I heard Gnome has "portability problems". Considering you need about 3,000 other libraries to be installed before you can compile GNOME, I haven't bothered.
And why is CDE a crummy interface? (other than it's a memory hog) I feel it's much better than Open Look, but Window Maker is better still (and it's only supposed to be a window manager!)
Don't forget the Solaris version jump from 2.6 to 7.
Their reasoning for that, BTW, is that they aren't going to make any changes to Solaris big enough to justify releasing Solaris 3. So, since it's going to be 2.x forever, they just decided to drop the 2. Which makes me wonder when they're going to replace Solaris entirely...
And, confusing the issue further, there's now Solaris 7 the original, Solaris 7 3/99 release, and soon I hear Solaris 7 5/99 release. Although I guess they were doing the same thing with Maintenance Release X, these releases now include driver updates for x86. Of course, that means if you buy a release through the Free Solaris promotion and it has buggy or missing drivers, you have to pay for the update. Not too cool IMHO.
If designed right, it should be able to access 32 GB.
Sun has done it already with Solaris 7 3/99 release:
The Physical Address Extension (PAE) is a new feature of the Intel platform edition of the 3/99 update that provides greater scalability and higher performance for Intel Pentium Pro systems. It allows you to address up to 32 Gbytes of physical memory on a Pentium Pro system. By addressing more physical memory, more processes can reside concurrently in the same physical memory, allowing you to run multiple databases and memory-intensive applications that support large numbers of users.
I would think that any processor based on the PPro would also be able to access 32GB RAM in the same manner. www.x86.org has information on using 36-bit paging and 2MB pages on the PPro (though according to them they're called _page_ address extensions, not physical address extensions). Wouldn't that give you 64GB though?
P.S. I'd lke to see the Intel system that can hold 32GB RAM....
Well, I can't host the 25-MB tar.gz file that I've created as I only have 3 MB.
I'm not sure of all the stuff that is needed but I tarred up the entire mozilla/dist directory and followed symlinks. (Otherwise most files wouldn't be there...)
Besides, there are still too many bugs in it, number one being that buttons in HTML don't seem to work!
It's slow because it's interpreted. I'd hate to see how slow it ran _before_ there were JIT compilers.
About the only thing that would make Java fast enough, given its compiled-then-interpreted nature, would be a chip whose native instruction set is Java bytecodes.
As for the language being bad, here's my personal list:
1. No assertions 2. No preprocessor, making global constant declaration needlessly difficult 3. Errors that IMHO should be warnings 4. "ObjectInputStream constructor under certain conditions blocks program execution" is not a bug -- must be done in a particular order for server-client programs
OK, so 3 is a _feature_ (strong typing).
If you have a Java Developer Connection account, just look at the Bug Parade. There are far too many things to work around in Java.
The one thing Java is useful for is making a decent GUI, though they're going to change that with Swing. Eventually AWT programs will break.
Most importantly, it is a package format that "isn't". If you want to use packages with the distro, then you can; If you don't want to use packages, you can just untar the.slp's.
So it's still just tarred gzipped binaries. Big deal.
Well, I don't have a palm anything, so I had to use the java demo.
It seems extremely cumbersome with a mouse. But then again, it's not designed to be used with one.
Anyone got a light pen and X drivers? Using a light pen would be a more fair assessment, considering what the program is designed for, than using the clunky mouse.
But I still want to see the SPECfp numbers. (not bloody likely since you need an expensive license)
I have a feeling that the Alpha 21264 will _still_ toast the K7 on SPECfp at half the MHz. Unfortunately, the 21264 is sort of out of my price range -- unless someone sells it for a lot less than Compaq does at around $7000 for NT and $10000 for Digital^H^H^H^H^H^H^HTru64 Unix.
Of course, on the 21264, just about all my Windows 95 games are useless. Looks like the K7 wins...
I've looked at these cases, and they still look too, well, ordinary. What I can't believe is that they claim that their cases will "*Drastically increase the overall quality & value of the entire system." Erhm... quality and value depends on what's _inside_ the case, not the case itself.
Meanwhile, I have one of those plain beige cases... but I hope to rectify that as soon as the K7 is released and I get to upgrade. Then I'll make my case look like either graffiti or a Pollock painting, depending on if the art gods are with me:-)
AND I intend to use PINK, along with as many other colors as possible over a field of solid navy blue:-P
Oh well, despite my best efforts, it will still be a rectangular parallelpied (sp?), unlike certain boxen from SGI or Apple.
