, and the final way, with checksums on the first megabyte of mp3's was an ingenious way. i'm starting to feel that those who infringe on copyrights are hurting the P2P systems originally designed to share non copyrighted data, that's just trying to find some limelite. i agree with what the RIAA is doing on focusing more on the users who are sharing copy right infringement, i also feel that they need to question the user as to whether he owns a legal version and is just excercising fair use. in anycase RTFA (article) it's really quite good
-- --fetch daddy's blue fright wig, i must be handsome when i release my rage
Re:Very intresting
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Scrameustache
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oh man, the submission didn't provide much detail, so i did something i, and most other/.'ers don't do often, i read the article
Good lord! Its a good thing most/.ers don't read the article! Could you imagine the slashdot effect if they did! The whole internet would blow up!
yes, i've often toyed with the idea of making an article on my friends website, hosted on his 256k shared dsl line, and then posting to slashdot, no matter how many times it would take to get it on the site...imagine the recourse! it would be slaughtered in seconds
-- --fetch daddy's blue fright wig, i must be handsome when i release my rage
this passes for an article?
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Anonymous Coward
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this strikes me as hopelessly weak. a front page article that consists entirely of a pointer to a kuro5hin article from 3 weeks ago.
Another one bites the dust...
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pympdaddyc
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*sigh* Why is it always the good ones that go down, while spyware whores like Kazaa run around free? (yes yes, I know the specific reasons, I'm speaking generally here).
At least we still have WinMX.
Re:Another one bites the dust...
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ktulu1115
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Point of clarification: The latest versions of AG had mandatory spyware built-in (ie: you could not remove it). The only around that was a hacked VX2.DLL (I forgot the URL). From what I also heard, AG made all users upgrade to the new version of the satellite, to enforce the use of the spyware.
Death to spyware!
-- # fuser -v/dev/attention | grep work
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Re:Another one bites the dust...
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pympdaddyc
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Interesting, I was unaware. At least they didn't add malice to their stupidity by having it silently install spyware (like Kazaa):\
AG was the best...
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Frank+of+Earth
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The only good thing about Napster was that it took the brunt of the traffic and hype from AG. While Napster was changing and millions of people were flooding the system, AG was running along quite happily.
Of course, the best feature was that you didn't have to search for the song. Just throw whatever you want in the queue, come back a little later and you had all the songs you wanted.
Re:WOOOO!! MY MCSE IS HERRREE!!
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Anonymous Coward
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Truely said like an unemployed GNU Hippy that's upset that MCSE's have jobs when they don't.
Conform and put food on the table, or grow out a beard, spank it to usenet pr0n, and enjoy your GNU Hippy-dom
Re:WOOOO!! MY MCSE IS HERRREE!!
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Anonymous Coward
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waaaah! mother fucker! cry me a river! work a factory job? heaven forbid! I unloaded trucks on a dock from 3:30 am to 8:30 am, went to class, then in the afternoon worked in the cosc labs, then on the weekend worked two 12 hour shifts cleaning floors to pay for school! So you worked hard to get through school? you know what that makes you? NOTHING SPECIAL. I might hire you for a student worker position, or a gant if you're in grad school, but if you're just a college punk looking for a real job, I wouldn't give you the time of day!
YOU are helping to kill these apps!
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monkeylich
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· Score: 1, Interesting
Remeber those commercials about how buying drugs helps support terroist activities? Well, with every over-priced CD we buy, we are funding an organization that is determined to systematically exterminate every single p2p app currently available. Congratulations on helping to kill another. Just say no to buying overpriced music! Just listen to the radio instead.
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All Hail the Monkey Lich...now fetch me some undead bananas!
Re:WOOOO!! MY MCSE IS HERRREE!!
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Anonymous Coward
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i agree with this post. there are far too many self-entitled, lazy children of the middle class who think hard work is optional. every one of the lazy shitbags under 30 I've mistakenly hired over the last 6 years has been a half-witted fucktard who thinks he can waltz in here, take 2 hour lunches, play with nerf guns and drink beer at 3pm. i dont know where they learned this shit. NEWSFLASH: it aint 1999. unless you have a strong work ethic, are extremely experienced, and know your shit, its time to think about a regular job, like landscaping or house painting.
And it is free
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Anonymous Coward
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I saw your post on here earlier. If they don't want to pay for the fucking music, what makes you think they want to pay for software that streams music.
Then they'd have to pay you, pay the ISP for increased bandwidth, and pay attention to the server.
Go peddle some where that you might find paying customers, you'll be happier that way.
RIAA is afraid of losing power over artists.
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uncoveror
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"I made you a star, and I can take it away!" This has been repeated by record company leeches to artists like a mantra. Peer to peer file sharing made it possible for artists to see that fans alone decide who is and isn't a star. This terrifies the recording industry. While Napster, Audiogalaxy, and the like were in their heyday, new artists were able to find their audiences without selling their souls. This pointed out how unneccesary the leeches really were. Read more at www.dontbuycds.org be sure to check out the article, What is piracy?
That's because they are not listed in the obituaries...they are buried in a small mass grave just outside of town. The bottom of the tombstone inscription reads: R.I.[A.A.]P.
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Crapdot News from birds. Stuff that splatters.
Verbal Dioherra
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Anonymous Coward
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Every time I've tried to read an article on k5 I've got bored after the first couple of paragraphs and given up...
What is it with these K5 people that they must use 17 paragraphs to say what could be said in one.
Re:WOOOO!! MY MCSE IS HERRREE!!
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Anonymous Coward
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>every one of the lazy shitbags under 30 I've mistakenly hired over the last 6 years has been a half-witted fucktard who thinks he can waltz in here, take 2 hour lunches, play with nerf guns and drink beer at 3pm.
Ever consider that when you pay your waiters minimum wage and expect them to make money from tips that they aren't going to be very pleased with their jobs?
I mean, I assume from what you've said you're a manager at Denny's. If not, I'm sorely mistaken. Perhaps you're actally a manager at Krispy Kreme.
The Moral Thing to do
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FreeUser
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The moral thing to do, of course, is to actually buy the CDs and put money towards the artist, to reimburse them for providing you with nice music.
No, the moral thing to do is to send the artist one or two dollars directly, rather than buying the CD.
Artists are generally at the mercy of the recording labels, and are typically paid $0.25 for each cd sold, while the recording label pockets the vast, vast majority of the profits. Supporting those institutions which are ripping off the artists, of which the recording industry is by far the worst offendor, is a very immoral act. Your $1.00 to the artist for downloading their entire CD off of whatever p2p or distributed service you use puts a great deal more money in their pocket than buying the CD legally does.
When it comes to buying the music online, where artists are paid fractions of a penny per song, the difference is even more pronounced and the artist treated even less fairly by the recording label. Download the ogg or mp3 file for free and pay the artist via fairtunes, or directly, instead. You will be doing a great deal more to support the artist than you will be if you go and buy their CD legally.
Note: I say this is the moral thing to do, not the legal thing to do (for those too clue-challenged to tell the difference). IANAL and am giving moral, or ethical, not legal, advice.
But the vast majority of college students are just too selfish to realise that.
Hearing that from someone who is promoting a "support the music industry, it is your moral imperetive" shill is really precious. I would simply point out that, for anyone defending the RIAA on this tack, to ponder the following words:
In comparison to what the Recording Industry has done to artists over the last 70 years, the p2p services and the worst non-commercial copyright violators on the planet are saints, and that includes those college students you so deride.
Well, that sounds good in theory, and I would like to support the artists, but if you don't buy the CD's the record labels ARE getting cheated. Remember that they spend money promoting the bands too. You might not get to hear some good bands because the record comanies did not "discover" them. Word of mouth and websites may work for some, but who has time to listen to every single artist. I'll admit that nowadays the record companies are not doing a very good job of selecting the cream of the crop, but you still need some process of selection.
Re:The Moral Thing to do
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Anonymous Coward
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> Remember that they spend money promoting the bands too. You might not get to hear some good bands because the record comanies did not "discover" them.
Guess what ? Online music communities would just do that.
And that's exactly what record label fear. The end of their business model.
How do you think those snazzy recordings got made? The record company put up the money to make them.
How do you think they got the chance to record in a world-class studio, with multi-million dollar equipment? The record company put up the money to record it.
How do you think they were able to shoot a fancy video? The record company put up the money to shoot it.
How do you think they were able to print all those CDs? The record company put up the money to print them.
I'm not saying that the artists shouldn't get paid more. I'm just saying that you have to understand that the record label has considerable expense in most of these situations.
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"A terrorist is someone who has a bomb but doesn't have an air force." -William Blum
Re:The Moral Thing to do
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Doug+Neal
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Yes... and the artist has to pay this money back to the record company, out of *their* (small) share of the profit. So until this "loan" is paid back the artist sees none of the money.
Re:The Moral Thing to do
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juventasone
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No, the moral thing to do is to send the artist one or two dollars directly, rather than buying the CD.
I think that's a great idea. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to do it. But consider this:
I would love to see a service (likely web-based) that (optionally) indexes your music, then gives you the choice of donating $1 per album directly to the artist. It would keep track of what you've paid for, and what the grand total is for donations to each artist/group. I bet the smaller bands would end up receiving just as much money as the pop groups. I'm sure the totals would quickly add up to enough to allow a living for any band that has enough fan support.
I also agree with some of the comments here that we don't need promoters anymore. The online fans would easily take care of that, for free.
Re:WOOOO!! MY MCSE IS HERRREE!!
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shepd
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> oh like Redhat doesn't release a new colonel every two or three months because its hackable
Fuck, you're totally right.
I mean, look at the marketing problems surrounding that. Imagine if KFC replaced Colonel Sanders every time it created a new flavour!
-- If you could be told what you can see or read, then it follows that you could be told what to say or think - BoC
what bothers me about services like this...
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httpamphibio.us
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So most of the artists on the site are there illegally... but there are a lot of independent artists and there are a lot of famous artists who want there songs there, plus services like audiogalaxy (napster, etc) claim that they exist to help promote unknown artists. so when they go turning off *everyone* on their site that just exemplifies how little they actually differentiate the artists that want to be there and the artists that don't (or can't for legal reasons).
-- sig.
Re:what bothers me about services like this...
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Johnny+Rocket
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exactly, i don't understand why they don't just use a master list of songs which are allowed on the sattelite, and block the rest. it's a lot easier than trying to block all the songs that are illegal to share.
-- "Please, how about a little less love and a little more common decency?"
- Kurt Vonnegut jr.
Re:what bothers me about services like this...
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Salsaman
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You sir, are an idiot for posting that.
So most of the artists on the site are there illegally...
Therein lies the problem. AG never actually *hosted* any of the artists they got sued for, they just allowing people to SEARCH FOR OTHER MACHINES WHICH DID HOST THEM. The RIAA apparently didn't care about that, even given that AG wasn't actually hosting the vast majority of the music - they (the RIAA) forced them to shut down their search of *everything*, including ARTISTS WHO ARE NOT SIGNED BY THE RIAA !!
Get it through your head that AG wasn't doing anything wrong, they were just acting as a search engine, the same as google or yahoo, but only for files whose last four characters happened to be '.mp3' !
I doubt XP runs on a C64
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Or are you too stupid to spell linux correctly?
Re:New information for all Lunix users
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How many Lunix users are there anyway? Is Lunix a new OS for lunatics? Where can I get a copy?
-- How ya like dat?
Re:WOOOO!! MY MCSE IS HERRREE!!
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nice try, kid. although you might wanna try a job like that. seems all you're qualified for.
...he paints. The victims story. When the shit got thick, they scrambled for cash...just like everyone else. (well, practically) Mebbe they thought they could fight the RIAA, or hold on...whatever.
He wasnt there the last few months he says and it shows. I used AG occasionally, mainly to dig up old punk rock/hardcore that just didnt come across usenet often enough.
The last time I grabbed the satellite, 'prolly in April or May '02, it was bundled with spyware, there was notification. A few times in '01 I grabbed versions and they were bundled with spyware which I do not recall being notified about. Only the first few versions that I RECALL did not have any bundle. I think I grabbed first one in '00? Mebbe late-mid '99?
I can't count how many times I said, when Napster and clones gained in popularity, that it would be the end of the *fun* (read: piracy) for everyone.
When Napster started to tank, I noticed an influx of clueless, off topic, shite flooding idiots on usenet. And the media attention, my god the media attention. I dunno, mebbe coincidence, but I just imagined the droves of clueless knuckleheads high on that "free stuff" vibe flocking to the newgroups looking to continue their plunder and impress their friends. I dunno, but the ng's look a lot different than they did a short year or two ago. Nothing like they did in 90's.
