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S.u.S.E. 6.1 Ships Today
Drizzeth writes "Today S.u.S.E. Linux 6.1 will be released, this is what's new:
Kernel 2.2.5, XFree86TM 3.3.3.1, Support for all 3Dfx cards:
Voodoo I + II (accelerated)
Voodoo Rush (accelerated)
Voodoo Banshee / Voodoo III (beta),
KDE 1.1 with koffice, GNOME 1.0, Ghostscript 5.10, ijb (non-cacheing HTTP proxy server that filters contents as described in the configuration files), freeamp (MP3-Player), netbeans (Cross-plattform Java IDE, Demo)
And lots of updates."
As far as I know, glide support for the banshee and 3dfx is still in development.
Maybe they are referring to support within the X server.
If there is glide support for the banshee, i would sure like to know, I have been reading the relevant newsgroups waiting for a release, but the developer (from glide.xxedgexx.com) says there won't be a glide release for a while yet.
I'm pretty sure this would just be referring to the X server though.
Aaron
SuSE 6.1 international has been scheduled
.0 RedHat releases.
for release on May 1st (but that's Saturday)
since before 6.1 Deutsch came out. They typically release the English version 1 month after the German one, like now. This is a smart thing, because it any immediate big problem will show up in their (more forgiving) local market, and won't get burned in a global scale.
That means that I feel more confident getting any release of SuSE than of RedHat. And definitely stay clear of
It IS very suspicious this RH 6.0 preorder thing
announced the same day SuSE is coming out.
Ther German version was out. English is one
of the flavors of the _International_ version.
Sorry folks, USA is not the Center of the World
all the time.
French and Italian May 10th.
You can buy MetroLink Motif+KL PDS for
122 Euro!!!
The KL stuff is $5000 on big name Unix!
tradeup.ch lists it for about 10 CHF less, taking
into account shipping, but not until June 1st.
Needless to say, I bought directly from suse.de
If there're major goofs, the German will take them.
And remember, the German version was released on April 19th, so there's no time to add new things,
just to stop something horrible from hitting
the world.
I find it amusing that Red Hat jumped from 5.2 to 6.0. Oddly this was the same version number as SuSE. Let's see 5.0, 5.1, 5.2, then 6.0. Hmmm...I wonder if RH didn't want to be perceived as 'behind' SuSE.
Aside from a few things, RH 6.0 is really just an upgrade release. Do you really think the differences justify the 5.2-6.0 jump? I thought it was odd.
(And the Gnome panel is still Chock Full O' Bugs (tm)).
They try to match to make it clearer to consumers
(SuSE does this very well), but still they haven't
got it right.
They call 5.0, 5.1, 5.2 - Internal sequential logic. Now 6.0 (`the first something').
Meanwhile, SuSE calls 5.3 the `after RH 5.0 product', which makes sense, because it's newer.
RH comes up with 5.1 (before or after SuSE 5.3? see?), And then RH 5.2 after Suse 5.3 (before SuSE 6.0? 2.2 kernel? see again?)
SuSE calls their first 2.2 product 6.0.
The new RH should not be called 6.0, but 6.1 at least, and probably 6.2. Except for saying: "This SUCKS. Please don't buy it".
You don't need that either. Use odd minors for
nice versions, and even ones for those that suck,
like IRIX 5.2 vs. IRIX 5.3 (but by IRIX 6, things get real messy: 6.0 new and on supers, 6.2 is good but not used by big machines, 6.3 on O2, 6.4 on Octane;
6.5 is a resource hog, and was pretty broken, but is an all-platform release, i.e. `good' release
in the most important sense at the time).
IIRC, it's shipping with 2.0
There are a fair number of packages that seem to have used the internal variable names in the library that break on 2.1 because they're no longer available.