This is sure to increase productivity -- having ads for all kinds of crap you don't really need pop up at random times while you're trying to concentrate on writing the the company's annual report, which, by the way, was due yesterday.
About the only hope is that software vendors won't bother to put them in the Unix versions of software because they wouldn't be profitable enough. Of course then they wouldn't produce software for Unix at all...:(
The Web is bad enough with their banner ads -- I don't want them invading my desktop.
Besides, there are plenty of other ways to get money: subscription mode, where a one-time payment gets you all the updates for a certain time; or support, where the software costs very little but you can order 24x365 phone support for extra.
Choose? Only if you don't have enough money for both. I explicitly deny that "we can't have are cake and not eat it" has any meaning whatsoever.
What you do is: wait in line for the 12:01 AM showing, catch a few Z's, then be at (insert favorite software store here) at opening time for Q3A.
Or get Q3A first then wait in line for Star Wars.
And, yes folks, if you can't get one or the other on May 19th, there's always May 20, 21, 22, 23,... This ain't exactly a "Your money or your life! I'm thinking it over!" situation here.
Well, I wish I could see what all the hubbub is about, but somehow you've all managed to slashdot a Netscape Enterprise server on Solaris.
Didn't think that was possible...
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Just pray the kids never get their hands on XEvil.
Quote from the homepage: "O.K., kids... let's get this straight. XEvil is not for meek, peace-loving, "I love you, you love me..." types of people. The fans of XEvil enjoy it because of its shameless displays of blood and violence, of people getting lit on fire, getting shot, being ripped up by chainsaws, getting high on drugs, and burst open by aliens."
And the "story"? "You sinned in life. And now you must pay. Satan pits the recently deceased against each other to fight for rank in Hell. Your skill determines your fate for all eternity. This contest is known as XEvil."
A lot of people would FREAK OUT if this game got popular among teens. Dunno why it isn't already -- you can get it on Windoze as well as the almighty X. But, of course, like DOOM, it's only a game -- not that that would stop the Christian fundamentalists from trying to get it banned in the US.
I don't think you can blame Doom, Marilyn Manson (at this point, I consider him a glam rocker, though still pretty dark), or Rammstein (Herzeleid is better than Sehnsucht, BTW -- IMHO) for this. You have to blame the parents first for not raising the kids to know right from wrong and the schools second for not teaching right and wrong.
Considering that the target market for YaLD (cap?) is the new Linux user, a segment who is probably used to the Windows interface, I see it as a good choice for them.
I, on the other hand, don't _want_ my UNIX to look like Windows. Therefore, I don't use KDE.
I thought the Instant Messaging stuff was just more unnecessary bloat, and as such, was a Bad Thing for Mozilla.
I'd rather see them put some sort of Java (yeah, I hate Java, but there's so many sites that use it that it's almost a necessity) support in it instead... at least that would be "necessary" bloat.
ARGH... I had a long comparison of the distributions I've used... but I was compiling Mozilla on Solaris/x86 with not enough RAM+swap and the thing logged me out... ^*&%$*(%
Anyway, here's a summary of what I was going to say...
Slackware hardly does anything for you, (no, not even X) and you have to convert RPM packages to tar.gzs or cpios (or use -nodeps for _every _single_package_, if you decide to get it). Even though it was the first I used, I wouldn't recommend it to the newbie.
The version of Stampede I used was Slackware with an nfs site set up for installs, everything compiled with pgcc, and glibc2 as the default. Oh yeah, they renamed.tgz packages to.slp. Dunno if they got the new installer ready yet or not.
Caldera OpenLinux was overly customized. They even used a DE which was not KDE, not GNOME, but some proprietary thing. Probably shouldn't expect that part to change for the new release.
RedHat is the one you can go into Best Buy and purchase with a manual. I haven't tried it though.
S.u.S.E has the best install/admin tool I've seen, YaST. You can do almost every admin job you would need from there. IIRC, though, some config files were marked "Do not edit" or "You MUST run suseconfig after editing this file", which is a Bad Thing. It does use RPMs, but if they were truly compatible why would Gnome need a seperate page for S.u.S.E RPMs?
