I have a right to property. You have a right to property. We both have these rights. But your right can only
impede my right if I owe some special obligation to you because of a prior relationship or agreement (like
contracts or marriage or whatnot). In fact, we don't have a prior relationship, so there is no "harm" done.
Your version of the "harm principle" is quite disturbing, because it allows for no stopping point. Under your
conception, every annoyance is a harm.
Great! I'll be the one parking the unmarked van with the Phasor Pain Field Generator mounted on the fender outside your house tomorrow morning at 3A.M., then walking away. Don't touch--it's my property, and we don't have a contract that says I won't do this. Sounds like a protection scheme, doesn't it?
The "special obligation" is that you live in a society, with other people, not on an island or in a shack in Nowhere, Montana. If this is too much of an infringement on your property rights, there is a place (formerly inhabited, but now devoid of human presence) where you can enjoy those rights to the fullest. Why not go there now?
Guns are inanimate objects. They have not, can not and never will do anything on their own. More Guns
= Less Crime.
Drugs are inanimate objects. They have not, can not and never will do anything on their own. More drugs = Less Crime.
Ficuses are inanimate objects. They have not, can not and never will do anything on their own. More ficuses = Less Crime.
Pipe bombs are inanimate objects. They have not, can not and never will do anything on their own. More pipe bombs = Less Crime.
rootkits are inanimate objects. They have not, can not and never will do anything on their own. More rootkits = Less Crime.
Sorry, but if there's a problem with gun control here, you'll have to find a better rationale. Saying that inanimate objects don't jump up and run around on their own is simply tautological, and addresses nothing substantial. It is logically inconsistent to say:
While I won't argue with the modding down of everything else this guy has posted (after his initial post,) I wonder if this one might've been done a bit too hastily.
Yes, he's wasting your bandwidth. Yes, he's wasting space in/.'s db. Yes, he making this page take longer to load. Yes, he's starting to piss you off (if he hasn't already.)
But he does make a point. And AFAIK, he's not selling anything. Nor is he providing penisbird links.
I'm not sticking up for his method of doing this by any means, but I think the argument could be made that what he's done here is akin to the attempts of AdBusters; using the advertising of an idea to deflate or defeat advertising (of material concerns.)
As I said above, pissing people off isn't the best way to win hearts and minds, but sometimes its the only way to get attention. Cyclists where I live used to get together every Thursday during rush hour and intentionally slow traffic to draw attention to the need for alternative transportation. I got held up because of this, and I was pissed off, but I also understood why they were doing it. They knew they were angering people, but also realized that writing letters to the editor wouldn't do a damn bit of good, even if they were published.
I'm not equating this guy with any civil rights hero; I'd be a bit surprised if he'd had this strategy mapped out from the beginning. I simply find this post interesting from a rhetorical point of view, and wonder if anyone else does.
The reaction here closely resembles that to responses to spam; I can't decide if this means all unsolicited communicatons are bad, or just the commercial ones.
Perhaps your school sucks as much as mine does. Any company can pay $10 to get a complete student
roster, with e-mail address, telephone number, physical address, and demographic info.
If it's a public institution, they may not have a choice. Where I work, the state's open records act mandates release of gov't records as quickly as possible and charges what it'd cost the lowest-paid individual(s) qualified to assemble the info. I think they charge about $90 for the addresses/phone #s/email of students, faculty and staff.
There are a couple of exceptions: educational records (i.e., your report cards/ transcripts) and medical records. I've heard that you can request an exam a few days ahead of time if it's already been written, but that's about as likely as the automatic-four-oh-if-your-roommate-commits-suicide story.
What's interesting is that if you slag your boss in one of our "supervisor reviews" s/he can request it, get it and find out what you said, while if my dog gets the shits one night and I haul her to the vet clinic on campus, that's protected because it's a medical record. It makes me wonder how many of our state legislators could find the Capitol without assistance.
Go find your school president and kick him in the testicle.
Having said this, I second that emotion. I'm also sure ours has just the one, if that.
Sigh. You really think that people born HIV+ are a selection pressure towards HIV immunity?
