Are you kidding? The markup at most vendors is large. Would love to grab VA's stuff, but it's considerably cheaper to build yourself. I mean, these folks want to charg 3-4,000 for 2G of RAM, which would cost me $400 to buy myself.
You could get dual 700's (total of 1.4Ghz) or a single 1.3Ghz Athlon that will be much cheaper and outperform the dual 700's as well. There is an overhead in multi-processor systems, let's say you take at least a 15% loss against a simple linear scale. And CPU is not the entire equation. Loading up on duals you might find that your disk subsystem is the hangup rather than your chips... Not convinced at all that big beefy boxes are the way to go, unless you really know what your doing. Cheap boxes are easy...
Caseoutlet.com had some reasonably priced 2U servers at around $200 I think with a power supply. Havn't heard any first hand accounts, but seemed like a reasonable price for the product. You can pick up nicer ones for $500, but then the cost of the case becomes pretty significant in the system cost.
Excellent. Yes, found the 3Ware's and they look like the right solution. Cost effective, solidly behind linux. They look like *it* from the ATA RAID perspective
Love the fact that the 905C's get their features used in Linux, just what I was interested in hearing. It is curious that even the linux vendors seem to like using the eepro.
zero-copy networking yum, just wish we could wait on these servers till Apache 2 shakes out with PHP support.
Making a decision tonight on 6 servers, and so far, couldn't track down a good linux buying guide. I'd love to hear what the slashdot hoards have to say, and perhaps we can come up with a good system.
For 5 frontend webservers looking at 1Ghz AMD Athlons, 512MB RAM, with an ASUS KT133A motherboard. Looks like the 3COM 905C for a NIC and an IBM Deskstar rounds out that package nicely. $900/each with the 2U case.
The backend database server is tricker. The FastTrak 100 RAID controller, a nice IDE raid solution is not supported under Linux. What are the good (and cheap) alternatives for RAID 1 or 10? Will Dual 1GHz pentiums really beat out a 1.3 GHz athlon? How about a nice NIC that works under Linux? $2000 would be fine...
I suspect I'm not alone in wishing their were some good solid sites that had some recommeneded systems for Linux. As is, I end up wading through a lot of Windows tech sites to find that something is not supported under Linux? The hardware compatability lists don't descriminate between worthwhile products and overpriced junk. And it's be great to know this products works great and these manufactures actively track kernel development etc...
Building up from the most trivial foundations is really neat. I suspect plenty of students in a Calc class would be unable to identify the axioms their work rests on. It's like half our society today, folks use lights but never understand them, it gotten much hard to fiddle around with your car, etc...
Wonderful to see one are where folks are making it possible for those interested to actually trace stuff back to its roots.
but what if a group started developing intrusion tools targeted at CERT alerts. All of a sudden, certs alerts would be like opening the doors to thousands of script kiddies everywhere who would find a whole bunch of easy GUI tools available for their use every time CERT released an alert.
the memorial site for
the revolutionary martyr of china, and now official "Guardian of the Air and Sea". Clearly one goverment knows how to use the net properly.
Looking at their AVES "setup" page, anyone is permited to go and setup dns mapings. How do they authenticate that I own the machine I am mapping? Otherwise I can just map right through the NAT.
NAT devices have the nice side benefit in that it makes hacking them from externel networks tricky. So for the home user behind a high-speed net connection, even if they leave their computer wide open to attack, it may not be trivial to actually attack it.
What happens if someone forges a AVES DNS entry to point to an internel IP, and then uses the AVES protocal hooks on the NAT to actually drive through the NAT and hit that machine?
I don't see this shipping in the default "on" position anytime soon in the future, but a neat way around IP connectivity issues behind a NAT.
Looks like the facts to me. I am assuming you prefer the Microsoft PressPass press releases...
Some folks clearly don't get the power of the GPL. The bigger RedHat get's the better. Anyone deploying real application across a few hundred servers would probably agree. They've lived up to any conceivable obligations to the community, and you are always free to not use their software if you don't want, or take it and "fix" it by installing whatever you think needs to be installed, and then even selling it if you want.
Get a life, get a grip. I'm convinced that the folks siting on the sidelines griping are often the folks who have done jack for linux or open source.
RedHat is free, they release their stuff under the GPL so you can take it and do what you want with it, not to mention they hire programmers, and push linux acceptance everywhere.
Here stupid linux loser who has probably never contributed a line of code meets the power and dream of linux, and is promptly flatened.
Take a look at any place like rackspace.com or dellhost.com, or maxim.net.
