Liberals love to claim to have thought it through, but are entirely surprised when unintended consequences happen, "We never thought of that". The solution is not to ever unwind an unwise policy, it is to tweak it until it looks like the US Tax Code, an unweildly maze of often contradictory codes.
The cry of "we must do it for the children" (environment, economy, poor, minority) is always a good "cause" but as we find out at the end of the book, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
No, my solution is SIMPLE. Let people live without interference and protect LIBERTY at all costs. But then again, you don't want LIBERTY, you want your version of slavery to the state masters, thinking you can control your masters. HA!
People have free choice, do they not. Most people claiming what you are, don't think they have any choice, hate Walmart but still shop there because it is cheap. They complain about Best Buy but refuse to shop local and buy everything from online, and then wonder why there are no local jobs and Circuit City went bust.
Government should not be subsidizing ANY company. ALL taxes should be levied equally and without any favoritism by anyone, (R) or (D).
This is the problem with our current government that if you are big enough, you can lobby for whatever tax breaks you think you deserve. See also UNION exemptions for the new Obama Health Care. Unions who lobbied for it, are now wanting no part of it, I wonder why?
It all sucks, both (D) and (R) are corrupt beyond repair.
We tax EMPLOYERS, who pay the bulk of payroll taxes. I would suggest that any HIDDEN tax is evil. I would love it if instead of hiding payroll taxes, employees would have to write out a check every month and send that off as their "pay roll tax".
The Problem for people like you, is that you want YOUR morals, and not MINE.
And if you realize what I am (Libertarian) you'd realize that I am not amoral, nor immoral, just that I don't think Government should be in the "moral" business at all. Government is there to protect the weak from those that would exploit (true exploitation) them. Not protect people from the consequences of their choices, nor enforce the nanny state that we're currently in.
I would not have bailed a single bank out, nor offered stupid people getting mortgages they couldn't afford a bail out. I don't feel sorry for either both did it to themselves. Yeah, sucks to be them, but why do I, who didn't make stupid choices, have to bail out both sides, the idiots who wanted the loans and the idiots who wrote the loans.
In fact, I'd have bankrupted the whole Default Swap perpetrators who got us into this mess, under FRAUD (real crime) charges. Then locked up the CEOs and Board Members that allowed for it, in full Pound Me in the ASS prison. I would not have given 1/2 billion to Soylient Green to keep them from going bankrupt, because... well... they went bankrupt anyway. Obama Administration perpetrated FRAUD on the tax payers on behalf of a contributor. Chicago Politics... yay .
Class warfare is when Liberals tax the productivity of a nation into oblivion then complain that there are too many poor people who need "help" and thus more government help. Class Warfare is when people willingly take loans on houses they can't afford and it is called "predatory lending" . Class Warfare is when "Big Oil(tm)" gets tax breaks (but still pays taxes) while Soylient Green gets Taxpayer subsidized loans to keep them afloat for six months (they still went bankrupt).
Sorry, but the Left is no better than the Right here. Road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Here's an idea, lets tax EVERYONE, that way, people who complain about taxes will care about spending. People who don't pay taxes don't care about spending other people's money.
Don't forget Lobbyists, Media (Hollywood and Beltway Press), Unions, and Lawyers too.
The problem isn't one side or the other, it is BOTH sides that play against the middle, who just want to work, earn a living, and have people leave them alone.
Simple Solution, though it will get panned here on/.... REMOVE money from Government by limiting what Government can do.
I mean, the latest excuse for Soylient Green Solar Company is that "we needed to give half a billion to the company or else it would have folded" is exactly why Government should NOT be in the business of business. Where are all the lefties decrying the Big Business, Rich getting Richer types on that scandal? Oh, it was "green" energy, not Big Oil (tm) so that makes it okay, right?
At least Big Oil pays taxes, unlike all of Obama's friends like GE (green energy) Don't you all get it? Government is evil by its very nature. It doesn't matter if it is (D) or (R) or whatever. If you excuse the excesses of government because of some limited good it might do (debatable) then you're just evil disguised as a pragmatist.
The difference is that Win 8 won't run on 386 very well (original x86 32 bit). I doubt it will run on 486, Pentium 1, 2 and barely run on 3. Which leaves PIV as the only x86 platform that it might possibly run on, and that platform is older than XP. By the time you get to the end of PIV production, you start getting into Core processors which DO have x64.