Not necessarily, but the idea that people must reach a sexually active age before contracting HIV is ridiculous on the face of it. It's doubly odd coming from someone who seems to know so much about it, don't you think?
If you want to talk evolution,
without constant meddling viruses would kill the entire population in less than a century.
Then we'd already be extinct, unless we've been meddling since caveman times. Besides, any virus with a guaranteed 100% mortality rate would soon die out due to lack of hosts.
That's
because HIV hits after reproductive maturity, so there's no way for natural evolution to select against
it.
Tell that to someone born HIV+ and see how far you get.
Last I checked most free web page services required a real name and addy.
*snort*
Of course, if they don't verify, it would be easy to circumvent
While it's not a matter of free web hosting, but rather free access to a website, I offer the following: nytimes.com, to the best of their knowledge, believes me to be a middle-aged woman with a PhD who makes 60-80k/year. I don't think they have any more going in the way of verification than sites giving away webpages.
...The winner of the prestigious "Most Impeachable
President Award"...
Like Nixon wouldn't have hung if the full extent of his depravity had become known? It's no wonder he resigned. He'd likely'd been lynched.
19%. 19% that could have prevented WhiteWater, impeachment trials, shoestringing the military, Vice
President Hillary and her sidekick Al, the power of the "StarFucker" (i.e., Lewinsky), and all of the other
carnival fun-ride events of the Clinton administration.
I read somewhere (feel free to challenge spurious stats) that only 25% of the US elected Reagan. What did we get? 200+ dead Marines in Lebanon, arms sales to Iran (sworn enemy) and Iraq (soon-to-be sworn enemy) drug sales to us (thank you Ollie) and the whole PROMISLAW debacle (which involved stealing software from developers, then attempting to fuck them when they tried to stand up for themselves.) Face it, these "rule of law" GOP'ers wiped their wrinkled, tiger-tattooed asses with the Constitution. You're still hung up about a blowjob?
Anyways news is better unfilterred by some journallist.
I agree. All I want is PR releases and pols' sound bites. Who needs analysis, context, or quotes from other parties with opposing viewpoints? Why would you want some journalist pointing out that today's release/sound bite directly contradicts one the same source made less than a week ago?
Wait, ethics in D.C.??! Bwaahahahahah!! Double Bwaahahahahah!!
Besides, you shouldn't be so hard on the guy. Teaching law is an impressive accomplishment for a man whose own father once referred to him as a "little green monster".
I had a detailed reply ready when Netscape decided to take itself down. I'll spare you the whole thing, but the "civics lesson" stemmed from not noting the "'s" after "Justice". If you want to continue a dialog on the subject, let me know; if not, ignore this. it's too late and I'm too tired to reproduce what I had been working on right now.
Here is a government official, one of the top law enforcement officers in the country,
Uhh...judges aren't law enforcement officers. Nominally at least, law enforcement is tasked to the executive branch (e.g., DOJ, FBI.) Interpretation is the purview of the judicial branch.
Instead they are by and large content to expand the government's ability to invade our privacy and usurp our rights pretty much whenever they are asked to.
We have twelve years of Reagan/Bush to thank for no small part of this, so remember that in November;)
They (supposedly) base their decisions in part on previous applicable rulings. Each ruling that erodes personal liberties in the name of whatever provides an additional foothold for future rulings of the same nature. Think of it as a positive feedback loop: Read up on your Bateson and Wilden's System and structure: essays in communication and exchange if you're doing any headscratching right now. The upshot is, it's a self-perpetuating process which gets progressively worse. The only good news (I think) is that at some point it becomes so bad it can no longer continue (or else it causes permanent damage to the environment in which it functions, so don't hold your breath.)
BTW, I haven't read any of this stuff since the early '90s, so if I'm misrepresenting the stuff I've invoked, anyone please jump in. Also, I'm assuming O'Conner was spayed rather than neutered;)
It's things like this that make me despair of the Republic.
A method for controlling a computer by inputting an analog signal into the computer to control a web browser software application.
Maybe this is so obviously wrong to people who know, but is there any legal definition of "analog audio signal" that excludes the human voice? It's audio (well, it's audible,) it's analog, and _I_ know I can use mine to signal to my dog, cat, GF, etc.