And *like* wow, all those "Napster" is dead/dying/gone/back stories...who really cares? Did anyone think even for a second that the subscription model would work? C'mon...
"Sean, grab a seat"
I dunno, mebbe true, mebbe I am old and jaded, but the idealism is just a little too much to stomach.
IMHO, the same thing that is keeping the gnutella network, and similar networks, alive is the same thing that will keep them from growing as fast. Because there isn't The Server to index all the files available, the searches take too much time for a typical, impatient user. But this also protects it from being shutdown, so I guess it's the handoff you have to make/accept. If it can make searches faster, I think that it will take off and hopefully still be insusceptible (sp) to the RIAA's wrath-o-evil.
Since each Gnutella client already acts as a distributed server, why not just take it a step further? Just have every client keep and store info about what others are making available. If a client could service each request not just by checking if it was there, but by checking the information it had on ten or twenty other clients, the number of times a request would have to be forwarded would plummet.
Sure, there would be problems handling outdated information. And the bandwidth necessary to trade databases has its own performance costs. But I don't see anything insurmountable about such a proposal.
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You want the truthiness? You can't handle the truthiness!
I agree - people accustomed to downloading music for free aren't the most likely sort to pay for software. However, believe it or not, plenty of folks decide to stick to a strict rip-my-CDs-only policy. And, generally, the pay-for versions are targeted for commercial use. Seems fair to me. -Scott
*The numbers in this rant were acquired from Sniffer Pro.*
Personally, I'm glad AG is down. At my university of choice AG was taking up, at any given time 50%-80% of the badnwidth. That is just ridiculous. It was the only (music) sharing software the campus hadn't blocked (aside from Good ol' Hotline, RIP). Of course, everyone knew how to use AG, 10 people used Hotline (myself included). Maybe.
It just got frustrating being taken down to 4K for legit downloads. My roommate started playing with Gentoo. That's a fun install if your bandwidth is castrated. When I was needing to do work, it was frustrating to know that I couldn't get decent connection rates because everyone else was getting their fix it Britney and N'Sync. Of course, I was also occasionally nabbing things from HL(got to test drive XP[thank you, but no]), but I didn't care what rates I got there. There was always a resume DL feature.
Though, honestly, it wouldn't have been as bad if they'd download and close the connection. I think 60-70% of the AG traffic was out-going.
If AG is truly dead, may they rest in peace. I, OTOH, enjoy my bandwidth.
Re:Finally
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This has been mentioned before, but www.phynd.net offers a sort of intranet solution. At my college I administer it, and the ITS department has Oficially denied any knowledge of it. I think just about everyone finds it a more palatable solution.
The skinny is it's a program called phynd that indexes all the shared, unpassworded folders on the network and provides an easily searchable database, which makes for fast finding of almost any file, fast downloading, and no hogging of external bandwidth.
I would like to point out that AG has a "Bandwidth Throttle" option, which was one of the reasons I really liked it--I could set the bandwidth throttle to near-minimal and even when I was at nearly deserted educational institution over the summer, sitting on a barely used T1, it would only use slightly more than modem-rate bandwidth.
The "download and close" option is the one supported by my college's IT department (well, under the "if you must use the app" heading), but I find that to be a horrible solution--if everyone did that, there would be nothing to download because it would never stay online. That defeats the way p2p is supposed to work--you're essentially turning a p2p community into a client/server environment, which doesn't work in a grander scheme.
Some colleges and universities have begun to limit bandwith usage for p2p file sharing like Kazaa; a small, but not too tiny percentage is set aside for it. That way, you can still download and share your video and music files, and if you complain to the IT department that it's too slow, they'll laugh and tell you that you shouldn't be doing that stuff anyway. In my first 3 years of college, the network went down at least 4 times a week, due largely to AG, Napster, and Kazaa. The network was saturated for about 12 hours a day. Even when our pipe was quadrupled in size, things stayed the same. When the limit was put in on p2p bandwith, the network went down only once in my last semester.
-- "...today consumers have been conditioned to think of beer when they see a bullfrog..."
the problem with a bandwidth throttle is that no matter how much you throttle it, when 10000 people on one network are using it, it ruins the bandwidth for legitimate downloads.
If you go to an east coast school paying $30G's / yr for tuition, then you deserve all the bandwidth you can eat.
If I was at a school that did that, I'd be reconsidering the Ferrari that those 4 years burned through.
-- ~A'Ëq'i4d)^'$ÊSÈòB
Re:WOOOO!! MY MCSE IS HERRREE!!
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First, Linus originally create and now helps maintain the linux kernel, not the other parts of the linux operating system.
Second, the only reason microsoft is doing a "code audit" is because their code was so poorly written to be with corporate clients were moving to BSD, Solaris, HP-UX, and Linux. Every week there is a major vulnerability with some Major Microsoft code.
Would you be happy spending $50,000 on a software product to find out it has holes. Atleast with linux, there are alternatives and you are not waivered down with licensing up the wazoo.
Fun with word wrapping...
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Enry
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What I miss is the "bright" and "young" aspect. The Silicon Valley of 2002 seems to have gotten a lot older. It makes sense -- most of the young people like myself moved out when they got laid
Found something more interesting than coding, eh?
"so called spy-ware"
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so-called spyware
I actually have to agree with the author in thiscase. "Spyware" wasn't the most accurate name for what came bundled with Audiogalaxy. Whereas Gator and that stupid purple ape thing are "spyware", the stuff that was bundled with Audiogalaxy was more like having Back Orifice or some other "I 0wNz j00" trojan on your system. Rather than just tracking which sites you visited and reporting back to its home company, Audiogalaxy's spyware actually reported your web mail, credit card numbers, address, and whatever else you decided to put into a form back to its home company.
The RIAA disgusts me, but the people from Audiogalaxy almost reach the same level, especially since this author's "hey, it pays the bills" justification is probably the exact thing that was going through the RIAA's mind each time they've sued a P2P software company out of existence. In both cases, the companies are doing whatever it takes to keep making money, and it's the average person that's getting screwed over by their actions while the more technologically literate among us just head elsewhere.
Because the indexing worked so well, that meant you could queue up a song and the system had a good idea of where to find it. It would look for someone who had a file with the same artistID/songID pair, and then alert the two clients to begin the transaction. Once you began downloading a particular file, it would make sure you would only get the file with that specific file size/check sum. Doing it this way also allowed the satellites to resume easily and transparently. It was awesome to jump on the web site before you went to bed, queue up a few hundred songs, and when you woke up in the morning most of them were there. You didn't have to care about who had the songs, it did that for you. I can't stand having to micromanage my downloads, having to pick 5 different versions of a file to assure myself of getting one of them. Some of the newer p2p apps are much better at this, but still none can compare.
YES! This is, by far, what made AudioGalaxy so much better then Gnutella, OpenNap, KaZaa, FastTrack, and any of the others. The result of the above feature is that you could find the rarest stuff out there, because the system would automatically start transfering the song when it found a host.
Does anybody know of any other applications which operate in a similar manner?
Re:Yes!
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edonkey2000 does this (though that should soon be replaced with a new network).
BS Donkey is more alike kazaa and the others... Then website site thing and trhe availabitly of obscure things, made GA going
Re:Yes!
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Been using Gr*ks*er quite happily lately - not so hot for the rarer stuff, true, but speed tends to be pretty good if your tend your downloads. For my money ED2K is still the way to go for the big stuff...
Actually, Edonkey is somewhere in between kazaa and AG. It identifies files via checksums. Much better than Kazaas filename and size-identification.(although the constant hashing drives me nuts) The ability to download from multiple scources increases by scores that way. And while online, it constantly searches for alternative scources. And the interface kicks ass. You can see exactly how your download is progressing. me like alot. But its best for movies, the shared MP3 base among the users aint much.
AG took it one step further with their index server. It means you can actually search for songs that are not online, and queue them for download. The web interface even made it possible to browse, search and queue froma remote machine. Brilliant.
Another thing that I will miss from AG are the Groups. Join a group, and other members or the group starts sending you songs without you searching for them. This way I found 10 to 15 new artists that I didnt even knew existed - every day. And Ive buyed scores of albums thanks to what the group shoved my way.
In my biassed opinion, Andromeda [turnstyle.com] is consistantly among Freshmeat's most popular MP3 projects [freshmeat.net] for a reason. Anyways, the free version is free.
Peer to Peer for friends
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So, I've got a question.
Is there any P2P sharing software where I can specify which people have access to my ogg & mp3 files? What I think would be nice (and in keeping with the home audio recording act) is a program where I explicitly enter my friends (any they explicitly enter me), and then we can browse through each other's collections and share music.
I realize there's a couple ways to do this at the filesystem level with Linux, but most of my friends are non-technical windows users, and a simple point and click interface would be a big gain for them.
Any ideas?
Re:Peer to Peer for friends
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RIMPS http://sourceforge.net/projects/rimps/
Re:Peer to Peer for friends
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Try out Soulseek - its got a Napster like client that allows you to build a buddy-list and you can specify exactly how many uploads you'll allow at any given time to the buddy-list members and how many to everyone else.
-- Understanding is a three edged sword. - Ambassador Kosh Naranek, Babylon 5
Re:Peer to Peer for friends
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dreamfactory
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You may be interested in bulletproof ftp server, very nice. set up a direct connection to your pc and select the files you want. all you need is your ip and ask your friends to do ftp://your.ip.number.here and off you go. you can add passwords, filter directories etc.
I found it really useful for friends to log in and download what they want off my 1 meg connection.
The url is http://www.bftpserver.com
hope it helps.
Re:Peer to Peer for friends
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maybe check out the file sharing features of the AOL IM client.. people can reqest your file list, and get stuff from you without you being there.
Re:Peer to Peer for friends
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To all slashdotters out there just dying to put their two cents in:
Get your ass down to kuro5hin and post over there! If you happen to have an intelligent, well-thought remark regarding this writing, then please post your messages on the site that ORIGINALLY RAN THE STORY!
OTOH, if you have nothing better to say than "OMG, I'm SO going to miss AG! It ROOLD!!!", by all means please abstain.
Re:Due credit to K5
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If anyone posted an intelligent, well-thought remark on K5, it would stand out like a rose in the middle of a compost heap.
Re:WOOOO!! MY MCSE IS HERRREE!!
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ok i really hate to bite at a troll but, here goes. recently we decided to replace our front end webservers with a Linux solution. we had 4 of them behind a load balancer. we were running NT 4.0 with IIS for like 5 years, no problems. anywyas this new UNIX admin we hired was like, we can do this cheaply, and with Linux for more reliability. We were like, ok lets give it a go. Precisely 3 days after the new Linux webservers went up, all four boxes were rooted and the index.html's replaced with a "Goatse" picture. anyone who has seen this picture knows its nasty. Now to make matters worse our company sells children's educational software. so you can imagine the many irate calls and emails we got about this. needless to say, we shitcanned Mr. Unix and brought our NT 4.0 boxes back from the closet. this NEVER happened in years of running NT 4.0 and i'm sure it WONT happen again as long as we stay Microsoft.
It's simply expensive to tour
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Think about it. A bar holds 200 people, if they are lucky that many will show up, who pay $8-12 a pop, there are 2-3 bands playing that makes $2000, split between as few as 10 people makes it about $200 per person (don't forget the roadie or 2 and they have to pay the sound guy), they need somewhere to sleep, to drive 200 miles between venues, and meals, usually dinner is provided by the venue, but breakfast and lunch is not. Profit comes down to less than $100 per show, and it is damned fucking hard work.
Re:It's simply expensive to tour
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If your band can only fill a 200 person bar on a 3 band ticket, then you're not going to be profitable no matter what. There have been some great bands in that position, but never any profitable ones.
However, if you're able to draw 1000 fans or so in an urban setting, if you aren't making enough money to at least pay for equipment, hotels, and studio time, then someone is giving you the shaft.
as someone on VH1s "1 hit wonders" said "first thing you gotta do is get a good accountant and a good lawyer, and then get another good lawyer to look after those two guys"
-- In Capitalist America, bank robs you!
Re:It's simply expensive to tour
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Amusingly, I already linked that in another thread on here. I've been involved in helping bands tour, and I currently book shows. Tours can, and do, make money. NOT if you run it like the band in the Baffler article - that is, letting your "managers" handle everything. The bands that make money from touring are either popular, or simply smart. The more things you handle on your own, the less cuts come out. Instead of letting the record company handle your mechandise (and reap the majority of the profits), you arrange for them to be made, or better yet - make them yourself. It's mind-numbingly easy to screen shirts. You can make 200 in an afternoon at a cost of about $3 a shirt. If you sell these for $10 a pop, that's $1400 profit right there. Shirt sales and alnare the thing that keeps most small bands going on the road, more than door receipts.