My point is to cut out the legacy bloat that is not needed. If they want to support x86 native, they should keep supporting XP, which is the last 32 bit OS Microsoft should have made. I predict that some Smartphones will have more than 4 gig of RAM by the time Win 8 comes out.
You are asking questions knowing it is a "cleverbot" and not thinking it is a real person. Most people talk to strangers on an EMOTIONAL level, which is what the clever bot loves to do. Most/.ers howver, are logic beings, we are emotional only about 5% of the time, and usually about Natalie Portman and Grits (which is why Goatse doesn't "bother us" too much after the first time we see it).
Try having a conversation like a 14 year old girl on chat Roulette. In fact, having seen Omegle, I'm convinced that 1/2 the "people" there are, in fact, clever bots.
Funny, I didn't mention Bush's "vacations" as either pro or con. I just said that I can't count how many Obama's had. I'm not the Bush bot you think I am. I chalk your reply upto the five year old's "but billy did it too" when caught. I'm sorry, but we weren't talking about billy, we're talking about Obama
Talk about being retarded and not serious about discussions.
You forget 9/11 happened 8 months into GWB. That had nothing to do with the resulting recession in your mind?
The wars certainly didn't help either.
Obama has had three full years to deal with the economy, and all he's been able to accomplish is a few "priority" speeches, propped up by a teleprompter, and more vacations than I can count. He's an empty suit.
Bush was stupid, Obama is worse than stupid, he's incompetent.
he reason for this is that if a worker has no money and nothing of value to sell except their own labor, then that worker has 2 choices:
Your assumptions: Unskilled labor, Untrained labor, low value labor, easily replaced labor. And you think these people deserve higher wages just because they live and breath?
So, Obama didn't really "run" anything before trying to "run" a whole country? Not that GWB did very well at what he ran (into the ground) but at least he ran stuff (like a State) before he ran the country. AND GWB didn't have much help in congress especially near the end (when he mailed it in).
My point? It is funny how people give benefit of the doubt to those closer to them than those they oppose. Do you agree that GWB had the same level of problems that BHO has or do you think Obama has it harder?
Look, I'm not a fan of GWB, because he was "socialism lite", a RINO who ran up huge deficits (along with complicit congress) and helped put us in the mess we currently have.
What I don't like is I don't see anyone with a clear cut plan on how to reduce the sludge of government run amok from our economy, and reduce government spending while raising taxes on those that don't pay ANY (40%), reducing welfare (including corporate), closing loopholes and steamlining tax code. Big Oil and Big Pharma make easy targets for the left, but I don't see them attacking Obama's friends at GE for paying NO taxes (unlike Big Oil and Pharma which do).
If you're going to be critical, at least be fair and criticize both sides on the same points. To do otherwise is hypocritical.
Re-read your statement, and realize how incredibly naive your viewpoint is. People are not rational, and long term self interest is often ignored for short term pleasure. Just look at all the crack, meth and dope smoking idiots are out there. Look at all the overweight people at Walmart. Look at all the people who still smoke, people who drink themselves to oblivion and so on. People who took on unbelievable amounts of debts and houses they could not afford.
You cannot expect something that has NEVER happened in the history of the world, everyone being rational and taking long term self interests on all actions. That is why it fails. There is no Utopia.
It was voluntary, not state mandated. Communes and Kibbutz in Israel also function well, and are "communistic". However people are kicked out for not doing what they are able, and everyone is responsible for everyone else. The problem with state mandated communism is that it necessarily is abusive of power, or sufficiently weak that it doesn't work.
Expectations of work, and the condition of expulsion of those that are able, but refuse to work allow for Communes and Kibbutzes to function. A large state cannot function in that manner.
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Liberals love to claim to have thought it through, but are entirely surprised when unintended consequences happen, "We never thought of that". The solution is not to ever unwind an unwise policy, it is to tweak it until it looks like the US Tax Code, an unweildly maze of often contradictory codes.
The cry of "we must do it for the children" (environment, economy, poor, minority) is always a good "cause" but as we find out at the end of the book, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
No, my solution is SIMPLE. Let people live without interference and protect LIBERTY at all costs. But then again, you don't want LIBERTY, you want your version of slavery to the state masters, thinking you can control your masters. HA!
