Hmm.. i've auctally found the reverse to be true. My linux desktop is faster then my Windows 95 desktop. Im running a P120 w/ 48mbs of ram.. and I can't have winamp running in windows and expect to get anything else done. Graphics redraws and such are slower and so on. However, I can quite easily compile something and listen to MP3s/whatnot with XMMS under linux.. as well as have xchat/netscape (ok, so I usually just run it on another machine and display it, but still)/gnomeicu/xterms/etc open and I don't notice any slowdown. Oh and incase anyone is going to tell me to upgrade (heh) to Win98.. i've been there and done that, it's even slower. But that's just me.
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IANAL Implementing what css-auth does in another langauge would be great! You have to remember tho, that you wouldn't want to look at the decss/css-auth code.. what you'd need to do is look at the paper that was published, or non-code version and NOT the auctal css-auth/decss program. There's some legal reason for this, like when compaq reverse engineered the IBM bios, and then used a second different team to make their own. If someone is going to write a decss version in another language (or any) DON'T look at the current code, find a paper or find someone to tell you how it works. THIS would be perfectly legal, and the MPAA would have no legal standing.
Hmm, Isn't DeCSS just a win32 binary, with no source? If so, they can go right ahead and attempt to "ban" it because we still have the CSS-auth source, which is the important part, as well as the work that's going into LiVid. Maybe we should let the whole DeCSS thing fall, then get rid of it, and just mirror the css-auth code? Since that's whats going to be used to make a Linux DVD player, right? Thoughts?
Hmm, well, why don't you start using SSL tunnels for connections to the student servers? I'd like to see their router machine try and see what you are sending through an SSL tunnel;) It'd also be wise to use SSL/ssh/etc for connecting to a proxy anywhere off campus/etc.
Of course, I agree with most of this, except: Glofaxmegathorp (for instance) doesn't have the _moral_ right to trample all over our rights like this. Also, in regards to the reverse engineering thing. If things like this continute, then the future will be something like this, with all the consumers going along as sheep, unable to find out how their things work, or even being unable to fix things themselves, we will become dependant on Glofaxmegathorp to do everything for us. The nature of human beings will be crushed, if we are unable to find out how things work under threat of jailtime/etc, what's the point?
Also, it seems that the "good old" days of coding are gone. I can't just sit down and find out how something works and/or hack out some code that does anything without having to check up on patents/trade secrets (licenses/etc)/laws or under threat of being sued/restrained. The sci-fi futurists got it wrong, we won't be controlled by machines, we will be controlled by Glofaxmegathorps and their "rules", thereby crushing any of us out there who try to figure out how their things work, or even try to fix them ourselves. The whole DVD thing is going to very important, if the DVDCCA/MPAA/WTO/etc win, it will become easier and easier for them to crush individual speech and the human spirit.
Well, if this is real, then what it's becoming true. If it isn't, well we need to make sure it doesn't happen anyway. I'd like to know how Jon is posting this if he's had all his machines siezed. It might also help if he were to post a comment or two. Also, is there anyone in.no that can verify this at all?
Hmm, in regards to the last comment, does that mean that beacuse, oh say, homosexual activities are illegal in some of the US states, that I shouldn't do them here in my own country? (Where, it is legal) Just because another state might have laws against something, does that mean you morally shouldn't do it in your state? Or if something like an injunction is issued in the US (ignore state/federal for now) does that mean I have a moral obligation to follow that injunction? Even though it wasn't issued by a judge in MY country?
You do bring up a good point, but where do you draw the line? Because hitler thought jews were inferior/whatever does that mean everyone else should to? Think on it.
IANAL (im also a NZ national/citizen) but isn't this a non-federal case? meaning the judge can't do jack shit about anyone/thing outside CA, let alone America? Im sure not all of those Doe's listed are inside CA, so what about them? They can continue to host the code, because the judge has no say over what they can do, right?
*shrugs* why not? I think google index's/., so all you have to do is search of decss and mirror and you're away. Oh, i'd also like to see how much jurisdiction a US court has here in NZ. In other words.. NONE. The US courts/DVDCCA/MPAA can't do shit to me unless they extradite me (or anyone else, outside of the US) and the NZ courts won't bother with something this silly.. heck, they are meeting to decide weather to send a NZ who was smuggling aliens into the US over, so I doubt they'd bother over something like this. Not too mention in US "unfriendly" nations, where they'd snub their noses. I realise that most of the links are in the US, but there will always be links outside, and it can't be legal for the MPAA to tell ISP's to pull peoples sites, especially if they arn't in the US
"Secure Computing's patented Type Enforcement technology provides network security protection that is unique to the industry. " Hmm.. see the word patent there? Im sure you did. Ok, from what I gathered skimming over that article is that this would be done to the linux kernel? which is GPLed.. What happens if they use patented "stuff"(for lack of a better word right now) in the kernel itself, which is under GPL, meaning they have to make the source avaliable for everyone, who can then change it and so on?