Debian has the most current packages, some (potentially) too current for your own good. Updates are super-easy thanks to dselect. However, it uses DEBs instead of RPMs, so for most precompiled software you have to use alien.
All things considered, RedHat is probably best for the masses. SuSE is good for sysadmins, Slackware for control freaks, Debian for people who love the "bleeding edge", Stampede for speed freaks, and OpenLinux for... ummm... people who think Motif is Open Source because it's made by the Open Group? Can't really come up with a good target market for that one. Maybe big corporations who need (or feel they need) a custom solution?
I've tried to try it, but NSPR just comes up with 2 undefined symbols: PR_StackPush and PR_StackPop.
This is on Solaris 2.6/X86 BTW. I've looked, and sure enough, there's no definitions in the SunOS.c file.
I guess I could attempt to fix it, but seeing as I'm too lazy and I don't have the C/C++ expertise yet, I've given up. I sent a message to Netscape's public.mozilla.nspr, but no reply.
So now I have glib and gtk wasting a bit of my HD space. *sigh*
It's good to see Affected Original Code narrowly defined and the termination-on-patent-suit and export clauses deleted.
I remember that copyleft part about you having to make your modified code available for 6 to 12 months was in the first version, so nothing new there.
Apple still has the right to do whatever they want with your modifications; I guess that's to be expected since they have to have some control over their product.
They modified the wording about you having to post a pointer to your changes at their website; now it says "if available". So in case Apple or that web page dies, you don't have to post there anymore.
So, I guess there's only one thing left to say:
LET THE PORTS BEGIN!
Now if I cold only remember my username and password for their site...:->
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I heard Gnome has "portability problems". Considering you need about 3,000 other libraries to be installed before you can compile GNOME, I haven't bothered.
And why is CDE a crummy interface? (other than it's a memory hog) I feel it's much better than Open Look, but Window Maker is better still (and it's only supposed to be a window manager!)
Don't forget the Solaris version jump from 2.6 to 7.
Their reasoning for that, BTW, is that they aren't going to make any changes to Solaris big enough to justify releasing Solaris 3. So, since it's going to be 2.x forever, they just decided to drop the 2. Which makes me wonder when they're going to replace Solaris entirely...
And, confusing the issue further, there's now Solaris 7 the original, Solaris 7 3/99 release, and soon I hear Solaris 7 5/99 release. Although I guess they were doing the same thing with Maintenance Release X, these releases now include driver updates for x86. Of course, that means if you buy a release through the Free Solaris promotion and it has buggy or missing drivers, you have to pay for the update. Not too cool IMHO.
If designed right, it should be able to access 32 GB.
Sun has done it already with Solaris 7 3/99 release:
The Physical Address Extension (PAE) is a new feature of the Intel platform edition of the 3/99 update that provides greater scalability and higher performance for Intel Pentium Pro systems. It allows you to address up to 32 Gbytes of physical memory on a Pentium Pro system. By addressing more physical memory, more processes can reside concurrently in the same physical memory, allowing you to run multiple databases and memory-intensive applications that support large numbers of users.
I would think that any processor based on the PPro would also be able to access 32GB RAM in the same manner. www.x86.org has information on using 36-bit paging and 2MB pages on the PPro (though according to them they're called _page_ address extensions, not physical address extensions). Wouldn't that give you 64GB though?
P.S. I'd lke to see the Intel system that can hold 32GB RAM....
Well, I can't host the 25-MB tar.gz file that I've created as I only have 3 MB.
I'm not sure of all the stuff that is needed but I tarred up the entire mozilla/dist directory and followed symlinks. (Otherwise most files wouldn't be there...)
Besides, there are still too many bugs in it, number one being that buttons in HTML don't seem to work!
I can only help you if you're using Solaris/x86 2.6 (assuming it compiles this time around.)
More info in 2-3 hours.
No, I mean I could be playing NOW if I still had Linux. Now I have to wait for the Windows version.
for converting to SOlaris...
It's slow because it's interpreted. I'd hate to see how slow it ran _before_ there were JIT compilers.
About the only thing that would make Java fast enough, given its compiled-then-interpreted nature, would be a chip whose native instruction set is Java bytecodes.