Re:WOOOO!! MY MCSE IS HERRREE!!
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self-entitled, lazy children of the middle class who think hard work is optional. every one of the lazy shitbags under 30 I've mistakenly hired over the last 6 years has been a half-witted fucktard who thinks he can waltz in here, take 2 hour lunches, play with nerf guns and drink beer at 3pm
sweet doode right on da money, employees, especially yours should work 110% of the time and hate your guts, that'a way to force productivity. Just cause you're a half-ass doesn't mean we all are. Your post made me think of.... "It is better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
-well if ya didn't have the need to feel superior and get your block off (your shoulder, as is so common in these fields) you would have hired someone more knowledgeable than you, they are not hard to find, yo can I paint your house?
Re:WOOOO!! MY MCSE IS HERRREE!!
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hey moron.. i DONT have a MCSE, I refuse to EVER get one and I make more money than you, and am still in demand.. I get headhunter calls weekly.... funny in a tech-econ downturn why am I still very marketable???
Must be because i LACK an MCSE so therefore I am known as someone with skills.
dumbass.
Re:New information for all Lunix users
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Please refer here for Lunix information. It does exist.
It is so left wing that it make communists
look like Rush Limbaugh
Um, try to decide; are they liberals (ie. central, neither left nor right-wing), or leftists? From the rant it seems latter, but referring to Gore & Hillary make me wonder, neither of them being particularly leftist nor liberal.
... yeah yeah, I should know better. For some peculiar reason, mainstream US political lingo is equating liberal to communist. Sigh. Just like in Russia (ex-)communists are called "conservatives", as they long for olden times of centralized communist regime.
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Re:Liberal != communist
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I call nationalized health care, a fear of the internal combustion engine, tax and spend economics, abortion on demand, and excessive gun control pretty damn liberal and leftist in my book.
I call nationalized health care, a fear of the internal combustion engine, tax and spend economics, abortion on demand, and excessive gun control pretty damn liberal and leftist in my book.
That sounds progressive to me.
-- I make a reasonable middle-class wage by going to work and not spamming blogs with scams.
I call nationalized health care, a fear of the internal combustion engine, tax and
spend economics, abortion on demand, and excessive gun control pretty damn
liberal and leftist in my book.
Nationalized health-care is neither liberal nor non-liberal. It is leftist, granted (and still adopted by most west-european countries, even those without strong socialistish governments).
Fear of polluting the globe to death is not limited to liberal or socialists.. I hope.
"Excessive" gun control is a term not commonly understood outside US of A; and certainly controls suggested by Woody & Klingon would be pretty much mainstream anywhere else (and laissez-faire fire arms tactics would be a fringe movement).
However, restrictions are seldom related to liberalism... so it's just that people for (sane) gun controls are labeled liberals or communists or whatever; instead of there being ideological connection.
Tax and spend economics are leftist, but not liberal (liberals probably would tend to be somewhere between vulture capitalism and centralized communism).
"Abortion-on-demand" is, once again, phrase only understood in religion-ridden countries, plus USA. Having abortion available is the standard in western countries, and except for some of more catholic-oriented countries (Ireland, Italy?) it seldom is considered to be any sort of a problem. Neither socialism nor liberalism has much to say about this subject, although communist countries used to have reasonably loose rules regarding abortion (possibly related to official loathing of religions communist regimes had).
FWIW, I think that mr. Gore was too much of a corporate and religious-right asskisser (during campaing... probably nothing genuine, I hope), and his wife hysteric "somebody please think of our children" idiot, supporting censorship. And mrs. Clinton had weird ideas about who actually was voted as the acting president. So my biggest worry would be tarnishing reputation of liberals or socialists, not that these terms were used "against" the aforementioned couple.
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I like paying taxes. With them I buy civilization -- Oliver Wendell Holmes
Re:Liberal != communist
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I'll respond point-by-point if you don't mind.
Nationalized health-care is neither liberal nor non-liberal. It is leftist, granted (and still adopted by most west-european countries, even those without strong socialistish governments).
We already have a good health-care system in the US, even though some reform is needed (Are the drug companies price gouging? Do insurance companies use objective criteria to place patients in their respective risk pools? Are HMO's/PPO's practicing medicine without a license?). A full nationalization could give the US a system similar to the Canadian or French health programs, which don't work and chew an inordinate amount of their national budget for the QoS that is given.
Fear of polluting the globe to death is not limited to liberal or socialists.. I hope
I'm not a big fan of fossil fuels, but its the best solution we have at the momment for personal transportation. I think people would buy a fuel cell/hybrid/full electric if the auto manufacturers actually built a car that looked good, was big enough to tote the family around comfortably, and wasn't a death trap compared to the rest of the vehicles on the road. We do need to reduce our dependence on oil from non-friendly nations, I would love to see an American company say flat out they will only use New World and/or European oil, I think it would draw in people sick of funding terrorists and America bashers. Obectivity needed to be used in the case of ANWR, the plans called for total impacted land as a result of drilling to be less than 2000 acres out of an area the size of South Carolina, I could live with that to add 10% more crude to domestic production. We do need to build more fission plants for bulk electricity as it is the cleanest soultion availabile, but for what dams have been created, hydroelectric generators should be installed to add additional grid capacity.
"Excessive" gun control is a term not commonly understood outside US of A; and certainly controls suggested by Woody & Klingon would be pretty much mainstream anywhere else (and laissez-faire fire arms tactics would be a fringe movement). However, restrictions are seldom related to liberalism... so it's just that people for (sane) gun controls are labeled liberals or communists or whatever; instead of there being ideological connection.
The 1937 and 1968 gun laws placed reasonable restrictions on gun ownership and destructive device possession, those laws ensure that gun and ammunition taxes are funneled into wildlife conservation and keep nutjobs from owning fully automatic weapons (machine guns), unsafe weapons (Zip guns, sawed-off shotguns) and rocket launchers. The 1993 Brady act however had several thorny issues. First of all, banning weapons just based on their outward appearance is just plain silly, guns should be judged based on their usefulness for personal defense or hunting, not because they have an unconvential look. The background check mechanism I don't mind now that it is done in real time, the whole waiting period was not needed. Enforcement of the 1937 and 1968 laws are all that is needed, if those laws were used to the greatest power, if an individual used a gun in a violent manner, they would be confined away from society for a signifigant period of time, like they need to be.
Tax and spend economics are leftist, but not liberal (liberals probably would tend to be somewhere between vulture capitalism and centralized communism).
I don't mind paying taxes, but I would like to see results when my money is poured into a project. I drive on public roads, I enjoy having the worlds greatest armed forces defending our freedoms. At the same time, does Head Start actually help prepare children for school or is it free day care for unfit parents or do welfare recipients utilize the programs available to dig themselves out of poverty to become productive and happy members of society, or are they freeloading off my hard-earned paycheck? Do we need another self-propelled artillery piece or a tilt-wing airplane?
"Abortion-on-demand" is, once again, phrase only understood in religion-ridden countries, plus USA. Having abortion available is the standard in western countries, and except for some of more catholic-oriented countries (Ireland, Italy?) it seldom is considered to be any sort of a problem. Neither socialism nor liberalism has much to say about this subject, although communist countries used to have reasonably loose rules regarding abortion (possibly related to official loathing of religions communist regimes had).
Abortion rides the left wing in the US, especially late-term varieties, both Ms. Rodham-Clinton and Mr. Gore have supported abortion measures, which I was using to demonstrate their leanings.
FWIW, I think that mr. Gore was too much of a corporate and religious-right asskisser (during campaing... probably nothing genuine, I hope), and his wife hysteric "somebody please think of our children" idiot, supporting censorship.
And mrs. Clinton had weird ideas about who actually was voted as the acting president. So my biggest worry would be tarnishing reputation of liberals or socialists, not that these terms were used "against" the aforementioned couple.
Gore is not very realistic when it comes to several environmental issues and his fisical policy, which are my main gripes with the man. As for his supposed ass kissing of the religous right, you must remember he is from the south, and just like Mr. Clinton, he attempted to portray a bit of down-to-earth charm and moderate tendencies by courting these groups. Unfortunately, Clinton had just pulled the same stunt 8 years earlier and everyone remembered how things had changed post election. Gore didn't even win his "home" state because of the clinton backlash (Other than his stint in vietnam and college, I believe his primary residence has been in DC, thanks to his dad, who was a good democrat, much like several others who have been replaced by todays leftist democrats). As for Tipper, let me go on record saying she is a stupid bitch on par with Hillary Rosen. Let the damned market decide what is obscene, if it is, people won't buy it. I mean, would some of the late Beatles albums have been banned from wal-mart because of their blatant drug references? Or how about Jimi Hendrix's violent and sexually explicit songs, would they have carried a warning sticker or have edited versions? As for Hillary, she just seems shady in my book and her policies don't line up well with mine or most of america, but you wacky new yorkers elected her, so she's your problem now.
Fair enough. Although I somewhat disagree with some points, the point I was mostly trying to make was that the term "liberal" is unfortunately being used to label certain mix of political views, that is not close to the original meaning of liberal.
I think the simplest explanation is to say that US republicans are liberals in economic issues (plus things like firearms rights), but not in social issues (ie. they tend to support measures for limiting many of rights of expression, censoring porn, preventing equal rights for gays etc. etc.). Democrats on the other hand are more liberal in social issues (with the weird exception of Political Correctness, which is very non-liberal thing), but favour more society control in economic issues.
In a way, libertarians are "most liberal" of them all, yet they are often view as right-wing people. I guess in many ways they are both too liberal and too idealistic for my taste. Weird.
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I like paying taxes. With them I buy civilization -- Oliver Wendell Holmes
Re:Liberal != communist
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Thats one of the problems with the fractionalization of the political systems here in the US, once you get past state representative races, canidates tend to toe the party line instead of voting in the best interest of their constituency. I lean to the republican side on many issues, but for others I am a bit of a black sheep. One issue with your statement about preventing equal rights for gays. I'm a firm beliver in that our nation needs to respect the rights of all people, as outlined by the Constitution as a whole. What I and many republican's detest is programs that favor one group over another. Hate crimes laws are one example. It shouldn't matter if a person kills someone over money, a signifigant other, their color, their sexual orientation, or for sport. Murder is murder, robbery is robbery, punish the action, not the thoughts of the offender. Affirmative action quotas or incentives is another. A company should feel free to promote, hire, or contract with the individual who will fit best, whether based on talent, merit, or cost. If it does not affect the persons ability to do the job, why should it even be a factor? Personally, if sweeping campaign finance reform was enacted, with strict enforcement, our system of government would work the kninks it has developed since WWII. Ban corporate, union, and lobbyist donations, but allow individuals to donate as much as they chose to a canidate. Remove election subsidizing from the Gov't as well. The polictical parties should only be clearinghouses for information, research, and development of campign materials. Once the stream of money->canidate is established, you will see a cleaner political system where all parties from fringe to mainstream are involved based on their ability to motivate like-minded individuals to support their platform.
I lean to the republican side on many issues, but for others I am a bit of a black
sheep. What I and many republican's detest is programs
that favor one group over another. Hate crimes laws are one example.
Interestingly, I could say I more often agree with democrats, but that I too dislike
hate crime laws (plus the whole "political correctness" movement... but I don't want to spend too much time ranting about that one), and mostly exactly for
the reasons you point out. "Law is blind" is actually meant to be a good thing (meaning law is impartial, unbiased, objective).
"Thought police" can't even reliably determine motives, and
if it could, I don't think ideological killing can reliably and justifiably be punished on moral grounds.
Besides, in case of hate crimes, it should be fairly easy to prove pre-meditated intention to murder, if the fear is that cold-blooded killers are more likely to commit such crimes (I don't know if that's true... but that's the stereotypic image of a racist hate-killer?)
As to political party lines, I guess part of them is a "necesary evil" (not nearly all). To reach necessary consensus on a single issue (and to guarantee it's voted upon too), it's sometimes necessary to "trade votes".:-/ That's bad, but the alternative sometimes would be that nothing could be decided on, or at least no consistent sets of laws could be enacted. Especially with things like tax laws, bigger "packages" of laws have to pass, and negotiating those with hundreds of politicians (instead of having hierarchic system, where leaders of parties usually negotiate after meeting with party members) would be impractical.
I don't think anyone likes the fact that's how things go... but sometimes it may be lesser of evils?
--
I like paying taxes. With them I buy civilization -- Oliver Wendell Holmes
The best part about Audiogalaxy, though, was the community....
To this day, I still have not found any other system that provided as
seamless a union between meeting people who like your kinds of music
and finding new music itself.
Sure, lots of other systems let you
trade files, but Audiogalaxy created a community.