Unions make up 40% of those companies exempted from Obama Care (and rising).
http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/01/unions-make-40-percent-employees-exempted-obamacare
Selective reasoning can easily make it seem one way or another.
So, you agree?
People have free choice, do they not. Most people claiming what you are, don't think they have any choice, hate Walmart but still shop there because it is cheap. They complain about Best Buy but refuse to shop local and buy everything from online, and then wonder why there are no local jobs and Circuit City went bust.
Libertarian Troll to be exact.
Government should not be subsidizing ANY company. ALL taxes should be levied equally and without any favoritism by anyone, (R) or (D).
This is the problem with our current government that if you are big enough, you can lobby for whatever tax breaks you think you deserve. See also UNION exemptions for the new Obama Health Care. Unions who lobbied for it, are now wanting no part of it, I wonder why?
It all sucks, both (D) and (R) are corrupt beyond repair.
We tax EMPLOYERS, who pay the bulk of payroll taxes. I would suggest that any HIDDEN tax is evil. I would love it if instead of hiding payroll taxes, employees would have to write out a check every month and send that off as their "pay roll tax".
Whose Morals?
The Problem for people like you, is that you want YOUR morals, and not MINE.
And if you realize what I am (Libertarian) you'd realize that I am not amoral, nor immoral, just that I don't think Government should be in the "moral" business at all. Government is there to protect the weak from those that would exploit (true exploitation) them. Not protect people from the consequences of their choices, nor enforce the nanny state that we're currently in.
I would not have bailed a single bank out, nor offered stupid people getting mortgages they couldn't afford a bail out. I don't feel sorry for either both did it to themselves. Yeah, sucks to be them, but why do I, who didn't make stupid choices, have to bail out both sides, the idiots who wanted the loans and the idiots who wrote the loans.
In fact, I'd have bankrupted the whole Default Swap perpetrators who got us into this mess, under FRAUD (real crime) charges. Then locked up the CEOs and Board Members that allowed for it, in full Pound Me in the ASS prison. I would not have given 1/2 billion to Soylient Green to keep them from going bankrupt, because ... well ... they went bankrupt anyway. Obama Administration perpetrated FRAUD on the tax payers on behalf of a contributor. Chicago Politics ... yay .
Class warfare is when Liberals tax the productivity of a nation into oblivion then complain that there are too many poor people who need "help" and thus more government help. Class Warfare is when people willingly take loans on houses they can't afford and it is called "predatory lending" . Class Warfare is when "Big Oil(tm)" gets tax breaks (but still pays taxes) while Soylient Green gets Taxpayer subsidized loans to keep them afloat for six months (they still went bankrupt).
Sorry, but the Left is no better than the Right here. Road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Here's an idea, lets tax EVERYONE, that way, people who complain about taxes will care about spending. People who don't pay taxes don't care about spending other people's money.
Don't forget Lobbyists, Media (Hollywood and Beltway Press), Unions, and Lawyers too.
The problem isn't one side or the other, it is BOTH sides that play against the middle, who just want to work, earn a living, and have people leave them alone.
But it isn't "class warfare" because it is Obama sticking it to the rich!
Simple Solution, though it will get panned here on /. ... REMOVE money from Government by limiting what Government can do.
I mean, the latest excuse for Soylient Green Solar Company is that "we needed to give half a billion to the company or else it would have folded" is exactly why Government should NOT be in the business of business. Where are all the lefties decrying the Big Business, Rich getting Richer types on that scandal? Oh, it was "green" energy, not Big Oil (tm) so that makes it okay, right?
At least Big Oil pays taxes, unlike all of Obama's friends like GE (green energy) Don't you all get it? Government is evil by its very nature. It doesn't matter if it is (D) or (R) or whatever. If you excuse the excesses of government because of some limited good it might do (debatable) then you're just evil disguised as a pragmatist.
The difference is that Win 8 won't run on 386 very well (original x86 32 bit). I doubt it will run on 486, Pentium 1, 2 and barely run on 3. Which leaves PIV as the only x86 platform that it might possibly run on, and that platform is older than XP. By the time you get to the end of PIV production, you start getting into Core processors which DO have x64.
