Be great to hear what they said that got Pre-Paid up in arms. Almost did some work with them, and would love to see the inside scoop moded up on slashdot.
Someone spending some time to summerize could make the lawsuit backfire, not only do they go unrevealed, their opinions are spread everywhere...
I have one of those servers too!! I leave it in my closet and don't run anything on it except the kernel. Despite being SWAMPED with connection attempts it doesn't crash. And just like banjo it returns no content:)
AZ
I thought Microsoft had already hailed the ruling as a victory. Here's BillG's quote:
"BILL GATES: Thank you for coming today. We're still reviewing the details of the ruling from the Court of Appeals, but it's clear that it reverses and significantly narrows the District Court's decision. The ruling lifts the cloud of breakup over the company, reverses the tying claim and says clearly that we did not attempt to monopolize the browser market."
The Rambus folks have single handedly run one of the most vile business models around. Regardless of the quality of their product (which thankfully is low) its important to make an active stand against this kind of behavior, because in the end it hurts us all. Imagine if a company like this had got some patents on underlying internet protocals. The internet would cost a ton and barely exist.
Yes, the question of their patent actions will be interesting, I think that has got to be one of THE remaining issues with google. However with folks like DirectHit and Raging Bull going fine, it seems they are going to be reasonable with whatever patents they may have. It'll be interesting to see how this pans out.
Google has really done right by its users and advertisers.
I spent a good bit on an adword compaign that picked theKompany and other KDE keywords following theKompany's claim that such competitive advertising was illegal. Needless to say the KDE camp went all out, hit spamming my ads, I went though around 10,000x the number of impressions/hour I was supposed to. Google staff was prompt, courteous, fixed the problem, tracked the spammers back to germany (?) and refunded my money.
As for credibility, they'd be one company that I'd be willing to give my email address to, knowing that they get it and won't be sending me "Important Updates" every month.
Competition is great, but let's not forget the good that Google has done. We need a well funded company to fight off things like the Altavista patent lawsuits on searching.
I don't understand why some folks are so virrulantly anti-google. The flack they took for putting up the deja archives who totally unreasonable seeing as they had barely got the archives out from under deja.com's decaying body. And their new image search is damn cool.
Beleive it or not, when you buy an Adobe product, you are not actually buying it. Here's the quote
"Please note that references to buying or purchasing mean the buying or purchasing of software licenses. Adobe licenses its software products. It does not sell ownership of these products."
And you thought some rights remained? Nope. Crush these guys.
This guy showed that a bunch of "super secure" products costing $2500-$3000 were basically junk and could be instantly decrypted. This includes a HARDWARE dongle security solution. Mother of god, imagine you are the company that bought 500 of these and payed $3000 per document to encode them, only to find out that someone can open it FASTER than you on a computer WITHOUT the dongle.
Instead of being arrested, he should be given a cut of the money the goverment fines adobe and its security partners for. The REAL criminals in cases like this where the money grubbing BS is exposed are often the companies themselves.
And I can count the number of times the DMCA has been used against real criminals on the palm of my hand. Never.
Luckly, slashdot's got a bunch of folks who actually make tech decisions. Let's try and wipe out these security plugins, and make it crystal clear to Adobe that they should be spending more time improving their products rather than going after the guy who blew the whistle on their BS. Call them today, again in a week, again in a month.
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Give as all a break you idiot.
Unless you have access to the legal agreements and are a judge capable of understanding them (fat chance), your "blatent legal violations" is just more BS.
Before posting you should have to answer a key question from the article. Reading comprehension for the idiots who insist on posting ad naseum, making big fatty claims like "their other arguments are just sorry excuses" when their own posts are sorry excuses for ego building.
The FACTS of this case are not as simple as you like to make out with your smarmy legal citations. And if they are as clearcut as you make them out to be, MySQL will get a quick summery judgment. So please spare us your blather.
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Ahh, the cross license is a nice idea.
I remain convinced there is a lot of bogus and uneeded rhetoric going on here. Look forward to the resolution of the lawsuits, especially the trademark infringment one which will be the most interesting in terms of whether and how badly NuSphere has been violating the MySQL(r) trademark. I notice they even use it in their software products they sell. Illegal indeed, and a registered trademark offers quick protection.
- the software is available without registration, I just tried it.