Perhaps AG or something like it could keep the community angle
going, even without the P2P approach. If all the music
were sent out from servers, then it would be possible to
control what was available. The RIAA would have nothing to
complain about.
This is apparently how AG worked in its middle phase:
... soon they decided to start offering free web space to musicians who
wanted to promote their music. Artists or labels could use the
web-based interface to post their mp3s onto the site so that anyone
could download them. Along with articles and reviews by a small music
staff, AG began to grow.
Rather than trying to support such an endeavor with revenue from
ads or spyware, why not charge a monthly fee?
My understanding, based on what I've read here on/., is that
$5 per month could pay for
a fair amount of traffic.
The Aimster (now Madster) Story
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Evro
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I used to work at Aimster, and received their shaft when the CEO (John Deep) decided not to pay anybody, and let them continue working without telling them there wasn't any money left. Apparently they're now making some money off the work of the backs of now-laid-off programmers, which must be a great business model, though I don't know how I could live with myself doing what they did.
Here are some links to some journal entries I wrote as the stuff was happening:
Remember: everything you've ever been read about Aimster in the press was a lie. It was not created by John Deep, nor his daughter (Madeline, called Aimster as a way to launch her "modeling career" on the backs of the programmers).
Another tidbit: February 14, 2001 - Video (Real Player only, apparently) of John Deep at the O'Reilly P2P conference, where he babbled on for a very long time (about 12 minutes) about how his daughter is the software and other stupid garbage. You can see that he sounds really crazy here, especially compared to people like Ray Ozzie who actually have legitimate business experience.
-- rooooar
Funny, Gnucleus is working pretty well
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Anonymous Coward
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I guess it's not P2P then.
your options are...
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Anonymous Coward
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You're going to take one hell of a beating for that. Check the links on the page below for more consistent tech news. You'll see a few familiar names; just skip them.
I was about to go on a merciless tirade about careless/. editors who double-post stories, until your post made me recall the truth. Apparently, the story I was deja-vuing about was on k5 and not on Slashdot.
So, what, I'm confusing/. stories and k5 stories now? *shudder* What next? Total mental collapse? =)
For some reason, I remember the story I was deja-vuing about being just Mindless Link Propagation to some major news site. Of course, a quick check reveals that it isn't. I don't know why I remember it that way -- K5 moderators don't let as blatant MLP posts through to the front page as easily as the Slashdot PtBs do. At least some poor slashdot editor isn't guilty of MLPP (what MLPing an MLP post would be).
"What's next, they're gonna make chips outta chicken feathers?"
Don't joke about that, man. =)
This story proves the RIAA's real motives
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Uttles
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How does something gain value? There are a few ways, but the best way for something that's readily available to gain value is to manufacture scarcity. That's right, make people think they can't get the stuff anywhere else, and all of the sudden you can charge them an arm and a leg for it.
This is what the RIAA has done, and continues to do. This is why the RIAA wants to make mp3 sharing illegal, unless of course you're paying them for songs on their labels. You see, if we can share any music we ever find, on a label or not, popular band or garage band, then the manufactured scarcity of good music is destroyed, and therefore it loses it's monetary value. When that happens, the bands will start making all the money off of touring or other means, because with all that competition they'll actually have to earn their money, and that will in turn put the RIAA and those big labels out of business because they won't be needed. Who needs sony's promotion when people just want to see your concert because they heard all your mp3's?
I could go on and on about this, but I just wanted to say a quick word or two because reading this article really made me see that this little theory of mine is pretty close to what's actually happening. AG and it's community really did open my eyes up to music I never would have appreciated before, and some of the band names I had never heard of and haven't heard of since. There's great music out there by all sorts of people and the only reason the RIAA, labels, or anyone for that matter can make money from a lot of the crap bands (like the lip-synching N-SYNC) is because they unethically (and hopefully one day illegally) control the market so that people can't get access to other, more original, artists.
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~ now you know
Re:This story proves the RIAA's real motives
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fougasse
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How does something gain value? There are a few ways, but the best way for something that's readily available to gain value is to manufacture scarcity.
In general, yeah, I agree. But how exactly are RIAA members manufacturing scarcity when it comes to music? Obviously they're not making the music they have the rights to scarce. You seem to be arguing that they conspire to make music they don't have the rights to -- i.e. indie music -- scarce. I don't agree. Obviously, they're not great pals with non-RIAA labels, but every record store I've ever been in has sold at least some discs from minor labels, and most largish towns have a store that sells mostly minor-labels records -- the product is available. Yes, RIAA artists get tons more promotion, but this is a direct result of larger promotional budgets -- spending more money on advertising than your competitors is not anticompetitive. Yes, commercial radio plays almost exclusively major-label music, but most markets have college/indepedent stations, and commercial radio isn't the RIAA's fault -- it's the result of radio conglomerates and the indie promoters they've spawned, a system which requires big bucks, and which the RIAA can't really be faulted for spending.
The primary reason they want to make mp3 sharing illegal has nothing to do with suppressing indie or "manufacturing scarcity". It is quite simply that they think, correctly or incorrectly, that it's making them lose money. The logic goes like this: Bob downloaded this new album off Audiogalaxy -> had Bob purchased the album, we'd have gained $8 -> if Audiogalaxy were shut down, that $8 would be ours! Flawed or not, that's the argument. Yes, Audiogalaxy was a great source for obscure music, and yes, Audiogalaxy led to me discovering tons of new bands, both minor- and major-label. But that doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of the music traded on Audiogalaxy belonged to the major labels, and suppressing it was a straightforward, if shortsighted, protection of their own business interests.
It's nice to paint the RIAA as the ultimate demon thug, and while they've been less than enlightened when it comes to technology, I don't think they've done anything your average trade group wouldn't when it comes to competing with non-member labels. Tossed-off attacks on N-Sync notwithstanding (interjection: there is such a thing as personal taste, and lip-synching or not, it IS possible that people don't share your keeping-it-real, rockist aesthetic and actually LIKE their music!), the RIAA hasn't being making anything scarce.
The Question RIAA wil never ask Consumers(Cust..)
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linuxislandsucks
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Question: You the music consumer, will you spend $10 to go into a store and at a kiosk pick an choose your music tracks to burn on CD?
Seems the perfect solution but wiat than how does RIAA members get us to buy bloated albums then?
Trials in Australia are already happenign with these burn your won music kiosks..it wil come to US as well..
The old business model of labels in selling bloated albums adn the RIAA is dead we just have not buried them yet!
But the funeral pyre is being heated up as we speak..
My experience with audiogalaxy..
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zeno_2
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I was a user of napster for a bit, I was on dial up at the time, so it was a slow process, but I did download songs..
When napster shut down, the next thing I went to was audiogalaxy.. I had also got a cable modem at about that time, and I probably downloaded 20 gigs of mp3's that first month that I had it.
One of the things that I thought made audiogalaxy the best way of searching for music was that when you searched on an artist lets say, it would show you what other artists people had searched for that had also searched for the artist that I was searching for. This opened me up to a lot of music that I had otherwise not known about.
They also had all the music categorized by the genre, and I could sit there and browse thru these for days on end.
Its too bad that its gone, but luckily I think I have all the music I would want now, and I can grab the few songs I might need here and there from kazaa-lite..
Re:Mirror -- haha.
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Anonymous Coward
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I think it's kind of funny that so much controversy has been going on over what is basically a re-engineeering of one of the oldest internet services. Why not just resurrect Archie?
(and it wasn't even intended as one, yet I still get at least one troll-style response each week! W00T!)
-- If you could be told what you can see or read, then it follows that you could be told what to say or think - BoC
Young and not so bright...
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MosesJones
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Strange isn't it how all those old farts stuck out at those old companies, the IBM's, the GE's, Lockheed et al. And the "bright" young things disappear for 2 years....
2 years later the "bright" young things come back to the office that is still there, still profitable and still delivering.
And the "bright" young thing doesn't see that maybe its actually a hard job to deliver decent software and that experience counts, and talent counts more. And most of all doesn't think
"All of these guys here could have worked for a.com with their experience..... but they didn't"
The art of these guys is seeing a fuck-up happening and getting the hell away from it. Whereas the "bright" young things believed in a new economy that would replace everything that went before and that the whole world order would fall and eToys would beat Toys R Us, where "TedsOfficeSupplies.com" would beat Staples and of course where Abercrombie and Gap would be destroyed by Boo.com.
In terms of who is bright, I don't think the lightbulbs are with the young.
-- An Eye for an Eye will make the whole world blind - Gandhi
Re:Young and not so bright...
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Anonymous Coward
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Funny how the old guys are still there only because the young turks saved their ass with 20 hour work days.
This isn't a question of who is "bright" or not. The young members of the tech field were filled with youthful idealism. They still believed in the American Dream; that a little guy could be number one. That the corporate bullshit which plagued the 80s and 90s could be torn down and rebuilt anew. I will grant you that a large number of dot coms were fucked from the first investment capital to fall into their hands, but there were many competent dot coms that were crushed by the self-consumed stock market.
The only thing the old school biz guys have done is perpetuate an outmoded business model. The societal revolution is still coming..you have just added more fuel to the fire, as the average joe becomes more affected by corporate scandal and the me-first attitude of old school business.
Re:Young and not so bright...
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Anonymous Coward
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Damn! You're grouchy, "old thing!"
Open Source P2P
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Anonymous Coward
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Maybe I'm simply an anarchist who wants to watch while the RIAA get it in the bum, or an idealist to watch the 'people' get their way. Whatever the case may be, How about open Source P2P client/servers?
What if AudioGalaxy, Napster, Gnutella, etc... released their source code?
What about decentralized serving?
Conceptually I can see a few issues "where does it go for the first time if it's decentralized?", etc.
Support the artists, not the RIAA or Labels. So what, will the RIAA will try and sue everyone?
Very simple ideology of common law taxation: If you don't support the government, don't pay your "voluntary tax". The government will fall, and another one will take it's place. Neither Governments, Corporations or Humans can exist without money.
Harness the money of the masses.
Automated Mesh mailing List Software
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Ex-MislTech
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I would not miss p2p programs, if someone knew
how to write a program that essentially
functioned like a advanced mailing list .
With all the regular mailing list commands,
and used automatic segmentation at say 100KB
and CRC checking of binary attachments .
wrap it all with a PGP plug in or an open
source equivalent of your choice .
You have secure, encrypted, easily manageable
file trading .
The add-on would be a GUI to drive the test
commands, and search features, and an
indexing system of available files .
make the updates to the index less frequent to
reduce data on the network, and use a Tree
topology for the Index based on continous
time connected .
You rate users length of connectivity, and
the longest connected person has the most
expansive index file, and this propagates
down the tree to the recent sign ons .
new users sign on, are picked up by their
closest peers, and it propagates up the
tree, and once it is at top, it goes back
down the tree .
Only top tier servers will incur higher traffic .
For example, you could subscribe to "enigma"
and your software would check the index of
available vs. an index file of what you have
and "request" the ones you don't have .
The index file of what you have could be in
2 parts, what is available for download, and
what has been movd to cd-r, or other offline
storage .
essentially if subscribed to enigma and the
new album came out, you would not even have
to request it, it would just show up when
it was made available .
Each user would be their own mail server, and
could CC: send to many users at once, thus
utilizing less bandwidth .
If 12 ppl on the same branch request the same
file, it could trickle down from one mail
server filing the request, saving bandwidth .
The nature of mail would offer direct ties to
how the newsgroups work, and the similarly
related code .
The mail broadcast idea similar to spam, is
spam that is wanted , vs. spam that is adverts.
Just a thought...
-- google "32 trillion offshore needs IRS attention"
Britney, darn it!
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Anonymous Coward
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AG seems to have caved in rather easily to RIAA pressure (consider their relatively early implementation of some file blocking, and their recent switch to subtractive blocking since additive blocking wasn't doing a very good job). I'm not sure if they even have the resources for a good legal defense, let alone a move offshore.
P.S. Your spelling is great. But your reasoning about English majors and correct spelling is a bit sloppy. =)
Spyware in AG
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MADCOWbeserk
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While I agree that AG really did start shoving spyware down its users throats, you had many alternatives to the "official" AG satellite. The source was free, and there were several third-party satellites that didn't have spyware. I don't think they were really money grubbing as you suggest, but they needed to earn money somehow in order to support the servers and pay thier salaries. AG could have folded long ago due to bankrupcy.
AG was the best system for music, nothing else can match its organization and variety without having a central server. Decentralized P2P can never match centralized P2P.
I would have liked this former AG employee to have talked about how Audiogalaxy censored posts. I know if you type in a curse it gets deleted automatically, but I would have polticial conversations that would get deleted. It would have been nice if he clued us in on this process. Does anyone here know the answer?