TomK
LinuxCentral's website (http://www.linuxcentral.com) says that 6.1 ships May 3rd - that's today - and the price is ~$35 which is about equal to the SuSE subscription discount price.
guess it's a good thing Red Hat's core distribution is mostly free software w/source.. they were able to fix these problems and recompile everything for glibc2.1 :)
Ah, this is timely.
I have a little script that runs through my RPM database, finds stuff I haven't mucked with myself, and then downloads the appropriate RPMs if the version number is higher.
I did this against RH 6.0 (I have a 5.0->5.2 system) and sure 'nuff, most of the 6.0 stuff is built against glibc2.1
This I construe as a feature, as 2.1 supposedly supports more of the new stuff in the 2.2.x kernels. Better, stronger, faster and all that. But I've been hesitant to rpm -Uvh glibc-2.1.rpm lest it kill my system.
What problems are there installing a 2.1 glibc into an otherwise 2.0 system? What programs are at risk? it is supposed to be backwards-compatible, isn't it?
DG
...gave up after finding that much of the relevant documentation was only in German.
Had a similar problem with SuSE 5.2 - as I remember, the ppp docs were in German only. Been on the shelf ever since - nice packaging though.
Where did you find english translations?
/etc/rc.config file. I
t xt
I was looking for documentation on how to set up
IP Masquerading using the
found it (in german) at:
/usr/doc/packages/firewall/Firewall-Mini-Howto.
Anyway, the real clincher for me is that it's
been almost two weeks with no answer to tech
support emails.
It's drivers :-) Also, I use YaST often to do stuff, but most of the time I still work with the editor and CLI. You can choose to use utility SUSEconfig to error check config files or not. Most my networking is pretty much by hand. You can still do stuff manually with SuSE.
;-)
The documentation is a thing, but YaST is nice for choosing packages, even after you install, so you can put the English in and SUSEconfig sets it up. One of my machines is serving the english docs for the local network through apache, which is no big thing, but it is all set up in SuSE.
Overall, it's a nice workstation distro. Lot's of packages (three disks of binaries), fun stuff, and tools. I still appreciate Red Hat on my alpha, because it's a server and doesn't need too many binaries, just updates.
SuSE tends to go more for stable in the stable/recent ratio, so often they wait till all the most recent stuff has become stable. Also, SuSE has its roots in slackware, so some of those versions may be inherited (not sure).
END DISTRIBUTION CONFLICT NOW!
So I guess that means SuSE doesn't use 2.1 yet.
It's not clear to me the story there. I know that 2.1 isn't on www.gnu.org yet. (Until maybe EGCS becomes GCC 3, and hence GCC can compile the current GLIBC again? :-) So in some sense 2.1 isn't quite "real" yet.
Could someone give me a summary (or pointer thereto) of how 2.0 and 2.1 differ, and why I might really care about one versus the other? Threading? Performance? Bugfixes?
I run SuSE now (older version, but I've got 2.2.6 etc) and my big upgrade question is about the library ...
- Dave
It's too confusing right now. Solaris 2.5
is SunOS 5.what ?
Anyway I find their technical support to be
as lame as RedHat "Sorry. We only give basic installation support".
Excuse me, but setting up a Linux station as
a client to a network printer _is_ basic.
Setting it up as a NIS client is basic too.
If I wanted a standalone computer I could
just run NT 3.51 `C2 certified'!!
6.0 was `2.2 kernel ready'.
Gee. I don't know if I would buy from them,
but definitely not from Migros, if they ever sell it. Migros is a bigger Microsoft cocksucker than PTT, Suckcom and CFF.
2.0.7 is fine for me. I'm using RedHat 5.1 and i don't want to install 6.0 now. I'll wait for 6.1. SuSE is a good distribution but... i love RedHat. RedHat packaged Glibc 2.1.1 glibc-2.1.1xxx but Glibc 2.1.1pre2 was released today. On the other hand, they released KDE 1.1.1pre2 kde1.1.1pre2xxx but 1.1.1pre2 was NEVER released by the KDE team.
