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Clemson University Bans Free Long Distance Sites

Jonathan the Nerd writes "An article in Clemson University's student newspaper, The Tiger, says that Dialpad.com and several other free long-distance sites have been blocked by Clemson's Division of Computing and Information Technology (DCIT). Chris Duckenfield, the vice provost for computing and information technology, said that the reason for blocking the sites was to determine the 'impact on our Internet bandwidth,' as well as to protect the finances of Clemson Telecommunications, which provides long-distance service to students. However, he acknowledged that the bandwidth usage would probably be negligible, which is making students wonder if the University is simply trying to maintain a monopoly on long-distance service. "

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  1. My experience at Clemson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    It had been a really hard day by the time I got to my Dad's house. The ride on my motorcycle had been difficult due to extreme winds and some rain. I had just got the bike in order the day before, so when my dad insisted I come up for the weekend I cut a day of classes and made the four hour trek up the mountain to his cabin. Besides stopping to grab some lunch and taking a few piss breaks, I had rode nearly the entire four hours.

    By the time I got my sore ass off the bike, I was really relieved to be there. I never really liked my Dad much. He and I never could seem to really bond, you know? But, he's pretty cool over all, and really good looking, so he's better than some of my friends' dads. They've got those big potbellies and skinny white legs.

    But my Dad is different. And at that moment, I just really wanted to see him. Grabbing my bag in one hand, managed the four or five steps up his porch with a little assistance from my free hand. Gawd, I was sore. I knocked, feeling somewhat foolish. Immediately the door swung open. And there was my Dad. And dude, he as totally fucking naked standing there in the doorway.

    "Whoa, man!" I stammered, looking away with embarrassment. It was my fricking Dad for Christ's sake!

    "Get your ass in here!" he bellowed. Grabbing me by the arm he drug me into the front room of his place.

    "Jesus, Dad, what's up?" I asked, rubbing my arm.

    "What's up?" he asked getting right in my face. "What's up?" he asked again. "This is what's up, asshole." He grabbed a hold of his dick and shook it in my face. Pushing me to my knees, he slapped my face hard with his cock. "Now suck it, boy!" he ordered.

    "Aagghhh. ?" I gurgled as his ten inch pole punched its way down my throat. My eyes watered and my throat tensed as he pushed more and more of his big meat into my mouth.

    "I've been waiting all day for this, kid." Saying that, he threw back his head and groaned loudly, "Aaahhh, yeah, suck that fucking dick, boy." He grabbed a hold of my head with his hands and slowly and methodically fucked my mouth. "Shit, you smell, boy." he said.

    Taking his dripping cock head from my mouth, I told him I had been on my bike all day. He shoved his cock back in saying, "Shut up and keep sucking." He face fucked me for another good ten minutes before he grabbed my pits and pulled me up to face him. His tongue slathered my face. His spit ran into my ears and eyes, and still he kept licking my face. Then roughly he turned me around, grabbed a hold of my belt buckle and undid my pants, tugging them down past my ass. He pushed my head down and pulled my ass into his face.

    "Yeah, look at this dirty ass." he said, stretching my cheeks apart. "Yeah, looking good, kid." He slapped my ass cheek hard, raising a red welt. Putting his tongue against my hole, he sniffed vigorously and groaned appreciatively. "You smell like shit boy. Did you just take a dump?"

    "I stopped along the road a few miles back."

    "Next time you better wipe your ass a little better, boy!" He slapped my ass again before sticking his tongue up my puckering asshole. I writhed in pleasure. It was so fucking good. My dad, dude, sucking out my hole! I gave into the pleasure with total abandon. I moaned, groaned, and ground my ass into his face savoring the moment.

    "Oh you're hot, boy! Daddy's little boy is a slut. Look at you, fucking getting off on me eating your shit-smeared hole." He spit on my boy hole forcing his finger up me. "Yeah, you like that you fucking slut." he said, as I my body shook with spasms of pleasure. "You like that finger going in and out of that tight little boy pussy, don't you?" he said getting to his feet. "Get in the shower and get yourself clean, boy. Now!" he ordered as I stood there looking like a dumb ass, trying to cover my huge hard on. My cock was jumping all over the place, leaking thin streams of pre cum like spider webs. "Fucking MOVE your ass before I KICK it!" he screamed, throwing his arms in the air like a madman. As he came for me I turned and ran my ass into the bathroom, tugging off my shirt and pants as I went.

    I jumped into the shower, wincing as the ice cold water poured down on me. I soaped up quickly, hot with anticipation about what was to come. I couldn't believe my dad was doing this shit. I knew he never got in on well with mom, but still this was kind of weird. Before I knew it I was stroking my cock again feeling it swell in my fist, the blood pounding and throbbing through the engorged veins. Shit it was hot, man. I was so fucking horny for my old man!

    I reached out around the shower curtain with one hand, feeling for a towel as I shut off the water with the other. "Get your pansy ass out here." I heard his say. "You don't need a fucking towel, you pussy. Come on and bring your sorry little sore ass over to daddy." Pulling back my long wet hair from my face, I saw him sitting there on the toilet. And shit, man, he was taking a dump - a big one from the looks of it. Because he as grimacing and grunting. And then he'd smile all goofy-like as he was rewarded with the sound of his gassy fart followed by the slippery sigh of his escaping turd. With a splash, the turds settled deeply into the bowl, scenting the room with the potent smell of fresh shit. "Oh, fuck, yes!" he said as he prepared to drop another log. "Get down here and suck me." He was grabbing the bowl with both hands and pushing hard with all his body, trying to force the giant pile of crap out.

    I came forward to him absolutely turned on. He pushed my down in front of him, and slid his pole into my mouth. Already wet from his own spit, and flavored slightly with piss, it was easy to take it real deep. I sucked like there was no tomorrow, man. My nose was buried in his balls, sucking up the deep aroma of shit. He spread his legs wide so I could see the shit as it slid inch by inch from his ass. All the while, I sucked like a little whore pig.

    Two long, wet farts slowly emerged from his ass. Now the room really stunk. But I was fucking loving it. His rod was reaming my throat real good. His big balls slick with sweat slapped my face repeatedly as he thrust his hips hard, shaking the last tiny turds from his ass lips.

    "Oh you are sweet, sonny-boy. So fucking sweet. I should have fucked your pretty little ass a long fucking time ago. Now turn around and show me that sweet boy-pussy." he said as he deftly swiveled me around so my ass hole was staring him right in the face. Leaning forward on the toilet he licked from the ridge of my ball sac up to the top of my crack.

    "I'm gonna fuck that boy-pussy real good, boy. Just you wait and see. You're gonna be begging for it. Yeah, fucking begging for it." He slapped my ass hard. "You're gonna be asking me to fuck the shit out of your pretty boy ass everyday." His fingers were slipping in and out of my ass hole. Spitting into my crack, he rubbed the spit along the edges of my wincing hole and then plunged one, then two fingers up my tight hole.

    "Aaagghhh. Shit, Dad." I moaned. "Aw, yes. Fucking do me nasty." My ass bounced in the air as I tired to force his fingers deeper into my greedy hole.

    "Yeah boy, I'm gonna fuck you good." Reaching behind him, he passed his hand along his shitty crack, gathering a thick smear. Laughing, he took his shit covered palm and pressed it to my hole, stuffing his stinky crap into me. "This is gonna be the best, baby."

    Slowly he pressed his bloated dick into the opening of my ass hole. "This is IT, yeah. You hear me, boy? This is it!" He pushed harder and the head of his cock popped through the opening, spearing me from head to toe.

    "Jesus!" I screamed. "Aaggghhhhh...Yeah, Daddy, put it in me. Give me that cock!" He thrust into me wildly, the weight of him forcing my head to the floor.

    "Yeah, baby. Take Daddy's cock. You're my fucking shit slave aren't you? Huh?" He asked grabbing my long hair in his hands and pulling my head off the floor.

    "Yeah, man. Fuck me!" I begged. He let go of my head and grabbed onto my hips. The last few thrusts were the hardest, and with a shout he pulled out his shit-covered dick and pulled me around to face him. I cringed at the feel of my hair pulling, but seeing his dick I lost it. It was covered in his shit, engorged to the max. It looked like it was going to shoot an ocean of cum. It was the hottest thing I had ever seen. He was fisting it so fast his hand looked like a blur.

    "Open your mouth, pussy boy." He grunted, still jacking himself furiously. "You're gonna get it now. Just what you've been waiting for."

    I opened my mouth hungrily. The wafting scent of his shit assaulted me first. Then it was the actual taste. He looked down at me, pigging out on his shit-covered cock. My hands played with his balls, squeezing and tugging them.

    "Yes. THAT IS IT, boy!" he yelled. "Here comes Daddy's load. Eat it all. You fucking shit-loving faggot." He arched backward opening his mouth to scream. "Aaagghhhhh!!!!... Oh fuck! Oh yes faggot boy. Eat it. Eat Daddy's cum." He thrust his spouting member deep into my throat. The hot cum, mingled with the shit, stained the back of my throat as I swallowed vigorously to keep up with the seemingly unending torrent of man cum.

    "Every little bit, boy. That's it. Suck out the last bit of Daddy's cum." He said, stretching his long foreskin out, the cum pooling inside.

    "Yeah." I moaned as I licked his dirty cock head clean.

    With a sigh he collapsed across my back. Gently he slipped his hot tongue into my ear. His breathing was ragged and I could feel his heart pounding like a bass drum - a really fast bass drum. "You're Daddy's little shit slave now, aren't you, boy?" He asked biting my earlobe gently. "You're gonna let Daddy fuck you. You're gonna suck him off and eat his shit, huh boy?"

    He was drifting off now. His heart was beating slower and his breathing seemed more normal. He laid his head across my shoulder. "This is it, kid." He murmured before falling asleep.

  2. Re:"Minimal" != "Zero" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    It was fun though. :)

    That it was!

    G'night.

  3. Re:Feasibility of blocking sites? by uid8472 · · Score: 1

    Even better: anyone with ssh access to an outside host can use the built-in secure port forwarding to propogate whatever villainous service they want to the outside world. No incoming connections on any port for the firewall people to block, and the data are encrypted while in transit to prevent administrative spying. A little bit processor-intensive, though.

  4. Re:constittionality. by HerrNewton · · Score: 2

    Yes but if the university receives taxpayer dollars, it is a public institution and, hence, their network belongs to the people.

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  5. Re:Constitutionality? by notbob · · Score: 1

    I go to Miami University in Oxford, OH
    The university is in the same area code (513) as Cincinnati, OH which is 20 - 30 minutes from here, but they use a different telephone company (GTE), and part of the town of oxford uses that same company, now I can frankly take a piss as far as it's long distance from here. Last month they made another 30 extensions become long distance.
    I'm fairly sure Miami is making a nice cut on that forced long distance they got.

    I use my cell phone with "free" long distance, which is registered back in cincinnati of course so I can actually make calls at a decent phone rate.
    I'm surprised the university doesn't charge to call 1-800 numbers. Food service is just as proprietary. Internet access, if you want it live in a dorm, if you want adsl run a line from cincinnati cause your not getting it here at school nor are you getting cable.

    The university makes sure that everyone except for the big frats pretty much gets stuck living in the dorm due to the costs of cable tv + internet access which is a crappy 56k modem. So instead we live in concrete boxes with desks that force us to hurt our eyes by sitting 3 inches from our monitors.

    Universities are out for profit, nothing more. They don't give a damn about student rights or student housing conditions.

    The last dorm they built here I think was 1969 or early 70s, they're doing a big remodelling job which involves the grand scheme of lets give them mobile furniture to simulate more space. I dunno bout you but I hate my roommate already and I really don't want a bunk bed so I can sleep underneath the *ucker.

    Clemson is doing just what every university is doing, protecting their interests with Microsoft Style tactics, if we can't do it constitutionally well then we'll ignore their constitutional rights and do it anyways.

    Notbob,
    Ranting and raving all over slashdot again, there goes my karma :(

  6. Clemson is a state college. by Venomous+Louse · · Score: 3


    Clemson's "customers" are better known as "taxpayers". If they kids aren't paying taxes, then they're not working and their parents are paying their tuition -- and the parents are working, I'll bet. And taxes pay for a big, big chunk of what happens at a state school.

    Very different rules apply to a public institution and a private business. A state college is a public trust, paid for by the public and managed for them by the state. A business is owned by and responsible to its shareholders alone, or to an even smaller group if it's privately held. Clemson is the government, and it has no damned business protecting its interests at the expense of the taxpayers' interests, because its only legitimate role is to act in the taxpayers' interests.

    But I suspect that you merely guessed wrong about the ownership of Clemson, and the above is pretty much what you'd be saying if you knew it was a state school. Of course, you might also suggest that the state has no business running colleges, and as a matter of fact I might well agree. But that's another discussion entirely.


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    1. Re:Clemson is a state college. by cfreeze · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure you really understand Clemson. Clemson by definition of it's founding is a "land grant" University. Which may or may not follow some of what you have said.

    2. Re:Clemson is a state college. by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

      A state college is a public trust, paid for by the public and managed for them by the state.

      Sure, and if I were a taxpayer supporting Clemson I would be very annoyed to find that my money was going to support internet use for non-academic purposes such as making free long-distance phone calls.

  7. collect? by / · · Score: 2

    Your parents should probably look into getting a personal toll-free number like the ones the folks over at sprint will sell you. It ends up being much cheaper than collect calls, and it's even less susceptable to filtering on the college's end.

    I actually don't recommend sprint in particular, and in fact, my stock portfolio would probably prefer it if you went with AT&T, so run along and do that instead. :)

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  8. Very confusing. Is it Java, or not? by Sloppy · · Score: 1

    I looked at their web site. It said that it's a Java program and you don't need to download or install anything else. From that description, one would ass/u/me that it's platform neutral. But then the system requirements say Windoze and also mention a couple of specific web browsers.