..you could be describing Apple or Microsoft in the 70s
Maybe it's just as well your dot com went the way of James Dean...
Fuck the label companies
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Anonymous Coward
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sorry for the spelling (fuck it). I fucken hate it when people (label companies) take fucken advantage of some guys with talent(band) just so they can get richer and richer and pay for their expensive gay boyfriends. If by downloading music I hurt the band am sorry! i hurt more the label company FUCKE THEM! fucke greddy ass bastards. I will do anything to support the band, even if it means paying them the 15 bucks in cash directly than buying the CD. I just makes me so mad when people that are already rich (label companies) wants to keep fucking people who are just desperate to show their talent at any cost.
Time to re-think p2p
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emil
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Self-contained, proprietary p2p agents will be stomped by the RIIA et al. We need a core GNU distributed p2p agent. The agent should implement all downloads via stripped-down HTTP and perhaps all search functions as stripped-down LDAP. It should not be audio/video centric.
If the agent is released by some party as "GNU p2p" under the GPL, we might be able to get the FSF and also MIT to defend it, as well as the EFF.
Each of the remaining p2p players needs to endorse and convert to the new protocols before they get stomped by the RIIA. Kazaa and friends can still stamp their version with all their spyware and other "value-add."
As the agent matures to circumvent blocking techniques, the network moves as a whole.
If the thing is POSIX, this might be a good way to get a minimal Cygwin on a whole lot of systems.
The one thing that has been able to put a stop to Microsoft at this point is the GPL. Perhaps it could be useful against the RIIA - somebody should try and see. The value of the IP behind any of these systems is not that great - the GPL would be a fantastic curve-ball.
p.s. IANAL, nor am I a win32 programmer, so I really don't know what I'm talking about.
Audiogalaxy's web-based interface makes extendible
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oneself
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The HTML interface makes it easy to add more useful features. Like like I did in http://www.a-g-g.com.
Right back at ya, satan ;-)
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FreeUser
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Just to play devil's advocate here
Right back at ya, Satan;-)
First, current technology has all but eliminated the need for million dollar studios, or million dollar equipment, in order to get production quality sound. Indeed, insisting on using such facilities is often one way the record companies rip off their artists and subsidize their own businesses.
The cost of printing CDs is also very low... witness the number of unsigned, independent artists who print their own CDs (and I'm not talking CDRs here, I'm talking true, silver, consumer-grade professionally pressed CDs).
I won't discuss how I can shoot better videos than much of what is out there, with a $2000 digital video camera and a couple of free software programs, except to note that the costs of making music videos are often as inflated as the costs of using a "recording studio" whose quality is easilly matched with about $10,000 worth of prosumer equipment and a PC.
I'm not saying that the artists shouldn't get paid more. I'm just saying that you have to understand that the record label has considerable expense in most of these situations.
It is an absolute myth that the recording companies pay these expenses. The front the money, but they do not pay the expenses.
All of those expenses are charged to the band, not paid by the record company, even while the record company pockets the lion's share of the profits. For details, see Courtney Love's detailed explanation of how the money breaks down, and how little the artists receive.
Audiogalaxy = the sucks
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Anonymous Coward
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Who the hell is this guy kidding? AG sucked balls.
FFS the term artist is BS
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Anonymous Coward
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For a group of people so questioning of the practices of music companies, it's funny that so many throw the term "artist" around, this is a product of those music companies;-)
Rembrandt was an artist, Michael Jackson/Britney Spears/et. al. - they sure aren't:)
The real reason the RIAA shut down AG
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detect
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Audiogalaxy was the best p2p program available to share my music on to get more listeners. I had all my mp3s sitting on my share drive at work 24/7 so whenever someone decided to search for any of my music.. my entire catalouge would come up (33 songs or so). I would even pre-release music just for the guys who would download through Audiogalaxy.
Audiogalaxy gave us the power to be put on level footing with the rest of the large artists on the servers. We could join communities and get others to listen to our music... no other p2p program gives us that opportunity. I tried share my drive using Kazzaa but to my dissapointment the shared files rarely come up during a search...
I believe the reason RIAA shut down AG was becasue it gave independant artists the equal power to be heard. I could release my music exclusively on AG then through the HUGE array of community functionality talk communicate directly with ANYONE of the fans that liked my music. I could direct them to an online shop that sells my CD worldwide (chaosmusic.com - another excellent resource for the independant musician). If they bought the CD for $20 AUD ($12 US) I would get $15 per CD sold.
My bet is from now on P2P programs such as Kazzaa will NOT be hunted down by the RIAA becasue the majors should now by now that all these programs do is give the artists free publicity to sell their music. Didn't record sale profits rise these past couple of years? As long as major label artists/tracks are the easiest to find then they wont get shut down..
The greatest threat to the music industry is not piracy but the independant artists taking a greater slice of the $ you all spend on music. If you buy one of my CDs, that's $20 you won't be spending on a major label release.
They are out to destroy us not the pirates.
-- //
The fastest Alt-Tab in the West
You want your mp3z
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Anonymous Coward
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Try IRC.. See ya p2p
And that excuses theft?
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RatBastard
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Regardless of whether the musician is getting paid a large or small percentage of a CD sale, theft is still theft. I don't care if the band gets $10.00 of a $18.00 Cd or $0.05 of that same CD.
The Record Industry acting without any morals is no excuse for us to do the same. How are we any better than they are if we behaive the same way they do?
-- Boobies never hurt anyone. - Sherry Glaser.
Re:And that excuses theft?
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viperblades
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ok i like one song on a cd do i pay 20 dollars for it. ummmm no. if the record industry would let me pay them 1 dollar per song i would owe them about 150 dollars. now if i go but the cd i owe them around 500 to 1000 or more. becuase i have lots of songs by 1 arstist and thats the only song i have by them. would you buy windows if you had to buy office and 10 other ms products with it and the price came out to 20 times that of the price for what you actualy wanted?
Re:And that excuses theft?
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Enocasiones
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would you buy windows if you had to buy office and 10 other ms products with it and the price came out to 20 times that of the price for what you actualy wanted?
In fact that already happens: when buying windows you get not only an OS, which is what youre supposed to get, but also a browser (which I dont use), an email/news client a media player (dont use), an archiving tool (dont use) and a couple of other things (which many dont use). Were all this bloat absent, MSW would be much cheaper. Or at least should.
Kazaa sucks but at least they are sketchy enough to survive, which is ultimately the final test of a P2P as far as I'm concerned. The widely touted & distributed Kazaa Lite is not at all obnoxious, and approximately 2 petabytes (!) of available data at any given time is something I find kinda attractive.
It's not perfect but I'm not too picky, it's all free anyway.
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Re:WOOOO!! MY MCSE IS HERRREE!!
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Anonymous Coward
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you wish...boy
Re:WOOOO!! MY MCSE IS HERRREE!!
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Anonymous Coward
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He probably thought that by the way you express yourself in the written form. You sound like a complete shithead.
Six billion people in this world, and half of them have to be assholes..
First you say a series of things is "pretty damn liberal and leftist in my book".
Then you write a very nice rant, but could you please tell us what it all has to do with your funny definitions of "liberal" in your first post? You yourself seem to be quite liberal in my book. Or did you just want an excuse to stand on the soapbox?
Outmoded business model ?.COM had a simple business model
a) Get a VP to give you x million dollars
b) Spend x million dollars with a view to breaking even in 4 years (normal.com time scales)
c) After spending x million in 1 year ask VP for y million to cover you for the next 3 years
d) Spend y million, or float and get y+z million
e) NEVER EVER MAKE A PROFIT
f) Go Bust
This is nothing about "new" and "old" business models, its about "bollocks" and "business".
In the 1980s and 90s Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Larry Ellison demonstrated that someone could become number 1 by being smart and having a business that MADE A PROFIT. During the.com boom people like Sun, IBM et al made a fortune out of the "new" economy, Gates, Jobs and Ellison made even more.
A small guy can set up a business and become number 1, especially in the tech sector, but at the end of the day profitable businesses are what stay in business..com was about mystical ideas of "future" sales, where your mother would buy everything over the internet but NOT AT THE SAME SHOPS THAT HAVE GIVEN HER GREAT SERVICE FOR 20 YEARS.
Do you go back to the same shop often ? Does their service mean you would go to them in another State ? The same principle applies, but.com muppets won't admit that its true.
-- An Eye for an Eye will make the whole world blind - Gandhi
Correct URL
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Anonymous Coward
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Here's the correct URL: http://www.intellimp3.com/
Don't download it unless you like spam !
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Anonymous Coward
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Downloaded Andromeda 1 month ago, you receive the trial version by mail, so I entered my home email address, from which I was getting nearly zero spams. Since then I'm bombarded with junk mail, about software I don't care about or fucking Andromeda updates I don't give a shit about either. My advice: don't download it, it's crap and you'd better use open source alternative anyway.
Re:Don't download it unless you like spam !
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turnstyle
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Absolutely, positively untrue, and totally unfair! When you sign up I make it clear that you that you'll get an email from me, and after that you can easily unsubscribe. That's a fact. Furthermore, the last time I sent any email at all was Febuary 12. If you're getting spam, I promise it had nothing to do with me, and I'd be happy to dissuss as much as you want. Fee free to contact me personally at: Scott-AT-turnstyle-DOT-com
I've worked very hard on Andromeda, and likewise on keeping it all very positive. I promised that I wouldn't spam or give away your email address, and I have not. That's the plain truth.
While I agree that Audiogalaxy was, by far, the best p2p system (if you were looking for mp3s, that is), this story depicts it in a pretty flattering way.
I'll take it step by step (disregarding whatever views I have about RIAA and it's business model): RIAA sells music. They have the rights to the music (this may not be entirely correct, but I'm over-simplifying. Walk with me). AG lets people share that music - that is, they help someone get the music, who have not paid for rights to it. AG is a company, who wants to make money. They charge other companies money, so they can ship programs with the Satellite. AG is now, effectively, making money off of RIAA's property, without them getting a dime.
This is not strange, people. RIAA needs to protect it's own backyard. They may, or may not, make a whole lot of money, but they can't just stand beside and watch this.
Now, I agree that RIAA's (or rather, the companies whose interests they protect) business model is flawed, outdated and unfair. Unfair to both the artists, who create what RIAA sells, and the consumers who buy what the artists create. Compare RIAA to an estate agent. They take, what, 10% from the seller? RIAA takes more like 90%, leaving the artist with the crumbs. They can do this because no one else is providing the artist with an advance, with studio time, engineers, directors, etc. But all of this costs, and guess who's paying the bill? The artist, that's who. So a record company is more like a mix of an agent and a bank, with really, REALLY high interest charge.
All of this is about to change, fortunately - and it's not gonna be because companies like Napster, Audiogalaxy and Kazaa tries to make money off of anyone elses back. It's because, finally, some of the artists are staring to wake up, and smell the coffee. I'm not talking about "Really Small Garage Band" or "Joe Troubadour" here either, but BIG artists like Courtney Love, Michael Jackson, Elton John, Bono and Bruce Springsteen. Rapper Mos Def recently likened his deal with MCA to slavery (he ended up in that deal when MCA bought Rawkus), Michael Jackson claims the Big Five record companies are treating everyone bad, and black artists even worse, Courtney Love sewed Universal, claiming that record deals are unfair. Things are really about to happen, and when they do, we will see different distribution channels, new means of running radio stations, music television networks, concert promotions, everything.
One more thing though - one of RIAA's biggest concerns with Audiogalaxy, I think, was not that everyone and their brother was getting the new Britney track for free, but that new, unestablished artists saw this as a new way out. They could hire cheap studio time, get their music out there, do live performances, selling their own CDs, and become successful without the "help" of RIAA's world encompassing music monopoly. And that, my friends, scares the fsck out of them.
Don't joke, Gene Kan, well known for his work on Gnutella died on Jun 29 at the age of 25, check the news.com story
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I'd bet that RIAA is way more worried about the latter than the former. I picture them kind of like Buridan's Ass."Lost profit or lost profit? Noooooooooooooooooooo..."
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Most of its readers come here complaing about how this is old news, and how much better k5 is.
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Wasn't that the whole point of the site? Are they going out of business or what?
Looks like its back to newsgroups.
I suppose that it really is too much to ask. Editors to perform the most basic. Submission proofing.
Obliteracy: Words with explosions
Erm. Wait.
A winner is you!
It was only a matter of time when the programmers of the ill faded art of p2p network coding died. Atleast with this article you can get some insight into how things were with AG.
Hopefully AG will take a cue from Kazaa, go out of bussiness, and have another company (such as Sound Universe) located on an obscure Pacific Island with no extradition treaty take over the task of managing the central server and the distribution of the client....
That's pretty old news, I would think most have seen it already.