I don't know which one of the commercial
distributions is the most ethical.
Which percentage of revenue do the different
companies invest in supporting free software?
RedHat is not for real Linuxers anymore. Now
they got investment from Intel and other Microsoft buddies.
I have gotten both blackdown and the official JDK to work with Red Hat Linux 5.2, and I don't think it should be any different with 6.0. I don't know why it wouldn't work with any distro though. *shrug*
Well, I noticed that announcement a while back that Chumbo.com would open up a Linux store, so I finally checked it out. The great news? SuSe 6.1 lists for about $24 for the official version: 450 page manual, 5 CDs. Can't get a better value than that! The bad news? They have it listed as shipping on (I think) the 19th! Their extremely nice customer support people said they'd look into it, but I still don't know if I feel like waiting that long.
What docs are you looking for? I just switched to SuSE 6.0 a couple months ago and found all the available documentation in English as well as German and other languages.
I just tried to install SuSE 6.0 on my box
here and gave up after finding that much of
the relevant documentation was only in German.
Also, they haven't yet responded to three tech
support emails I sent two weeks ago, and I hate
their monolithic YAST tool. And why did they
have to deviate from the standard way of installing PPP, making it difficult to run diald
AND have manual control of PPP in the same setup?
I gave up in disgust and have ordered RedHat 6.0.
In SuSE's favor I have to say that the ability to
manually load kernel modules in the setup was very
useful, and I found the GUI to be uncommonly well
organized.
'Beta Voodoo III support' ?? Does this mean I can play q3test with a voodoo III? :)
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Your honor is perfectly understandishable.
Looking at their ftp site (ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/SuSE-Linux/), there is an ISO of apparently a 6.0 evaluation. I'm not sure what the evaluation bit means, but maybe they'll replace it with 6.1 soon...
I checked freshmeat.net and couldn't find it...
I check freshmeat.net and couldn't find it...
TedC
No SuSE user has to use YaST, just like 'you don't have to use linuxconf & co. in RedHat.
--
Michael Hasenstein
http://www.csn.tu-chemnitz.de/~mha/
> find it amusing that S.u.S.E. always seems to
> come out with a new version very shortly after
> Red Hat comes out with another version...
> and always with a slightly bigger version
> number...
Maybe this stems from the fact, that SuSE (the dots are gone) was already shipping distributions, when Red Hat didn't even exist? SuSE started business in 1992...
Bye, LenZ
There actually were quite a few changes with the 6.0 release.
Redhat 6.0
glibc 2.1
gnome 1.0
kde 1.1
The unstable 5.9 that your friend was playing around with was actually the 6.0 beta. Which explains the short availability, and the bugginess.
Ive used most every distro out there and SuSE has been my choice ever since Ive installed 6.0 /etc/rc.config or one of the desired scripts under /etc/rc.d, re-run YAST to make the changes take effect and your out of there.
YAST is a pretty tool but you DONT have to stick with it! You CAN play around and modify the conf scripts by hand, YAST just backs up its own version of those scripts but is happy to accept yours as well.
Whats better is you just edit
Now that is EASY face it.
After all SuSE is more of a precision work than RedHat could ever be.
Well but still its choices that makes Linux stronger. This shouldnt flaming around but the kick to keep all the distros improving.
MaymunCuk
-Will work for bandwidth
My understanding was that while the Banshee and V3 (same 2D hardware as Banshee) had more-or-less working Xservers, there was no Glide support for the boards.
Has this changed? Is there (even almost-working) support for V3 in Linux?
ijb is the Internet junkbuster see:
http://www.junkbuster.com/ for more details
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3Dfx card support for GLIDE and other 3D is only available for Voodoo 1, 2, and Rush, however is not available for Banshee, and Voodoo 3 yet.
Those two are only available as X servers and that is it. Be warned.