    Bah. Sick Sun's legal department on 'em for abusing the Java trademark. ;-) Seriously, there's no denying that their mention of Java is deliberate attempt to mislead people.


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  9. Doing the right thing. by NightmareDNS · · Score: 1

    I personally don't think that Clemson is doing the right thing in blocking toll free calling sites. On the other hand, it is perfectly legal for them to do so. As the student said, they don't allow mp3's on the network either. Can you blame them? By blocking this one file format, they have eliminated a world of lawsuits and court dates. It might look bad now, but in the long run it is a wise decision for the Administration to make. If Winthrop decided to block Slashdot from it's services, there would be a lot of pissed off compsci's running around here, but at the same time the University would be within it's legal limits. Really it all comes down to aesthetics. Whatever makes the school look good counts best. Student opinions don't usually have that much weight when it comes to Admin decisions, and I don't expect that to change anytime soon. And right now Clemson thinks that free calling sites are hampering it's income, and that lowers numbers for the year. As long as those numbers aren't up to par, you can rest assured they will do whatever is in their power to change that. I think I'm done ranting now, but I think Admin should start doing something more productive than covering their own asses.

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  10. Thanks For The Example, Clemson University! by Effugas · · Score: 5

    Mr. Duckenfield:

    I wish to express my extreme gratitude for your efforts in proving why there needs to be an enforced separation between the lines that deliver internet service to the home and the actual service that is delivered over those lines.

    As we watch the market for Internet access dwindle down to only a handful of viable ISPs, your intrusive behavior into the internet usage of your captive audience of students will be a model studied for years to come. Your excuses, your justifications, and your rationalizations for interfering with the free flow of information to those whose pipes you have the technological ability to control will reverberate loudly as large scale ISPs seek to find just how many of their competitor's web sites they can "devaluate" by banning them, slowing them, or just plain redirected them elsewhere...and the fact that you're suppressing a problem that has not occurred yet will be brought up many a time by those who *will* eventually bring the pain of regulation upon you.

    As large ISPs make faustian pacts to achieve affordable access to DSL and Cable systems in the face of the end of AOL's Freed Access crusade(they'd rather merge than give tiny ISPs the chance to serve customers that are "rightfully theirs"), the small ISPs who lack conflicts of interest and seek more to provide internet access than restrict, track, and "captively synergize" it will be shaken out. And in their dying breaths, Mr. Duckenfield, your name will come up.

    Rather than providing better service, with a flip of a firewall rule, you provided the only serice. Rather than meeting the needs of the students, you made the students meet the needs of you. Rather than trust your product, you chose to trust your monopoly powers.

    You won't be alone. There will be scandals upon scandals--maybe AT&T will be found looking at the logs for *@Home to determine what online services MCI and Sprint customers use most. Perhaps we'll start to see exclusivity agreements, where companies will pay to have exclusive access to any customer's high speed networking line--wanted to go to Yahoo? Sorry, we don't serve that, but Lycos is just as good!

    After all, when you don't need to worry about your customers having anywhere else to go, you can do whatever the hell you like. That's what you're doing with your students, and that's what more than a few big business, check your ethics at the door types are planning.

    What saddens me, Mr. Duckenfield, is that there was supposed to be a higher standard that educational institutions were held to. Perhaps we should fear the next generation of business school students out of Clemson. A school that's working towards The Depublished Internet Regime(where content deemed dangerously competitive is instantly depublished without any feasable alternative access) is not a school whose graduates I suppose I can trust.

    So! Have you started blocking 1-800-Collect yet? Oh wait, I suppose that might actually be illegal...

    Yours Truly,

    Dan Kaminsky
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    1. Re:Thanks For The Example, Clemson University! by pnevares · · Score: 1

      Wow, this post scared the fsck out of me. Think about it some more, and I realize that this will probably happen someday. *shudder*


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    2. Re:Thanks For The Example, Clemson University! by cburley · · Score: 2
      So! Have you started blocking 1-800-Collect yet? Oh wait, I suppose that might actually be illegal...

      My wife and I stayed in a hotel some 10+ years ago in downtown Dallas (well, in Reunion Plaza anyway).

      It's phone-usage card said that 1-800 calls were free, except those to long-distance services.

      It was obvious to me then what a ludicruous scam this was, so I called the front desk, asked to speak to management, and explained in no uncertain terms that we were not to be charged for any 1-800 calls -- no singling out, e.g. of numbers that happen to "compete" with their services -- unless they would accept that we'd leave the hotel immediately and never do business with that chain again.

      Though they agreed to this after some discussion, the charges (to our Sprint number, I believe) showed up on the bill anyway.

      Another phone call or two was all it took to have those charges removed, but I doubt we'll ever stay in that hotel again. (Since I was born in Dallas, and have relatives and family friends there, that represents a non-zero loss of revenue for that hotel.)

      Somewhere there are schools of business management that are teaching this kind of garbage, and they must be stopped.

      IMO the most effective way to stop them is to expose the people who perpetrate this nonsense, and use your power to make it difficult for them to exercise their power ever again.

      E.g. make an example out of people like this Mr. Duckenfield character. Refuse to hire them if you're in upper management of any firm doing IT-related business. Refuse to work for any firm that employs him in any role with similar powers. For the time being, make it clear to Clemson that if he's employed there beyond, say, the end of next week, you won't attend that school or work for it ever again.

      Nothing personal, of course -- all you're doing here is exercising your rights to block access by Mr. Duckenfield to the communications facilities you use to reach your fellow students, employees, customers, friends, and family.

      Maybe if this happened, and became more effective, throughout the industry, the message would go out among all those MBAs (and, yes, my wife's a Stanford MBA, but, no, this kind of lunacy would never occur to her) that to even contemplate such insidious micromanaging of peoples' lives for reasons such as increasing profits had better offer huge payoffs, because it risks one's entire career in IT and related management fields.

      If you don't fight it now, it'll only get far worse, more difficult to detect, and harder to fight as more and more of the populace is convinced its "normal". (As many others have already pointed out in their own words.)

      Speaking from a legal perspective, though, it seems to me this should be actionable as fraud or breach of contract, on the basis that the implication of a phrase such as "Internet access" or "Web access" includes no such micromanagement, except in cases required by law (e.g. restricting access to pr0n, sites violating the law, etc.).

      But, of course, the USA gave up the notion of holding lawyers and police to such a modest standard long ago, culminating in the "not guilty" finding against Clinton by the Senate, so there's little likelihood of making inroads using this argument.

      So, for now, rather than making the rational case that this sort of behavior might constitute actionable fraud, one must consider resorting to simpler and more direct remedies: "you promise me access to the Internet, then block me from calling my grandma using its facilities so you can earn more $$, fine, I'll make sure you pay for that for years to come".

      Sad that the situation seems to require such behavior, but that's the inevitable result of systematically dispensing with the rule of law to obtain short-term conveniences: revenge becomes more prominent as an enforcer of the peoples' morality.

      (Not that I'm advocating revenge per se, just a very mild form of it, just as if a particular brand of router often gave you trouble and the manufacturer laughed in your face when you complained, you'd avoid that brand for years to come, even if the manufacturer had promised it was fixed after realizing it needed your business afte r all.)

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    3. Re:Thanks For The Example, Clemson University! by Trygve · · Score: 1
      "So! Have you started blocking 1-800-Collect yet? Oh wait, I suppose that might actually be illegal..."

      A friend of mine stayed at Xavier University in Cincinnati, Ohio, while doing an internship this past summer, and discovered that they have monopolized long distance on their campus, too. I don't know if they were blocking any selected web sites, but they were blocking usage of calling cards and any other external long distance (1-800-call ATT, 1800 Collect, 10-10-***, etc). She thought there must have been some special dialing instructions from the campus phones, but when she asked the campus operators they were apparently rather curt in explaining that she's not allowed to use any of those services from campus!

      Does anybody know if there have been any law precedents relating to anything like this, on or offline?

  11. a sure success by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the above was a sure success.

    notes:
    * the goal was not to achieve a large download like usual. maybe next time. the "QQQ" spammings, however, had three goals: large filesize, discussion disruption and, for those in nested mode, page displacement.

    * the goal here was to have morons waste 28 moderation points. this will be successful in time. if not, then it will be in the next article when i do it earlier on.

    keep in mind that next time i do this, i plan to hit for 49-100. i just did it for about two minutes this time.

    have fun with your fresh, new, 0 moderation points.

  12. Re:Constitutionality? by notbob · · Score: 2

    We can get both, but then again our machines are always broken, and over priced.

    The softdrinks here are extremely watered down, when I buy a coke I expect it to be to coca cola's specifications on the percentage of water, carbonation, etc... not 99.98% water and .01% coke and .01% crap that was gummed up in the machine.

    It would be nice if softdrink fountains were regulated to ensure we get what we pay for.
    I have to opt for the $1 a piece 20oz bottles just so I can get something that tastes right.

  13. pointless by browser_war_pow · · Score: 1

    Stuff like this is going to make students eventually start looking to other companies like earthlink and at&t worldnet to provide internet access. What is the school gonna do then? Say you have to use our network waaaaa waaaaa no fair!

    1. Re:pointless by Wire+Head · · Score: 1

      Stuff like this is going to make students eventually start looking to other companies like earthlink and at&t worldnet to provide internet access. What is the school gonna do then? Say you have to use our network waaaaa waaaaa no fair!

      Most campus phones I am aware of are digital in nature and are impossible to use a conventional modem with. Hence, nobody is going to use an off-campus ISP.

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  14. Re:Constitutionality? by notbob · · Score: 2

    Coke rules, pepsi = sugar water some fat guy took a piss in and slapped a dollar price tag on

    Pepsi for the next generation of brain dead idiots, from the same people who invented the crap they call rap.

    Think it's all a conspiracy? Ebonics + Pepsi + Rap = The Henchman of the Evil Empire of Stupid People Who Really Need Jobs Badly even though American companies are at a shortfall for labor.

    (Come on Someone moderate this Funny)

  15. Re:Constitutionality? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Very hard, in fact impossible.

    but do it anyway, you cocksucker

  16. Re:Feasibility of blocking sites? by MostlyHarmless · · Score: 1

    (Un)Fortunately (depending on your orientation :-) ), this wouldn't solve it at all. I'm ignoring the part about blocking sites, because it's not feasible and you know it... the students would riot, but just blocking all ports except http wouldn't solve the problem either. As other posters have noted, you can:

    1) Set up an ftp server to use the http port
    2) If they block actual ftp requests, then just send the files via http.
    3) If this fails, then grab a cd burner and distribute your mp3s via cd. And charge a fee, of course :-). And demand the cd back, of course :-). While still charging a fee. :D

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  17. Re:Constitutionality? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Dick hole" == uretha, I believe.

  18. Re:This is _very_ constitutional. by Wah · · Score: 2

    Somehow I seriously doubt that you have ever read any part of the Constitution or the Bill of Rights.

    Somehow I seriously doubt you have any idea of my reading habits, or any habits, whatsoever. (outside the /. addiction)

    from this site

    Congress shall make no law...abridging the freedom of speech

    Now, IANAL ANWTB, nor am I a sitting judge or have experience interpreting 200 year old declarations. However, as a limiting of speech issue, I think this could fit. It could be argued convincingly that the University is abridging this right by requiring students to pay for something that is already offered as a free service using one of the other services they have already purchased. By controlling access to free (beer) speech, it could be argued that they are limiting the *freedom* of speech.

    Of course, if the students agreed (After thouroughly reading, I'm sure) to be regulated, (against their best interests) then they have no leg to stand on. And I doubt that Clemson has to follow the same rules as Congress, so the constitutionality of this action in this context is probably not an issue.

    I just don't like seeing Internet Providers try to dictate what traffic their paying customers use (outside of spam, and it's ilk). I also don't like seeing captive audiences forced to use passe technology when new, cheaper, and generally better solutions exists, especially with such an obvious profit motive. THe school should be trying to provide the best situation for its students, not trying to squeeze them for every extra penny.

    So while it may be Constitutional is this context, it definitely wouldn't be in another, and regardless of either context it can't be defended morally or ethically.

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  19. A proposal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know, when I was in college (and highschool), I always wondered why the universities let me spend most of my time playing with computers in the first place. Most of my courses didn't assign much computer work back then (only a few years ago), so when I was logged in, I spent most of my time just playing around with internet apps. When different rules went into effect that I didn't like, I always blamed the administrators, not the dean of the school. It's the IS people who push the hackers around. And they have a right too, because they're the ones that effectively dole out the network bandwidth to all these different users. They have limited budgets, thanks to the deans. Can't get around that.... or can you?

  20. Re:heh... by aozilla · · Score: 1

    hehe moderate this one up

    Do I really just talk to my screen?
    Yes, thanks to the principles of acoustiphotoelectromagnetic resonance. In other words, your monitor screen has certain acoustical properties that vary depending on the hue and intensity of the colors it displays. The variations in resonance in response to your voice is what makes FunPhone possible.

    --
    ok then your [sic] infringing on my copyright! Could you as [sic] me next time before STEALING my comments for your own?
  21. Re:So? by SPautz · · Score: 1

    But what if you chose to live on campus before this happened, like everyone there now? It's pretty tough to find a place, move out, move back in, and let everyone know your new address/phone/etc just to save a little on your phone bill. It's pretty near impossible to quantify moving out just for that. :)

    Also there aren't hardly any access #'s at Clemson, and it's kinda hard to convince your roomie to let you tie up the only phone line to your room so you can read slashdot. :)

  22. Re:Yeah right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't know what is worse-- assholes or people that respond to assholes.

  23. Re:Bandwidth??? by nyet · · Score: 1


    X = Bandwidth now
    Y = Bandwidth once they block dialpad

    X - Y = Bandwidth due to dialpad

    Yes, but when Y is much less than X then clearly the profit incentive for protecting their long distance service is a much more probable motive. WORST case low quality voice over IP is maximally 4kbps (thats BITS).