I read it a few weeks ago. The author attempted to portray his company as an innocent victim of the RIAA, and I certainly wouldn't support what they did. However, AudioGalaxy, at least the later versions, were a piece of trash. The most recent one before they were shutdown had tracking software that you couldn't not opt-out of. They were in the p2p business to make money through gathering consumer information and violating privacy, and I would support them no more than the RIAA.
Anybody remember the original audiogalaxy? It was basically a glorified FTP search. For the sites it indexed, it also listed up/down ratios, access restrictions, etc. Both it and scour were the first ones out the door in terms of sharing beyond a P2P client. They both started hunting down windows shares, then indexing open windows shares (the owner of which would have no idea), then trying random logins to FTPs, etc. I had all this crap in my server logs as they tried to break into my Samba shares and FTP site to index my content. I had to ask to be removed more than a few times. Bastards.
Um... that should be a comma, not a period. Anyways though, there will always be more filesharing services... for every one that goes down, it seems like 5 spring up.
I still say the solution is that ISPs tack on an extra 5 USD (or equivilent in other currency) on to net connection bills, then allow free legal access. *shrug*
--- Ãther SPOON!
The moral thing to do, of course, is to actually buy the CDs and put money towards the artist, to reimburse them for providing you with nice music. But the vast majority of college students are just too selfish to realise that.
Sorry guys, I loved it back when it was just the FTP search. Adding a place where artists could host stuff: great. Requiring a lameass client software riddled with spyware and adware: inexcusable.
Maybe AG should just be a promoter or distributor for the musicians instead of trying to be a napsterclone. Stick it to the RIAA that way.
Don't read this!
If you're looking for an easy way to share MP3s, OGGs and other files between friends, you might be interested in my software Andromeda, which dynamically builds streaming web sites with PHP or ASP. It's not dependent on any centralized service. Take a look & I hope you like it. -Scott
Here's what I do: Bitty Browser & Andromeda
I noticed this the other day on Kuro5hin too. In the discussion someone brought up an interesting point that I have wondered about as well; Why not just move the centeralized servers offshore to a data haven like SeaLand? I thought it might be an ethics issue, I mean, what company would advertise on something so blatently illegal? Then I remembered that AG bundled Gator and other spyware! Doh! Anyway, why not move it offshore? Isn't this the reason datahavens exist? I would think the folks from SeaLand would be falling all over themselves to get Audiogalaxy as a client. The publicity alone would be better than any advertising they could possibly buy. Democrats don't know the answers, Republicans don't know the questions.
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No orginal thought on kuro5hin, just regurgitated leftism as learned at the unwashed feet of Mr. Randy, their gay 10th grade civics teacher. It is a place where cop killer Mumia is king, and ordinary decent hard working people are dissed.
BTW, note to RIAA: AG prompted me to buy more CDs that I would have otherwise. I'm not paying $16-$20 for a CD unitl I get to listen to all of it several times.
Java is the blue pill
Choose the red pill
What is the relevance of this posting? Once you've got Linux installed why would you want XP, so M$ can steal, rape, and plunder your computer information worse then a fictional pirate?
And why would I wanna pay $300 or $500 for Windows which is inferior. Ya right, Nice try! Were you part of that Washington "Think Tank" which produced the "linux is bad because it's free" hate document?
Keep Open-Source alive because it is truly built on creativity and innovation. Not curruption, capitalism, and monopolization.
well in high school, i hung around the computer lab after word processing class and helped shut down all the PC's for the day. after HS, when I worked at Taco Bell, the POS units were windows based and i would reboot them when they hung or blue screened. so i'm not completely clueless, asshole.
im in college right now, i put in over 50 applications here in Madison, Wisconsin and can not get a technical job anywhere. If you dont have field experience your fucked, and i have resorted to working in a factory to pay my way through the rest of school. Im praying something open up when i graduate...
It was only a matter of time when the programmers of the ill faded art of p2p network coding died.
Odd, I didn't catch that in the obituaries.
Where they all at an ill fated convention?
It wasn't the free soda, it wasn't the shitload of money thrown at everything (well, ok, I miss that, too), it wasn't the company buying beer on Fridays or paying for lunch...
What I miss is the "bright" and "young" aspect. The Silicon Valley of 2002 seems to have gotten a lot older. It makes sense -- most of the young people like myself moved out when they got laid off. Now, at 25, I'm still the youngest person in my office (and in many offices I interviewed in while I was job hunting). As such, many of the companies are lacking that energy that made working during the boom seem, well, special.
I miss that.
Every year during my review, I just pray the words "slashdot.org" aren't mentioned.
This guy notes that the two things that distinguished Audiogalaxy from other p2p clients were the "use a web based interface, and [the ability to] queue songs for delivery later."
I've often wondered why this feature is lacking in gnutella clients. I, for one, am frustrated when I have to continually search for that one song I want. Shouldn't I be able to tell gnutella to search for a specific song and download it when I find it (without resorting to macros)? Is there any development going on in this area?oh man, the submission didn't provide much detail, so i did something i, and most other /.'ers don't do often, i read the article, it's really intresting, some of his opnions may be biased, such as saying AG was the best, but atleast he provides some reasoning for it... what he said about the RIAA was very intresting, about how they claimed that they weren't doing a very effective job at blocking songs, but making filters is very hard, and the final way, with checksums on the first megabyte of mp3's was an ingenious way. i'm starting to feel that those who infringe on copyrights are hurting the P2P systems originally designed to share non copyrighted data, that's just trying to find some limelite. i agree with what the RIAA is doing on focusing more on the users who are sharing copy right infringement, i also feel that they need to question the user as to whether he owns a legal version and is just excercising fair use. in anycase RTFA (article) it's really quite good
--fetch daddy's blue fright wig, i must be handsome when i release my rage
this strikes me as hopelessly weak. a front page article that consists entirely of a pointer to a kuro5hin article from 3 weeks ago.
*sigh* Why is it always the good ones that go down, while spyware whores like Kazaa run around free? (yes yes, I know the specific reasons, I'm speaking generally here). At least we still have WinMX.
The only good thing about Napster was that it took the brunt of the traffic and hype from AG. While Napster was changing and millions of people were flooding the system, AG was running along quite happily.
Of course, the best feature was that you didn't have to search for the song. Just throw whatever you want in the queue, come back a little later and you had all the songs you wanted.
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Truely said like an unemployed GNU Hippy that's upset that MCSE's have jobs when they don't.
Conform and put food on the table, or grow out a beard, spank it to usenet pr0n, and enjoy your GNU Hippy-dom
waaaah! mother fucker! cry me a river! work a factory job? heaven forbid! I unloaded trucks on a dock from 3:30 am to 8:30 am, went to class, then in the afternoon worked in the cosc labs, then on the weekend worked two 12 hour shifts cleaning floors to pay for school! So you worked hard to get through school? you know what that makes you? NOTHING SPECIAL. I might hire you for a student worker position, or a gant if you're in grad school, but if you're just a college punk looking for a real job, I wouldn't give you the time of day!
Remeber those commercials about how buying drugs helps support terroist activities? Well, with every over-priced CD we buy, we are funding an organization that is determined to systematically exterminate every single p2p app currently available. Congratulations on helping to kill another. Just say no to buying overpriced music! Just listen to the radio instead.
----- All Hail the Monkey Lich...now fetch me some undead bananas!
i agree with this post. there are far too many self-entitled, lazy children of the middle class who think hard work is optional. every one of the lazy shitbags under 30 I've mistakenly hired over the last 6 years has been a half-witted fucktard who thinks he can waltz in here, take 2 hour lunches, play with nerf guns and drink beer at 3pm. i dont know where they learned this shit. NEWSFLASH: it aint 1999. unless you have a strong work ethic, are extremely experienced, and know your shit, its time to think about a regular job, like landscaping or house painting.
I saw your post on here earlier. If they don't want to pay for the fucking music, what makes you think they want to pay for software that streams music.
Then they'd have to pay you, pay the ISP for increased bandwidth, and pay attention to the server.
Go peddle some where that you might find paying customers, you'll be happier that way.
"I made you a star, and I can take it away!" This has been repeated by record company leeches to artists like a mantra. Peer to peer file sharing made it possible for artists to see that fans alone decide who is and isn't a star. This terrifies the recording industry. While Napster, Audiogalaxy, and the like were in their heyday, new artists were able to find their audiences without selling their souls. This pointed out how unneccesary the leeches really were. Read more at www.dontbuycds.org
be sure to check out the article, What is piracy?
The Uncoveror: It's the real news.
That's because they are not listed in the obituaries...they are buried in a small mass grave just outside of town.
The bottom of the tombstone inscription reads:
R.I.[A.A.]P.
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News from birds. Stuff that splatters.
Every time I've tried to read an article on k5 I've got bored after the first couple of paragraphs and given up...
What is it with these K5 people that they must use 17 paragraphs to say what could be said in one.
>every one of the lazy shitbags under 30 I've mistakenly hired over the last 6 years has been a half-witted fucktard who thinks he can waltz in here, take 2 hour lunches, play with nerf guns and drink beer at 3pm.
Ever consider that when you pay your waiters minimum wage and expect them to make money from tips that they aren't going to be very pleased with their jobs?
I mean, I assume from what you've said you're a manager at Denny's. If not, I'm sorely mistaken. Perhaps you're actally a manager at Krispy Kreme.
The moral thing to do, of course, is to actually buy the CDs and put money towards the artist, to reimburse them for providing you with nice music.
No, the moral thing to do is to send the artist one or two dollars directly, rather than buying the CD.
Artists are generally at the mercy of the recording labels, and are typically paid $0.25 for each cd sold, while the recording label pockets the vast, vast majority of the profits. Supporting those institutions which are ripping off the artists, of which the recording industry is by far the worst offendor, is a very immoral act. Your $1.00 to the artist for downloading their entire CD off of whatever p2p or distributed service you use puts a great deal more money in their pocket than buying the CD legally does.
When it comes to buying the music online, where artists are paid fractions of a penny per song, the difference is even more pronounced and the artist treated even less fairly by the recording label. Download the ogg or mp3 file for free and pay the artist via fairtunes, or directly, instead. You will be doing a great deal more to support the artist than you will be if you go and buy their CD legally.
Note: I say this is the moral thing to do, not the legal thing to do (for those too clue-challenged to tell the difference). IANAL and am giving moral, or ethical, not legal, advice.
But the vast majority of college students are just too selfish to realise that.
Hearing that from someone who is promoting a "support the music industry, it is your moral imperetive" shill is really precious. I would simply point out that, for anyone defending the RIAA on this tack, to ponder the following words:
Pot. Kettle. Black.
Mote. Beam. Eye.
Glass Houses. Stones.
In comparison to what the Recording Industry has done to artists over the last 70 years, the p2p services and the worst non-commercial copyright violators on the planet are saints, and that includes those college students you so deride.
The Future of Human Evolution: Autonomy
> oh like Redhat doesn't release a new colonel every two or three months because its hackable
Fuck, you're totally right.
I mean, look at the marketing problems surrounding that. Imagine if KFC replaced Colonel Sanders every time it created a new flavour!
If you could be told what you can see or read, then it follows that you could be told what to say or think - BoC
So most of the artists on the site are there illegally... but there are a lot of independent artists and there are a lot of famous artists who want there songs there, plus services like audiogalaxy (napster, etc) claim that they exist to help promote unknown artists. so when they go turning off *everyone* on their site that just exemplifies how little they actually differentiate the artists that want to be there and the artists that don't (or can't for legal reasons).
sig.
Or are you too stupid to spell linux correctly?
How many Lunix users are there anyway? Is Lunix a new OS for lunatics? Where can I get a copy?
How ya like dat?
nice try, kid. although you might wanna try a job like that. seems all you're qualified for.
He wasnt there the last few months he says and it shows. I used AG occasionally, mainly to dig up old punk rock/hardcore that just didnt come across usenet often enough.
The last time I grabbed the satellite, 'prolly in April or May '02, it was bundled with spyware, there was notification. A few times in '01 I grabbed versions and they were bundled with spyware which I do not recall being notified about. Only the first few versions that I RECALL did not have any bundle. I think I grabbed first one in '00? Mebbe late-mid '99?
I can't count how many times I said, when Napster and clones gained in popularity, that it would be the end of the *fun* (read: piracy) for everyone.
When Napster started to tank, I noticed an influx of clueless, off topic, shite flooding idiots on usenet. And the media attention, my god the media attention. I dunno, mebbe coincidence, but I just imagined the droves of clueless knuckleheads high on that "free stuff" vibe flocking to the newgroups looking to continue their plunder and impress their friends. I dunno, but the ng's look a lot different than they did a short year or two ago. Nothing like they did in 90's.