As for the language being bad, here's my personal list:
1. No assertions
2. No preprocessor, making global constant declaration needlessly difficult
3. Errors that IMHO should be warnings
4. "ObjectInputStream constructor under certain conditions blocks program execution" is not a bug -- must be done in a particular order for server-client programs
OK, so 3 is a _feature_ (strong typing).
If you have a Java Developer Connection account, just look at the Bug Parade. There are far too many things to work around in Java.
The one thing Java is useful for is making a decent GUI, though they're going to change that with Swing. Eventually AWT programs will break.
Yes, but again, it's Web based, just like, oh, I dunno, 99% of Java programs out there.
I thought we were going to see real applications that were platform-independent, thanks to the magic of Java?!
From the FAQ:
.slp's.
Most importantly, it is a package format that "isn't". If you want to use packages with the distro, then you can; If you don't want to use packages, you can just untar the
So it's still just tarred gzipped binaries. Big deal.
VMSB, a VAX 7000-640
Multiprocessing is ENABLED. Streamlined synchronization image loaded.
PRIMARY CPU = 00
Active CPUs: 00 01 02 03
Configured CPUs: 00 01 02 03
And yet sometimes it takes forever to respond to my login request...
Well, I don't have a palm anything, so I had to use the java demo.
It seems extremely cumbersome with a mouse. But then again, it's not designed to be used with one.
Anyone got a light pen and X drivers? Using a light pen would be a more fair assessment, considering what the program is designed for, than using the clunky mouse.
But I still want to see the SPECfp numbers. (not bloody likely since you need an expensive license)
I have a feeling that the Alpha 21264 will _still_ toast the K7 on SPECfp at half the MHz. Unfortunately, the 21264 is sort of out of my price range -- unless someone sells it for a lot less than Compaq does at around $7000 for NT and $10000 for Digital^H^H^H^H^H^H^HTru64 Unix.
Of course, on the 21264, just about all my Windows 95 games are useless. Looks like the K7 wins...
I've looked at these cases, and they still look too, well, ordinary. What I can't believe is that they claim that their cases will "*Drastically increase the overall quality & value of the entire system." Erhm... quality and value depends on what's _inside_ the case, not the case itself.
:-)
:-P
Meanwhile, I have one of those plain beige cases... but I hope to rectify that as soon as the K7 is released and I get to upgrade. Then I'll make my case look like either graffiti or a Pollock painting, depending on if the art gods are with me
AND I intend to use PINK, along with as many other colors as possible over a field of solid navy blue
Oh well, despite my best efforts, it will still be a rectangular parallelpied (sp?), unlike certain boxen from SGI or Apple.
Not On My Desktop, brother.
:(
This is sure to increase productivity -- having ads for all kinds of crap you don't really need pop up at random times while you're trying to concentrate on writing the the company's annual report, which, by the way, was due yesterday.
About the only hope is that software vendors won't bother to put them in the Unix versions of software because they wouldn't be profitable enough. Of course then they wouldn't produce software for Unix at all...
The Web is bad enough with their banner ads -- I don't want them invading my desktop.
Besides, there are plenty of other ways to get money: subscription mode, where a one-time payment gets you all the updates for a certain time; or support, where the software costs very little but you can order 24x365 phone support for extra.
Unfortunately, it won't work if you aren't root, voice recognition or not.
Choose? Only if you don't have enough money for both. I explicitly deny that "we can't have are cake and not eat it" has any meaning whatsoever.
What you do is: wait in line for the 12:01 AM showing, catch a few Z's, then be at (insert favorite software store here) at opening time for Q3A.
Or get Q3A first then wait in line for Star Wars.
And, yes folks, if you can't get one or the other on May 19th, there's always May 20, 21, 22, 23,... This ain't exactly a "Your money or your life! I'm thinking it over!" situation here.
Well, I wish I could see what all the hubbub is about, but somehow you've all managed to slashdot a Netscape Enterprise server on Solaris.
Didn't think that was possible...
Just pray the kids never get their hands on XEvil.
Quote from the homepage: "O.K., kids... let's get this straight. XEvil is not for meek, peace-loving, "I love you, you love me..." types of people. The fans of XEvil enjoy it because of its shameless displays of blood and violence, of people getting lit on fire, getting shot, being ripped up by chainsaws, getting high on drugs, and burst open by aliens."