    However, he acknowledged that the bandwidth usage
    would probably be negligable [sic]


    Its amazing i dont see more posts about this particular statement, only naive rants about constitutional law.


  24. Re:Constitutionality? by simlo · · Score: 1

    Lucky bastard: here we can only buy Pepsi not Coke.

    I can't simply believe this mentallity of restricting the competition. Ofcourse the companies want to restrict it so they are free to raise thier prices. The problem is that many people seem to have mistaken the concept of "free market" with the original concept "free competition". Just look at many of the comments to the DOJ v. Microsoft case: "Let the free market decide". It seems like those people can't understand that the first thing a company will do if it optains the opportunity is to quench all competion. In this case it is the universities and Coca Cola or Pepsi that do it together. This can only happen because the market is too "free", i.e. without some governmental interference that blocks these local monopolies.

    Therefore: maximise the "free competition", not the "free market", which ultimately will lay all power into the hand of the coorporations.

  25. This article is almost irelevant. by PimpSmurf · · Score: 1

    You can still use dcc voice communications. Also. in the school handbook they site, and I quote, "... unrestricted internet access over multible broadband connections..." Isn't this a violation of something??? I dont use these services. I find a voice to be too distracting, and scary. I perfer irc.cabi.net.

    Please moderate +1 informative. ;]

    --
    Stupid people do stupid things... Smart people outsmart each other... --System of a Down
  26. More like a Business now by Kamran · · Score: 1

    Another case of the university acting as a business rather than a university.
    It should be helping students not denying them services, which would save the students money.
    Students have enough money problems as it is.
    Surely any service which saves them money is less stressful for the students.

  27. It also might be a contract issue. by addison · · Score: 2

    ObjDisclaimer: Alumnus of Clemson, and DCIT was boneheads back then, even worse. Secondly - they're not all idiots, they've got some really good systems and ideas.

    Clemson (and likely every other Univ, and State and Local governments) has an exclusive contract for long-distance. Since dialpad.com and others essentially allow you to connect LD, there could be an issue that its a violation of the exclusive contract.

    (side note - Back when I was at Clemson, 89-93, AT&T actually disabled their calling cards from the carrier that had the entire State's contract (including Universities) from time to time - apparently just to cause problems.)

    I don't see the real problem here - bandwidth consumed by students is not negligible. I worked for the Univ of South Carolina's CSD, and student bandwith forced one upgrade while I was there.

    But I'd be surprised if you don't start seeing more of these blockages, based on prior exclusive contracts - and more strongly worded contracts from now on, for the next few years, while voice/data begin to re-merge.

    Addison

    1. Re:It also might be a contract issue. by Alex+Pennace · · Score: 1

      I don't see the real problem here - bandwidth consumed by students is not negligible. I worked for the Univ of South Carolina's CSD, and student bandwith forced one upgrade while I was there.

      You make it sound like the student utilizations of the network is a bad thing. But who is paying for it? Do college administrators honestly expect students to just pay tuition and fees and not use any school resources? Given the attitude of the administration at Clemson and other schools, this out of this world attitude is the norm for all institutions of higher learning.

  28. ahh, corporate greed again kicks in... by v3rgEz · · Score: 1

    hopefully these already pretty poor college kids will get the chance to free long distance again. otherwise, get people to use calling cards and boycott the tel. service.

  29. Lost pizza revenue! by psychophil.com · · Score: 1

    Hell, next they'll ban on campus pizza delivery in an attempt to make every pay for thier meals at the on campus dining halls.

  30. Re:Constitutionality? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As in Franklin?

  31. Discussion on clem.hubcap by cout · · Score: 2

    There's been some discussion during the past week on our local newsgroup, clem.hubcap, regarding dialpad.com and napster. The fulltext of the most informative of the posts is at deja.com at this URL.

  32. Re:Dormitories are not the real world. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The students at clemson university will find much more meaningful ways to tie up the bandwidth. ( i should know, i go there. i do it )

  33. Clemson is not profitting and is not a monopoly by VAXman · · Score: 2

    Universities are not-for-profit businesses. The chancellor is not sitting in his office, laughing, at all of the additional dollars he is going to make this year because they denied access to the free long distance program. Most likely, the extra money generated by this action will be spent back into increased network equipment, computer labs, possibly classes, etc., etc. This is not a case of making MORE money - it is a case of losing LESS money.

    Second, Clemson does not have a monopoly, as far as ISP's go. I do not know if cable modem or DSL services are available in the Clemson area, but certainly other dialup ISP's are. So this is not a case of a monopoly leveraging its monopoly position in one market to gain an advantage in another (e.g. Microsoft allegedly using its monopoly is OS'es to gain an advantage in web browsers). You still have a choice for ISP. Now, if there was only one ISP (AOL-TW, anyone?) and they used their monopoly power to do this to leverage their own phone service, there would most definitely be cause for concern.

    Third, you do not have a right to choice. We live in a free market, and you can only buy what people will sell you, not whatever you want.

    1. Re:Clemson is not profitting and is not a monopoly by 0xdeadbeef · · Score: 2

      Actually they probably do have a monoply for high-speed net access in the campus dorms. Where else do think they are capable of blocking outbound connections?

      Make up your mind, are they are not-for-profit, or are they a business? Your "you do not have a right to choice" rhetoric means squat if Clemson receives public money or the special tax status that non-profits usually recieve. Whose interests is it suppost to be serving, the students or its owners? Does Clemson even have owners?

    2. Re:Clemson is not profitting and is not a monopoly by BMJORDAN · · Score: 1

      I got in contact with the university, and the money generated by the long distance companies is funneled into services like the local phone switchboard, and campus 911 and the like. That still doesn't mean they have the right to ban their students from Dialpad. And, they abso-freaking-lutely have a monopoly over long distance service.

      As far as ISP monopolies, I live in a dorm on campus and there is no way in the world I'm going to sign up for AOL (aka AOHell), in fact, most of the ISPs are long distance if you live in the heart of Clemson. When I heard that Dialpad was blocked, I immediately ran to the arms of my MSN account, only to find that I had to have long distance service to get dial the number. How ironic.

    3. Re:Clemson is not profitting and is not a monopoly by cout · · Score: 1

      My freshman year, we had to pay $40 per semester to have access to Resnet (residential networking at Clemson). Last year, the entire campus got access to Resnet (including on-campus apartments), the housing fee was increased, and the $40 connection fee was removed. So essentially we don't have a choice for ISP as long as we live on campus. We can choose to use another ISP, but we can't opt to not pay for Clemson's service.

      How does this not sound like a monopoly?

  34. Re:heh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, that's friggin funny! I hope you get moderated up to 5!

  35. huh? by elegant7x · · Score: 1

    They aren't using very much bandwidth at all, As I said earlier, Dialpad works fine over a 33.6k modem. I don't know if these guys have Ethernet or not (A commenter from there mentioned that they had pretty fascist admins), but Where I went to school, one paid $7 a month for Ethernet service.

    Dial pad is not 'accessing the university network' But rather, individuals on that network are accessing it. What you are saying is that any company that provides a free service supported by advertising are 'hijacking' the networks of people that pay to use them.

    Maybe you didn't read the article, The university is blocking access to Dialpad to it's users When I go to netscape.com, or slashdot.org, the bandwidth of My ISP is being used by them. If you don't transfer information, you aren't going to have a very interesting network. Anyone with a brain can see that they are not doing this because they are overloaded with bandwidth, but because they are worried that they'll loose money on long distance phone companies.

    Amber Yuan (--ell7)

    --

    "and dear god does this website suck now." -- CmdrTaco
  36. Yeah right by Secx · · Score: 1

    Students could still use stuff like Net2Phone, iParty, cu-seeme. It really is a lame excuse to have monopoly over the international calls.

    1. Re:Yeah right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      dialpad.com connects to an actual phone, I have done it personally.

    2. Re:Yeah right by Krusty+Da+Klown · · Score: 1

      That's not true: http://www.efusion.com

    3. Re:Yeah right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're still wrong. www.mediaring.com. They charge for it, but you can still dial directly to a telephone from the net.

    4. Re:Yeah right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or the people who sit and analyze them all. or me the guy who comments on them.

    5. Re:Yeah right by Lord+of+the+Files · · Score: 1

      OK, I phrased that badly. I meant that only web pages allow you to connect to actual phones, I don't know of any stand alone software that does so.

      --

      God does not play dice - Einstein

      Not only does God play dice, he sometimes throws them where they

    6. Re:Yeah right by Lord+of+the+Files · · Score: 1

      While there's a lot of software that allows you to talk over the internet, as far as I know none of it can connect to someone else at an actual phone.

      --

      God does not play dice - Einstein

      Not only does God play dice, he sometimes throws them where they

    7. Re:Yeah right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have a serious problem. You should seek help.

  37. Re:Bandwidth??? by nyet · · Score: 1

    urm in case its not obvious, i meant to say if Y is very close to X... the author made a very bizarre choice for variables :P

  38. incompetent IT department? by intmainvoid · · Score: 1
    the reason for blocking the sites was to determine the 'impact on our Internet bandwidth'

    surely they can measure the bandwidth usage as it happens rather than by blocking it and measuring the difference. Sounds to me like they are protecting the monopoly.

    maybe they should block traffic to slashdot and see how much things improve!

    1. Re:incompetent IT department? by gargle · · Score: 2

      Instead of students serving the Universities, Universities need to serve the needs of the students. Students will continue to be overcharged, underrepresented, bullied, and "processed" through a system which just wants money at every turn.

      Students need to take a stand. Demonstrate, make yourselves heard. It's a formative experience. I'm of the opinion that the ability of the students to stand up for themselves and what they believe in is a good measure of the quality of the university.

    2. Re:incompetent IT department? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Students will continue to be overcharged, underrepresented, bullied, and "processed" through a system which just wants money at every turn. Congratulations. You just described the relationship most people have with the goverenment.

    3. Re:incompetent IT department? by cfreeze · · Score: 1

      Incompentency is not the word, as a grad student in the Computer Science department at Clemson I can quickly say that the level of skill possessed by the employees of the IT department is deplorable. Constant network outages, slow service, constantly crashing web servers, in some of the classrooms I teach in getting logged into this "World's largest Novell Network" is an impossible task. I can only hope that the idoits within this department use this as a wake up call. Btw, if any of you want to talk to me, I'll be in my office in Jordan G-06. I would love to tell you to your face how truely incompetent you really are...

    4. Re:incompetent IT department? by cfreeze · · Score: 1

      Can I say truely what a wind bag you are, we have 5 T1's and a 10 bursting to 25 megabit ATM link out of this University... So you are going to say that our IT department is going to follow the policy of let's cut the the arm off to see if the red spot is a rash, and if it isn't we'll sew it back on later...if it doesn't get swept under the rug and left disconnected...Sadly disappointing from DCIT, but most students when accessing the campus intranet have become used to this type of poor IT service...

    5. Re:incompetent IT department? by Lucky+Bob · · Score: 1
      For those that don't know, Clemson U . is a land grant college in South Carolina, $3600 a year in state approx. DCIT runs the network and Internet access. Clemson has one on the largest Novell networks in the world, approx. 40,000 users. All dorms have had network access for 2+ years, some over 5. We charge a $50 technology fee. Students have 50 MB, of network space, that automatically maps, employees have 100MB. On that space is your E-mail, files, and space for a website, or you can ask for a nearly unlimited website space on our web server. Almost all personalized Windows settings follow you from computer to computer. All DCIT run labs are free to all students. Department labs may require an additional fee. Students have free access to laser printers, color laser, and color plotter. All of the student I know who have left and gone to grad school elsewhere miss the network. Students from other schools are amazed when they see what is provided here.

      To the heart of the story, the wait is to have a committee of students, faculty, and DCIT staff determine how to integrate this technology into the University's existing long distance service. Access to the sites will most probably be restored, but the impact to the various services at the University must be examined. Hardware may need to be upgraded and prices changed. Right now the switchboard is self sufficient, remove long distance revenues and it must be made up somewhere or disconnected.

      --
      Exercize in Contradictions
    6. Re:incompetent IT department? by Krusty+Da+Klown · · Score: 3

      ...except that it's not the real reason, of course. Universities make a great deal of money on the monopolies that they control, and will go to great lengths to protect them.

      The sad part about this is that the students are paying to use that bandwidth and internet connection, and they are being told how to use it. Worse yet, most campus facilities don't offer alternatives like DSL or cable modems.

      It always enraged me when I had to pay a $100 "lab fee" per computer science course, even though I never set foot in the computing center at school. In fact, I didn't even tie up one of their crappy dialups, instead preferring an outside ISP. Did I have a leg to stand on when I argued that I shouldn't have to pay? No. They simply charged my account. What was I going to do?

      Until we make some changes in the whole mentality of higher education in this country, these sorts of examples will prevail. Instead of students serving the Universities, Universities need to serve the needs of the students. Students will continue to be overcharged, underrepresented, bullied, and "processed" through a system which just wants money at every turn.

      It's been going on for years. It's high time someone makes use of the collective powers of the Internet to change this.

  39. Re:And if that doesn't work...! by Mr.+X · · Score: 2

    I was led to believe the above was his office address, and not his home. Anyways, I hope that those who would take the time to write him a letter would have the courtesy to make it reasonably civil, especially if they intended to accomplish anything.

    >As for singling people out and posting their home addresses on the internet, perhaps it would be more prudent not to do so. When he starts >getting death threats and package bombs, how will that sit with your conscience?

    I highly doubt someone willing to go to that extreme needed my help getting his address. I grabbed it right off of the www.clemson.edu server.

  40. OT: Linux Service? by gregj · · Score: 2

    OffTopic, but I would really like to use this service. Has any one used a service like this under linux?

    1. Re:OT: Linux Service? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      its idiots like you that make life difficult for those who believe in reading /. uncensored. eventually i'll have to switch to reading at 1 much as i hate the concept.