And *like* wow, all those "Napster" is dead/dying/gone/back stories...who really cares? Did anyone think even for a second that the subscription model would work? C'mon...
"Sean, grab a seat"
I dunno, mebbe true, mebbe I am old and jaded, but the idealism is just a little too much to stomach.
IMHO, the same thing that is keeping the gnutella network, and similar networks, alive is the same thing that will keep them from growing as fast. Because there isn't The Server to index all the files available, the searches take too much time for a typical, impatient user. But this also protects it from being shutdown, so I guess it's the handoff you have to make/accept. If it can make searches faster, I think that it will take off and hopefully still be insusceptible (sp) to the RIAA's wrath-o-evil.
My other sig is an import.
I agree - people accustomed to downloading music for free aren't the most likely sort to pay for software. However, believe it or not, plenty of folks decide to stick to a strict rip-my-CDs-only policy. And, generally, the pay-for versions are targeted for commercial use. Seems fair to me. -Scott
Here's what I do: Bitty Browser & Andromeda
..that's how his story should have started.
Kur5hin gets slashdotted...that'll do wonders for diplomatic relations..
If you can't see the value in jet powered ants you should turn in your nerd card. - Dunbal (464142)
If AG has to go, there is another alternative program that is named, "Gnucleus" where you can download some music from Gnucleus.
Gnucleus is a free source p2p program.
*The numbers in this rant were acquired from Sniffer Pro.*
Personally, I'm glad AG is down. At my university of choice AG was taking up, at any given time 50%-80% of the badnwidth. That is just ridiculous. It was the only (music) sharing software the campus hadn't blocked (aside from Good ol' Hotline, RIP). Of course, everyone knew how to use AG, 10 people used Hotline (myself included). Maybe.
It just got frustrating being taken down to 4K for legit downloads. My roommate started playing with Gentoo. That's a fun install if your bandwidth is castrated. When I was needing to do work, it was frustrating to know that I couldn't get decent connection rates because everyone else was getting their fix it Britney and N'Sync. Of course, I was also occasionally nabbing things from HL(got to test drive XP[thank you, but no]), but I didn't care what rates I got there. There was always a resume DL feature.
Though, honestly, it wouldn't have been as bad if they'd download and close the connection. I think 60-70% of the AG traffic was out-going.
If AG is truly dead, may they rest in peace. I, OTOH, enjoy my bandwidth.
First, Linus originally create and now helps maintain the linux kernel, not the other parts of the linux operating system.
Second, the only reason microsoft is doing a "code audit" is because their code was so poorly written to be with corporate clients were moving to BSD, Solaris, HP-UX, and Linux. Every week there is a major vulnerability with some Major Microsoft code.
Would you be happy spending $50,000 on a software product to find out it has holes. Atleast with linux, there are alternatives and you are not waivered down with licensing up the wazoo.
What I miss is the "bright" and "young" aspect. The Silicon Valley of 2002 seems to have gotten a lot older. It makes sense -- most of the young people like myself moved out when they got laid Found something more interesting than coding, eh?
so-called spyware
I actually have to agree with the author in thiscase. "Spyware" wasn't the most accurate name for what came bundled with Audiogalaxy. Whereas Gator and that stupid purple ape thing are "spyware", the stuff that was bundled with Audiogalaxy was more like having Back Orifice or some other "I 0wNz j00" trojan on your system. Rather than just tracking which sites you visited and reporting back to its home company, Audiogalaxy's spyware actually reported your web mail, credit card numbers, address, and whatever else you decided to put into a form back to its home company.
The RIAA disgusts me, but the people from Audiogalaxy almost reach the same level, especially since this author's "hey, it pays the bills" justification is probably the exact thing that was going through the RIAA's mind each time they've sued a P2P software company out of existence. In both cases, the companies are doing whatever it takes to keep making money, and it's the average person that's getting screwed over by their actions while the more technologically literate among us just head elsewhere.
Does anybody know of any other applications which operate in a similar manner?
And use NetJuke or Mp3Database which do something similar, come with code, and are FREE and Free.
If you could be told what you can see or read, then it follows that you could be told what to say or think - BoC
So, I've got a question.
Is there any P2P sharing software where I can specify which people have access to my ogg & mp3 files? What I think would be nice (and in keeping with the home audio recording act) is a program where I explicitly enter my friends (any they explicitly enter me), and then we can browse through each other's collections and share music.
I realize there's a couple ways to do this at the filesystem level with Linux, but most of my friends are non-technical windows users, and a simple point and click interface would be a big gain for them.
Any ideas?
Get your ass down to kuro5hin and post over there! If you happen to have an intelligent, well-thought remark regarding this writing, then please post your messages on the site that ORIGINALLY RAN THE STORY!
OTOH, if you have nothing better to say than "OMG, I'm SO going to miss AG! It ROOLD!!!", by all means please abstain.
ok i really hate to bite at a troll but, here goes. recently we decided to replace our front end webservers with a Linux solution. we had 4 of them behind a load balancer. we were running NT 4.0 with IIS for like 5 years, no problems. anywyas this new UNIX admin we hired was like, we can do this cheaply, and with Linux for more reliability. We were like, ok lets give it a go. Precisely 3 days after the new Linux webservers went up, all four boxes were rooted and the index.html's replaced with a "Goatse" picture. anyone who has seen this picture knows its nasty. Now to make matters worse our company sells children's educational software. so you can imagine the many irate calls and emails we got about this. needless to say, we shitcanned Mr. Unix and brought our NT 4.0 boxes back from the closet. this NEVER happened in years of running NT 4.0 and i'm sure it WONT happen again as long as we stay Microsoft.
Read the Albini Baffler Article, it lists the touring costs, and it is a net RED
self-entitled, lazy children of the middle class who think hard work is optional. every one of the lazy shitbags under 30 I've mistakenly hired over the last 6 years has been a half-witted fucktard who thinks he can waltz in here, take 2 hour lunches, play with nerf guns and drink beer at 3pm
.... "It is better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
sweet doode right on da money, employees, especially yours should work 110% of the time and hate your guts, that'a way to force productivity. Just cause you're a half-ass doesn't mean we all are. Your post made me think of
-well if ya didn't have the need to feel superior and get your block off (your shoulder, as is so common in these fields) you would have hired someone more knowledgeable than you, they are not hard to find, yo can I paint your house?
hey moron.. i DONT have a MCSE, I refuse to EVER get one and I make more money than you, and am still in demand.. I get headhunter calls weekly.... funny in a tech-econ downturn why am I still very marketable???
Must be because i LACK an MCSE so therefore I am known as someone with skills.
dumbass.
Please refer here for Lunix information. It does exist.
If we don't fight for ourselves no one will.
It is so left wing that it make communists look like Rush Limbaugh
Um, try to decide; are they liberals (ie. central, neither left nor right-wing), or leftists? From the rant it seems latter, but referring to Gore & Hillary make me wonder, neither of them being particularly leftist nor liberal.
I like paying taxes. With them I buy civilization -- Oliver Wendell Holmes
Perhaps AG or something like it could keep the community angle going, even without the P2P approach. If all the music were sent out from servers, then it would be possible to control what was available. The RIAA would have nothing to complain about. This is apparently how AG worked in its middle phase:
Rather than trying to support such an endeavor with revenue from ads or spyware, why not charge a monthly fee? My understanding, based on what I've read here on /., is that
$5 per month could pay for
a fair amount of traffic.
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Manifesto for the Peoples of the Third Millennium
I used to work at Aimster, and received their shaft when the CEO (John Deep) decided not to pay anybody, and let them continue working without telling them there wasn't any money left. Apparently they're now making some money off the work of the backs of now-laid-off programmers, which must be a great business model, though I don't know how I could live with myself doing what they did.
Here are some links to some journal entries I wrote as the stuff was happening:
http://slashdot.org/~Evro/journal/2128
http://slashdot.org/~Evro/journal/1918
http://slashdot.org/~Evro/journal/1118
Remember: everything you've ever been read about Aimster in the press was a lie. It was not created by John Deep, nor his daughter (Madeline, called Aimster as a way to launch her "modeling career" on the backs of the programmers).
Another tidbit: February 14, 2001 - Video (Real Player only, apparently) of John Deep at the O'Reilly P2P conference, where he babbled on for a very long time (about 12 minutes) about how his daughter is the software and other stupid garbage. You can see that he sounds really crazy here, especially compared to people like Ray Ozzie who actually have legitimate business experience.
rooooar
I guess it's not P2P then.
You're going to take one hell of a beating for that. Check the links on the page below for more consistent tech news. You'll see a few familiar names; just skip them.
http://rootprompt.org/links.html
I was about to go on a merciless tirade about careless /. editors who double-post stories, until your post made me recall the truth. Apparently, the story I was deja-vuing about was on k5 and not on Slashdot.
/. stories and k5 stories now? *shudder* What next? Total mental collapse? =)
So, what, I'm confusing
For some reason, I remember the story I was deja-vuing about being just Mindless Link Propagation to some major news site. Of course, a quick check reveals that it isn't. I don't know why I remember it that way -- K5 moderators don't let as blatant MLP posts through to the front page as easily as the Slashdot PtBs do. At least some poor slashdot editor isn't guilty of MLPP (what MLPing an MLP post would be).
"What's next, they're gonna make chips outta chicken feathers?"
Don't joke about that, man. =)
How does something gain value? There are a few ways, but the best way for something that's readily available to gain value is to manufacture scarcity. That's right, make people think they can't get the stuff anywhere else, and all of the sudden you can charge them an arm and a leg for it.
This is what the RIAA has done, and continues to do. This is why the RIAA wants to make mp3 sharing illegal, unless of course you're paying them for songs on their labels. You see, if we can share any music we ever find, on a label or not, popular band or garage band, then the manufactured scarcity of good music is destroyed, and therefore it loses it's monetary value. When that happens, the bands will start making all the money off of touring or other means, because with all that competition they'll actually have to earn their money, and that will in turn put the RIAA and those big labels out of business because they won't be needed. Who needs sony's promotion when people just want to see your concert because they heard all your mp3's?
I could go on and on about this, but I just wanted to say a quick word or two because reading this article really made me see that this little theory of mine is pretty close to what's actually happening. AG and it's community really did open my eyes up to music I never would have appreciated before, and some of the band names I had never heard of and haven't heard of since. There's great music out there by all sorts of people and the only reason the RIAA, labels, or anyone for that matter can make money from a lot of the crap bands (like the lip-synching N-SYNC) is because they unethically (and hopefully one day illegally) control the market so that people can't get access to other, more original, artists.
~ now you know
Question: You the music consumer, will you spend $10 to go into a store and at a kiosk pick an choose your music tracks to burn on CD?
Seems the perfect solution but wiat than how does RIAA members get us to buy bloated albums then?
Trials in Australia are already happenign with these burn your won music kiosks..it wil come to US as well..
The old business model of labels in selling bloated albums adn the RIAA is dead we just have not buried them yet!
But the funeral pyre is being heated up as we speak..
Don't Tread on OpenSource
OK, since k5 has been slashdotted, here's a high-bandwidth mirror
Female Prison Rape in NY
I was a user of napster for a bit, I was on dial up at the time, so it was a slow process, but I did download songs..
When napster shut down, the next thing I went to was audiogalaxy.. I had also got a cable modem at about that time, and I probably downloaded 20 gigs of mp3's that first month that I had it.
One of the things that I thought made audiogalaxy the best way of searching for music was that when you searched on an artist lets say, it would show you what other artists people had searched for that had also searched for the artist that I was searching for. This opened me up to a lot of music that I had otherwise not known about.
They also had all the music categorized by the genre, and I could sit there and browse thru these for days on end.
Its too bad that its gone, but luckily I think I have all the music I would want now, and I can grab the few songs I might need here and there from kazaa-lite..
hahaha.
I think it's kind of funny that so much controversy has been going on over what is basically a re-engineeering of one of the oldest internet services. Why not just resurrect Archie?
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More than the MLP style of Slashdot. The user-written stories are the best content of the site and can be found nowhere else.
Best... anti-troll... ever!
(and it wasn't even intended as one, yet I still get at least one troll-style response each week! W00T!)
If you could be told what you can see or read, then it follows that you could be told what to say or think - BoC
Strange isn't it how all those old farts stuck out at those old companies, the IBM's, the GE's, Lockheed et al. And the "bright" young things disappear for 2 years....
.com with their experience..... but they didn't"
2 years later the "bright" young things come back to the office that is still there, still profitable and still delivering.