- There is a trademark issue, but unless everyone on slashdot is a lawyer who has reviewed the agreements signed, why do they have all this "insight" into the situation. Let the courts determine if mysql.org is legal, that's what they are there for.
- Michael Widenius from MySQL AB claims "I want to stress that to date, NuSphere has contributed nothing, no money or source, to the development of the MySQL(tm) server." See the original statement here
- This is a direct contradition to NuSphere's claims of having paid some amount of money to MySQL AB. Hopefully someone somewhere has kept a copy of any checks written and we can figure out just exactly who the basterd liar is here and who is not. For open source, sometimes the truth can be damn elusive. Let's stick to FACTS instead of crazed hype on both sides of the issue. What we do with liar when we find them I leave to the masses:)
- While I'd initially side with the MySQL AB folks, their press release is rediculous, as is their followup. This is not life and death, if they think NuSphere is violating the GPL they should have the FSF sue, or sue themselves and set a good precedent. I hate open source projects that go ape-crap. Please, give us some credit for inteligence. Looks like a lot of hot air to me. Aside from the legit trademark issue where we don't know what agreements were signed, I see a bit of posturing here.
- the software provided is under the GPL, a good thing
- Nusphere doesn't want to sign copyright over to mysql when that would mean mysql could then sell closed source versions for closed source products. That's their right, who cares it's all open sourced.
- So before jumping around like chickens based an another overhyped press release, be it a corporation complaining about theft, or MySQL AB claiming all kinds of pretty serious stuff, let's let it simmer for a few weeks and then get involved.
I'd be very suprised if this was what they hope it is. A couple of things to remember
- This is essentially treasure hunting, the success rate of these things is extremly low.
- The success rate of this group is low, they've already sent out five expeditions with theories of success, to return with nothing.
- The evidence in this case is light. Wonder why you don't see the spots on the picture? They are a pixel or two large. Not to mention, almost the same color as the ocean. See for yourself here, they claim the "anamoly" is the sunken plane.
I suspect this is a case of, we paid the money for this, now lets see if we can find something. If you look hard enough, you can see almost anything anywhere (heck, I finally saw 3D holograms in noise:). That all said, it's exciting to see folks chasing this stuff down, and the adventure getting there is almost as good as actually finding anything.
I wish them luck, but hope no one is holding their breath on this one.
More like massive mismangment for projects with little or no scientific value (read ISS). The number of pretty incredible 500 million doller science projects fundable by the amount it costs to have 3 people fight Microsoft Outlook in orbit is incredible.
If you read what scientists could have done in terms of real science it'd make you cry.
Then NASA claims Tito can't visit because of safety concerns, concerns cause by, guess what, their unwillingness to train him for two days because they deceided at the last minute they needed to be re-imbursed training costs. Did they think he wouldn't pay? A naked ploy to keep him off the station, which not only backfired, but damaged whatever remaining reputation they had for honesty. They should have said, "We are not going to train you so that we can say it's too dangerous for you to go." instead of coming up with reams of BS.
Money that in 5 years NASA has flopped on this issue totally.
With the ISS, what makes it worse is that NASA has been blaming the russians, when the delay allowed them to catch some HUGE problems, including a return to earth problem with the gear they were sending up. Mix in the most attrocious budget forcasting imaginable, stir in a touch of arrogance and redacted astronought logs, and spit out giant boondogles.
Of course, all this will luke puny when compares to the fortunes spent persuing technicially infeasible missle defense systems.
I actually like buying X10 stuff, home automation is fun. What others companies sell this stuff on the web at reasonable prices? I'd love to take my business elsewhere and some recommendations would be great.
It's like writing an mp3 player into the kernel. Sure, you could go the easy way, but it so much more sexy and likely to make it on slashdot as a complicated module.
Wow, the last video has some interesting shots of technicians wiring up the shuttle with a ton of explosives so it can be destroyed in flight, crew and all, should it go badly of course.
Let's just hope they aren't runing windows, or blue screen of death might take on a whole new meaning.
Companies have got to realize patents are not a "right", they are a favor granted by goverments.
Not so they can get rich by extorting others who are actually innovating by pushing a lot of paper.
And rambus pushes a TON of paper. For Q2, Rambus's legal bill was $7.3 million! I leave it to you to imagine the amount of paper that buys.
Rather, patents are a favor granted to benefit we the people with better products at lower rates.
Companies screaming about being robbed and having their "rights" violated (in this case by members of a jury of americans) should remember, those rights are there to serve us, not you.