    2. Re:OT: Linux Service? by Skweetis · · Score: 1

      dialpad.com works fine under Linux/Netscape (it is a Java applet, if I remember correctly), and it is the only one I have seen that be used to call an actual telephone.

    3. Re:OT: Linux Service? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      kripes i say

    4. Re:OT: Linux Service? by bradipo · · Score: 1

      I couldn't ever get it to run on my linux machine---always reported an error like "ELF not supported"...

    5. Re:OT: Linux Service? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obviously moderation didn't help you. Because since you replied, you must have seen/read my post.

      Tough luck, eh bananaboy?

    6. Re:OT: Linux Service? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I may be wrong, but this looks like a clear case of abuse to me.

      Please dude, whoever you are, do not ruin the privledge to post anonymously for the rest of us.

    7. Re:OT: Linux Service? by jmp100 · · Score: 1
      and the other thing that begins with M and ends with ation!

      (sorry :))

    8. Re:OT: Linux Service? by Insanik · · Score: 1

      Thank god for moderation

    9. Re:OT: Linux Service? by Col.+Klink+(retired) · · Score: 2

      Speak Freely is Free (speech) and available for both Windows & Linux. This isn't exactly the same as dialpad.com... both (all) ends of the conversation talk over their computer. Conversations can also be encrypted with your favorite cypher.

      --

      -- Don't Tase me, bro!

  41. Re:Consider discount calling card services by Windigo+The+Feral+(N · · Score: 5

    Wirehead dun said:

    Any students threatened by such a policy should notify the administration that discount calling card services can be used to the same effect... Heads up on that one- I was an Over the Road truck driver for many years, payphone providers regularly block access to the 1-800 numbers used to connect to discount calling cards. It would be trivial for the campii (sp?) to do the same thing.

    First off, it may be trivial, but it's also quite illegal. You see, legally, telephone providers (including universities and payphone providers) cannot block access to 1-800 numbers for calling cards, 10-10-xxx numbers, etc. because of several laws (including the Telecommunications Act of 1996, mandating that phone companies open up local lines to competition) and because of telephone companies' special legal status of a common carrier.

    This is not to say that phone companies don't do it illegally, though. Many university phone providers illegally block 1-800 access numbers and 10-10-xxx access numbers; COCOT pay phones (COCOTS are small, for-profit telephone companies outside the local monopolies that run pay phone services in which the person who allows the phone on his property gets a considerable cut--in fact, many of the same parties that run COCOT pay phones also run university phone systems) are downright infamous for blocking equal access, as are hotel telephone services; occasionally, one of the "big boy" telcos will do it as well (I've run into GTE pay phones at Bristol Motor Speedway that will not accept access to other phone companies--neither by calling card nor by 10-10-xxx number--though fortunately they've not figured out how to block personal 1-800 numbers yet :).

    If your university/pay phone/etc. IS blocking 1-800 access numbers for collect calls or calling cards, and/or if it blocks 10-10-xxx phone numbers, give a call to your state's Public Utilities Commission (it is normally in the phone book in the information section or in the Blue Pages). Explain that the telco is blocking equal access by blocking 10-10-xxx or calling-card access (whichever applies)--as noted, this is flatly illegal, and it is one of the few things that PSCs and the FCC (which regulates the telephone industry) will clue-by-four telephone companies over (some COCOT operators have actually lost their "license" to operate a telephone company because they blocked equal access).

    I suspect that most universities that use these COCOT-style services as "dorm telephone service" aren't aware of the laws regarding equal access, and think of it as a "business agreement" much like they'd see an exclusive contract with a soft-drink distributor. Alas, Coke and Pepsi distributors generally aren't subject to common-carrier laws like telcos are :)

    You'll also want to contact the phone company you have calling-card access with (or whom you get 10-10-xxx access through) and notify them that your university (or COCOT phones) are blocking access to alternate providers. Many long-distance companies are all too happy to sic the FCC on folks who illegally block 1-800 calling-card access and/or 10-10-xxx access (AT&T among them).

    More info than you ever cared to see about telcos, and the laws affecting them, here, and info specifically on equal access here and h ere and even a cute little Postscript complaint sticker that gives info about the laws regarding equal access. :)

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    -Windigo The Feral (NYAR!)
  42. Re:Their network access is a PRIVILEGE not a RIGHT by jconley · · Score: 1
    Jish-
    At clemson they are paying a whopping $30,000+ a year for their Internet access. And then they have to pay for phone calls home now too. Internet access is a privlege, but if Clemson is going to limit this, where does it stop?

    Jordan

  43. have you any sense of proportion? by Scudsucker · · Score: 1

    It seems everyone thinks they are entitled to everything, either for free or virtually nothing. Clemson, and every other University, has the right to ban every site they want, serve the beverage, or charge what they want for phone access.

    No, they don't. Not without good reason, and banning free long distance calling so you have a monopoly is not a good reason.

    You have 5,000 ports on a network, with lots of bandwidth (I think we have a couple T3's, 2 T1's, and a seperate OC3 to another school), but if everyone starts pushing a gig an hour, that bandwidth is going to be gone in no time.

    Again, do you have any sense of proportion? I don't know what kind of compression this site was using, but Roger Wilco uses about 500k an hour for a two person conversation, and its meant to be used while playing games over a modem. In many cases, long distance calling would take up less bandwitdh than ordinary browsing.

  44. University Monopoles(sic) by DougBorg · · Score: 1

    Here at my uni they do everything possible to shaft the undergrads and to a lesser extent the post grads. Second hand book store books at 1/2 price: Shut down so waterstones could move in and never have the right books Union shops stuf downs Sandwiches at 30% more than shops off campus. And more on topic: The halls of residence have no capacity to dial out you have the use a 3rd party which surcharged on the cheaper 0800 (free in uk) companies... This has since been sold (i wont say Ericsson) and they are also running the network here. Ill love it when they ban icq and sites they dont want. The idea of putting ericsson ISp cds in every room was luckily veto'd by a person with common sence. ick ack yuk not the view of my uni

  45. Yes, but who owns the state? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does anyone honestly believe the state is an agent of taxpayers? Of citizens? Of PEOPLE? I think any half intelligent person can see that the state is an agent of The Corporations. http://www.adbusters.org/magazine/28/usa.html

    1. Re:Yes, but who owns the state? by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

      The Corporations.

      What kind of drugs are you on? Can I get some?

      If corporations actually controlled government. you would NOT see capital gains taxes, OSHA, Unions, Social Security Payroll Taxes, the EPA, the Taft-Hartley and Sherman anti-trust acts, the DOJ action against Microsoft, EOE acts, Worker's Comp, Unemployment Insurance, child labor laws, age discrimination laws, and any of a million other encumberances on the behaviour of corporations that protect citizens against corporations.

  46. The short term solution to this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Use proxy servers.

    http://dir.yahoo.com/Computers_and_Internet/Softwa re/Internet/World_Wide_Web/Servers/Proxi es/

    Some prozies even offer anonymity etc, a few are free.

    What ever happened to that fat fuck Chuck?

  47. in-loco-parente, baby!... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...now go to your room and study.

  48. Re:yes it sucks BUT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You losers. If its so bad, DON'T GO TO SCHOOL THERE!!!

  49. Re:Schools wanting monopolies? Nah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My school (www.gmu.edu) has blocked out code numbers, like 10-10-220 & 10-10-321 b/c it takes the power away from them to charge us outrageous prices. Im paying up to 15&17 cents a minute. Also, my school blocked out www.alladvantage.com, b/c students were tryin to make $$ of surfing the net. They claimed it was against the computing policy-you cant run business over the state's resources.

  50. Way around everything.. by __aawavt7683 · · Score: 1

    There's a way around EVERYTHING and ANYTHING that's done. For this one, just use a proxy. should work.

  51. Re:Feasibility of blocking sites? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Routers have weaker CPUs than most computers.

  52. Re:No, you should not do this, and here's why!!! by Greg+Lindahl · · Score: 1


    We shouldn't spam anyone. On the other hand, Clemson is a public university, so a lot more people than just the students have a stake in what Clemson does.

  53. Does this open Clemson to lawsuits? by buysse · · Score: 1
    IANAL, but I seem to remember a few discussions at the University of Minnesota (my employer, and in no way are these words the opinion of them, etc.) about Usenet. The department that ran the news servers would not block access to any of the newsgroups on the grounds that the University would no longer be a common carrier, and then would hence be liable for what they *didn't* block.

    Does this make any sense to someone with legal training? Does Clemson become responsible for other content that isn't blocked once they are no longer a common carrier? Does that affect sites that block Napster? (I'm not saying that banning MP3s would break this, that's a policy issue. They could even say "Don't do that" and it wouldn't break the status of common carrier in my mind)

    --
    -30-
  54. dialpad instructions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    am I supposed to dial "1" before the area code, or not? I can't get it to work

  55. Usage by mindstrm · · Score: 2

    Well..
    if the issue is bandwidth usage at the university internet gateway, then the university should take measures to regulate it's use, not by blocking certain destinations, but by either capping the bandiwdth, or having some sort of bandwidth-usage regulation, regardless of content.

  56. Re:Write the president of Clemson U. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm so tempted to call the aformentioned president of Clemson U. using dialpad.com...

  57. Re:Constitutionality? by theancient1 · · Score: 1

    Negotiating single-source beverage deals is quite common for universities, and even high schools. In Canada, UBC got $10 million from Coke for signing a 10-year deal. A few years ago, my university was negotiating a similar contract, and was expecting figures in the $10 million dollar range. Students often complain that their freedom of choice is being limited... but with so much money involved, universities are eager to sign away freedom of choice.

  58. Re:Constitutionality? by evil_deceiver · · Score: 1

    On my campus, they used to sell both Coke and Pepsi, in the campus stores and all. There was no problem with this. Plenty of both products were sold. There were points of purchase littered across the campus. Then someone sold out to Pepsi, which I think is unfortunate, since I prefer Coke products, on the whole. Now you can't buy Coke anywhere. Is there a possible motivation for this decision other than money?

  59. A proposal (cont'd) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Extra bandwidth costs money, and that money comes out of the pockets of the students. At the same time, there are all these new neatsy keen (and demanding) TCP/IP programs that come out.

    So...is there some way for the students who want the ability to download mp3's, watch realvideo, play network games, and make long distance phone calls, etc, to do all of this on the same LAN that as the "academic" users, but a different outside connection, one that is run by a private company that gets its money from those students? Everyone who has a phone can choose their long distance company. Looks like college students have no real choice as far as ISP's goes (mindspring over 56K is a crummy alternative to ethernet, yes?) , but can they choose their backbone provider and take responsibility for the extra costs?

    1. Re:A proposal (cont'd) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would they think of doing this? Probably not.

  60. Re:Write the editor of that article. by Coolfish · · Score: 1

    Maybe this should be an Ask Slashdot question. Is there ANY University paper that isn't written by high school drop outs?

    Why does the article link to "FunPhone.com", a blatant April Fools joke from years past? They call it some sort of competitor to Dialpad.com ?

    Honestly, this kinda stupidy makes me question the credibility of anything written in student papers. Odds are, the journalism student who wrote the paper probably typed in deyalpadd.com, it didn't load, so he figured the University was censoring him! Must write an article! Conspiracy! Things are a-foot, and we're not just talking about the things we walk on!

    Sheesh!

  61. Re:winipcfg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ipconfig on 98 and NT4 also.

  62. Re:Constitutionality? by Wah · · Score: 2

    Umm, seems to me that web access and free long-distance are the same thing. I just went to dialpad.com (in win) and called my mom after about 3 minutes of registering and two java applets. We talked for a half hour free and I'll be using it quite a bit since I didn't feel like plunking down a $200 long distance despostic with my local desp^H^H^HHprovider. It's called Voice over IP (VoIP). Voice only takes about 8kbs for good quality so any concerns over waste of bandwidth are a joke.

    What they are doing amounts to censorship. "You cannot go to this website because we offer a competing service." This is wrong and should not be tolerated.

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  63. Prophetic words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... from earlier this morning:

    http://slashdot.org/comm ents.pl?sid=00/01/29/0010203&cid=3

    AFAIC, this is the same as the thing with Napster. They can't afford that much bandwidth. I don't see what the problem is. They are using too much bandwidth and that's that. Maybe the school should just get a slower connection.

  64. Re:not too suprising...... by csen · · Score: 1

    The recent articles mentioning the banning of sites such as napster and now dialpad, coupled with the post about attempts to limit students' freedoms at Arizona State, are setting a disturbing trend of universities trying to dictate to their students what they can and cannot do. A common reason for the censoring is that "it's a privilege to use the network." Well, I don't buy that. Networks are ubiquitous in centers of higher education, and while attending college may be considered a privilege, using the network at such an institution, one that students pay for, certainly isn't.

    If my school (Harvey Mudd) were to ever implement a policy as totalitarian as the one described at Clemson, I'd seriously consider a transfer and would tell prospective students not to come here, not just because of the lost services, but also because it shows what the administration thinks about the students. How long will it be before college guides have an IT category listing whether such-and-such school has banned napster, etc?

  65. Re:why'd you bother trolling this deep? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm the one who originally replied to you. I simply don't understand your logic. First of all, I'd like to say that politically, I'm libertarian, and am very familar with the 10th amendment and the rest of the Bill of Rights. I simply can't agree with your worshipping attitude towards the power of the State. (both the Federal Government and the 50 states). Ever hear of the 9th amendment? The PEOPLE retain rights not specifically listed in the Constitution. Clemson, being a state school, recieves a part of its funding by the taxpayers of South Carolina. (which includes ME!) Therefore, I would have to protest this policy as being an unwarrented intrusion of the State into the private activities of it's citizens. (and don't give me crap saying Dialpad is costing the state bandwidth money, because they already admitted that it had a minimal effect).

  66. Re:Feasibility of blocking sites? by The+Second+Horseman · · Score: 1
    Within the next six months, you're going to see policy-based resource allocation take off, where certain services, protocols, subnets, users, etc. all can be assigned bandwidth limits.