My point is to cut out the legacy bloat that is not needed. If they want to support x86 native, they should keep supporting XP, which is the last 32 bit OS Microsoft should have made. I predict that some Smartphones will have more than 4 gig of RAM by the time Win 8 comes out.
REALLY?
When Win 7 should have been x64 only, they tell me Win 8 will be x86 too? Gahhhh, why won't they drop x86 already?
I meant the "good enough" train, not the tablet train.
The Microsoft Tablet computer might work, if they can figure out Xbox games on it.
In fact, if I were MS, that is exactly where I would be headed, using XBOX live as the "subscription" model they've been looking for.
And if you're at MS, and you like this idea, drop me a line ... I have tons more ideas like this.
Most SmartPhone OSes are .."Good Enough" at this point. Microsoft has been riding that train forever.
Yes you can. This is what Microsoft does with its UI studies.
Okay, bad example. (Yes, I'm dreading Win8)
You are asking questions knowing it is a "cleverbot" and not thinking it is a real person. Most people talk to strangers on an EMOTIONAL level, which is what the clever bot loves to do. Most /.ers howver, are logic beings, we are emotional only about 5% of the time, and usually about Natalie Portman and Grits (which is why Goatse doesn't "bother us" too much after the first time we see it).
Try having a conversation like a 14 year old girl on chat Roulette. In fact, having seen Omegle, I'm convinced that 1/2 the "people" there are, in fact, clever bots.
Funny, I didn't mention Bush's "vacations" as either pro or con. I just said that I can't count how many Obama's had. I'm not the Bush bot you think I am. I chalk your reply upto the five year old's "but billy did it too" when caught. I'm sorry, but we weren't talking about billy, we're talking about Obama
Talk about being retarded and not serious about discussions.
Not to mention Burning Man Attendees
You forget 9/11 happened 8 months into GWB. That had nothing to do with the resulting recession in your mind?
The wars certainly didn't help either.
Obama has had three full years to deal with the economy, and all he's been able to accomplish is a few "priority" speeches, propped up by a teleprompter, and more vacations than I can count. He's an empty suit.
Bush was stupid, Obama is worse than stupid, he's incompetent.
Your assumptions: Unskilled labor, Untrained labor, low value labor, easily replaced labor. And you think these people deserve higher wages just because they live and breath?
So, Obama didn't really "run" anything before trying to "run" a whole country? Not that GWB did very well at what he ran (into the ground) but at least he ran stuff (like a State) before he ran the country. AND GWB didn't have much help in congress especially near the end (when he mailed it in).
My point? It is funny how people give benefit of the doubt to those closer to them than those they oppose. Do you agree that GWB had the same level of problems that BHO has or do you think Obama has it harder?
Look, I'm not a fan of GWB, because he was "socialism lite", a RINO who ran up huge deficits (along with complicit congress) and helped put us in the mess we currently have.
What I don't like is I don't see anyone with a clear cut plan on how to reduce the sludge of government run amok from our economy, and reduce government spending while raising taxes on those that don't pay ANY (40%), reducing welfare (including corporate), closing loopholes and steamlining tax code. Big Oil and Big Pharma make easy targets for the left, but I don't see them attacking Obama's friends at GE for paying NO taxes (unlike Big Oil and Pharma which do).
If you're going to be critical, at least be fair and criticize both sides on the same points. To do otherwise is hypocritical.
Yes, very true.
However, I noticed that you didn't mentions that Obama is proving to be quite an ineffective community organizer in chief.
Re-read your statement, and realize how incredibly naive your viewpoint is. People are not rational, and long term self interest is often ignored for short term pleasure. Just look at all the crack, meth and dope smoking idiots are out there. Look at all the overweight people at Walmart. Look at all the people who still smoke, people who drink themselves to oblivion and so on. People who took on unbelievable amounts of debts and houses they could not afford.
You cannot expect something that has NEVER happened in the history of the world, everyone being rational and taking long term self interests on all actions. That is why it fails. There is no Utopia.
It was voluntary, not state mandated. Communes and Kibbutz in Israel also function well, and are "communistic". However people are kicked out for not doing what they are able, and everyone is responsible for everyone else. The problem with state mandated communism is that it necessarily is abusive of power, or sufficiently weak that it doesn't work.
Expectations of work, and the condition of expulsion of those that are able, but refuse to work allow for Communes and Kibbutzes to function. A large state cannot function in that manner.