Bah! We on/. know enough about this story - Microsoft said something and the end result was Sony couldn't display PS2. Therefore MS is in the wrong. Show rules? Rules be damned!! MS is wrong. Do you hear me...MS is wrong!!!
I read this story yesterday - I wish I'd submitted it and reversed the Sony and MS roles. The feedback here would have been much different I'll bet.
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2nd try - can't bee too hard. 'cogniscient banana'
"AMD just needs to market a single part of the computer that is fully compatable with everything else the person runs"
Sure but they also have to convince Mom & Pop buying Junior a new computer that the 1.6Ghz AMD machine that is $500 cheaper than the 2 Ghz Intel machine is actually FASTER than the Intel box on most of the applications they will run. They will inevitably ask 'How is that possible?' whereupon the salesperson (assuming he knows anything) will begin to talk about pipelines, operations per cycle, etc. then Mom & Pop's eyes will glaze over and they will likely decide to get junior the PC that has the same CPU as the Dell his friend bought.
IMO - trying to explain CPU architecture to the general public is a losing battle.
Anyone building their own machine who isn't resourceful enough to determine the clock speed of their CPU probably shouldn't be building a PC in the first place. You can bet as soon as these things hit the market some will have an app (i.e. WCPUID ) to give you the true clock speed of the processor.
I'm not sure about Canadians being more tech literate but out governments have played active roles in promoting tech literacy. I think this has helped the spread broadband connections and internet connectivity in general. When I bought a PC 4 or 5 years ago my province (NB) refunded the tax portion of the purchace. Also broadband connections such as ADSL are much less of a headache to obtain than they are (AFAIK) in the US - I ordered mine from my telco, only one company to deal with, and 4 days later was hooked up without any problems - and I live in a small community (10000 pop.).
'The educators need to be educated on what is really an offence'
Exactly.
When I was in school (~12 years ago also) while working on some Qbasic prog (or something like that) I 'found' a test question database that belonged to our biology instructor. After copying it and telling too many people, someone eventually went to the instructor and told him I had the test questions to the final to which he replied 'if they're resourceful enough to get the questions they can have them.'
This instructor knew something about computing and wasn't scared of it. He rewarded the curious minds (we really had no malicious intent) and not the snitches. Beats the hell out of being expelled.
"Products could appear within three to five years, depending on the development time required to bring laboratory prototypes through a product development cycle as a finished product."
Ever notice all cool tech is at least 3-5 years away from being used by consumers?
I once worked in a combined AS/400 WinNT shop and was on call for 2 weeks every 2 months. We were paid and extra $300 or so for the trouble. There was a period where management for the IT dept. thought the on call staff were getting too many pages/calls at home (so did we!) so they implemented a plan where the department from which the call was made was charged $60 per incident - this cut out many of the frivilous calls. Managers don't like to pay for stuff they don't deem necessary and certain things don't seem as important when they impact your bottom line.
...but should there really be this kind of duplication in the industry? Surely this is not a healthy situation.
No - it isn't a totally healthy situation but I think that it is a situation which will fix itself. These people are making games in a market economy - if you make a poor Q3:A knockoff nobody will buy it and you'll be out of a job.
OTOH, there are some good examples of great things being done with existing, licensed technology. For instance Half-Life, which took modified id software technology and created a game which raised the bar for FPS' beyond what id themselves have done. Really, if you have a great game design and you can buy tech that gets you 80% 'there' in terms of supporting your design you probably should buy before you build.
So where would you suggest the announcement be 'aimed'? A forum full of *nix-using open source advocates such as/. seems to me to be the perfect place to heighten awareness of this software. Being a non-programmer announcements about pre-release open source projects might not interest you (maybe zdnet.com would suit you better?) however I would venture to guess that it did interest a great many here as when I tried to access the page it appeared to be/.'ed
Sure, with time the T-Bird will outperform its Intel counterparts but the problem with that is before long its counterpart will be Willamette which will be a tough act to top. In addition to that I've yet to hear what AMD is planning to counter Willamette - hopefully DDR enabled chipsets/mobos can pick up the slack because the T-Bird in its this incarnation doesn't appear to be up to the task. A disappointed AMD supporter...