Maxim.net charges $250 mbit == 320GB a month or 10GB a day. Let's say we push above 4mbits. At maxim thats gonna cost $1000.
At pair that 1200GB is gonna be much more expensive. Reduce it to 1000GB/month because of the 60GB a month they give you. Then you have an overage of 33GB a day which costs $8250!
For us, this decision is trivial. I'll take that $7,000 a month or $84,000 a year any day.
Now, the hardware they give you doesn't even come close to the hardware dellhost would give you for the same price, and if you ARE lower bandwidth dellhost includes a gig or two free every day as well.
Then ask whether you have full access to your box including easy 24x7 reboot in 5 minutes or less. Dell provides that at a much lower cost.
In fact, I can see almost NO price point and NO usage pattern that makes pair quickserves a good deal. That is suprising for any hosting company, and especially pathetic at pair because we were with them for a long time.
Finally, when you call them up to get some quickservers setup, you'll find that instead of next day provisioning you get at a place like dellhost.com, you'll get a who knows, especially for an order of more than one server (we run 4 duel CPU's and a quad xeon with 2g of ram plus a single PIII for admin.)
I'm suprised they have any business whatsover, but I suspect most of the new.coms never do any business planning in the first place, so don't have a clue what costs should be.
I'll respectifully disagree with your very very cheap description. More like incredible ripoffs to idiots silly enough to fall for it.
Their quickserv pricing is a joke. Their overusage charge runs OVER $8 per GB. That is rediculous frankly, we push a couple thousand GBs a month and would be quickly broke at that rate. A good place should hit $3/gb or $2/gb, they are FOUR TIMES more expensive.
It makes complete sense to release the card. Anyone who is going to be developing games with an eye towards the future would be STUPID not to go get one of these babys. And I mean, REALLY STUPID. $500? Unless you plan on being a developer at the cheapest, rattiest development spot around, $500 should be in your budget.
There is a ton of focus on the fact that the GeForce 3 doesn't blow the socks off of the Geforce 2 in current limited games. I'm assuming the same idiots posting that blather asked, "What's the point of the gutenburg press, it can't reproduce full color paintings very well, and the existing technology does." Both the new idiots and the idiots back then don't get the fact that the new technology makes an array of new things possible. If you are not a developer BE GLAD that they are releasing the card publicaly so anyone who wants to try their hand at it can. It will be better games for you in the long haul.
Wow, the quality of that video is incredible. What a thrill to actually see some stuff happening like the spinup in the thrid clip.
Anyone with pointers to camera system specs/downlink specs? Who made this, why did they add the cameras? What OS was it all running?
In light of the recent reports that the folks on Alpha have spent tons of time trying to get Microsoft Outlook to work right, would be neat to find out what powered something that looked as good as this.
Love to get some recommendations for larger co-lo/dedicated spots, cheap bandwidth is a must.
Have also been following ttp://www.cogentco.com/, seems to cheap to be true... Anyone with experience?
AZ
Call (816) 300-4678 and ask to speak to dedicated support. You'll get a sense of their hold times. Then ask them a few innocent questions about how secure their stuff is, and be reasurred when they answer all is taken care of. Then stop and think, and then laugh like a maniac:)
Remember, whatever they claim about full managed hosting and experts on site, the people you call at 3AM in the morning will only be capable of rebooting your computer, if you are lucky. If not they'll ask you to wait till Monday at 8AM, while your credit card and customer information streams over the net.
Unlimited bandwidth = joke. Call them, tell them you'll be hosting a huge file archive and expect to push 1,000GB a month per server minimum, for that $200 monthly cost. Laugh while they root around and discover the magic document that turns unlimited into super limited and we can cut you off without notice just as you become popular.
Uptime promises = joke, even if they are in writing. Usually they claim it was an outside problem even if THEIR router failed, and the amount you get if they break their SLA is pathetic.
Security is a joke. Our current Top 5 dedicated hosting provider allows easy access to all customer accounts, and I mean easy, no hacking, no passwords, nothing. It's so easy it's not even newsworthy. I like it because I never have to logon, passwords are a pain. And they have yet to patch a security hole either.
Don't sign super long contracts. Rackspace charges an arm and a leg and are doing great. Why? One reason is they go month by month, they've got an incentive to keep you, and I suspect it makes a difference.
Anyone find a really good and cheap dedicated hosting provider? I'd love a place where we could buy our own set of 10 servers, and just pay for the space and the bandwidth, and have it be cheap. With a proper telephone remote-reboot, we could do everything else ourselves, which we already have to do because the emergency support are basically script readers in Kajikastan I think.