-Alan
-- Man was created on the seventh day when god was tired. --
I have yet to see a "release" X server that properly supports the ATI Rage Pro LT (the regular Rage Pro isn't a problem). Until then, I'm stuck with good old NT as my only OS on my Dell I7K (I already blew away the boot sector virus known as Windows 98). There's a hacked X available, but it breaks on the current Dell BIOS. Bummer.
Other than that, I used SuSE 6.0 for a while at home, and it's pretty nice. Right now I'm playing with COL 2.2, though.
-- Josh Turiel
"2. Do not eat iPod Shuffle."
At least SUSE didn't move all of the standard GNU include files to "gnu/*" as opposed to the standard / of the /usr/include directory tree, breaking all of my programs when the computer I have access to decided to upgrade to RedHat. What a bonehead thing that was, I spent about 3 days before I thought "Maybe the files really aren't there" and ran a 'find' on them....
This space for rent. Call 1-800-STEAK4U
The *.0 also indicates that this is a relatively unstable release ( mostly due to the new library version + desktop ) , so a lot of stability-conscious users ( such as sys-admins ) will probably stick to 5.2 until 6.1 is out.
-- Donovan
I agree that sticking to curses and staying clear of X is a good idea. ( try using a GUI over a dialup line some time ... )
Meanwhile, Redhat also have linuxconf which does a lot of what YaST does. I can't say I've explored RH's GUI stuff though. What I like about Redhat is that you can just ignore the config tools and everything works nicely.
I find it amusing that S.u.S.E. always seems to come out with a new version very shortly after Red Hat comes out with another version... and always with a slightly bigger version number...
oh well, I can't say anything bad about S.u.S.E. because I still have to use a boot disk of theirs to boot my system anytime something goes wrong. No other distribution seems to have figured out my scsi controller (which seems odd, since they (initio) have had a linux driver (with source) on their web page for this card for a year or more)
Also, their boot disk has also been kind enough to allow me to run the installers of other distros... like slackware and debian, my distros of choice.
so i guess my point is S.u.S.E. seems to have better hardware support than others... maybe if i have a spare puter lying around someday i'll give S.u.S.E. more of a try. (i don't think using their boot disk to boot another distros installer counts as using their distro... =)
The official mirrors (ie ftp.suse.com, etc) have an ISO CD Image. This includes nearly all of the installation on a single disk image. It looks as though the ISO is similar to RedHat's GPL distro.
This probably isn't excatly what you are looking for but it might help. =]
I'm probably going to take some heat for this, but have there been 6 _major_ changes since it's release? The switch from lubc5 -> glibc2 is one, and maybe the kerel jump, but 6? Makes me wonder if Suse and RH aren't just trying to sound more advanced.
Anyway I used Suse once. I couldn't stand YaST.
You have to use it to do pretty much everything and I really don't like the interface. To each his own, I suppose.
Not a flame... but I think SuSE is the best. The following is all IMHO:
I was a RedHat guy, but I just got so fed up. Redhat has gotten way to corporate and they don't seem to care if their software sucks, as long as people use it anyway (sound familiar?). SuSE puts a lot of care into their dist, and they include a lot of extra packages that RedHat never would bother with. The RedHat 5.2 install disk had a bug that would wipe out your entire extended partition!!! Even if you didn't install to that drive! That's crazy, and from what I've seen, SuSE takes more time to do it right and would never let this happen.
...and have you ever tried to actually download anything from RedHat? I find it amazing that noone seems to mind that they have what must be the most unreliable and slow ftp server around. This is AFAICT to get you to pay for a CD. SuSE's sites are fast (though I am losing faith right now... where is 6.1 on their servers???).
SuSE is not perfect of course, no distribution is, but I'd say for people who want an easy to manage system and up-to-date packages pre-tested for your sustem, go SuSE. I first tried it back with 5.x and thought it was the absolute best, except that it wasn't glibc. This shortcoming was corrected in 6.0 and as soon as I had the chance, I SuSE'ed both of my machines and have never been happier.