    I suspect that sort of thing is going to go in at universities first. We just had to kill Napster -- it was completely blowing away our T1. Our line utilization was cut in half as soon as we did it. And you're right, it's only a matter of time before the next thing comes along -- and policies (which Lucent, Cicso, and 3com are all supporting or planning to support) are going to take off.

  67. this is very uncool by jackmott · · Score: 1

    This sort of thing should be illegal. Banning a free service so the school can charge!
    I dont think so.

    anyone have an email address so I can make the people responsible feel like jerks?
    email me

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  68. Re:Bandwidth??? by aliebrah · · Score: 1
    X = Bandwidth now
    Y = Bandwidth once they block dialpad

    I think it would be very interesting if they found that Y > X. Does that mean they would allow Dialpad though, I doubt it.

  69. It's just like the Mentor said by evil_deceiver · · Score: 1

    "We make use of a service already existing without paying for what could be dirt-cheap if it wasn't run by profiteering gluttons, and you call us criminals." -- The Hacker Manifesto

    Nobody at Clemson is doing anything illegal. And, by the admission of their own "vice provost for computing and information technology", there is probably no serious bandwidth concern here. Censorship is terrible enough as it is, but it's sad to see it used to help a company try to force people to remain its customers--and pay what is, if Clemson is anything like my school, a much higher price for its services than they would anywhere else.

  70. Re:Rants and Facts about DCIT && Clemson by broller · · Score: 1
    Two things came from this DCIT decision, one good and one bad.

    The Bad:
    Dialpad was blocked. The story was published. hubcap (the server holding The Tiger's article) slows down even more due to everyone in the world visiting from Slashdot making life hell in Clemson.

    The Good:
    Our school gets "recognized" and we get to see how many of us are on Slashdot. :)

    Seriously though, if they wanted to improve the network speed and cut down on potential legal problems, they should have been consistent and blocked all of the porn sites from the freshman dorms. After all, they are technically responsible for all the minors that download porn all day. Though I guess that could be classified as educational for some of them.

    Once you start blocking some of it, you have to block everything or you're responsible for what you left out

  71. Clemson Students React to the Censorship! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A couple of Clemson students have found a simple fix for DCIT's blocking of Dialpad...The site is an idiot's guide to patching the problem. Apparently, all you need to do is input a new proxy to your web browser and you'll be able to enter Dialpad Check out: ( http://members.xoom.com/downwithdcit/ ) for more details. Clemson students can expect to see a couple of ads for the site on campus Monday or Tuesday & I hear that the group might be making a program that'll patch the problem with a simple double click...

  72. Re:Feasibility of blocking sites? by Pathwalker · · Score: 1

    Routers have weaker CPUs than most computers.
    Not all the time - depends what you put in them - I'm probably going ot be setting up a system as a router with a fast pII or pIII in it soon, and it's going to actually need that processing power for what I plan to do...

    (if you want to try to guess, here's a clue, it's going to have as many network cards as I can cram into it (at least 5) as well).

  73. Re:For your sake . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually, I do have a car, and had to dig my car out from Cambridge St. not once, but twice! The first time was right after the snow fell; I didn't have a shovel handy, so I kicked snow out of the way with my boot until I could back into the (luckily empty) spot behind me. A half hour later (after much kicking of snow and spinning of wheels) I catapaulted my car over that hump the snowplows make.

    Then yesterday I had to chip at the frozen snow under my tires to escape a different spot...took another half hour...

    Dammit, the snow should just melt...pooh...

  74. A little inconvenient, but.... by paro12 · · Score: 1

    If worst came to worst, and you really, really felt the need to use something such as dialpad, you could always just sign up for a local dial-up service (assuming you have a modem) and go about it that way... usually universities have free local calling so all you'd be paying for would be the service, which would be a whole lot cheaper than a long distance bill. I know that this really isn't the issue at hand, but it is a way around it.

  75. ISP's here in Clemson suck by Clem3Frank · · Score: 1

    As soon as Northland Cable wakes up and gets cable modem's I'm moving off campus.

    1. Re:ISP's here in Clemson suck by Rick_T · · Score: 1

      | As soon as Northland Cable wakes up and gets
      | cable modems I'm moving off campus.

      You'll graduate first. And that's if you stay here and get about seven or eight doctorates in vastly different fields.

      Seriously, though, the previous post was highly amusing to those of us who've dealt with Northland cable. Luckily, those of us off-campus can at least get satellite TV. Northland in Clemson can't even get CABLE TV right - who on earth would want them to provide their internet service, too?

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      -- Rick
  76. Re:Their network access is a PRIVILEGE not a RIGHT by Jish · · Score: 1

    Wow,

    I figured at least some of that money was going towards their education...

    Josh

  77. Re:Constitutionality? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    its more creepy than funny

  78. Re:Constitutionality? by NMerriam · · Score: 2

    Their is no law against selling competing products from the same vending machine No law, but the contracts prohibit it. Who pays for the vending machines? they don't spring out of the ground. Coke and Pepsi (their local distributer, really) provide the machines and prohibit you from placing other vendors' products in them. That's not to say you couldn't have a coke machine next to a pepsi machine, but having them both in the same machine will cost a lot more money because you'll ahve to pay for the machine yourself...

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  79. technical details by aozilla · · Score: 1

    How is this block being implemented? There must be a way around it. SSH port forwarding?

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    ok then your [sic] infringing on my copyright! Could you as [sic] me next time before STEALING my comments for your own?
  80. Re:Constitutionality? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    its a public school

  81. Re:Feasibility of blocking sites? by ostiguy · · Score: 1

    Schools are going to have to come up with per IP bandwidth allocations. Of course, before Napster was banned at AU, I couldn't possibly download an ISO of FreeBSD due to the likelihood of a spike in traffic killing my connection.

    Of course, those of us who realize they don't allocate .250-255 of every class C subnet, would probably avoid paying in such a scheme, but I digress. :- )

  82. Re:Consider discount calling card services by mlc · · Score: 1

    What a ripoff! At my school, we pay AT&T 9cents/min for long distance 24/7, 6cents/min in state, and either 3, 6.5 or 10 cents flat fee for a local call (on-campus calls free), depending on the time of day.

  83. Rants and Facts about DCIT && Clemson by DragonWyatt · · Score: 5

    Warning: This post is LONG.
    As a former student of Clemson, I'd like to share a few unhappy facts about the university's allocation of resources.

    Fact #1: DCIT is the Micro$oft of Clemson.
    They have traditionally been so clueless that the bigger colleges formed their own computing support infrastructures. A good example is the College of Engineering and Science. They have their own support infrastructure known as Engineering Computer Operations. They have all their own routers, computers, etc... All because DCIT couldn't deliver on competence and facilities in the past. To be fair, DCIT has improved service over the years-Cisco everywhere, for example. Campus-to-campus connections are now nice and fast.

    Fact #2: Clemson's administration == clueless and deaf
    It is the administration and leadership (Duckenfield included) that live life without a clue.
    Just some background, and information, so that everyone has a little history. I arrived at clemson in 92 as an engineering major. I discovered these cool Sun workstations on a network NOT managed by DCIT that I could use to do gopher, and even some web browsing.
    I think that sometimes, you could go to a DCIT lab, and the dot matrix printers there might work.
    In 97 or so, they started introducing "resnet", which was ethernet in the dorms. It was only available in the two most expensive dorms (20-40% > other dorms), and cost $40/semester. The service was lousy but hey, it was a start. In 98, DCIT completed wiring the other dorms on campus, and elimintated the $40 setup fee. Suddenly there were around 5000-6000 new nodes on the campus network, full-time, surfing, ftp'ing mp3's, etc.

    Clemson only had three T1's at that point. You do the math.
    You were lucky to get 800 *bytes per second* between 7am-3am. Imagine downloading Solaris patch clusters with that handicap.

    Also in early 98, DCIT proposed (and the administration approved) a mandatory $50 "technology fee," to be paid yearly by all students in the interest of improving campus computing resources. Multiply that by 17000 students... $850000/year income from this alone!

    Sounds like a great qualifier for funding more bandwidth, right? Wrong.

    Everyone from the students to the deans fought tooth and nail to have the pipe upgraded. And in TWO YEARS (think internet time...) it never happened. "Not enough funds." (in the background, CHA-CHING CHA-CHING $850000/year).
    Many resnet users switched to faster 33.6k and 56k modems, using local ISP's, just to get better performance than on-campus ethernet.

    When I left in may.99, they still only had three T1's. I understand they upgraded recently, not sure to what since I'm not there any more. In the meantime, DCIT has been blissfully upgrading all lab PC's every 6 months. I guess we know where the $850000 goes. Terrible management of resources!

    Well I guess I'll end my rant. I'd go ahead and post about Clemson putting the firewall in between the dorms and the internet backwards (protecting the internet from the dorms!) and required all off-campus traffic to be authenticated agains their NDS tree--but I'm sure someone else will do it. If there's enough demand and I don't see it appear I'll post it later.

    Thanks,
    DragonWyatt

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    1. Re:Rants and Facts about DCIT && Clemson by Clem3Frank · · Score: 2

      I am a junior here and the network hadn't been all too bad until they started banning stuff. Granted it sucked when we only had 3T1's for 4000 dorm users + faculty. Here's the scoop on the upgrade: During the summer of 99 the admin finally decided to allocate the money for a faster "commodity internet connection". presently we have one T3 directly to Georgia Tech as part of a link to the vBNS but that is only an "educational" link and basically we only see that speed if we're getting mp3's from GaTech :) or someone else on the vBNS. Our "Commodity Internet connection" is presently an "ATM 10-20 Mbit burst Expandable connection" or something like that containing those words not neccesarily in that order. usually I can get around 50-70K at 1pm during the day depending on where I go. Going through 2 years with Shit speed convinced the admin it was time to spend the big bucks and go for the ATM connection we have now. They put in a PIXen firewall between the dorm network and the rest of the world and basically, we have to authenticate with our e-mail password every 2 hours. they said it was "to protect the university leagally" but now we all see what they really intended it for. preserveing a monopoly over the students. it makes me wonder when they're going to ban www.varsitybooks.com and all those other online bookstores so they can continue to gouge us on the cost of books. I saved about $150 this semster on books from the internet. I hope they don't figure that one out. I completely agree with the mismanagement claims. They keep upgrading the Labs all over campus (about 500-700) computers every 6 months. there is usually about half a lab of pentium 3 600's sitting idle at any given time on campus. Gotta love when my I can dump my 266 with a tnt2u can't keep up with q2 with someone in a lab running in software mode. at a higher resolution.

    2. Re:Rants and Facts about DCIT && Clemson by cout · · Score: 1

      They put in a PIXen firewall between the dorm network and the rest of the world and basically, we have to authenticate with our e-mail password every 2 hours. they said it was "to protect the university leagally" but now we all see what they really intended it for. preserveing a monopoly over the students.

      I don't think the PIXen are what's blocking the traffic -- note that the machines outside the firewall are also blocked from dialpad.com. This means you can't set up a proxy on hubcap (our Unix server here, for those who don't know) and get to dialpad.com that way. Nor can you get to dialpad.com from any of the computer labs, or from a professor's office. The entire campus is blocked.

  84. Monopoly, of course... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just like the shitty things that all colleges do. See my page entitled "Why Dartmouth Sucks". The shitty phone service is one of the reasons.

    Does this stupid school ban calling cards? They're usually cheaper than school's long distance.

    How can the school protect its "financial interests?" Isn't it a non-profit organization? Alright, I can see that they don't want to lose money, but, well, fire some of the operators. Don't take it out on the students, assholes!!

    COLLEGE IS ONE LONG RIPOFF FROM THE TIME THEY SEND YOU THE FIRST TUITION STATEMENT UNTIL THE TIME THEY START CALLING BEGGING FOR MONEY!!! BEWARE!!! BEWARE DART-CRAP!!!

  85. Re:States' Rights: The 10th Amendment by Detritus · · Score: 2

    You should also read the 14th Amendment and the appropriate Supreme Court decisions (for the First Amendment see Gitlow versus New York, 1925) that prohibit the states from violating individual rights listed in the Bill of Rights. Clemson is a state institution and must abide by these decisions.

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  86. Re:This is _very_ constitutional. by Wah · · Score: 2

    so forcing people to pay for a service that they can get for free by censoring websites is constitutional? Somehow I seriously doubt that.

    That's like saying "We will no longer allow people to bath in the river that runs through campus, you must now all pay to use the community showers, thank you." If anyone isn't outraged by this, I just don't see your position.

    And I don't see why you need the redundancy of a T3 and $.11/min phone service. One of those makes the other a raw deal.

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  87. Re:winipcfg by mlc · · Score: 1

    winipcfg does not exist on NT, but ipconfig (a command-line utility that does much the same thing) does. Unless it's called ipcfg. Whatever, do dirc:\winnt\ip*.exe and figure it out.

  88. Re:constittionality. by chrislike · · Score: 1

    Just because a University receives some government money doesn't mean that every part of it belongs to the people, and it definetly doesn't mean that the instritution cannot say what their network can and cannot be used for.

    Your statement is parralel(sp) to saying "The pentagon receives federal money, so i should be able to look through top secret files, because they belong to the people." The latter statement is obviously false, so how could the previous be true?

    This'll propably get moderated down, but oh well, i had to say it.

    Chrislike

  89. What kind of free is this? by cout · · Score: 1

    It's not free (as in speech), obviously.

    And it's not (free as in beer), otherwise we'd all be drinking beer for free, just for watching the Super Bowl?

    So what kind of free is it?

  90. "Minimal" != "Zero" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    It's the principle of the thing. Would you mind an intruder in your house, if he just dropped in for a moment and didn't take anything? Indeed, I doubt that you'd tolerate that at all. Myself, I'd blow a hole in his lawless ass you could drive a truck through. Or else I'd troll the bastard.