OOopps.. It slipped! Gee mr lawyer people, please dont try and sue me.. IM NOT EVEN IN THE US.. http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/4360/decss.zip
What is up with these corporations, thinking they can use a US court to try and get cease and desist orders placed on _Foriegn Nationals_?? No too mention having them show up in the US in less then 2-3 days time? Ludicrous..
Auctally, it much depends on the ethics of the people who are writing the clone. AOL Didn't like M$ doing what they did. If you had a service/protocol, would you mind if someone wrote a different client for it? Just look at AOL. It also depends on wether or not the stable clone (im thinking gnap so far) will allow other people to leech off you, once they can't tell the difference, does it really matter?
Maybe, but _I_ wouldn't want something like that running MY house, well except maybe the surviving power outages and stuff (Bring the UPS). But i'd rather have something where I could configure my house right down to the colour of the water is when I flush the tiolet. Maybe have a panel with a web page kind of layout where you can setup everything.. or telnet/ssh to it, and edit the settings in/etc yourself:) ie: vi/etc/bathroom/tiolet/watercolour - would be fun *grins*.. Just my view
>It's really frustrating when/. links to stuff that can't be viewed under linux. Is there any easy way to convert a Quicktime movie to something like RealPlayer that we at least kind of sort of support?
Your right, it's also really annoying.. Im not sure if there is a way to convert it unless you pay for Quicktime Pro (which you can't use anyway) So you'd probably have to ask around, it'd be nice if whoever posted this (Hemos in this case.. You should know better damnit!) could point out links to a converted version, or convert it themselves..
Here in New Zealand the telecom here (Monopoly!) is all setup to implement a modem/Internet tax because it claims that Internet users are tying up their lines, and making dangerous congestion, which might not allow 111 (like 911, but with a 1) calls through. These calls should already HAVE the highest priority on their old aging network, but the fact is that because it is a monopoly, it can charge us all 2 cents a minute (after 10 hours, yeah right) for data calls, claiming congestion, so that it doesn't have to bother upgrading it's old falling apart network. BUT WAIT!, there is a way to not pay this charge, by using an ISP that uses it's very own special 0867 number, that it gets from Telecom. Now they say they arn't going to charge for these "numbers" (which probably don't do anything ANYWAY) but there isn't a thing to stop them from doing it a year down the track.
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Hmm.. i've auctally found the reverse to be true.
My linux desktop is faster then my Windows 95 desktop.
Im running a P120 w/ 48mbs of ram.. and I can't have winamp running in windows and expect to get anything else done. Graphics redraws and such are slower and so on.
However, I can quite easily compile something and listen to MP3s/whatnot with XMMS under linux.. as well as have xchat/netscape (ok, so I usually just run it on another machine and display it, but still)/gnomeicu/xterms/etc open and I don't notice any slowdown.
Oh and incase anyone is going to tell me to upgrade (heh) to Win98.. i've been there and done that, it's even slower.
But that's just me.
IANAL
Implementing what css-auth does in another langauge would be great! You have to remember tho, that you wouldn't want to look at the decss/css-auth code.. what you'd need to do is look at the paper that was published, or non-code version and NOT the auctal css-auth/decss program.
There's some legal reason for this, like when compaq reverse engineered the IBM bios, and then used a second different team to make their own.
If someone is going to write a decss version in another language (or any) DON'T look at the current code, find a paper or find someone to tell you how it works. THIS would be perfectly legal, and the MPAA would have no legal standing.
Hmm, Isn't DeCSS just a win32 binary, with no source?
If so, they can go right ahead and attempt to "ban" it because we still have the CSS-auth source, which is the important part, as well as the work that's going into LiVid.
Maybe we should let the whole DeCSS thing fall, then get rid of it, and just mirror the css-auth code? Since that's whats going to be used to make a Linux DVD player, right?
Thoughts?
Hmm, well, why don't you start using SSL tunnels for connections to the student servers? ;)
I'd like to see their router machine try and see what you are sending through an SSL tunnel
It'd also be wise to use SSL/ssh/etc for connecting to a proxy anywhere off campus/etc.
Of course, I agree with most of this, except:
Glofaxmegathorp (for instance) doesn't have the _moral_ right to trample all over our rights like this. Also, in regards to the reverse engineering thing. If things like this continute, then the future will be something like this, with all the consumers going along as sheep, unable to find out how their things work, or even being unable to fix things themselves, we will become dependant on Glofaxmegathorp to do everything for us.
The nature of human beings will be crushed, if we are unable to find out how things work under threat of jailtime/etc, what's the point?
Also, it seems that the "good old" days of coding are gone. I can't just sit down and find out how something works and/or hack out some code that does anything without having to check up on patents/trade secrets (licenses/etc)/laws or under threat of being sued/restrained.