Yes, NIST was involved in a new encryption standard, and contrary to what you seem to be implying that was a good thing. Crypto standards sponsored by inteligence agencies seem to have a tendency to turn out to be not as secure as they should have been, strange until you realize that these very same agencies need to break the encryption as part of their job.
Some folks realize that there is a value to using encyption other than to hide ones world domination plots. Thanks to the NIST, we've now got a PATENT FREE, openly developed set of technology, which has been really worked over in the best sense by a lot of smart people.
I'd willing pay the millions to keep some of the science being done patent free, especially science that will become a standard.
The alternative is the verisigns and network solutions of the world. The cost may be harder to pinpoint but it is real. So rock on with at least this bit of "pork barrel" spending.
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Are you kidding? The markup at most vendors is large. Would love to grab VA's stuff, but it's considerably cheaper to build yourself. I mean, these folks want to charg 3-4,000 for 2G of RAM, which would cost me $400 to buy myself.
You could get dual 700's (total of 1.4Ghz) or a single 1.3Ghz Athlon that will be much cheaper and outperform the dual 700's as well. There is an overhead in multi-processor systems, let's say you take at least a 15% loss against a simple linear scale. And CPU is not the entire equation. Loading up on duals you might find that your disk subsystem is the hangup rather than your chips... Not convinced at all that big beefy boxes are the way to go, unless you really know what your doing. Cheap boxes are easy...
Caseoutlet.com had some reasonably priced 2U servers at around $200 I think with a power supply. Havn't heard any first hand accounts, but seemed like a reasonable price for the product. You can pick up nicer ones for $500, but then the cost of the case becomes pretty significant in the system cost.
Love the fact that the 905C's get their features used in Linux, just what I was interested in hearing. It is curious that even the linux vendors seem to like using the eepro.
zero-copy networking yum, just wish we could wait on these servers till Apache 2 shakes out with PHP support.
For 5 frontend webservers looking at 1Ghz AMD Athlons, 512MB RAM, with an ASUS KT133A motherboard. Looks like the 3COM 905C for a NIC and an IBM Deskstar rounds out that package nicely. $900/each with the 2U case.
The backend database server is tricker. The FastTrak 100 RAID controller, a nice IDE raid solution is not supported under Linux. What are the good (and cheap) alternatives for RAID 1 or 10? Will Dual 1GHz pentiums really beat out a 1.3 GHz athlon? How about a nice NIC that works under Linux? $2000 would be fine...
I suspect I'm not alone in wishing their were some good solid sites that had some recommeneded systems for Linux. As is, I end up wading through a lot of Windows tech sites to find that something is not supported under Linux? The hardware compatability lists don't descriminate between worthwhile products and overpriced junk. And it's be great to know this products works great and these manufactures actively track kernel development etc...
Pointer, comments and experiences welcome.
Wonderful to see one are where folks are making it possible for those interested to actually trace stuff back to its roots.
but what if a group started developing intrusion tools targeted at CERT alerts. All of a sudden, certs alerts would be like opening the doors to thousands of script kiddies everywhere who would find a whole bunch of easy GUI tools available for their use every time CERT released an alert.
It'll be interesting to see how this pans out....
I'd love to know how to do this too. My understanding is that the answer to that is no.
the memorial site for the revolutionary martyr of china, and now official "Guardian of the Air and Sea". Clearly one goverment knows how to use the net properly.
It runs on IIS.
Looking at their AVES "setup" page, anyone is permited to go and setup dns mapings. How do they authenticate that I own the machine I am mapping? Otherwise I can just map right through the NAT.
What happens if someone forges a AVES DNS entry to point to an internel IP, and then uses the AVES protocal hooks on the NAT to actually drive through the NAT and hit that machine?
I don't see this shipping in the default "on" position anytime soon in the future, but a neat way around IP connectivity issues behind a NAT.
Some folks clearly don't get the power of the GPL. The bigger RedHat get's the better. Anyone deploying real application across a few hundred servers would probably agree. They've lived up to any conceivable obligations to the community, and you are always free to not use their software if you don't want, or take it and "fix" it by installing whatever you think needs to be installed, and then even selling it if you want.
Get a life, get a grip. I'm convinced that the folks siting on the sidelines griping are often the folks who have done jack for linux or open source.
Here stupid linux loser who has probably never contributed a line of code meets the power and dream of linux, and is promptly flatened.
Take a look at any place like rackspace.com or dellhost.com, or maxim.net.
.coms never do any business planning in the first place, so don't have a clue what costs should be.
Maxim.net charges $250 mbit == 320GB a month or 10GB a day. Let's say we push above 4mbits. At maxim thats gonna cost $1000.