Check out this definition of signal. While sense 3 is the sense used the context of electronics, the patent doesn't have the word electronic anywhere in the post above. Sense 4 mentions TV explicitly, but there's more than one sense given. Senses 1 and 2 are broader, but talking to my computer and having it perform a task as a result would certainly be covered by those. IIWALIWBA, but does it seem to anyone else that anyone who's used voice recognition software to navigate the web could claim prior art if they did so before September 11, 1998 (date of filing?)
The ability to control your blood flow and other various bodily functions
A possible/kill function that would cause the instanteous death of the host
Possible mind control
Electronical tracking and control of the gene pool
Making people think Bob Saget is funny
We're already there:
Your body already does all of this, or should. It can also be done with drugs and/or machines. Or exercise, or crossing your legs and humming. I have to do this last bit because I'm controlling (i.e. increasing) my urine output at the moment via a nonprescription substance known as Beck's.
Any different from a.44? How? Potassium cyanide? Radiation? Stroke? We can all be discreetly zapped from a distance; it's nothing new and hasn't been since the advent of archery (or rock-tossing, if you want to go back that far.)
This has been perfected in the form of TV. 'Nuff said there.
GPS. Timecards. Tollbooth receipts. Credit card bills. Fingerprints. Biometrics in general. As for control of the gene pool, issues 2 and 3 address that if nothing else does.
Without A-C-G-T, Bob Saget is Bob Set. How funny is that?;)
I don't think it's wrong to be a paranoid android, though, but you have to choose your phobias and aversions wisely.
Frankly, I'd rather support a closed source company who plays nicely. Why bend over for a whiny bunch of chumps who can't turn a profit? Just because they use Apache? Get real.
If I register etoys.com, I should be automatically be given, for free, permenently, etoy.com, because this is likely a typo, and the person obviously wanted to go to etoys.com.
No, no, no. I wanted to go to etoy.com, but accidentally typed etoys.com. Because this is the U.S. and no one is responsible for their mistakes, etoys should be given free to etoy. Besides, they (etoy) were there first. See below:
Registrant:etoy (ETOY-DOM) zwinglistr. 31 Zuerich, zuerich 8004 ch Domain Name: ETOY.COM Administrative Contact, Billing Contact: Michel, Zai (ZM93) etoyzai@AGENT-ZAI.DE etoy Schoenbrunnstr. 88 Vienna 1001 1001 AU +41 79 321 59 40 Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Fabio, Gramazio (GF1088) gramazio@ETOY.COM etoy Zwinglistr. 31 Zuerich 8004 CH +41 1 242 40 81 (FAX) +41 1 241 60 52 Record last updated on 11-Feb-2000. Record expires on 14-Oct-2000. Record created on 13-Oct-1995.
Registrant:etoys (ETOYS3-DOM) 3100 Ocean Park Blvd., Suite 300 Santa Monica, CA 90405 US Domain Name: ETOYS.COM Administrative Contact, Billing Contact: Admin, eToys (AE247-ORG) admin@ETOYS.COM eToys, Inc. 3100 Ocean Park Blvd., Suite 300 Santa Monica, CA 90405 US (310) 664-8100 Fax- - (310) 664-8101 Technical Contact, Zone Contact: eToys HostMaster (EH139-ORG) hostmaster@ETOYS.COM eToys Inc. 2850 Ocean Park Blvd., Suite 225 Santa Monica, CA 90405 US +1 310 664 8100Fax- +1 310 664 8101 Fax- - +1 310 664 8101 Record last updated on 08-Apr-2000. Record expires on 04-Nov-2009. Record created on 03-Nov-1997.
Do you have a link for the testicles thing? Never heard of that before...
Don't have a link, but one of Ian Fleming's Bond novels has a character (Tiger Tanaka?) who tells Bond the Samurai used to do that before going into battle. According to this character, they started "training" as boys; by the time you're 14 it's too late to start.
