OK, responding seriously this time and going by the black letter without resorting to "value" judgements, we don't need to write laws.
The officers on the scene did not have the authority to release the photos. The officers are already in violation of department policy. They're already guilty of a fireable offense. Since the officers are outside of policy, they lose the immunity against private lawsuits. The city is now also culpable because the police violated written policy, hence the lawsuit.
I'm not saying you should find that acceptable, but you should attempt to UNDERSTAND it.
I work a lot of municipal security too. I also work with a lot of cops. I grew up military.
I do understand it. I don't find it acceptable. I'm completely willing to allow these two officers to resign from the force and enter the care of a mental health professional on the city's dime.
My willingness to agree to this is contingent on one thing: that we also require the voting adults in question to watch videos of Predator drone strikes, the aftermath of bombings in civilian areas, and so forth. Showing atrocities and horrific events is (or can be) important, but if you only show the consequences of one side's actions, you're not informing or "providing context", you're pushing propaganda by trying to excite people's desire for revenge.
Certainly. I completely agree with you. I'm always in favor of more information to the voters, not less. We intentionally don't cover military funerals any more, nor de we allow actual reporting from the war theater as we did in WWII and Vietnam. The Pentagon put these policies in place intentionally to keep the voters at large in the dark.
It's outright treason against Jefferson's legacy, and it dishonors the soldiers who gave their lives. It's shameful.
The problem is that ALL police carry the force of Law, the color of Authority and the ability to use deadly force. Their testimony carries the presumption of truth in the courtroom. We invest them with an ENORMOUS amount of power in our society.
NONE of them should be unprofessional. We give them far too much power to tolerate even the appearance of bad behavior. If you are not truly "One of the City's Finest," then you need to be out of the uniform.
...identified the victim in the photos and sent them out as a Halloween joke. The images flew across the Internet and the same sick people who frequent the gore sites across the internet emailed the images back to the family with taunts, ridicule and abuse.
Sure, the girl drove under the influence. She paid for it with her life. I think that's sufficient punishment. Her parents buried their teenage daughter. I think that's more than enough punishment.
Speaking as a father, the bad guys in this story are the officers on the scene. How they could think it was OK to use those photos for their own sick little joke on Halloween is beyond me. How they could think they had the authority to release those photos to the public at large is beyond me. Has law enforcement become so craven in this country they don't understand what we mean by "respect for the dead?"
I've seen the Daniel Pearl and Nick Berg videos. I think they should be required viewing for every adult of voting age in this country, because seeing those two videos provides context for foreign policy decisions we need to vote on. I can even see the usefulness of "mechanized death" videos that try to make a point with immortal 16-year-olds, provided the footage is anonymous and separated by a healthy number of years.
However, I can also see the difference between a major newsworthy event that should inform foreign policy and two ghouls in uniform getting their sick little jollies at the expense of grieving parents. Sick minds like these need doctors and asylums, not badges and guns.
When you look at yorself in the mirror, I want you to understand that that line --
"at the same time I get some free labor "
-- is what makes you a bad person.
Yes, your conscience should bother you about this. Pay your people the wages they deserve. Don't exploit them just because they're desperate in a lousy job market.
Read the article. I understand -- and my experience was -- that interns as currently used are basically workers in all but name.
However, the federal definition of an intern is that they DON'T produce value for a company. "Internships" are basically supposed to be charitable positions. Companies are supposed to be able to provide in detail the learning program of the interns they are supposed to be TEACHING, not exploiting. The company is expected to LOSE money on an internship, hence the tax breaks they're given.
The facy that most companies work interns like employees is basically half a step up from child labor, akin to a high school teacher who sleeps with one of their students the day she turns 18. Even if you manage to skirt the rules -- which really you don't -- it's still pretty repugnant.
Read the article. The companies were fined a small fraction of what the intern's wages would have been. It's as if the penalty for robbing a bank was that you'd have to give back twenty percent of the take, and then, only for the times that you were actually found guilty at trial.
Such "enforcement" is worse than none at all. At least if no company were caught and "punished," there might still be the risk of real penalty in the future. Now, the companies know for a fact that IF they're caught, the penalty will only be a fraction of what they owed anyway.
Imagine if the IRS came to you and said, "If we catch you cheating on your taxes, you can be assured we'll make you pay a fifth of what you owe."
The only thing I would add to your post is that most of your statements above that begin with "If" have actually happened, so perhaps those sentences should be written with "When" instead of "If."
For some reason, we no longer teach American History 1920-1940 in this country....
"As a manager, I posted for an entry level position "
"I ended up getting the best candidate -- over twelve years of experience pertinent to my business, glowing reviews from previous employers and excellent interpersonal skills."
"Is it fair? Maybe not."
There, right there, is why I don't teach. I cannot, in good conscience, tell some poor kid to work hard, stay in school, study like a madman, fight for good grades, and work 80 hours a week to put himself through school like I did, knowing that there won't be a job for him.
