Yeah, thought about that. But these addresses were on the web in that form already and you have to beleive if google links from one of their pages to these then they'd be crawled anyways.
Wish someone would mode this up, and hope others say thanks as well. These folks put some serious time in, usually unpaid, that made for a useful service then, and some great moments now.
I just wish packages would install in a single directory, with maybe a few very clear exeptions. I'm sick and tired of having to hunt down bits and peices of a packages all over about a thousand different paths.
The LSB just creates more of this hassle, not less./usr/bin is disgusting.
Stick everything in it's own directory instead of litering the world a la c:\windows
and I'd be a much MUCH happier person. As would many others I suspect.
For those of you who havn't been paying attention ATI got caught with their hand in the cookie jar, literally. They blantly attempted to cheat on benchmarks, lowering the quality of quake3 to improve performance in it since quake3 is used as a benchmark by many sites. Rename quake3 to quak3 and you get back the lost image quality and see the real (and slower) framerates.
Added to that HORRENDOUS driver support and driver issues across all their platforms. I don't know what these "ATI open source drivers are soo good" folks are smoking, but the nvidia drivers are CONSISTENTLY more stable (which is what I really care about) and often faster on linux.
I realize some users have weeks to spend futzing with their drivers, bios etc and for them the historical low quality of ATI drivers will not be a problem. But if you expect even a decent set of features to work right out of the box without waiting for six new releases, consider nvidia.
They also have good justification for failing to open source on linux, since they have a common core and have implemented an entire ICD I beleive in their opengl variants. There is a real competitive advantage to doiing things right in that space, and keeping it closed allows them to bring those changes to the linux platform as well.
Not to mention, the hype machine at ATI won't quit, their paper specs always show them BLOWING the socks of nvidia but wheneveranyone gets down to benchmarking things (especially with legit drivers) they never seem to measure up.
That is an eyeopening link, and really dissapointing. The linux community needs to remember stuff like this and not be repeatedly blinded by the hype from bafoons like the postfix author.
Yes, we should definatly punish those who breached their customers trust by witholding, and we should of course punish those who breached their agreement with CERT and the other vendors as well.
In fact, I'm going to live on a desert island right now...
Couldn't agree more, the distros need to stop shipping software with horrendous security records.
wu-ftpd/bind/sendmail literally give me the shudders. There are solid competitors for all of these. Greater or equal features, and designs that are much more secure.
Give me a god damn break. If you had a CLUE about the facts in this case (which include incorrectly addressed email etc) you obviously would not be posting. Why not let the folks whos business this is, CERT, handle the 'punishment', and you go do something useful?
RedHat has CONSISTENTLY done the Right Thing in a number of areas with respect to Linux. Despite a number of chances not to. This endless self-destructive attitude of the linux community, mainly centered with people who have yet to contribute a line of code anywhere I suspect, but who love waving their hand and yelling foul should stop.
Seriously, I'd love to auto-mod down folks who don't contribute jack, but cause endless heartache on endless lists. Recently a flame war errupted when someing claiming to be one of the 10 people in the world who wanted to see the kernel improve came on and said linus should stop maintaining 2.5, despite the fact he'd yet to write a line of code for the kernel.
Taking what trolls like this and the one above seriously undermines things.
The irony is that the linux camp is all for full disclosure, so RH arguably did the RIGHT thing and let us all know of a problem we wouldn't have found out about till later.
My god, the security history of wu is pretty bad. I wish vendors would ship default network services with an eye towards proven servers that were designed with security in mind.
Wu-ftp/BIND/Sendmail does NOT make me confident.
And quit carping on RedHat, probably just an error, and this bug was reported to ALL the vendors some time ago.
Listen, Microsoft went down this package management road and discovered that, hey, it makes more sense to waste a little space duplicating shared libs and simply install programs into their own directories....
This is one of my biggest pet peaves. This LSB File System Standard serves no really useful purposes and causes endless heartache for whoever is interested in simply being able to use their system, and remove stuff with an rm -rf.
Having appache install itself in/usr/local/apache is really nice if you are used to it spreading itself 10 ways to sunday.