Legit companies should be getting in to stop patent insanity, lest we (and crazy hippy protestors) throw the baby out with the bathwater.
This ruling does me good. Any way we can contact the judge and send him chocholates?
Listen, I RUN a server farm with Quad Xeons, and I can TELL you that the niave view that performance scales linearly with processors is wrong. Have you EVER tried benchmarking a single processor machine against a quad? Using the stable 2.2 kernel series? Somehow I doubt it. You will quickly find that 4 procs != 4 times web content served.
For frontend throwaway webservers cheap single proc can be great.
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Someone spending some time to summerize could make the lawsuit backfire, not only do they go unrevealed, their opinions are spread everywhere...
I have one of those servers too!! I leave it in my closet and don't run anything on it except the kernel. Despite being SWAMPED with connection attempts it doesn't crash. And just like banjo it returns no content :)
AZ
"BILL GATES: Thank you for coming today. We're still reviewing the details of the ruling from the Court of Appeals, but it's clear that it reverses and significantly narrows the District Court's decision. The ruling lifts the cloud of breakup over the company, reverses the tying claim and says clearly that we did not attempt to monopolize the browser market."
The Rambus folks have single handedly run one of the most vile business models around. Regardless of the quality of their product (which thankfully is low) its important to make an active stand against this kind of behavior, because in the end it hurts us all. Imagine if a company like this had got some patents on underlying internet protocals. The internet would cost a ton and barely exist.
Looking forward to a lighter head.
AZ
I spent a good bit on an adword compaign that picked theKompany and other KDE keywords following theKompany's claim that such competitive advertising was illegal. Needless to say the KDE camp went all out, hit spamming my ads, I went though around 10,000x the number of impressions/hour I was supposed to. Google staff was prompt, courteous, fixed the problem, tracked the spammers back to germany (?) and refunded my money.
As for credibility, they'd be one company that I'd be willing to give my email address to, knowing that they get it and won't be sending me "Important Updates" every month.
Competition is great, but let's not forget the good that Google has done. We need a well funded company to fight off things like the Altavista patent lawsuits on searching.
I don't understand why some folks are so virrulantly anti-google. The flack they took for putting up the deja archives who totally unreasonable seeing as they had barely got the archives out from under deja.com's decaying body. And their new image search is damn cool.
"Please note that references to buying or purchasing mean the buying or purchasing of software licenses. Adobe licenses its software products. It does not sell ownership of these products."
And you thought some rights remained? Nope. Crush these guys.
Instead of being arrested, he should be given a cut of the money the goverment fines adobe and its security partners for. The REAL criminals in cases like this where the money grubbing BS is exposed are often the companies themselves.
And I can count the number of times the DMCA has been used against real criminals on the palm of my hand. Never.
Luckly, slashdot's got a bunch of folks who actually make tech decisions. Let's try and wipe out these security plugins, and make it crystal clear to Adobe that they should be spending more time improving their products rather than going after the guy who blew the whistle on their BS. Call them today, again in a week, again in a month.
Unless you have access to the legal agreements and are a judge capable of understanding them (fat chance), your "blatent legal violations" is just more BS.
Before posting you should have to answer a key question from the article. Reading comprehension for the idiots who insist on posting ad naseum, making big fatty claims like "their other arguments are just sorry excuses" when their own posts are sorry excuses for ego building.
The FACTS of this case are not as simple as you like to make out with your smarmy legal citations. And if they are as clearcut as you make them out to be, MySQL will get a quick summery judgment. So please spare us your blather.
I remain convinced there is a lot of bogus and uneeded rhetoric going on here. Look forward to the resolution of the lawsuits, especially the trademark infringment one which will be the most interesting in terms of whether and how badly NuSphere has been violating the MySQL(r) trademark. I notice they even use it in their software products they sell. Illegal indeed, and a registered trademark offers quick protection.
- the software is available without registration, I just tried it.
- There is a trademark issue, but unless everyone on slashdot is a lawyer who has reviewed the agreements signed, why do they have all this "insight" into the situation. Let the courts determine if mysql.org is legal, that's what they are there for.