    Anyhow, "the State", in the singular, signifies the inimical tyrrany of big, centralized governments. The term was never meant to apply to the state governments of the US, other than a few Liberal taxation-hells like Massachussetts and the like. Smaller government is better. We've been through endless legal battles over the past century and a half trying to establish the freedom of local governments to do the bidding of their citizens. Brown vs. the State Board of Education back in 1954 could very easily have been the death-knell for true freedom (as opposed to government-sponsored pseudo-"freedom" such as coerced desegregation in communities where neither race has any desire to associate with the other) in this nation, but surprisingly the light has not gone out, and I have faith that we will, in the end, prevail.

    1. Re:"Minimal" != "Zero" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But the states have become almost as bad as the Federal government. On the whole, I'm still for returning powers to the states, because it gives me the option of moving to another state when mine becomes too bad. Moving to another country isn't nearly as feasible.

    2. Re:"Minimal" != "Zero" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Look, you're making too much sense here and I'd feel like a prick if I kept trolling you, so I'm gonna drop the troll thing.


      On the whole, I'm still for returning powers to the states, because it gives me the option of moving to another state when mine becomes too bad.

      The problem is that when you look back, a hell of a lot of extremly reasonable stuff has been rammed down the throats of the states by the fed. gov. Desegregation is a good example. Yadda yadda, bussing may or may not be a real bright idea, but segregation was pretty damn bad. Right now we're reevaluating a lot of what was done in the 1950's and 1960's and we're keeping some and dumping some.

      On the same subject, you have to remember that for a lot of people, it's about as practical to leave their home state as it is for you or me to leave the USA entirely. It's possible -- hell, they can walk if they absolutely must, now that the Dred Scot decision is no longer in force -- but it's not terribly practical.

      Finally, the reason we have the Constitution rather than the Articles of Confederation is the fact that the first attempt failed. It was too decentralized. I'd be insane to suggest that we've achieved a perfect balance, but you do have to bear in mind that the Federal government limits tyrrany in the states as much as it imposes tyrranies of its own, if not more so. Now that I think of it, you did say:

      But the states have become almost as bad as the Federal government.

      . . . so maybe I'm drifting a bit off the point here :) It sounds like our differences are not all that profound, which is reasonable enough 'cause I tend to consider myself a left libertarian, or something like that . . .

    3. Re:"Minimal" != "Zero" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      OK. It was fun though. :)

  91. So where does it stop, Mr. Duckenfield? by Effugas · · Score: 5

    As I'm sure you're aware, your school sells books.

    As I'm also sure you're aware, so do alot of other places on the Internet.

    Now, however much students spend on average on phone service, I *promise* you it pales to the sheer amount of cash that flows through your campus bookstore. I also promise you that there are more than a few nervous staff members who are hearing the ads proclaiming lower prices, better service, and higher availability.

    Guess who they're coming to, Mr. Duckenfield?

    As long as you're blocking sites, you might as well eliminate bigwords.com, ecampus.com, varsitybooks.com, and (horrors!) textbooks.com. Maybe even throw Amazon into the fray--why not? It's your net to do with as you see fit, right?

    Oh. I forgot. Your department doesn't sell books. Your school does, but your personal budget doesn't depend on the sale of those books. So who cares if some other department loses out...but as soon as some as of yet non-serious threat to your income opens up, that's something completely different, I suppose?

    Since you're a college, you likely have a contract with Coca Cola. Your school saves alot of money by having that contract, which specifically prohibits Pepsi products on campus. I'd say a Pepsi web page is a Pepsi product, no? Poof, off they go. Wouldn't want to lose that contract.

    You see, Mr. Duckenfield, there's a concept out there called Content Neutrality. As long as you don't modify or inhibit the data stream along the lines of *what*'s going over them, you're free to forward whatever is handed to you.

    However, once you claim the role of gatekeeper, particularly gatekeeper to your captive fiefdom(where apparently people call collect to save money!), you claim the ability, the responsibility, and the liability to evaluate and handle any traffic which flows over those lines.

    Better catalog every service your school provides, because apparently you can't handle the competition--not even a little.

    Yours Truly,

    Dan Kaminsky
    DoxPara Research
    http://www.doxpara.com

    P.S. Yes, this is my second post on the topic. So sue me ;-)

    1. Re:So where does it stop, Mr. Duckenfield? by Tower · · Score: 1

      Ah yes, but my campus was owned by Pepsi... pepsi products everywhere, with Coke only available in one fairly independant store. This was no surprise, since they had the Knickerbocker arena renamed, too, and the new scoreboard in the fieldhouse (hockey) has more pepsi info than game info on it (but hey, it was free)...

      Maybe I'll write ITS/CIS/ACS or whatever our computing service is now called (I no longer pay attention) and ask them to ban all coke urls so that I can be assured of further infiltration by pepsi. I won't be happy until the faucets in the dorms flow with Dew!!!

      [/useless post]

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  92. Re:dialpad.. by jelwell · · Score: 2

    It does use java, but I think Java is only used to install the Program - probably a Win app. I don't think their service actually runs in Java.

    If you load the page under Linux it says something like "Could not find a binary for type Linux ELF 2.2.xx"

    There's some sort of javascript doing "sanity" checks. Anyone get around that problem?
    Joseph Elwell.

  93. Re:not too suprising...... by Brian+Feldman · · Score: 1
    Yes, you're right. We shouldn't get to hear music before we buy it because then we'd actually be an _educated_consumer_ and know that we'll enjoy what we're buying! Of course, there is also _no_ legitimate use for the MP3 formats, since MP3 was only popular because it aims to destroy the commercial music industry with piracy!

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  94. bigwords by gargle · · Score: 1

    As long as you're blocking sites, you might as well eliminate bigwords.com

    Mr. Duckenfield,

    Don't bother eliminating bigwords. They'll make your campus bookstore look good in comparison, which is just what you want.

    (I've had a bad experience with them personally, and take a look at this list of complaints.)

  95. Re:Yeh, whatever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Illiterate dickface.

  96. Re:Schools wanting monopolies? Nah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WHy not use proxies?

    or at last chance... go and slash the tires of the IT admin's car.

  97. I wouldn't be surprised.. by SpinyNorman · · Score: 2

    ..if quality of and restrictions on internet access and coputer usage soon do become an issue in choosing schools. Apparently appartment buildings in some cities are getting wired for broadband internet, and this is a deciding factor for some tenants.

    In related news...

    I just found out that I can get ADSL at home. Currently I'm getting about 26Kbps out of my 56K modem due to being so far from the CO, but it seems I'm just under the 17,500 feet limit for ADSL, and the local telco has just started offering the service. 1.5M max/384K guaranteed down and 128K up for $39.95/mo, plus $10/mo for my ISP. Not bad. :-)


  98. Re:Constitutionality? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    dude, that's not just UC Berkeley, the entire country is like that. you can get pot anywhere. why it's illegal, especially considering that alcohol IS legal, makes absolutly no sense at all.

  99. Re:Feasibility of blocking sites? by Trepidity · · Score: 2

    Well, yes, you can already configure the port used for client-to-client data transfers (the actual mp3 downloading), but the actual connection to the napster server requires you to connect to server.napster.com on port 8875, which then passes you off to another napster server on either port 4444, 5555, 6666, or 7777. With Open Source servers using any port and being from any domain, you won't be able to block them (while, now you can just block the 5 ports and/or *.napster.com)

  100. Re:Constitutionality? by Foogle · · Score: 1
    There may or may not be motivation behind this, other than money. Is it relevant? Not really, because the question was to the constitutionality of this situation. And simply put, motivation has no meaning to the constitution.

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  101. Re:Their network access is a PRIVILEGE not a RIGHT by vectro · · Score: 1

    no we don't.

    You seriously think any school would let you install a T1 in your dorm room?

    Think again my friend, we can't even install phone lines in our dorm room; instead we get the crappy 'campus voice services'... pay twice as much, get half as much.

  102. Re:Schools wanting monopolies? Nah! by lee · · Score: 3

    "These are so much monopolies as they are licenses. In my neck of the woods, Mariot pays for the rights to and provides the food service for on-campus. This benefits of a system like this typically outweigh any concequences. "


    In my college and in others, freshmen and sophomore were not allowed to live off campus. No good reason except the campus made money. A friend of mine was forced to pay for food she did not eat and a room she did not sleep in for one and a half years. She was living off campus with her boyfriend after the first semester. She tried to get out of it, but to no avail. There is no excuse for this, but colleges do this all the time. I don't think the benefits outweighed the consequences.

    The freshmen dorms were especially hell holes. Noise, filth, and abuse filled the guy's dorm. The girls dorm was only slightly better. There was no choice for freshmen but to live there.

    I was married and so they had to let me live in an apartment. When i lived in the on campus apartment they routinely tried to cut essential services during break even though i rented month to month and not by the semester. One year this nearly meant going without long distance service for december. I threatend to go to the local news and tell them that they were not going to let me call mom on christmas and that got their attention enough to relent and not cut phone service. The did cut the heat during thanksgiving break. They also did not put smoke alarms in the apartment until i called the fire marshall after a grease fire in mine. Oh, that is when i learned you can't dial 911 from on campus. I asked them to do something and they refused until i went crying to the fire marshall. Colleges are corporations and will behave as egregiously as they can get away with. My school was run by Franciscan Friars and yet they put profit over student well being and safety. Last i checked you still could not dial 911 from there.

    This is one more example of a college putting profit ahead of all else. I hope someone will do something to stop them.

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  103. Schools by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I work in an IT department at a small private Christian (the catholic type) college. We have no restrictions as far as monitoring or limiting student access to the web. Now, keep in mind, we dont include Quicktime viewers, or speakers, or the like in most of our labs, but site access is totally unrestricted. Additionally, all students have FREE Internet access via 2 10bastT connections in every dorm room! I don't think thats too bad of a deal. They are not allowed to log into our NT domain, but they can use our proxy server for internet access to their hearts content. I personally am quite surprised by how liberal of a policy this at a Christian private college, but the idea here is... "the students are over 18, and they can make their own decisions". Right now we have a T1 connection, but are planning on getting a T3 shortly. But back to the issue at hand. I think it's totally unacceptable for a school to dictate your long distance calling. If you have a legitimate way around their system, then great. If your living on campus, you're allready being screwed at every concievable corner, why not here too? This is just so unbelievably typical of higher education. It seems to me that no one realizes that students are customers! Not inmates. All this crap about not allowing opposite sex visits, and limiting internet access is totally wrong! I just don't understand where they get off. It's just so typical.

  104. University Politics by David+Mooney · · Score: 1
    Universities are notorious for internal political struggles.
    In an e-mail sent to DCIT Help Desk employees by Susan Davidson, it was stated, "The less said, the better," in regards to why dialpad.com was not accessible.
    That statement says to me that there is something shady going on behind the scenes at Clemson. Somebody is pulling some strings from up on high. Universities often make deals with major long distance carriers. Maybe Clemson was worried they wouldn't been able to meet the volume required keep their end of the deal. Pure speculation of course.
  105. Re:Schools wanting monopolies? Nah! by Geckoman · · Score: 1
    These are so much monopolies as they are licenses. In my neck of the woods, Mariot pays for the rights to and provides the food service for on-campus. This benefits of a system like this typically outweigh any concequences.

    I really do see consequences outweighing benefits on my campus. We have four dining facilities all run by the same monopoly, and as on-campus students we are forced to buy meal plans at the beginning of each semester. The cost of these plans is the same regardless of how much we eat, and we get no refunds. Under this system, there are almost no incentives for the monopoly to provide better services. Imagine the level of service we would be given, though, if the four dining centers were competing for our money!

    But back to the real issue at hand here.... I agree with you about the phone service, and I can see other potential for abuse. Consider all of the alternative long-distance services (10-10-yadda-yadda, 1-800-CALL-MOM, credit card calling cards, whatever), and imagine the fit the FCC would throw if a college or university blocked phone access to those numbers!

    There's also potential for further abuse by other companies here, as well. Imagine if all of your phone service was provided by a single carrier (either your subscribed long-distance service was provided by your local carrier or vice versa), or if that same carrier was your ISP (either through DSL or AOL after they own everything). Is it at all inconceivable that AT&T, MCI, Sprint, or any other phone company might not try to block access to any other similar service?

    In these cases, I could see your ISP/phone company blocking such access on the grounds of bandwidth, too!

    It doesn't really matter what kind of institution it is, this looks like a case of a monopoly trying to perpetuate itself by blocking access to similar services.

  106. alleged? by elegant7x · · Score: 1

    (eg. Microsoft allegedly using its monopoly is OS'es to gain an advantage in web browsers)

    Huh? microsoft was convicted, theres nothing alleged about it.

    Amber Yuan (--ell7)

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  107. Re:Constitutionality? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, but at UC Berkeley you can get pot in *every* building.

  108. Re:Constitutionality? by Linux+Socialist · · Score: 1

    So what if you have to pay for the machine yourself? Then you can put your own advertising on the case. That way you can subsidize it through the universty's marketing budget, and also sell some outside ads. A vending machine would be a great place to stick two or three ads, especially if you did some research and served the drinks that the students actually liked, and at reasonable prices.

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  109. thesimpsons.com by Gartmeister · · Score: 1

    Just use a different free isp like thesimpsons.com or netzero.

  110. Re:Feasibility of blocking sites? by Skweetis · · Score: 1

    Try traceroute, it should show you a real gateway somewhere in the list. It might be called TRACERT in NT, I don't know for sure.

  111. Re:Constitutionality? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dude, it's *all* carbonated, technicolor sugar water.
    Please pass the orange juice.

  112. Breaking news: by crayz · · Score: 2

    In a surprise move, Harvard has moved to ban all use of the "world wide web", claiming that "all these tags are wasting bandwidth that could otherwise go toward IRC chatting".

    developing...

  113. Re:Yeh, whatever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    why, hasn't hemos put out recently?

  114. Re:We have a word for this: by Wah · · Score: 2

    The university provides certain services to its students for a fee.