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I have a right to property. You have a right to property. We both have these rights. But your right can only impede my right if I owe some special obligation to you because of a prior relationship or agreement (like contracts or marriage or whatnot). In fact, we don't have a prior relationship, so there is no "harm" done. Your version of the "harm principle" is quite disturbing, because it allows for no stopping point. Under your conception, every annoyance is a harm.
Great! I'll be the one parking the unmarked van with the Phasor Pain Field Generator mounted on the fender outside your house tomorrow morning at 3A.M., then walking away. Don't touch--it's my property, and we don't have a contract that says I won't do this. Sounds like a protection scheme, doesn't it?
The "special obligation" is that you live in a society, with other people, not on an island or in a shack in Nowhere, Montana. If this is too much of an infringement on your property rights, there is a place (formerly inhabited, but now devoid of human presence) where you can enjoy those rights to the fullest. Why not go there now?
what do you suppose he'd ask for in the way of a last meal?
Guns are inanimate objects. They have not, can not and never will do anything on their own. More Guns = Less Crime.
Drugs are inanimate objects. They have not, can not and never will do anything on their own. More drugs = Less Crime.
Ficuses are inanimate objects. They have not, can not and never will do anything on their own. More ficuses = Less Crime.
Pipe bombs are inanimate objects. They have not, can not and never will do anything on their own. More pipe bombs = Less Crime.
rootkits are inanimate objects. They have not, can not and never will do anything on their own. More rootkits = Less Crime.
Sorry, but if there's a problem with gun control here, you'll have to find a better rationale. Saying that inanimate objects don't jump up and run around on their own is simply tautological, and addresses nothing substantial. It is logically inconsistent to say:
A = B
B != C
A != C (this is OK)
but therefore:
More A = less X
just doesn't work.
YOU GOT IT
/.'s db. Yes, he making this page take longer to load. Yes, he's starting to piss you off (if he hasn't already.)
While I won't argue with the modding down of everything else this guy has posted (after his initial post,) I wonder if this one might've been done a bit too hastily.
Yes, he's wasting your bandwidth. Yes, he's wasting space in
But he does make a point. And AFAIK, he's not selling anything. Nor is he providing penisbird links.
I'm not sticking up for his method of doing this by any means, but I think the argument could be made that what he's done here is akin to the attempts of AdBusters; using the advertising of an idea to deflate or defeat advertising (of material concerns.)
As I said above, pissing people off isn't the best way to win hearts and minds, but sometimes its the only way to get attention. Cyclists where I live used to get together every Thursday during rush hour and intentionally slow traffic to draw attention to the need for alternative transportation. I got held up because of this, and I was pissed off, but I also understood why they were doing it. They knew they were angering people, but also realized that writing letters to the editor wouldn't do a damn bit of good, even if they were published.
I'm not equating this guy with any civil rights hero; I'd be a bit surprised if he'd had this strategy mapped out from the beginning. I simply find this post interesting from a rhetorical point of view, and wonder if anyone else does.
The reaction here closely resembles that to responses to spam; I can't decide if this means all unsolicited communicatons are bad, or just the commercial ones.
Perhaps your school sucks as much as mine does. Any company can pay $10 to get a complete student roster, with e-mail address, telephone number, physical address, and demographic info.
e story.
If it's a public institution, they may not have a choice. Where I work, the state's open records act mandates release of gov't records as quickly as possible and charges what it'd cost the lowest-paid individual(s) qualified to assemble the info. I think they charge about $90 for the addresses/phone #s/email of students, faculty and staff.
There are a couple of exceptions: educational records (i.e., your report cards/ transcripts) and medical records. I've heard that you can request an exam a few days ahead of time if it's already been written, but that's about as likely as the automatic-four-oh-if-your-roommate-commits-suicid
What's interesting is that if you slag your boss in one of our "supervisor reviews" s/he can request it, get it and find out what you said, while if my dog gets the shits one night and I haul her to the vet clinic on campus, that's protected because it's a medical record. It makes me wonder how many of our state legislators could find the Capitol without assistance.
Go find your school president and kick him in the testicle.
Having said this, I second that emotion. I'm also sure ours has just the one, if that.
Sigh. You really think that people born HIV+ are a selection pressure towards HIV immunity?