And the "story"? "You sinned in life. And now you must pay. Satan pits the recently deceased against each other to fight for rank in Hell. Your skill determines your fate for all eternity. This contest is known as XEvil."
A lot of people would FREAK OUT if this game got popular among teens. Dunno why it isn't already -- you can get it on Windoze as well as the almighty X. But, of course, like DOOM, it's only a game -- not that that would stop the Christian fundamentalists from trying to get it banned in the US.
I don't think you can blame Doom, Marilyn Manson (at this point, I consider him a glam rocker, though still pretty dark), or Rammstein (Herzeleid is better than Sehnsucht, BTW -- IMHO) for this. You have to blame the parents first for not raising the kids to know right from wrong and the schools second for not teaching right and wrong.
My user account here at school is on a VAX!
:-)
But you could probably tell from the VMS in my mail address...
No, I'm not giving you my password either.
One question: Can you get the model name from the commad line, and if so, how?
Considering that the target market for YaLD (cap?) is the new Linux user, a segment who is probably used to the Windows interface, I see it as a good choice for them.
I, on the other hand, don't _want_ my UNIX to look like Windows. Therefore, I don't use KDE.
I thought the Instant Messaging stuff was just more unnecessary bloat, and as such, was a Bad Thing for Mozilla.
I'd rather see them put some sort of Java (yeah, I hate Java, but there's so many sites that use it that it's almost a necessity) support in it instead... at least that would be "necessary" bloat.
ARGH... I had a long comparison of the distributions I've used... but I was compiling Mozilla on Solaris/x86 with not enough RAM+swap and the thing logged me out... ^*&%$*(%
.tgz packages to .slp. Dunno if they got the new installer ready yet or not.
Anyway, here's a summary of what I was going to say...
Slackware hardly does anything for you, (no, not even X) and you have to convert RPM packages to tar.gzs or cpios (or use -nodeps for _every _single_package_, if you decide to get it). Even though it was the first I used, I wouldn't recommend it to the newbie.
The version of Stampede I used was Slackware with an nfs site set up for installs, everything compiled with pgcc, and glibc2 as the default. Oh yeah, they renamed
Caldera OpenLinux was overly customized. They even used a DE which was not KDE, not GNOME, but some proprietary thing. Probably shouldn't expect that part to change for the new release.
RedHat is the one you can go into Best Buy and purchase with a manual. I haven't tried it though.
S.u.S.E has the best install/admin tool I've seen, YaST. You can do almost every admin job you would need from there. IIRC, though, some config files were marked "Do not edit" or "You MUST run suseconfig after editing this file", which is a Bad Thing. It does use RPMs, but if they were truly compatible why would Gnome need a seperate page for S.u.S.E RPMs?
Debian has the most current packages, some (potentially) too current for your own good. Updates are super-easy thanks to dselect. However, it uses DEBs instead of RPMs, so for most precompiled software you have to use alien.
All things considered, RedHat is probably best for the masses. SuSE is good for sysadmins, Slackware for control freaks, Debian for people who love the "bleeding edge", Stampede for speed freaks, and OpenLinux for... ummm... people who think Motif is Open Source because it's made by the Open Group? Can't really come up with a good target market for that one. Maybe big corporations who need (or feel they need) a custom solution?
I've tried to try it, but NSPR just comes up with 2 undefined symbols: PR_StackPush and PR_StackPop.
This is on Solaris 2.6/X86 BTW. I've looked, and sure enough, there's no definitions in the SunOS.c file.
I guess I could attempt to fix it, but seeing as I'm too lazy and I don't have the C/C++ expertise yet, I've given up. I sent a message to Netscape's public.mozilla.nspr, but no reply.
So now I have glib and gtk wasting a bit of my HD space. *sigh*
It's good to see Affected Original Code narrowly defined and the termination-on-patent-suit and export clauses deleted.
:->
I remember that copyleft part about you having to make your modified code available for 6 to 12 months was in the first version, so nothing new there.
Apple still has the right to do whatever they want with your modifications; I guess that's to be expected since they have to have some control over their product.
They modified the wording about you having to post a pointer to your changes at their website; now it says "if available". So in case Apple or that web page dies, you don't have to post there anymore.
So, I guess there's only one thing left to say:
LET THE PORTS BEGIN!
Now if I cold only remember my username and password for their site...