    You mean like Internet access? For a fee, right?

    People here seem to believe that the world owes them something -- that unlimited internet access is a basic right, which should be provided free to everyone by "them."

    I've seen this lament a number of times, and it's crap. This isn't about unlimited Internet access, it's not even about the bandwidth load. Simple reloading this /. page is worth about 5 minutes of phone time. The students paid for thier connection, and while I agree that perhaps there should be limits on the total bandwidth used per individual, I don't like to see selective enforcement of what are "good" and "bad" IP packets.

    The simple fact is that the University is trying to snuff a service that acts in an extremely competitive way (free long distance) with a service that the University gets paid a lot of money to offer through an outside company.

    I you feel Universities have a greater olbigation to their business partners than their students (who also pay money to attend school), then by all means support the university in their censorship. Help set precedents that limit consumber choice to whatever the hell they are told to choose. Break the people's will so when their ISP says "No you can't visit that site, it's a competitor of ours, Read clause #12563b of your Contract and bend over", it's taken as a matter of course.

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  115. Proxy by OctaneZ · · Score: 1

    When schools and other institutions designed to allow free access to materials do things like this, especially when students are paying for access,it is important to point out loopholes. Here at cornell students pay $80 a semester for high speed access. The Fact that the university then wants to limit it's usage is ludicrous, it it a money making project for the school. Students who know anything about computers know how to get around the Sys-Admins defenses, if we are paying for it, they should not be able to tell us what to do with our bandwidth, so long as it is legal, or even in a grey area.
    I advise other students to look for ways to use non-standard ports (in cases such as napster) or use proxys. A great site for proxy information: http://proxys4all.cgi.net/

    I Hope this helps all of the other students out there paying for high speed connections at University.

    - OctaneZ

  116. Re:not too suprising...... by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 1

    So you're basically telling me that if I make a recording to which I hold the copyright (like my infamous version of 'Greensleeves' for the kazoo) and make the decision to release it publicly, or to make it public domain (thus relinquishing copyrights on it forever) I can't distribute it over a network as an mp3?

    While not all mp3 sites are legal, not all mp3 sites are illegal either. Like any technology it can be used for both legal and illegal purposes. So far the courts have agreed.

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  117. Re:incompetent IT department? Interesting Facts... by cfreeze · · Score: 1

    After reading this in disgust once again, a few things to point out... We are a University not a College 40,000 users? Clemson reports about 18,000 students, so we have 22,000 employees here at Clemson? How about canning a few and improving some of the buildings on campus. All dorms have had network service for 2+ years? Mine has had ether jacks for less than a year, Thornhill Village. Free access? What about the new printer quota you have started this year? Not totally free wouldn't you say... All the 'student' you know, represent such a small fraction of the student population. Consider the intake of new freshmen that happen every year, your talking mostly about students that have had no access to an intranet. And another thing, if students are leaving Clemson to go to other Universities that do not provide the latest in technology, what is that saying about Clemson's undergrads? Couldn't get into a better school? What authority did you have to post on behalf of DCIT, you make Clemson sound like a second rate University.. And why should this be integrated into Clemson's existing long distance service? What does a teleco have to do with a tcp/ip stream running across our ATM link? How about trashing the LD service, any one can get cheaper rates through a national teleco. But I guess for you like alot of the "adminstration" that I have meet look for the buck.

  118. Clemson Beurocracy = Illuminadi by BMJORDAN · · Score: 4

    My name is Brandon and I'm a sophomore at Clemson University. I have used dialpad quite a lot while I've been here at school, and then one infamous Friday, I wasn't able to call my parents or family anymore.

    WHY THEY SHUT IT DOWN
    Many of you who do not live at Clemson may not know this, but the University has a monopoly on the long distance services here. They run businesses such as Tiger Tel whose profits pay for different campus services. This is the single reason for their shutting Dialpad down. There have been other excuses produced by the University such as "evaluating the legal and academic nature of the site." First of all, there is NO clause in the terms of use for the Clemson network that call for "strictly acedemic use," despite the fact that Dialpad is indeed used for academic purposes. Secondly, there is NO legal question concerning Dialpad. The Clemson network has made no effort to block illegal sites in the past, illegal pornography, illegal pirating, etc. And of course, Dialpad doesn't even begin to rival these sites in its illicit nature.

    THEY DON'T WANT US TO KNOW
    Not only has Clemson made a rather socialist move by blocking Dialpad to maintain their monopoly over long distance service, they also betrayed the trust of their student body. The same Friday that Dialpad access was terminated, an email went out to all the employees of the computer help desk that read:

    "Access to the dialpad.com website has been blocked until the university can access the situation. We are studying the impact of Dialpad's exploding use on our Internet connection. The Internet connection exists for academic use."

    That's all it said. That's all anyone at the University knew for the longest time. And of course the bandwidth problem was quoted as "negligible" in THE TIGER. So what was going on? Many students here would call DCIT, (Department of Communications and Information Technology, here at Clemson) and ask what was going on. I myself called on multiple occasions. Each time I was given a different reason. At first it was that they were "assessing the impact on the university," then it was "it's affecting the bandwidth," then "it's only for academic use." Finally, I was referred to the curator of the Help Desk. I wanted to know who had issued the decision to block Dialpad. She absolutely refused to tell me, citing that she was "not allowed to distribute that information."--I told her it sounded like we were being blocked by the illuminadi. This does not sound like a University that supports the will of its students, nor is it conducive to good student relations. The computer department made no effort to inform students of their decision, and conversely tried to cover it up.

    WHAT STUDENTS CAN DO ABOUT IT
    Whereas DCIT may do a good job of keeping secrets, they do a sorry job of blocking Dialpad. There is a simple click and type process that any student at Clemson can use to get Dialpad back on their browsers as if it had never been blocked. Please visit DownWithDCIT for simple and very detailed instructions on how to do this. Also, take other's advice and mail the President of the University at:

    President JAMES F. BARKER,
    210 Highland Drive
    Clemson, SC 29631
    Telephone: (864) 654-6066

    1. Re:Clemson Beurocracy = Illuminadi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Read a dictionary.

  119. Re:incompetent IT department? Interesting Facts... by cfreeze · · Score: 1

    After reading this in disgust once again, a few things to point out...

    We are a University not a College

    40,000 users? Clemson reports about 18,000 students, so we have 22,000 employees here at Clemson? How about canning a few and improving some of the buildings on campus.

    All dorms have had network service for 2+ years? Mine has had ether jacks for less than a year, Thornhill Village.

    Free access? What about the new printer quota you have started this year? Not totally free wouldn't you say...

    All the 'student' you know, represent such a small fraction of the student population. Consider the intake of new freshmen that happen every year, your talking mostly about students that have had no access to an intranet.

    And another thing, if students are leaving Clemson to go to other Universities that do not provide the latest in technology, what is that saying about Clemson's undergrads? Couldn't get into a better school? What authority did you have to post on behalf of DCIT, you make Clemson sound like a second rate University..

    And why should this be integrated into Clemson's existing long distance service? What does a teleco have to do with a tcp/ip stream running across our ATM link?

    How about trashing the LD service, any one can get cheaper rates through a national teleco. But I guess for you like alot of the "adminstration" that I have meet look for the buck.

  120. I'm afraid you are an idiot by elegant7x · · Score: 1

    IP phonecalls use less bandwidth then web browsing, and don't cost the univercity anything. They certanly use less bandwidth then a switched 64kbits/sec phone call. And the students are paying for phonecalls.

    Amber Yuan (--ell7)

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  121. Schools wanting monopolies? Nah! by Geckoman · · Score: 3

    Does it really seem so unbelievable that a university would want a monopoly? Of course not!

    Universities already have forced monopolies in on-campus housing and on-campus food service in most places (although admittedly this isn't universal), and many universities seem to be pretty intent on keeping them.

    Monopolies are great business for the institutions that have them, and I'm sure that Clemson (and most other colleges) would love to keep theirs. In this case, online long-distance probably isn't widely used yet, but if they quash it now while there aren't many people to complain, then it'll be easier than trying to stop everyone from using it a few years from now.

    1. Re:Schools wanting monopolies? Nah! by Tower · · Score: 2

      Actually, many college phones don't allow you to dial the 10-10 #s, since they charge back to the dialing number, which resolves to the main PBX(or whatever) # of the college (at RPI, for example, all outgoing calls appear to be coming from 276-6000 (I had someone trace my call when I was talking to him...). At one point, these numbers weren't disabled, and some calls were made without the proper people getting billed... guess the school picked up the tab for that one. 1-800 numbers I can't see being blocked, but the 10-10 numbers certainly can be and are (and I don't really disagree with that).

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    2. Re:Schools wanting monopolies? Nah! by Kwikymart · · Score: 1

      hey, the more the marier

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    3. Re:Schools wanting monopolies? Nah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      But back to the real issue at hand here.... I agree with you about the phone service, and I can see other potential for abuse. Consider all of the alternative long-distance services (10-10-yadda-yadda, 1-800-CALL-MOM, credit card calling cards, whatever), and imagine the fit the FCC would throw if a college or university blocked phone access to those numbers!

      Just for the records, the University of New Hampshire reduced the number of outgoing lines capable of calling 1-800 about two years ago. No, calling cards were not illegal, only their usefulness was very limited with 800 lines busy most of the time.

      I don't know about the situation now. I don't think it changed.
    4. Re:Schools wanting monopolies? Nah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let it be known that most universities (in my experience) DO block access to the various competing long-distance services. Dialing 10-10-321 from Clarkson University, in Potsdam, NY won't connect you to anything. (By the way, I'd like to thank the staff of The Clarkson School program for providing a suitably hellish experience, from the unchecked violent behavior and vandalism to the rather rampant homophobia... And there's nothing like having the office fail to schedule their mandatory academic advising sessions with you and then decide you need psychiatric help when your grades drop to hell and you can't stand the place any longer..)

      Anyhow, there's a somewhat logical reason for all of this. Most dorm rooms share a single line between two students. Who decides who foots the bill from a 'standard' long distance service? This is why most campus long distance services are PIN-based. As a happy side effect, the university gets to partner up with a phone company and enjoy the various profits and perqs of the deal.

      I'm currently a student at SIU - Edwardsville, and they've found a relatively logical solution. You can activate a second line into a room to be used as your private phone line (which is an added bonus, and as such it's logical to charge for it, and IMHO, the price isn't outrageous), and you can activate whatever long distance service you want with it. Personally, I'm just using a Sprint PCS phone for long distance, and bypassing most of the BS while gaining portability. It'd be nice if the 1.9GHz signals could make it out of the building, though- I have to hold my head against the window or freeze my butt off every time I want to make a call.

    5. Re:Schools wanting monopolies? Nah! by rotten_ · · Score: 4

      Quote: Universities already have forced monopolies in on-campus housing and on-campus food service in most places (although admittedly this isn't universal), and many universities seem to be pretty intent on keeping them.

      These are so much monopolies as they are licenses. In my neck of the woods, Mariot pays for the rights to and provides the food service for on-campus. This benefits of a system like this typically outweigh any concequences. It is really done because for a simple reason: limited resources. You can't have a 25 McDonalds on Campus--it'd take up too much space and would be obtrusive. Plus real estate cost money, and a lot of it.

      The issue of phone service is entirely different. We are talking about unobstrusive resources (bandwidth is cheap! REALLY CHEAP!) that are not defined or finite. If the students are using too much bandwidth, then get more bandwidth. Simple problem with a simple solution. If this means that they have to charge a slight 'access fee' (I'm thinking like $5 a student per quarter) for campus internet then so be it. $5 x 5000 (students) / 3 (months in a quarter) = > $8000 per month to by more bandwidth. That will get you roughly 5-10 more T1's, or perhaps get you to the budget for a T3, etc.

      So what we have here is a case of an easy to finance, inexpensive service that is attractive and in demand by students vs. a campus-run probably profitable service that may suffer. It is not in the student's best interest to block the service and such restrictions should be eliminted.

      I haven't heard of any other campuses that don't have their own long distance service banning such services, but perhaps I just haven't hear of them.

      -K

    6. Re:Schools wanting monopolies? Nah! by Foxbird · · Score: 1

      The same lies in truth here, except you notice it a bit more when you're nitpicky like I am. Monopolies exist all around my college.

      We curently are paying out $58.50 in local telephone access. I remember being able to get a phone line, with long distance service, and a few options for about $20.00. In fact, I believe my family back home still has that line and is using it to get on the internet. So needless to say, they're making a profit, and there's not much you can do about it if you want to complain. Allthough we CAN dial 911 from on campus, you have to remember to dial a 9 before it. (Imagine how furstrating.. dialing 911, and not getting anywhere because you didn't dial 9911!).

      In addition to a local phone service charge, we have various other charges for services we might not even consider using. Services, some of us didn't even know existed! We have a health center, which costs us an arm and a leg (81.50 is a lot if you're pyaing this through loans, finnancial aid, and you're own pocket). There's a publication fee for our student newspaper that's marketed as free (can you sue for this? :) ), there's a transit fee (for buses I don't ride), student center fees, refurbishing fees for various places that need fixing around campus (I didn't know we had to pay for that directly!), and even a fee to have an account with the cashier's office! (Now that's interesting). Not to mention we're being charged $45 a semester in a 'computer fee' which is basically a fee to use the lab (according to the literature they mailed when I was still in high school the labs were free use labs. Ha!)