Don't forget all you've seen so far is Carmack's side of the story. While it may be accurate he has by his own admission taken a 'side' on the issue which is against the other owners so it stands to reason that they are being portrayed in a not-so-good light. As far as what the development staff want to do - how do we know what they want to do? It could have been just Carmack and Steed that were that adamant about working on DOOM for all we know (although granted it was likely more than just those two). It'll be interesting to see how this shakes down - I wouldn't want to be a new hire coming into id right now. Look at all the people who have left recently, Hook, Cash, James, etc. - it must be one helluva work environment! Now the owners are fighting and pitching ultimatums - could be the beginning of the end for idsoftware...
The issue is not only what is the best way they should be paid but how much they should be paid as well. Why should I as the consumer pay for a whole CD of music when only 30-40% of it appeals to me. The music industry is notorious for this, releasing an album with 3 or 4 'hits' - or even worse a 'greatest hits' compilation with say 2 *bonus* tracks of new material. The Net will allow and encourage the sale of individual songs.
As has been mention a number of times previously - the consumer has been ripped off for years by the record industry by them not passing down the savings they have seen as CD manufacturing costs have come down. The MP3 revolution may help bring the price of music to its 'true' value which the market allows. Maybe musicians will not be able to command enough money for their work to afford them the opulent lifestyle a successful album (or 2 or 3 songs) would give them in the past because the consumer is not willing to pay that much - this might even force some artists to push out the record company middleman - possible? It will be interesting to see.
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Bah! We on /. know enough about this story - Microsoft said something and the end result was Sony couldn't display PS2. Therefore MS is in the wrong. Show rules? Rules be damned!! MS is wrong. Do you hear me...MS is wrong!!!
I read this story yesterday - I wish I'd submitted it and reversed the Sony and MS roles. The feedback here would have been much different I'll bet.
2nd try - can't bee too hard. 'cogniscient banana'
"AMD just needs to market a single part of the computer that is fully compatable with everything else the person runs"
Sure but they also have to convince Mom & Pop buying Junior a new computer that the 1.6Ghz AMD machine that is $500 cheaper than the 2 Ghz Intel machine is actually FASTER than the Intel box on most of the applications they will run. They will inevitably ask 'How is that possible?' whereupon the salesperson (assuming he knows anything) will begin to talk about pipelines, operations per cycle, etc. then Mom & Pop's eyes will glaze over and they will likely decide to get junior the PC that has the same CPU as the Dell his friend bought.
IMO - trying to explain CPU architecture to the general public is a losing battle.
Anyone building their own machine who isn't resourceful enough to determine the clock speed of their CPU probably shouldn't be building a PC in the first place. You can bet as soon as these things hit the market some will have an app (i.e. WCPUID ) to give you the true clock speed of the processor.
...and labs of rabbits and mice to test hairspray toxicity, instead of testing on people.
We as a society don't place as much value on animal life as human life or even the potential of human life.
I hope you're from UK,Germany or Czech Rep. - otherwise you have no right to talk.
A few months ago our very own /. ran a story on how people are getting around (albeit voiding warranty) the M$ only OS deal Starband apparently struck.
Check out Starband
I'm not sure about Canadians being more tech literate but out governments have played active roles in promoting tech literacy. I think this has helped the spread broadband connections and internet connectivity in general. When I bought a PC 4 or 5 years ago my province (NB) refunded the tax portion of the purchace. Also broadband connections such as ADSL are much less of a headache to obtain than they are (AFAIK) in the US - I ordered mine from my telco, only one company to deal with, and 4 days later was hooked up without any problems - and I live in a small community (10000 pop.).