So you wait a few more weeks or months with the other distributions. So what. Having a stable release with an easy upgrade path is much more important than being first.
If someone does both, kudos to them.
I found bugs in SUSE 6.0 and sent them in and got no help, becuase I was not a registered user, you'd think they would want ot fix there bugs, but no.. so I went to RH5.2 and when I found bugs in there stuff I reported it thru there bugzilla.. they emailed me and helped me.. EVEN THOUGH I AM NOT REGISTERED USER.. I do not care about how anyone bad mouths Redhat, they are doing more for Linux than any other distro. Yes they have there bugs, as do all distros, but so far the still seem to believe in the OPEN SOURCE / "LINUX" way... if debian was easier to install I'd probably go with it over Redhat... SUSE sells demo cds also which is bad (IMHO) they tell companies like Linuxmall and Linuxcentral, what to put on there ftp cdroms, DON'T be fooled by an SUSE 1.89 cdrom.. it is probably only half the files on the ftp site.. I used to use then, and they are just out for money, it seems what have they done for Linux lately?
Only 'flamers' flame!
I'll probably get flamed for this...
well I ask you what distribution has done as much as Redhat has for the Linux communbity other than debian? Certainly not SUSE?
redhat brought us Gnome. They rejected KDE until the QT liscense was acceptable.
what has suse done? brought us a few drivers maybe .. Yast is you like yast (I do but, yast is no reason to buy a distro)
yes there are some plusses in SUSE, but IMHO they are not a GNU/LINUX kind of people... debian, slackware, and Redhat are thou.... TL is more GNU than SUSE....
I tried there SUSE 6.0 from linuxmall.. it only had half of what was in there ftp site, and that was because SUSE TOLD linux mall what to put on the cdrom.. as they told everyone else.. like cheepbytes, and linuxcentral..
sorry but every 4 months each of these companies comes out with a new distro, that upgrades some files, has more packages, and stuff, and fixes old bugs.. that to me is great.. I always have the most up to date software.. if I can afford to spend $30 to $50 dollars on a distro.. that comes to $90 to $150 a year.. thats why I want the cheep cdroms .... I don't have the time to download 1.2 Gigs of files form an ftp site, nor do I want my computer to be connected on line all that time, if I did I'd set up a server, not a workstation..
since SUSE 6.0 ftp cdroms were 'evaluation' and inclomplete, I do not feel that they support the OS community very well.. they have copyrighted Yast, how OS is that? people who could improve / add to Yast are provented... Redhat uses Linux conf which works on almost any distro including SuSE and can be turned off (so can Yast)..
use SUSE if you want.. but I will be using Redhat.. till a better distro comes along... or when debian goes rpm, and has an easier install (LOL)
Only 'flamers' flame!
If you want more stable versions, you'd have to look for update packages or get the entire newer package.
I haven't quite figured out why SuSE does this. When they release the international version, everything is pretty much new and current.
But as soon as they ship the US version, it's all dated. 2.2.5 is shipping w/ 6.1 and we're up to 2.2.7. Granted, 2.2.7 was just release a couple days ago, so maybe that's not the best example, but you get the point.
I don't know why it takes them so long to ship the US version. Maybe it's not completely translated when the international version ships. I guess it would be a good thing to inquire about.
Maybe I'll go do that now.
-Jae
Yeah, but at least their new versions don't require a ton of errata updates.
I find it very convinient (sp) for them to release new versions every 6 months. It's hard to d/l new packages and sources over a 56k modem, and there is a lot of easy w/ just having to update new packages.
Unfortunately for me, it's not quite that easy b/c I have to recompile all programs that use shadow password to make them compatabile w/ the kerberos system that I use (it's university specific) - but it doesn't take me that long to do.
I'd rather deal w/ that then trying to d/l the errata updates.