Also well suited to browsing with children beleive it or not. When you mistype a URL 600 hard core porn windows don't pop up in you and your childs face.
I think these discussions come up part of the time because people want something new and sexy. In this case OO DB's, which 'XML DB's' are a variant of, may have benefits in specific and limited cases. But I have not been impressed.
Take your classic orders table. Part NO, Custoemr NO, etc. etc. The number of apps with only one parent is tiny, the flexibilty limited, and the whole metadata scanning business awkaward.
For anyone doing and serious larger scale database work some of this stuff is a joke. The idea these vendors have is that we'll be storing XML data in these DB's, ignoring that even for a simple phone directory, the XML data probably takes up a significantly greater amount of space than a simple relational DB would require
And this ignores the significant amount of time and energy invested in toolsets and models for the existing setup. Sure, someone might come out with a chip that runs 2x as fast as an intel at the same price, but unless it is intel compatible how many people would buy it or care?
This guy has OBVIOUSLY not looked at comparision screenshots, which will blow your mind. Quake3 with ATI has enourmously lower quality than it should, they didn't practice 'Good Engineering' or whatever this idiot is blabing about. They cheated and got caught.
That this is modded as 'informative' is rediculous, this guy is barely informed
More information is rarely a bad thing. Those who claim it is are often covering something up...
Food is FORCED to list its indgediants (I know, a SHOCKING violation of the rights slashdoters hold dear). Hope to see BC reverse its decision on this as well.
Why do so many on slashdot want to deny the right of parents to make a choice for THEIR children. Just because you like your kids doing gory MK3 finishing moves doesn't mean every kid should.
Rating make it straightforward for folks to take a look at a game and have an idea of where it falls in the violance catagory.
This is just another comment, and it's not clear that Hemos is really talking with any authority or first hand knowladge. In other words, in 6 months it is VERY VERY possible that sourceforge.net will be using stuff like Oracle etc.
That was my impression, and I'd like to hear WHY Hemos is so sure that will not happen before he goes and updates any articles. All to often folks post comments where they imply they know something with authority, when they really have just as little first hand knowladge as the rest of us who follow the issue closely.
Ah yes... you've got it perfectly. Let's put our head into the sand untill we've spent all $80 billion and THEN look up.
I'd prefer to excersice a few brain cells, and the fact that we have data from billions of bucks ALREADY spent to make a somewhat informed decision rather than taking your idiotic and lemminglinglike approach.
Hopefully you are a kid or don't have access to any money to blow.
This all seems to fall into the Duh! catagory with me, but you'll be suprised to see some idiots still posting crazy stuff like we won't know how good it is till we've payed out everything we can. That's this comment for a laugh.
If you take the time to read stories you'll find a tendency for folks to knock down stuff they don't like. Read the other posts in this discussion, many claiming that the solution is to give NASA more money not less such as:
No one doubts that SOMETHING will come of the ISS, they will spend $100 billion after all. But few doubt that they couldn't have found better ways to spend $100 billion that would have resulted in better and more science, and more "spin-offs" you like.
'Folks' like me understand that we are talking about the ISS here and would appreciate it if you avoided trying to confuse the issue by posting links to stuff the report didn't even cover.
PLEASE PLEASE read the links you have been posting before including them in your messages. They often have no bearing or contradict what you are trying to say.
Please free to post 2 examples that are worth even $1 billion each that are from the ISS (out of a total $100 billion). The fact is, better science can be done for the money.
Slashdot Mirror
Yeah, thought about that. But these addresses were on the web in that form already and you have to beleive if google links from one of their pages to these then they'd be crawled anyways.
Wish someone would mode this up, and hope others say thanks as well. These folks put some serious time in, usually unpaid, that made for a useful service then, and some great moments now.
Hey Folks,
:)
A lot of fun and a great job. Christ it's a laugh to look up first mentions of things.
Why not send a little thanks to google and the folks listed on their page that THEY give thanks to. For the lazy:
comments@google.com
bjones@wmhosting.com
faq-admin@faqs.org
magi@csd.uwo.ca
Doesn't take but a few minutes... So go on and drop them a note. Probably matters more than you think
I just wish packages would install in a single directory, with maybe a few very clear exeptions. I'm sick and tired of having to hunt down bits and peices of a packages all over about a thousand different paths.