At pair that 1200GB is gonna be much more expensive. Reduce it to 1000GB/month because of the 60GB a month they give you. Then you have an overage of 33GB a day which costs $8250!
For us, this decision is trivial. I'll take that $7,000 a month or $84,000 a year any day.
Now, the hardware they give you doesn't even come close to the hardware dellhost would give you for the same price, and if you ARE lower bandwidth dellhost includes a gig or two free every day as well.
Then ask whether you have full access to your box including easy 24x7 reboot in 5 minutes or less. Dell provides that at a much lower cost.
In fact, I can see almost NO price point and NO usage pattern that makes pair quickserves a good deal. That is suprising for any hosting company, and especially pathetic at pair because we were with them for a long time.
Finally, when you call them up to get some quickservers setup, you'll find that instead of next day provisioning you get at a place like dellhost.com, you'll get a who knows, especially for an order of more than one server (we run 4 duel CPU's and a quad xeon with 2g of ram plus a single PIII for admin.)
I'm suprised they have any business whatsover, but I suspect most of the new
I'll respectifully disagree with your very very cheap description. More like incredible ripoffs to idiots silly enough to fall for it.
Following up on my original post: PHP does work with Apache 2, but you wouldn't want to use it for production. Yuch, a few more months to go.
Found the same thing... Their bandwidth pricing alone is incredible...
Their quickserv pricing is a joke. Their overusage charge runs OVER $8 per GB. That is rediculous frankly, we push a couple thousand GBs a month and would be quickly broke at that rate. A good place should hit $3/gb or $2/gb, they are FOUR TIMES more expensive.
There is a ton of focus on the fact that the GeForce 3 doesn't blow the socks off of the Geforce 2 in current limited games. I'm assuming the same idiots posting that blather asked, "What's the point of the gutenburg press, it can't reproduce full color paintings very well, and the existing technology does." Both the new idiots and the idiots back then don't get the fact that the new technology makes an array of new things possible. If you are not a developer BE GLAD that they are releasing the card publicaly so anyone who wants to try their hand at it can. It will be better games for you in the long haul.
Anyone with pointers to camera system specs/downlink specs? Who made this, why did they add the cameras? What OS was it all running?
In light of the recent reports that the folks on Alpha have spent tons of time trying to get Microsoft Outlook to work right, would be neat to find out what powered something that looked as good as this.
Love to get some recommendations for larger co-lo/dedicated spots, cheap bandwidth is a must. Have also been following ttp://www.cogentco.com/, seems to cheap to be true... Anyone with experience? AZ
Call (816) 300-4678 and ask to speak to dedicated support. You'll get a sense of their hold times. Then ask them a few innocent questions about how secure their stuff is, and be reasurred when they answer all is taken care of. Then stop and think, and then laugh like a maniac :)
They've got some great music on their sales line. Ask a sales rep some hard questions :)
Unlimited bandwidth = joke. Call them, tell them you'll be hosting a huge file archive and expect to push 1,000GB a month per server minimum, for that $200 monthly cost. Laugh while they root around and discover the magic document that turns unlimited into super limited and we can cut you off without notice just as you become popular.
Uptime promises = joke, even if they are in writing. Usually they claim it was an outside problem even if THEIR router failed, and the amount you get if they break their SLA is pathetic.
Security is a joke. Our current Top 5 dedicated hosting provider allows easy access to all customer accounts, and I mean easy, no hacking, no passwords, nothing. It's so easy it's not even newsworthy. I like it because I never have to logon, passwords are a pain. And they have yet to patch a security hole either.
Don't sign super long contracts. Rackspace charges an arm and a leg and are doing great. Why? One reason is they go month by month, they've got an incentive to keep you, and I suspect it makes a difference.
Anyone find a really good and cheap dedicated hosting provider? I'd love a place where we could buy our own set of 10 servers, and just pay for the space and the bandwidth, and have it be cheap. With a proper telephone remote-reboot, we could do everything else ourselves, which we already have to do because the emergency support are basically script readers in Kajikastan I think.
And the status of PHP is? The idea for the XML/XSLT stylesheets are intriquing, but what would the performance impact be?
Some folks realize that there is a value to using encyption other than to hide ones world domination plots. Thanks to the NIST, we've now got a PATENT FREE, openly developed set of technology, which has been really worked over in the best sense by a lot of smart people.
I'd willing pay the millions to keep some of the science being done patent free, especially science that will become a standard.
The alternative is the verisigns and network solutions of the world. The cost may be harder to pinpoint but it is real. So rock on with at least this bit of "pork barrel" spending.