-Jae
They ship too many new versions!
I stick with the best REDHAT 6.0 Extra
The kernel needs a Gtk/Gnome-based post-install device configuration tools "a la" make xconfig. (Better sig coming soon
I'm about a month into my linux experience and the majority of that time I've spent installing and playing around with all the distributions I can get...cheap. (I was only one version behind ie: rh 5.1, etc)
From my experience SuSe was easier to install than red hat (and red hat isn't even slightly difficult to install). Hell, I thought Slackware was straight forward.
But the one thing I really liked about SuSe was YaST (Yet another Setup Tool) it kicks ass. It's (if someone reading doesn't already know) just a setup thingy that centralizes all the things you (read *I*) took ages to figure out where they were and what they did and how to change them in other distributions. And it's a console app, none of this X-rubbish (not that I don't like X, it's just too slow on my DX33).
Moderaters, moderate away.
--- "If a man speaks in a forest, and no woman hears him, is he still wrong?"
I used to use SuSE regularly and I still use it on a server but I have 6.0 sitting on the hard drive taking up 2.5 gigs and no way of putting it on CD because I can't find how to split it up anywhere. Does anybody know how to do this w/ 6.0? It's really annoying. I've bought two boxed sets from SuSE and I think that is enough for now...
-Aaron
----------------- Who is Jesus?
I'd like to try it, but $50 is too much for a trial. plus noone i know has it. does anyone know if there are things i can download/install without the dough?
I was thinking of how to intentionally fail my drug test... It would make a good memoir story someday.
X3.3.3.1 supports it. I got a bunch of gateways with ATI's of all sorts (RAGE, RAGE II, RAGE IIc, RAGE Pro, RAGE Pro LT) and boy did I have a fun time digging up the right driver.
But they all worked in 16bit, and no larger than 1024x768 (some larger but it wasn't really worth it). I also had to fool X to recognize the chipset as something it knows it supports.
Although that worked, I must warn you that moving windows screwed up the whole fscking screen or just some horizontal lines, or just the border regions of the windows, but once the screen was stationary again, it all worked fine. Also I stopped having that problem after Xfree I did a clean reinstall of X3.3.3.1 instead of substituting XF86_Mach64 in the X3.3.3 distribution.
Don't know about dell's, never tried a machine with a different bios, but I think it could be done. The good thing about linux, is that if it is open source, then it will probably work on more things than you expect. A driver will support all cards with the chipset. In windows, you need a driver for a particular card.
I was thinking of how to intentionally fail my drug test... It would make a good memoir story someday.
I don't get it. I have waited forever for this release. SuSE is by far my favorite distro. Today was to be the big day and yet, I can't find it on their FTP server. I run linux on my Trek2 laptop. None of the newest distro's (except Debian, which I loathe) support the JDK from blackdown. I hope SuSE 6.1 will. Has anyone here gotten the JDK to work on Redhat 6.0 or Caldera 2.2?
Ben
Translation - SuSE's definition of Beta - If you try doing anything with this for an extended period of time, it will dump a huge core somewhere on your drive, have fun.
You'll probably be able to play, but I'm not even sure that Q3Test has VIII support.
-Zen I'm gonna make the _world_ my bitch.
I have been using 6.0 SuSe since it was released. Looking forward to this new version. But just what does Voodoo3 Beta support mean? Is it Derek's 2D only XServer? Or is it actually supporting 3D Accleration? Hmmmm...
...? It's been available in the UK for Order for a week or two... don't forget, all that stuff's gota be tested &c as well. 2.2.5 is still a pretty good kernel, and it's not _that_ hard to update.
(Half the fun, some would say!)
SuSE ships with Gnome 1 and KDE 1.1. Does that mean that its not install them if you want the more stable versions i.e. Gnome 1.1 and KDE 1.1.1?
Patrick
"Captain, I cannot believe my ears!" - Spock