/usr/bin is disgusting.
The LSB just creates more of this hassle, not less.
Stick everything in it's own directory instead of litering the world a la c:\windows
and I'd be a much MUCH happier person. As would many others I suspect.
For those of you who havn't been paying attention ATI got caught with their hand in the cookie jar, literally. They blantly attempted to cheat on benchmarks, lowering the quality of quake3 to improve performance in it since quake3 is used as a benchmark by many sites. Rename quake3 to quak3 and you get back the lost image quality and see the real (and slower) framerates.
Added to that HORRENDOUS driver support and driver issues across all their platforms. I don't know what these "ATI open source drivers are soo good" folks are smoking, but the nvidia drivers are CONSISTENTLY more stable (which is what I really care about) and often faster on linux.
I realize some users have weeks to spend futzing with their drivers, bios etc and for them the historical low quality of ATI drivers will not be a problem. But if you expect even a decent set of features to work right out of the box without waiting for six new releases, consider nvidia.
They also have good justification for failing to open source on linux, since they have a common core and have implemented an entire ICD I beleive in their opengl variants. There is a real competitive advantage to doiing things right in that space, and keeping it closed allows them to bring those changes to the linux platform as well.
Not to mention, the hype machine at ATI won't quit, their paper specs always show them BLOWING the socks of nvidia but wheneveranyone gets down to benchmarking things (especially with legit drivers) they never seem to measure up.
They've basically got an auto stabalizer in this scooter, excactly what you'd want in your little personal helicopeter.
I agree, light light light is the way to go.
That is an eyeopening link, and really dissapointing. The linux community needs to remember stuff like this and not be repeatedly blinded by the hype from bafoons like the postfix author.
Hehehe.
Yes, we should definatly punish those who breached their customers trust by witholding, and we should of course punish those who breached their agreement with CERT and the other vendors as well.
In fact, I'm going to live on a desert island right now...
Couldn't agree more, the distros need to stop shipping software with horrendous security records.
wu-ftpd/bind/sendmail literally give me the shudders. There are solid competitors for all of these. Greater or equal features, and designs that are much more secure.
Give me a god damn break. If you had a CLUE about the facts in this case (which include incorrectly addressed email etc) you obviously would not be posting. Why not let the folks whos business this is, CERT, handle the 'punishment', and you go do something useful?
RedHat has CONSISTENTLY done the Right Thing in a number of areas with respect to Linux. Despite a number of chances not to. This endless self-destructive attitude of the linux community, mainly centered with people who have yet to contribute a line of code anywhere I suspect, but who love waving their hand and yelling foul should stop.
Seriously, I'd love to auto-mod down folks who don't contribute jack, but cause endless heartache on endless lists. Recently a flame war errupted when someing claiming to be one of the 10 people in the world who wanted to see the kernel improve came on and said linus should stop maintaining 2.5, despite the fact he'd yet to write a line of code for the kernel.
Taking what trolls like this and the one above seriously undermines things.
The irony is that the linux camp is all for full disclosure, so RH arguably did the RIGHT thing and let us all know of a problem we wouldn't have found out about till later.
My god, the security history of wu is pretty bad. I wish vendors would ship default network services with an eye towards proven servers that were designed with security in mind.
Wu-ftp/BIND/Sendmail does NOT make me confident.
And quit carping on RedHat, probably just an error, and this bug was reported to ALL the vendors some time ago.
Listen, Microsoft went down this package management road and discovered that, hey, it makes more sense to waste a little space duplicating shared libs and simply install programs into their own directories....
/usr/local/apache is really nice if you are used to it spreading itself 10 ways to sunday.
This is one of my biggest pet peaves. This LSB File System Standard serves no really useful purposes and causes endless heartache for whoever is interested in simply being able to use their system, and remove stuff with an rm -rf.
Having appache install itself in
Also well suited to browsing with children beleive it or not. When you mistype a URL 600 hard core porn windows don't pop up in you and your childs face.