We all know this economy HAS NO entry-level jobs. The same people who so cavalierly smirk "life ain't fair" will be the same people whining and gibbering the loudest when the young we've screwed over pass the "Mandatory Euthanasia/Nutrition Enhancement Act of 2025."
As the next generation straps me and the whiners into the gurneys so we can watch the pretty movie while the drugs start dripping down our IVs, I look forward to finding the fattest, loudest schmucks bawling the like Glenn Beck and telling them, "It's OK. Life ain't fair," before it all goes black.
Just read the essay. Makes me want to weep for my past and my children's future. Why isn't that author just flat-out in charge of education in the US, period?
Now for the horror. The problems the author takes such a perceptive ax to in this essay? They're not just in mathematics education. They PERVADE the system. EVERY subject is taught this badly.
We're going through the cargo cult motions, but we aren't actually teaching a thing.
I watched those murderous thugs kill, counting conservatively, 3,000 kids to keep their grip on political power.
The recent PR spin that those same men have put out to whitewash that slaughter nauseates me.
When you came along and suggested that leaving those men in place was best for China, yeah, I got angry and offended. I still am. Talk to Harry Wu about what a great plan that is.
Script Cat is quoting a serious of pushy Corn Industry commercials that play here in the United States. He should have been modded "Funny" and not "Flamebait."
Soft focus. Sunrise. Dew on the stalks. A ladybug rouses from slumber. Woman in her natural beauty walks barefoot through soft rows. A newborn baby is cradled in the arms of a woman who has, I promise you, never given birth.
The cutline/voiceover -- "Corn syrup. Made from nature. As natural as Hollywood breasts."
Checking your comment history, your sole purpose on this board seems to be extolling the virtues of the Chinese government and what a great guy Hu Jintao is. I hope you're cashing those checks.
Playmate of the month standing in Iowa cornfield in cutoffs and a red-checked shirt tied around her breasts. She looks into the camera, smiles and says "There's nothing sweeter..."
Slashdot Mirror
After seeing the video Wikileaks released today, we can no longer say the anonymous coward doesn't have a point.
I haven't watched the video
You really need to watch the video before speaking this time.
OK, responding seriously this time and going by the black letter without resorting to "value" judgements, we don't need to write laws.
The officers on the scene did not have the authority to release the photos. The officers are already in violation of department policy. They're already guilty of a fireable offense. Since the officers are outside of policy, they lose the immunity against private lawsuits. The city is now also culpable because the police violated written policy, hence the lawsuit.
But there's no way you can say you can do XYZ, but only if your motivation is socially acceptable, and doesn't bother anyone...
Have you by any chance seen our nation's pornography laws? :-)
I need a better word for "morally bankrupt," "ethically callous," "ghoulish behavior." Have at it, Roget. :-)
I'm not saying you should find that acceptable, but you should attempt to UNDERSTAND it.
I work a lot of municipal security too. I also work with a lot of cops. I grew up military.
I do understand it. I don't find it acceptable. I'm completely willing to allow these two officers to resign from the force and enter the care of a mental health professional on the city's dime.
My willingness to agree to this is contingent on one thing: that we also require the voting adults in question to watch videos of Predator drone strikes, the aftermath of bombings in civilian areas, and so forth. Showing atrocities and horrific events is (or can be) important, but if you only show the consequences of one side's actions, you're not informing or "providing context", you're pushing propaganda by trying to excite people's desire for revenge.
Certainly. I completely agree with you. I'm always in favor of more information to the voters, not less. We intentionally don't cover military funerals any more, nor de we allow actual reporting from the war theater as we did in WWII and Vietnam. The Pentagon put these policies in place intentionally to keep the voters at large in the dark.
It's outright treason against Jefferson's legacy, and it dishonors the soldiers who gave their lives. It's shameful.
We absolutely should show ALL of it.
Sure. I can agree with that. The girl paid for her crimes with her life. The parents paid for theirs by burying their teenage daughter.
The only ones who haven't been held responsible yet are the cops on the scene.
The problem is that ALL police carry the force of Law, the color of Authority and the ability to use deadly force. Their testimony carries the presumption of truth in the courtroom. We invest them with an ENORMOUS amount of power in our society.
NONE of them should be unprofessional. We give them far too much power to tolerate even the appearance of bad behavior. If you are not truly "One of the City's Finest," then you need to be out of the uniform.
...identified the victim in the photos and sent them out as a Halloween joke. The images flew across the Internet and the same sick people who frequent the gore sites across the internet emailed the images back to the family with taunts, ridicule and abuse.
Sure, the girl drove under the influence. She paid for it with her life. I think that's sufficient punishment. Her parents buried their teenage daughter. I think that's more than enough punishment.
Speaking as a father, the bad guys in this story are the officers on the scene. How they could think it was OK to use those photos for their own sick little joke on Halloween is beyond me. How they could think they had the authority to release those photos to the public at large is beyond me. Has law enforcement become so craven in this country they don't understand what we mean by "respect for the dead?"