And the "bright" young thing doesn't see that maybe its actually a hard job to deliver decent software and that experience counts, and talent counts more. And most of all doesn't think
"All of these guys here could have worked for a
The art of these guys is seeing a fuck-up happening and getting the hell away from it. Whereas the "bright" young things believed in a new economy that would replace everything that went before and that the whole world order would fall and eToys would beat Toys R Us, where "TedsOfficeSupplies.com" would beat Staples and of course where Abercrombie and Gap would be destroyed by Boo.com.
In terms of who is bright, I don't think the lightbulbs are with the young.
An Eye for an Eye will make the whole world blind - Gandhi
Maybe I'm simply an anarchist who wants to watch while the RIAA get it in the bum, or an idealist to watch the 'people' get their way. Whatever the case may be, How about open Source P2P client/servers?
What if AudioGalaxy, Napster, Gnutella, etc... released their source code?
What about decentralized serving?
Conceptually I can see a few issues "where does it go for the first time if it's decentralized?", etc.
Support the artists, not the RIAA or Labels. So what, will the RIAA will try and sue everyone?
Very simple ideology of common law taxation: If you don't support the government, don't pay your "voluntary tax". The government will fall, and another one will take it's place. Neither Governments, Corporations or Humans can exist without money.
Harness the money of the masses.
I would not miss p2p programs, if someone knew how to write a program that essentially functioned like a advanced mailing list . With all the regular mailing list commands, and used automatic segmentation at say 100KB and CRC checking of binary attachments . wrap it all with a PGP plug in or an open source equivalent of your choice . You have secure, encrypted, easily manageable file trading . The add-on would be a GUI to drive the test commands, and search features, and an indexing system of available files . make the updates to the index less frequent to reduce data on the network, and use a Tree topology for the Index based on continous time connected . You rate users length of connectivity, and the longest connected person has the most expansive index file, and this propagates down the tree to the recent sign ons . new users sign on, are picked up by their closest peers, and it propagates up the tree, and once it is at top, it goes back down the tree . Only top tier servers will incur higher traffic . For example, you could subscribe to "enigma" and your software would check the index of available vs. an index file of what you have and "request" the ones you don't have . The index file of what you have could be in 2 parts, what is available for download, and what has been movd to cd-r, or other offline storage . essentially if subscribed to enigma and the new album came out, you would not even have to request it, it would just show up when it was made available . Each user would be their own mail server, and could CC: send to many users at once, thus utilizing less bandwidth . If 12 ppl on the same branch request the same file, it could trickle down from one mail server filing the request, saving bandwidth . The nature of mail would offer direct ties to how the newsgroups work, and the similarly related code . The mail broadcast idea similar to spam, is spam that is wanted , vs. spam that is adverts. Just a thought ...
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Get it right for the love of all that is good!
AG seems to have caved in rather easily to RIAA pressure (consider their relatively early implementation of some file blocking, and their recent switch to subtractive blocking since additive blocking wasn't doing a very good job). I'm not sure if they even have the resources for a good legal defense, let alone a move offshore.
P.S. Your spelling is great. But your reasoning about English majors and correct spelling is a bit sloppy. =)
While I agree that AG really did start shoving spyware down its users throats, you had many alternatives to the "official" AG satellite. The source was free, and there were several third-party satellites that didn't have spyware. I don't think they were really money grubbing as you suggest, but they needed to earn money somehow in order to support the servers and pay thier salaries. AG could have folded long ago due to bankrupcy.
AG was the best system for music, nothing else can match its organization and variety without having a central server. Decentralized P2P can never match centralized P2P.
Somebody get that guy a clue about web design. A long rant in red letters on a yellow background is not going to convince anybody.
I would have liked this former AG employee to have talked about how Audiogalaxy censored posts. I know if you type in a curse it gets deleted automatically, but I would have polticial
conversations that would get deleted. It would have been nice if he clued us in on this process. Does anyone here know the answer?
..you could be describing Apple or Microsoft in the 70s
Maybe it's just as well your dot com went the way of James Dean...
sorry for the spelling (fuck it). I fucken hate it when people (label companies) take fucken advantage of some guys with talent(band) just so they can get richer and richer and pay for their expensive gay boyfriends. If by downloading music I hurt the band am sorry! i hurt more the label company FUCKE THEM! fucke greddy ass bastards. I will do anything to support the band, even if it means paying them the 15 bucks in cash directly than buying the CD. I just makes me so mad when people that are already rich (label companies) wants to keep fucking people who are just desperate to show their talent at any cost.
The one thing that has been able to put a stop to Microsoft at this point is the GPL. Perhaps it could be useful against the RIIA - somebody should try and see. The value of the IP behind any of these systems is not that great - the GPL would be a fantastic curve-ball.
The HTML interface makes it easy to add more useful features. Like like I did in http://www.a-g-g.com.
Just to play devil's advocate here
;-)
... witness the number of unsigned, independent artists who print their own CDs (and I'm not talking CDRs here, I'm talking true, silver, consumer-grade professionally pressed CDs).
Right back at ya, Satan
First, current technology has all but eliminated the need for million dollar studios, or million dollar equipment, in order to get production quality sound. Indeed, insisting on using such facilities is often one way the record companies rip off their artists and subsidize their own businesses.
The cost of printing CDs is also very low
I won't discuss how I can shoot better videos than much of what is out there, with a $2000 digital video camera and a couple of free software programs, except to note that the costs of making music videos are often as inflated as the costs of using a "recording studio" whose quality is easilly matched with about $10,000 worth of prosumer equipment and a PC.
I'm not saying that the artists shouldn't get paid more. I'm just saying that you have to understand that the record label has considerable expense in most of these situations.
It is an absolute myth that the recording companies pay these expenses. The front the money, but they do not pay the expenses.
All of those expenses are charged to the band, not paid by the record company, even while the record company pockets the lion's share of the profits. For details, see Courtney Love's detailed explanation of how the money breaks down, and how little the artists receive.
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Who the hell is this guy kidding? AG sucked balls.
For a group of people so questioning of the practices of music companies, it's funny that so many throw the term "artist" around, this is a product of those music companies ;-)
:)
Rembrandt was an artist, Michael Jackson/Britney Spears/et. al. - they sure aren't
Audiogalaxy was the best p2p program available to share my music on to get more listeners. I had all my mp3s sitting on my share drive at work 24/7 so whenever someone decided to search for any of my music.. my entire catalouge would come up (33 songs or so). I would even pre-release music just for the guys who would download through Audiogalaxy.
Audiogalaxy gave us the power to be put on level footing with the rest of the large artists on the servers. We could join communities and get others to listen to our music... no other p2p program gives us that opportunity. I tried share my drive using Kazzaa but to my dissapointment the shared files rarely come up during a search...
I believe the reason RIAA shut down AG was becasue it gave independant artists the equal power to be heard. I could release my music exclusively on AG then through the HUGE array of community functionality talk communicate directly with ANYONE of the fans that liked my music. I could direct them to an online shop that sells my CD worldwide (chaosmusic.com - another excellent resource for the independant musician). If they bought the CD for $20 AUD ($12 US) I would get $15 per CD sold.
My bet is from now on P2P programs such as Kazzaa will NOT be hunted down by the RIAA becasue the majors should now by now that all these programs do is give the artists free publicity to sell their music. Didn't record sale profits rise these past couple of years? As long as major label artists/tracks are the easiest to find then they wont get shut down..
The greatest threat to the music industry is not piracy but the independant artists taking a greater slice of the $ you all spend on music. If you buy one of my CDs, that's $20 you won't be spending on a major label release.
They are out to destroy us not the pirates.
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Try IRC.. See ya p2p
Regardless of whether the musician is getting paid a large or small percentage of a CD sale, theft is still theft. I don't care if the band gets $10.00 of a $18.00 Cd or $0.05 of that same CD.
The Record Industry acting without any morals is no excuse for us to do the same. How are we any better than they are if we behaive the same way they do?
Boobies never hurt anyone. - Sherry Glaser.
Kazaa sucks but at least they are sketchy enough to survive, which is ultimately the final test of a P2P as far as I'm concerned. The widely touted & distributed Kazaa Lite is not at all obnoxious, and approximately 2 petabytes (!) of available data at any given time is something I find kinda attractive.
It's not perfect but I'm not too picky, it's all free anyway.
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He probably thought that by the way you express yourself in the written form. You sound like a complete shithead.
Six billion people in this world, and half of them have to be assholes..
Would that be zero?
Considered harmful.
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Then you write a very nice rant, but could you please tell us what it all has to do with your funny definitions of "liberal" in your first post? You yourself seem to be quite liberal in my book. Or did you just want an excuse to stand on the soapbox?
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me-first is old school business ?
.COM had a simple business model
.com time scales)
.com boom people like Sun, IBM et al made a fortune out of the "new" economy, Gates, Jobs and Ellison made even more.
.com was about mystical ideas of "future" sales, where your mother would buy everything over the internet but NOT AT THE SAME SHOPS THAT HAVE GIVEN HER GREAT SERVICE FOR 20 YEARS.
.com muppets won't admit that its true.
Outmoded business model ?
a) Get a VP to give you x million dollars
b) Spend x million dollars with a view to breaking even in 4 years (normal
c) After spending x million in 1 year ask VP for y million to cover you for the next 3 years
d) Spend y million, or float and get y+z million
e) NEVER EVER MAKE A PROFIT
f) Go Bust
This is nothing about "new" and "old" business models, its about "bollocks" and "business".
In the 1980s and 90s Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Larry Ellison demonstrated that someone could become number 1 by being smart and having a business that MADE A PROFIT. During the
A small guy can set up a business and become number 1, especially in the tech sector, but at the end of the day profitable businesses are what stay in business.
Do you go back to the same shop often ? Does their service mean you would go to them in another State ? The same principle applies, but
An Eye for an Eye will make the whole world blind - Gandhi
Here's the correct URL :
http://www.intellimp3.com/
Downloaded Andromeda 1 month ago, you receive the trial version by mail, so I entered my home email address, from which I was getting nearly zero spams. Since then I'm bombarded with junk mail, about software I don't care about or fucking Andromeda updates I don't give a shit about either.
My advice: don't download it, it's crap and you'd better use open source alternative anyway.
While I agree that Audiogalaxy was, by far, the best p2p system (if you were looking for mp3s, that is), this story depicts it in a pretty flattering way.
I'll take it step by step (disregarding whatever views I have about RIAA and it's business model):
RIAA sells music. They have the rights to the music (this may not be entirely correct, but I'm over-simplifying. Walk with me).
AG lets people share that music - that is, they help someone get the music, who have not paid for rights to it.
AG is a company, who wants to make money. They charge other companies money, so they can ship programs with the Satellite.
AG is now, effectively, making money off of RIAA's property, without them getting a dime.
This is not strange, people. RIAA needs to protect it's own backyard. They may, or may not, make a whole lot of money, but they can't just stand beside and watch this.
Now, I agree that RIAA's (or rather, the companies whose interests they protect) business model is flawed, outdated and unfair. Unfair to both the artists, who create what RIAA sells, and the consumers who buy what the artists create.
Compare RIAA to an estate agent. They take, what, 10% from the seller? RIAA takes more like 90%, leaving the artist with the crumbs. They can do this because no one else is providing the artist with an advance, with studio time, engineers, directors, etc. But all of this costs, and guess who's paying the bill? The artist, that's who. So a record company is more like a mix of an agent and a bank, with really, REALLY high interest charge.
All of this is about to change, fortunately - and it's not gonna be because companies like Napster, Audiogalaxy and Kazaa tries to make money off of anyone elses back. It's because, finally, some of the artists are staring to wake up, and smell the coffee. I'm not talking about "Really Small Garage Band" or "Joe Troubadour" here either, but BIG artists like Courtney Love, Michael Jackson, Elton John, Bono and Bruce Springsteen.
Rapper Mos Def recently likened his deal with MCA to slavery (he ended up in that deal when MCA bought Rawkus), Michael Jackson claims the Big Five record companies are treating everyone bad, and black artists even worse, Courtney Love sewed Universal, claiming that record deals are unfair. Things are really about to happen, and when they do, we will see different distribution channels, new means of running radio stations, music television networks, concert promotions, everything.
One more thing though - one of RIAA's biggest concerns with Audiogalaxy, I think, was not that everyone and their brother was getting the new Britney track for free, but that new, unestablished artists saw this as a new way out. They could hire cheap studio time, get their music out there, do live performances, selling their own CDs, and become successful without the "help" of RIAA's world encompassing music monopoly. And that, my friends, scares the fsck out of them.
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Don't joke, Gene Kan, well known for his work on Gnutella died on Jun 29 at the age of 25, check
the news.com story
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I'd bet that RIAA is way more worried about the latter than the former.
I picture them kind of like Buridan's Ass."Lost profit or lost profit? Noooooooooooooooooooo..."
Most of its readers come here complaing about how this is old news, and how much better k5 is.