Are you kidding? The only way that'll happen is if Stockwell Day embarasses the CA party faithful back to PC.
'The educators need to be educated on what is really an offence' Exactly. When I was in school (~12 years ago also) while working on some Qbasic prog (or something like that) I 'found' a test question database that belonged to our biology instructor. After copying it and telling too many people, someone eventually went to the instructor and told him I had the test questions to the final to which he replied 'if they're resourceful enough to get the questions they can have them.' This instructor knew something about computing and wasn't scared of it. He rewarded the curious minds (we really had no malicious intent) and not the snitches. Beats the hell out of being expelled.
Ever notice all cool tech is at least 3-5 years away from being used by consumers?
I once worked in a combined AS/400 WinNT shop and was on call for 2 weeks every 2 months. We were paid and extra $300 or so for the trouble. There was a period where management for the IT dept. thought the on call staff were getting too many pages/calls at home (so did we!) so they implemented a plan where the department from which the call was made was charged $60 per incident - this cut out many of the frivilous calls. Managers don't like to pay for stuff they don't deem necessary and certain things don't seem as important when they impact your bottom line.
No - it isn't a totally healthy situation but I think that it is a situation which will fix itself. These people are making games in a market economy - if you make a poor Q3:A knockoff nobody will buy it and you'll be out of a job. OTOH, there are some good examples of great things being done with existing, licensed technology. For instance Half-Life, which took modified id software technology and created a game which raised the bar for FPS' beyond what id themselves have done. Really, if you have a great game design and you can buy tech that gets you 80% 'there' in terms of supporting your design you probably should buy before you build.
You might want to mention that he said this in 1996. By most all accounts D3D has come a long way since then.
"This announcement hasn't been "aimed" at all."
/. seems to me to be the perfect place to heighten awareness of this software. Being a non-programmer announcements about pre-release open source projects might not interest you (maybe zdnet.com would suit you better?) however I would venture to guess that it did interest a great many here as when I tried to access the page it appeared to be /.'ed
So where would you suggest the announcement be 'aimed'? A forum full of *nix-using open source advocates such as
Sure, with time the T-Bird will outperform its Intel counterparts but the problem with that is before long its counterpart will be Willamette which will be a tough act to top. In addition to that I've yet to hear what AMD is planning to counter Willamette - hopefully DDR enabled chipsets/mobos can pick up the slack because the T-Bird in its this incarnation doesn't appear to be up to the task. A disappointed AMD supporter...
Don't forget all you've seen so far is Carmack's side of the story. While it may be accurate he has by his own admission taken a 'side' on the issue which is against the other owners so it stands to reason that they are being portrayed in a not-so-good light. As far as what the development staff want to do - how do we know what they want to do? It could have been just Carmack and Steed that were that adamant about working on DOOM for all we know (although granted it was likely more than just those two). It'll be interesting to see how this shakes down - I wouldn't want to be a new hire coming into id right now. Look at all the people who have left recently, Hook, Cash, James, etc. - it must be one helluva work environment! Now the owners are fighting and pitching ultimatums - could be the beginning of the end for idsoftware...
The issue is not only what is the best way they should be paid but how much they should be paid as well. Why should I as the consumer pay for a whole CD of music when only 30-40% of it appeals to me. The music industry is notorious for this, releasing an album with 3 or 4 'hits' - or even worse a 'greatest hits' compilation with say 2 *bonus* tracks of new material. The Net will allow and encourage the sale of individual songs.
As has been mention a number of times previously - the consumer has been ripped off for years by the record industry by them not passing down the savings they have seen as CD manufacturing costs have come down. The MP3 revolution may help bring the price of music to its 'true' value which the market allows. Maybe musicians will not be able to command enough money for their work to afford them the opulent lifestyle a successful album (or 2 or 3 songs) would give them in the past because the consumer is not willing to pay that much - this might even force some artists to push out the record company middleman - possible? It will be interesting to see.