The sci-fi futurists got it wrong, we won't be controlled by machines, we will be controlled by Glofaxmegathorps and their "rules", thereby crushing any of us out there who try to figure out how their things work, or even try to fix them ourselves.
The whole DVD thing is going to very important, if the DVDCCA/MPAA/WTO/etc win, it will become easier and easier for them to crush individual speech and the human spirit.
Well, if this is real, then what it's becoming true. If it isn't, well we need to make sure it doesn't happen anyway. .no that can verify this at all?
I'd like to know how Jon is posting this if he's had all his machines siezed.
It might also help if he were to post a comment or two. Also, is there anyone in
CSS-auth mirror here
CSS-Auth source, enjoy.
Hmm, in regards to the last comment, does that mean that beacuse, oh say, homosexual activities are illegal in some of the US states, that I shouldn't do them here in my own country? (Where, it is legal)
Just because another state might have laws against something, does that mean you morally shouldn't do it in your state?
Or if something like an injunction is issued in the US (ignore state/federal for now) does that mean I have a moral obligation to follow that injunction? Even though it wasn't issued by a judge in MY country?
You do bring up a good point, but where do you draw the line? Because hitler thought jews were inferior/whatever does that mean everyone else should to? Think on it.
IANAL (im also a NZ national/citizen) but isn't this a non-federal case? meaning the judge can't do jack shit about anyone/thing outside CA, let alone America?
Im sure not all of those Doe's listed are inside CA, so what about them? They can continue to host the code, because the judge has no say over what they can do, right?
*shrugs* why not? I think google index's /., so all you have to do is search of decss and mirror and you're away.
Oh, i'd also like to see how much jurisdiction a US court has here in NZ. In other words.. NONE.
The US courts/DVDCCA/MPAA can't do shit to me unless they extradite me (or anyone else, outside of the US) and the NZ courts won't bother with something this silly.. heck, they are meeting to decide weather to send a NZ who was smuggling aliens into the US over, so I doubt they'd bother over something like this. Not too mention in US "unfriendly" nations, where they'd snub their noses.
I realise that most of the links are in the US, but there will always be links outside, and it can't be legal for the MPAA to tell ISP's to pull peoples sites, especially if they arn't in the US
(ohyeah, link Here)
"Secure Computing's patented Type Enforcement technology provides network security protection that is unique to the industry. "
Hmm.. see the word patent there? Im sure you did.
Ok, from what I gathered skimming over that article is that this would be done to the linux kernel? which is GPLed..
What happens if they use patented "stuff"(for lack of a better word right now) in the kernel itself, which is under GPL, meaning they have to make the source avaliable for everyone, who can then change it and so on?
Will this even be an issue?
OOopps.. It slipped!p
Gee mr lawyer people, please dont try and sue me..
IM NOT EVEN IN THE US.. http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/4360/decss.zi
What is up with these corporations, thinking they can use a US court to try and get cease and desist orders placed on _Foriegn Nationals_??
No too mention having them show up in the US in less then 2-3 days time?
Ludicrous..
Auctally, it much depends on the ethics of the people who are writing the clone. AOL Didn't like M$ doing what they did.
If you had a service/protocol, would you mind if someone wrote a different client for it? Just look at AOL.
It also depends on wether or not the stable clone (im thinking gnap so far) will allow other people to leech off you, once they can't tell the difference, does it really matter?
Maybe, but _I_ wouldn't want something like that running MY house, well except maybe the surviving power outages and stuff (Bring the UPS). /etc yourself :) /etc/bathroom/tiolet/watercolour - would be fun *grins*..
But i'd rather have something where I could configure my house right down to the colour of the water is when I flush the tiolet.
Maybe have a panel with a web page kind of layout where you can setup everything.. or telnet/ssh to it, and edit the settings in
ie: vi
Just my view
>It's really frustrating when /. links to stuff that can't be viewed under linux. Is there any easy way to convert a Quicktime movie to something like RealPlayer that we at least kind of sort of support?
Your right, it's also really annoying.. Im not sure if there is a way to convert it unless you pay for Quicktime Pro (which you can't use anyway) So you'd probably have to ask around, it'd be nice if whoever posted this (Hemos in this case.. You should know better damnit!) could point out links to a converted version, or convert it themselves..
Here in New Zealand the telecom here (Monopoly!) is all setup to implement a modem/Internet tax because it claims that Internet users are tying up their lines, and making dangerous congestion, which might not allow 111 (like 911, but with a 1) calls through.
These calls should already HAVE the highest priority on their old aging network, but the fact is that because it is a monopoly, it can charge us all 2 cents a minute (after 10 hours, yeah right) for data calls, claiming congestion, so that it doesn't have to bother upgrading it's old falling apart network.
BUT WAIT!, there is a way to not pay this charge, by using an ISP that uses it's very own special 0867 number, that it gets from Telecom. Now they say they arn't going to charge for these "numbers" (which probably don't do anything ANYWAY) but there isn't a thing to stop them from doing it a year down the track.