Both godaddy and easydns I've heard good things about.
Have used easydns and been pleased with their customer service, can you beleive it? Not that I need it with their nice interface but still.
I think these discussions come up part of the time because people want something new and sexy. In this case OO DB's, which 'XML DB's' are a variant of, may have benefits in specific and limited cases. But I have not been impressed.
Take your classic orders table. Part NO, Custoemr NO, etc. etc. The number of apps with only one parent is tiny, the flexibilty limited, and the whole metadata scanning business awkaward.
For anyone doing and serious larger scale database work some of this stuff is a joke. The idea these vendors have is that we'll be storing XML data in these DB's, ignoring that even for a simple phone directory, the XML data probably takes up a significantly greater amount of space than a simple relational DB would require
And this ignores the significant amount of time and energy invested in toolsets and models for the existing setup. Sure, someone might come out with a chip that runs 2x as fast as an intel at the same price, but unless it is intel compatible how many people would buy it or care?
This guy has OBVIOUSLY not looked at comparision screenshots, which will blow your mind. Quake3 with ATI has enourmously lower quality than it should, they didn't practice 'Good Engineering' or whatever this idiot is blabing about. They cheated and got caught.
That this is modded as 'informative' is rediculous, this guy is barely informed
Couldn't agree more.
More information is rarely a bad thing. Those who claim it is are often covering something up...
Food is FORCED to list its indgediants (I know, a SHOCKING violation of the rights slashdoters hold dear). Hope to see BC reverse its decision on this as well.
Why do so many on slashdot want to deny the right of parents to make a choice for THEIR children. Just because you like your kids doing gory MK3 finishing moves doesn't mean every kid should.
Rating make it straightforward for folks to take a look at a game and have an idea of where it falls in the violance catagory.
In his funny email exchange this guy claims that the violation is the same as if someone took RedHat and repacked it without giving RedHat credit.
He misses the point that that is FINE. In fact, mandrake did that for a while, with a few changes.
The GPL means you can copy, rename etc as long as you contribute the source back, and make sure copyright in the source is accurate.
He needs to get a grip.
DON'T update the article...
This is just another comment, and it's not clear that Hemos is really talking with any authority or first hand knowladge. In other words, in 6 months it is VERY VERY possible that sourceforge.net will be using stuff like Oracle etc.
That was my impression, and I'd like to hear WHY Hemos is so sure that will not happen before he goes and updates any articles. All to often folks post comments where they imply they know something with authority, when they really have just as little first hand knowladge as the rest of us who follow the issue closely.
Ah yes... you've got it perfectly. Let's put our head into the sand untill we've spent all $80 billion and THEN look up.
I'd prefer to excersice a few brain cells, and the fact that we have data from billions of bucks ALREADY spent to make a somewhat informed decision rather than taking your idiotic and lemminglinglike approach.
Hopefully you are a kid or don't have access to any money to blow.
This all seems to fall into the Duh! catagory with me, but you'll be suprised to see some idiots still posting crazy stuff like we won't know how good it is till we've payed out everything we can. That's this comment for a laugh.
If you take the time to read stories you'll find a tendency for folks to knock down stuff they don't like. Read the other posts in this discussion, many claiming that the solution is to give NASA more money not less such as:
#2521653
No one doubts that SOMETHING will come of the ISS, they will spend $100 billion after all. But few doubt that they couldn't have found better ways to spend $100 billion that would have resulted in better and more science, and more "spin-offs" you like.
Good point. They too have trouble in procurment as well, because they too refuse to:
A) Admit mistakes and let projects fail which means they run a risk of wasted money
B) Have a monopoly on their area.
Neither of these things needs to be true of the space program.
'Folks' like me understand that we are talking about the ISS here and would appreciate it if you avoided trying to confuse the issue by posting links to stuff the report didn't even cover.
PLEASE PLEASE read the links you have been posting before including them in your messages. They often have no bearing or contradict what you are trying to say.
Please free to post 2 examples that are worth even $1 billion each that are from the ISS (out of a total $100 billion). The fact is, better science can be done for the money.