Not necessarily, but the idea that people must reach a sexually active age before contracting HIV is ridiculous on the face of it. It's doubly odd coming from someone who seems to know so much about it, don't you think?
If you want to talk evolution, without constant meddling viruses would kill the entire population in less than a century.
Then we'd already be extinct, unless we've been meddling since caveman times. Besides, any virus with a guaranteed 100% mortality rate would soon die out due to lack of hosts.
That's because HIV hits after reproductive maturity, so there's no way for natural evolution to select against it.
Tell that to someone born HIV+ and see how far you get.
I'd like to address one point in your post:
Last I checked most free web page services required a real name and addy.
*snort*
Of course, if they don't verify, it would be easy to circumvent
While it's not a matter of free web hosting, but rather free access to a website, I offer the following: nytimes.com, to the best of their knowledge, believes me to be a middle-aged woman with a PhD who makes 60-80k/year. I don't think they have any more going in the way of verification than sites giving away webpages.
I think I hit my head on the Eastern Seaboard Fission Authority.
at promoting regularity. OTOH, maybe they'll shit themselves when they get those snappy downloads.
Is this guy for real? Before you think only the paranoid need worry consider the following:
Where else would I put any of the above? The "PC" stands for "personal computer". That's the computer I put my personal stuff on. Jackass.
...The winner of the prestigious "Most Impeachable President Award"...
Like Nixon wouldn't have hung if the full extent of his depravity had become known? It's no wonder he resigned. He'd likely'd been lynched.
19%. 19% that could have prevented WhiteWater, impeachment trials, shoestringing the military, Vice President Hillary and her sidekick Al, the power of the "StarFucker" (i.e., Lewinsky), and all of the other carnival fun-ride events of the Clinton administration.
I read somewhere (feel free to challenge spurious stats) that only 25% of the US elected Reagan. What did we get? 200+ dead Marines in Lebanon, arms sales to Iran (sworn enemy) and Iraq (soon-to-be sworn enemy) drug sales to us (thank you Ollie) and the whole PROMISLAW debacle (which involved stealing software from developers, then attempting to fuck them when they tried to stand up for themselves.) Face it, these "rule of law" GOP'ers wiped their wrinkled, tiger-tattooed asses with the Constitution. You're still hung up about a blowjob?
go team go.
Anyways news is better unfilterred by some journallist.
I agree. All I want is PR releases and pols' sound bites. Who needs analysis, context, or quotes from other parties with opposing viewpoints? Why would you want some journalist pointing out that today's release/sound bite directly contradicts one the same source made less than a week ago?
All that stuff just gets in the way of the news.
Wait, ethics in Los Angeles??! Bwaahahahahah!! ;)
Wait, ethics in D.C.??! Bwaahahahahah!! Double Bwaahahahahah!!
Besides, you shouldn't be so hard on the guy. Teaching law is an impressive accomplishment for a man whose own father once referred to him as a "little green monster".
Secondly Zen is nothing but fucus and peace of mind
...but I thought it had something to do with renouncing "worldly pleasures"?!
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Arrrrrgh.
I had a detailed reply ready when Netscape decided to take itself down. I'll spare you the whole thing, but the "civics lesson" stemmed from not noting the "'s" after "Justice". If you want to continue a dialog on the subject, let me know; if not, ignore this. it's too late and I'm too tired to reproduce what I had been working on right now.
Karl_Hungus
ernie_keebler@hotmail.com
Here is a government official, one of the top law enforcement officers in the country,
;)
;)
Uhh...judges aren't law enforcement officers. Nominally at least, law enforcement is tasked to the executive branch (e.g., DOJ, FBI.) Interpretation is the purview of the judicial branch.
Instead they are by and large content to expand the government's ability to invade our privacy and usurp our rights pretty much whenever they are asked to.
We have twelve years of Reagan/Bush to thank for no small part of this, so remember that in November
They (supposedly) base their decisions in part on previous applicable rulings. Each ruling that erodes personal liberties in the name of whatever provides an additional foothold for future rulings of the same nature. Think of it as a positive feedback loop: Read up on your Bateson and Wilden's System and structure: essays in communication and exchange if you're doing any headscratching right now. The upshot is, it's a self-perpetuating process which gets progressively worse. The only good news (I think) is that at some point it becomes so bad it can no longer continue (or else it causes permanent damage to the environment in which it functions, so don't hold your breath.)