I've seen the Daniel Pearl and Nick Berg videos. I think they should be required viewing for every adult of voting age in this country, because seeing those two videos provides context for foreign policy decisions we need to vote on. I can even see the usefulness of "mechanized death" videos that try to make a point with immortal 16-year-olds, provided the footage is anonymous and separated by a healthy number of years.
However, I can also see the difference between a major newsworthy event that should inform foreign policy and two ghouls in uniform getting their sick little jollies at the expense of grieving parents. Sick minds like these need doctors and asylums, not badges and guns.
When you look at yorself in the mirror, I want you to understand that that line --
"at the same time I get some free labor "
-- is what makes you a bad person.
Yes, your conscience should bother you about this. Pay your people the wages they deserve. Don't exploit them just because they're desperate in a lousy job market.
Read the article. I understand -- and my experience was -- that interns as currently used are basically workers in all but name.
However, the federal definition of an intern is that they DON'T produce value for a company. "Internships" are basically supposed to be charitable positions. Companies are supposed to be able to provide in detail the learning program of the interns they are supposed to be TEACHING, not exploiting. The company is expected to LOSE money on an internship, hence the tax breaks they're given.
The facy that most companies work interns like employees is basically half a step up from child labor, akin to a high school teacher who sleeps with one of their students the day she turns 18. Even if you manage to skirt the rules -- which really you don't -- it's still pretty repugnant.
Read the article. The companies were fined a small fraction of what the intern's wages would have been. It's as if the penalty for robbing a bank was that you'd have to give back twenty percent of the take, and then, only for the times that you were actually found guilty at trial.
Such "enforcement" is worse than none at all. At least if no company were caught and "punished," there might still be the risk of real penalty in the future. Now, the companies know for a fact that IF they're caught, the penalty will only be a fraction of what they owed anyway.
Imagine if the IRS came to you and said, "If we catch you cheating on your taxes, you can be assured we'll make you pay a fifth of what you owe."
The Canim community frowns upon your shenanigans.
The only thing I would add to your post is that most of your statements above that begin with "If" have actually happened, so perhaps those sentences should be written with "When" instead of "If."
For some reason, we no longer teach American History 1920-1940 in this country....
*smile*
"As a manager, I posted for an entry level position "
"I ended up getting the best candidate -- over twelve years of experience pertinent to my business, glowing reviews from previous employers and excellent interpersonal skills."
"Is it fair? Maybe not."
There, right there, is why I don't teach. I cannot, in good conscience, tell some poor kid to work hard, stay in school, study like a madman, fight for good grades, and work 80 hours a week to put himself through school like I did, knowing that there won't be a job for him.
We all know this economy HAS NO entry-level jobs. The same people who so cavalierly smirk "life ain't fair" will be the same people whining and gibbering the loudest when the young we've screwed over pass the "Mandatory Euthanasia/Nutrition Enhancement Act of 2025."
As the next generation straps me and the whiners into the gurneys so we can watch the pretty movie while the drugs start dripping down our IVs, I look forward to finding the fattest, loudest schmucks bawling the like Glenn Beck and telling them, "It's OK. Life ain't fair," before it all goes black.
Just read the essay. Makes me want to weep for my past and my children's future. Why isn't that author just flat-out in charge of education in the US, period?
Now for the horror. The problems the author takes such a perceptive ax to in this essay? They're not just in mathematics education. They PERVADE the system. EVERY subject is taught this badly.
We're going through the cargo cult motions, but we aren't actually teaching a thing.
I watched those murderous thugs kill, counting conservatively, 3,000 kids to keep their grip on political power.
The recent PR spin that those same men have put out to whitewash that slaughter nauseates me.
When you came along and suggested that leaving those men in place was best for China, yeah, I got angry and offended. I still am. Talk to Harry Wu about what a great plan that is.
Yeah, generally they used that one to advertise feminine hygiene products, but it could be repurposed for HFCS just as well.
Script Cat is quoting a serious of pushy Corn Industry commercials that play here in the United States. He should have been modded "Funny" and not "Flamebait."
Yep, I can see that commercial too.
Soft focus. Sunrise. Dew on the stalks. A ladybug rouses from slumber. Woman in her natural beauty walks barefoot through soft rows. A newborn baby is cradled in the arms of a woman who has, I promise you, never given birth.
The cutline/voiceover -- "Corn syrup. Made from nature. As natural as Hollywood breasts."
Now, now, this commercial airs in primetime. That's why we posted the red-band trailer at www.syrupy-goodness.com. :-)
Checking your comment history, your sole purpose on this board seems to be extolling the virtues of the Chinese government and what a great guy Hu Jintao is. I hope you're cashing those checks.
In the rest of the world, we remember that Hu Jintao was instrumental in the Tiananmen massacre. Tell your boss to keep washing his hands. That blood's not gonna come off any time soon.
Playmate of the month standing in Iowa cornfield in cutoffs and a red-checked shirt tied around her breasts. She looks into the camera, smiles and says "There's nothing sweeter..."
HFCS sales triple the next week.
Madison Avenue kicks Princeton's butt every time.