- Michael Widenius from MySQL AB claims "I want to stress that to date, NuSphere has contributed nothing, no money or source, to the development of the MySQL(tm) server." See the original statement here
- This is a direct contradition to NuSphere's claims of having paid some amount of money to MySQL AB. Hopefully someone somewhere has kept a copy of any checks written and we can figure out just exactly who the basterd liar is here and who is not. For open source, sometimes the truth can be damn elusive. Let's stick to FACTS instead of crazed hype on both sides of the issue. What we do with liar when we find them I leave to the masses :)
- While I'd initially side with the MySQL AB folks, their press release is rediculous, as is their followup. This is not life and death, if they think NuSphere is violating the GPL they should have the FSF sue, or sue themselves and set a good precedent. I hate open source projects that go ape-crap. Please, give us some credit for inteligence. Looks like a lot of hot air to me. Aside from the legit trademark issue where we don't know what agreements were signed, I see a bit of posturing here.
- the software provided is under the GPL, a good thing
- Nusphere doesn't want to sign copyright over to mysql when that would mean mysql could then sell closed source versions for closed source products. That's their right, who cares it's all open sourced.
- So before jumping around like chickens based an another overhyped press release, be it a corporation complaining about theft, or MySQL AB claiming all kinds of pretty serious stuff, let's let it simmer for a few weeks and then get involved.
- This is essentially treasure hunting, the success rate of these things is extremly low.
- The success rate of this group is low, they've already sent out five expeditions with theories of success, to return with nothing.
- The evidence in this case is light. Wonder why you don't see the spots on the picture? They are a pixel or two large. Not to mention, almost the same color as the ocean. See for yourself here, they claim the "anamoly" is the sunken plane.
I suspect this is a case of, we paid the money for this, now lets see if we can find something. If you look hard enough, you can see almost anything anywhere (heck, I finally saw 3D holograms in noise :). That all said, it's exciting to see folks chasing this stuff down, and the adventure getting there is almost as good as actually finding anything.
I wish them luck, but hope no one is holding their breath on this one.
If you read what scientists could have done in terms of real science it'd make you cry.
Then NASA claims Tito can't visit because of safety concerns, concerns cause by, guess what, their unwillingness to train him for two days because they deceided at the last minute they needed to be re-imbursed training costs. Did they think he wouldn't pay? A naked ploy to keep him off the station, which not only backfired, but damaged whatever remaining reputation they had for honesty. They should have said, "We are not going to train you so that we can say it's too dangerous for you to go." instead of coming up with reams of BS.
Money that in 5 years NASA has flopped on this issue totally.
With the ISS, what makes it worse is that NASA has been blaming the russians, when the delay allowed them to catch some HUGE problems, including a return to earth problem with the gear they were sending up. Mix in the most attrocious budget forcasting imaginable, stir in a touch of arrogance and redacted astronought logs, and spit out giant boondogles.
Of course, all this will luke puny when compares to the fortunes spent persuing technicially infeasible missle defense systems.
I actually like buying X10 stuff, home automation is fun. What others companies sell this stuff on the web at reasonable prices? I'd love to take my business elsewhere and some recommendations would be great.
And I thought announcments were always a bit short on details. This is worse...
Tick "Jamie" in your personal preferences.
It's like writing an mp3 player into the kernel. Sure, you could go the easy way, but it so much more sexy and likely to make it on slashdot as a complicated module.
That is all...
The wonders of pasting a face on a body. Incredible...
Funny funny.... why does this post get lamed?
He's not an IBM employee, they hired a firm, like any other large company, to do a promotional campaign.
That company obviously screwed up, campaign materials called for non-permanent medium, though that would likely have been illegal as well.
IBM did the right thing by helping with the cleanup.
Let's just hope they aren't runing windows, or blue screen of death might take on a whole new meaning.
I got 1.17 billion. Neat. Hopefully they are shelving this stuff on the top floor of their building, so it will eventually crush them into the ground.
Not so they can get rich by extorting others who are actually innovating by pushing a lot of paper.
And rambus pushes a TON of paper. For Q2, Rambus's legal bill was $7.3 million! I leave it to you to imagine the amount of paper that buys.
Rather, patents are a favor granted to benefit we the people with better products at lower rates.
Companies screaming about being robbed and having their "rights" violated (in this case by members of a jury of americans) should remember, those rights are there to serve us, not you.
Legit companies should be getting in to stop patent insanity, lest we (and crazy hippy protestors) throw the baby out with the bathwater.
This ruling does me good. Any way we can contact the judge and send him chocholates?
For frontend throwaway webservers cheap single proc can be great.