BTW, I haven't read any of this stuff since the early '90s, so if I'm misrepresenting the stuff I've invoked, anyone please jump in. Also, I'm assuming O'Conner was spayed rather than neutered
It's things like this that make me despair of the Republic.
Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate.
A method for controlling a computer by inputting an analog signal into the computer to control a web browser software application.
Maybe this is so obviously wrong to people who know, but is there any legal definition of "analog audio signal" that excludes the human voice? It's audio (well, it's audible,) it's analog, and _I_ know I can use mine to signal to my dog, cat, GF, etc.
Check out this definition of signal. While sense 3 is the sense used the context of electronics, the patent doesn't have the word electronic anywhere in the post above. Sense 4 mentions TV explicitly, but there's more than one sense given. Senses 1 and 2 are broader, but talking to my computer and having it perform a task as a result would certainly be covered by those. IIWALIWBA, but does it seem to anyone else that anyone who's used voice recognition software to navigate the web could claim prior art if they did so before September 11, 1998 (date of filing?)
But then again, why believe in DNA when you can have Jerry Falwell tell you it doesn't exist?
Larry told me he fucked his momma in th' outhouse.
Missile Command? I don't think I'd yield control of our nukes to an old Atari cartridge, but that's just me...
We're already there:
I don't think it's wrong to be a paranoid android, though, but you have to choose your phobias and aversions wisely.
Frankly, I'd rather support a closed source company who plays nicely. Why bend over for a whiny bunch of chumps who can't turn a profit? Just because they use Apache? Get real.
Is their web server built on Apache?
While we're at it, open source is used at both sites.
If I register etoys.com, I should be automatically be given, for free, permenently, etoy.com, because this is likely a typo, and the person obviously wanted to go to etoys.com.
No, no, no. I wanted to go to etoy.com, but accidentally typed etoys.com. Because this is the U.S. and no one is responsible for their mistakes, etoys should be given free to etoy. Besides, they (etoy) were there first. See below:
Registrant:etoy (ETOY-DOM) zwinglistr. 31 Zuerich, zuerich 8004 ch Domain Name: ETOY.COM Administrative Contact, Billing Contact: Michel, Zai (ZM93) etoyzai@AGENT-ZAI.DE etoy Schoenbrunnstr. 88 Vienna 1001 1001 AU +41 79 321 59 40 Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Fabio, Gramazio (GF1088) gramazio@ETOY.COM etoy Zwinglistr. 31 Zuerich 8004 CH +41 1 242 40 81 (FAX) +41 1 241 60 52 Record last updated on 11-Feb-2000. Record expires on 14-Oct-2000. Record created on 13-Oct-1995.
Registrant:etoys (ETOYS3-DOM) 3100 Ocean Park Blvd., Suite 300 Santa Monica, CA 90405 US Domain Name: ETOYS.COM Administrative Contact, Billing Contact: Admin, eToys (AE247-ORG) admin@ETOYS.COM eToys, Inc. 3100 Ocean Park Blvd., Suite 300 Santa Monica, CA 90405 US (310) 664-8100 Fax- - (310) 664-8101 Technical Contact, Zone Contact: eToys HostMaster (EH139-ORG) hostmaster@ETOYS.COM eToys Inc. 2850 Ocean Park Blvd., Suite 225 Santa Monica, CA 90405 US +1 310 664 8100Fax- +1 310 664 8101 Fax- - +1 310 664 8101 Record last updated on 08-Apr-2000. Record expires on 04-Nov-2009. Record created on 03-Nov-1997.
Do you have a link for the testicles thing? Never heard of that before...
Don't have a link, but one of Ian Fleming's Bond novels has a character (Tiger Tanaka?) who tells Bond the Samurai used to do that before going into battle. According to this character, they started "training" as boys; by the time you're 14 it's too late to start.
Of course, this all comes out of a novel, so...