      To get to the computer oriented side of things is slightly different. I'm not sure how many college students out there are getting 'free' internet access. As it stands my university is charging $80 a semester for access to 'Resnet'. Considering the alternative of dialing out through the phone system here (which only gets up to about 36.6 if you're lucky), it's heaven. 10Mb link to a hub shared by your floor, which has a 100Mb link to the building switch, and another 100Mb link to the switch for the area, which all ends up back at 'smdfhub' which appearently is a really nice piece of equipment. $80 is a monopoly I suppose I can live with, but I can't help but wonder what kind of service I can really get in Raleigh for $80 ;)

      The dorms up here aren't quite as bad as have been described, but then again, there are so many scattered all about it's hard to have seen them all. Dorms here usually come in two flavors 'Regular' and 'Premium' (or 'Slum' and 'Ritz' as the students call them). Premium dorms have air and are usually smaller. Regular dorms are just a bed, desk, and electricity (running water is down the hall). Did I mentioned that unless you have a car and are within a certain distance of campus, you HAVE to live in a dorm, frat house, or sponsored apartment complex? The conditions really aren't as bad as the name reflects, but there are a few residence halls around here that need some work done. Two in particular I know of are long hallways strewn with the occasional pizza box, half naked people wandering around between the shared bathroom and their room, and heaters that love to 'clank' and heat the room even when off.

      The food is about the same. You pay a flat rate, get 'x' meals a week and if you don't use them all.. oh well. The upside to that is that we have a Chic-fil-A on campus, taco bell, and a small restaraunt called 'The Wolve's Den' at which you can use those meal plans toward your purchase (like 3.50 will by a real dinner).

      To sum things up: Colleges have a monopoly. Not only do colleges take your money and then tell you what to do, but they charge you for just about everything labeled 'free'. If they were to can the efforts of dialpad.com and friends a lot of students would be relatively upset here. They already own a monopoly on everything else, why keep it up? I always thought competition was a good thing for everybody?

      Perhaps this is priming the students here for the inevitable? You will pay for stuff you don't use or never see (taxes), you will pay us to teach you how WE think you should be taught (government), and we will keep you from spending your money anywhere else (monopolies)...

      Just a thought.

      - Foxbird

    7. Re:Schools wanting monopolies? Nah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hey, the more the marier


      Typical College Student!

    8. Re:Schools wanting monopolies? Nah! by mstyne · · Score: 1

      I could EASILY see my school making dialpad.com and phone4free.com inacessible. This is not an issue of bandwidth, this is an issue of money. Fortunately, for the time being I still have this very nice service available to me so I can call my girlfriend and tell her (occasionally) to calm the hell down.

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  122. When I was a boy, we had to use a red box... by frobnoid · · Score: 1

    When I was a boy, we had to use a red box if we wanted to get free long distance. They didn't have any of this fancy IP telephony stuff!

  123. easy workaround for this problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    seriously, why don't the students get a 56k (or 33.6k) for almost no money these days and do stuff like dialpad.com over a local free ISP/phone such as that Simpson's thing? You then get the benefit of screwing the telco by using their lines....:) Roland

  124. Re:Feasibility of blocking sites? by matthewg · · Score: 1

    Let me guess - you work for Mindcraft? ;)

  125. Constitutionality? by mTor · · Score: 0

    This is completely unconstitutional. Everyone should have a freedom of choice. Entering a dormitory is not the same as entering a prison. Just because university is loosing a contract (which is basically a legalized monopoly) does not mean that it can ban other choices?

    A side note... Has anyone noticed Coke's predominance at many universities? For example, at my University you will not be able to buy Pepsi or any other Pepsi products (i.e. Mountain Dew which we all love ;-) enywhere on campus. That pisses me more off than the phone... hehe



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    1. Re:Constitutionality? by polyiguana · · Score: 1

      Amazingly, UC Berkeley is neither a Coke or Pepsi school. Each department of the university makes their ownract. For instance, the dorms and on campus restaurants picked Coke, but Pepsi is sold at vending machines in the math department and CS building.

    2. Re:Constitutionality? by Foogle · · Score: 1
      Or you can have it both ways: You can have your own ads on the machine and get a soft-drink company to pay for it.

      UMass Amherst (and I imagine other large universities) has their own line of Coke machines with the UMass logo on it. Coke foots the bill and the University gets free advertisements. Now why would they want to change that situation?

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    3. Re:Constitutionality? by yotaku · · Score: 1

      Here at UCI, we get pepsi in the dorm food places. But then, we have no coke. But you know, thats just like anywhere you eat. How many places do you know that offer coke and pepsi?

    4. Re:Constitutionality? by Lord+of+the+Files · · Score: 2

      Universities are generally considered private businesses. They are not generally affected by consitutional issues that affect the government. In addition, the constitution does not guarantee you freedom of choice. Currently there are a number of laws against monopolies, because currently we do not believe in laiz faire. However 100 years ago we did, and many monopolies existed, perfectly legally. This is not a consitutional issue, it's simply a matter of current laws, and doesn't affect universities anyway.

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    5. Re:Constitutionality? by DaveHowe · · Score: 3

      This is completely unconstitutional. Everyone should have a freedom of choice. Entering a dormitory is not the same as entering a prison. Just because university is loosing a contract (which is basically a legalized monopoly) does not mean that it can ban other choices?
      I doubt it - if the university chooses to provide one service (web access) but not another (free long-distance phones) you can't really scream that you are being denied a basic right - particularly as free long-distance phones are uncommon in the normal setup.
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    6. Re:Constitutionality? by Foogle · · Score: 2
      Yes this is terrible, but don't start dragging the constitutions name around; it has nothing to do with the constitution. All it has to do with is a lousy long-distance policy in an institution. If people hate the policy, they'll let it be known and the University will either lose students (and money to be raised from students) or they'll change the policy.

      As for Coke/Pepsi, that's even more ridiculous. Do you really expect a University to go out and get vending machines from *every* company? It's not like they're saying "Hey, you can't have Mountain Dew on campus", it's just that they won't sell it to you. It's a manageability issue more than anything else.

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    7. Re:Constitutionality? by acacia · · Score: 1

      NOT FREE UNTIL YOU GET INTO THE REAL WORLD!!! That is a joke if there ever was one... The freedom that you enjoy as a student is far superior to the "freedom" that you have as a member of the working world. That is no BS. When I was at Purdue, some of the crap that the administration pulled was fsck'ing annoying, but once you get into the real world, it only gets worse. Now I treasure my time at Purdue. The only exception to this is the way that the administration has cracked down on the greek system. I have become very upset with the way that Purdue handles the greek system (I was on the local board for Acacia after I left school) and as a result they will never see a penny of alumnus money from me until they change their ways. The fact is that money makes the world go round. College is a mild intro to this. The key thing, though, is that you have the power to abstain from perpetuating the sick system that is in place right now. GO VOTE!!! Check out the candidates and TALK to them. Let them know that you are holding them accountable for their actions. Money buys marketing, but money does not buy a vote at the poll. Inform your friends and family about policy. Inform yourself. The internet is a great way to reach a lot of people, but we still need to be heard and seen at the polls. The only bad thing about a community like slashdot is that it becomes very insular, in that we don't hear the opinions of others who are either not as well informed or do not have the benefit of our collective experience. These persons vote too (on average, 50% of the time) and need to be educated on issues that affect them, whether they know it or not. The real issue is whether we as a group are willing to step up and take the responsibility to be leaders and visionaries, not just clones who despise the opression we see around us. See you at the polls.

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    8. Re:Constitutionality? by QuantumET · · Score: 1

      Well, the university owns their network, so, yes, they can perfectly well block whatever sites they feel like, legally. Especially since this university seems to be a private one.

      This doesn't mean they should, of course, and in this case I'd disagree with them. How about banning NetMeeting because it does the same thing (albeit both ends need a computer, instead of just one as in the case of DialPad, etc)

      As to the Coke bit, some universities are the reverse... I went to visit UCLA, and there isn't a coke machine on campus. It's all pepsi. That annoyed me a great deal, as well. ;-)

    9. Re:Constitutionality? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So. the. fsck. what? What motivation do you prefer to self-interest? The motivation to gain power over others? The motivation to pour hot grits down Natalie Portmans' pants? Do you REALLY EVER see altruism as a reason for anyones actions, unless it is to look good to someone else(i.e.: to get laid)? The whole argument "they're only doing it to make money" should be disallowed and those who spew it as evidence of evil intent should be reprogrammed. Dr.G "If an infinite number of monkies were placed at an infinite number of computer keyboards, they would all eventually be connected to AOL."

    10. Re:Constitutionality? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So. the. fsck. what?
      What motivation do you prefer to self-interest? The motivation to gain power over others? The motivation to pour hot grits down Natalie Portmans' pants? Do you REALLY EVER see altruism as a reason for anyones actions, unless it is to look good to someone else(i.e.: to get laid)?
      The whole argument "they're only doing it to make money" should be disallowed and those who spew it as evidence of evil intent should be reprogrammed.
      Dr.G

      "If an infinite number of monkies were placed at an infinite number of computer keyboards, they would all eventually be connected to AOL."

    11. Re:Constitutionality? by Elwood+Blues · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, but this completely constitutional. Most universities have extensive "Rules of Access" you agree to when you plug your computer into their ethernet, including the right to choose the sites you have access to. Theoretically, they could limit their students to just having access to academic sites, but I bet that would drive students off grounds(in the manner of that survey of UCLA students living on grounds for the ethernet).

      I'm sure student outcry and public attention to this issue will cause a reversal. And re: Coke or Pepsi, I'm fortunate enough to go to a University that doesn't limit Internet access, or my opportunity to purchase either soda. Coke and Pepsi machines live in harmony (and usually next to each other) at the University of Virginia.
    12. Re:Constitutionality? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's all about Pepsi here are the University of Manitoba, Canada. They own us.

    13. Re:Constitutionality? by whitey07 · · Score: 1

      Sorry to burst your bubble but state supported schools are subject to every rule and regulation that states are as they are public institutions. Have a nice day

    14. Re:Constitutionality? by jmp100 · · Score: 1
      It's like that everywhere. You can't get both Coke AND Pepsi at any restaurant, movie theatre, etc. because the establishment has to sign a monopoly contract saying that they will ONLY buy stuff which is bottled by corporation X. (And most if not all non-Coke, non-Pepsi soft drinks are actually bottled either by Coca-Cola or Pepsi.) This is made easier by the fact that many RESTAURANTS are even owned by either Coke or Pepsi (for example, Kentucky Fried Chicken is a subsidiary of Pepsi). This also extends to the Fritos and other miscellaneous snack foods you eat (Frito-Lay is under Pepsi, if I remember correctly). Just look at these products - many of them have a bunch of popular food item labels stamped in miniature somewhere on their own labels, and either Coke or Pepsi will be at the top of them all.

      The only real exception I can remember seeing is with vending machines. You may not commonly see Coke and Pepsi in the same vending machine, but if there are two vending machines next to each other, one will usually have Coke and the other Pepsi.

    15. Re:Constitutionality? by pb · · Score: 2

      Well, this is definitely unfair. We aren't supposed to lose our rights after we enter the schoolhouse gate, but I guess things change.

      Universities are big business nowadays. I'm glad that at least one company has been able to provide competing phone service here at NCSU, but by and large we don't have that many choices, AT&T enjoys a virtual monopoly here, and I'd hate to see our few bad choices get limited even further.

      ...and I'll trade campuses with you. My university switched to Pepsi, and I can't stand it. However, getting Coke from off campus is cheaper than buying Pepsi on campus, and of course Coke is far superior... :)
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    16. Re:Constitutionality? by Money__ · · Score: 1

      In light of your comments regarding the constitution you couldn't be more wrong. I think you should put down the huka and beer-bong and actually attend a class.
      _________________________

    17. Re:Constitutionality? by elegant7x · · Score: 2

      Unfortunately, private organizations do not need to grant you the same rights when using their services that the government does. So the constitution dos not apply here. One would think that a university would want to protect the constitutional rights of its students though; free speech is usually protected on campuses. I guess this particular university's commitment to individual freedoms ends at the business office though.

      Amber Yuan (--ell7)

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    18. Re:Constitutionality? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pepsi is owned by the mormon church. Down with Joesph Smith and his followers.

    19. Re:Constitutionality? by m3000 · · Score: 1

      The constitution does not give you unlimited freedom of choice. I can't choose to kill someone and then claim it's protected by the constitution.

      On the Coke sidenote, my old school district had some kind of deal with Coca-Cola, and so there was several Coke machines scattered throughout the campus. And yes, this was public school. I prefer Pepsi, but Coke wasnt' too bad. They even told us the money they made from it (and I hope they made some considering it was a dollar for a 20 ounce bottle) would go to technology. Well, when I was there I sure didn't see any new technology. We still had crappy computers. Anyways, at my new school they have banned schools in the county from selling caffinated products like Coke/Pepsi/Jolt (hehe). And at both schools, they've had deals with pizza companies (little ceasers at the first one, now it's Dominoes) to provide pizza for lunch. So you can rest easy knowing that commercialism is alive and rampent in today's public schools. : )

    20. Re:Constitutionality? by Jamshid666 · · Score: 1

      Actually, as far as freedom of choice, if you don't like the school you're attending, you do have the choice to leave that school and transfer somewhere else. If enough students transferred out of a particular school, the adminsitration would have no choice but to revise their policies to keep the cash coming in.

    21. Re:Constitutionality? by Linux+Socialist · · Score: 1

      All they have to do is not sign an exclusive agreement contract and hire someone to man the machines for them. If they subcontrct out the whole thing they could have Coke and Pepsi products in the same machine with no problems. Their is no law against selling competing products from the same vending machine.

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    22. Re:Constitutionality? by Mister+Attack · · Score: 2
      I guess things change

      No, they don't. That's the problem. Ever since I've been going to school, I've been losing my rights at the schoolhouse door. No talking out of turn. No foul language. No hats. No drinking, even off-campus. No girls in the guys' dorms, and vice versa. I could go on, but you get the point. This isn't a change - this is the status quo. At least now that I'm in college things are getting a little better. The point is, you're not really free until you get to the Real World.

      Coke is far superior

      No argument there. Of course, I'd still rather have a Sobe, but...

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  126. WTF is up with you and Don Knotts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think we've all had just a little too much of your bullshit.

    He's a lousy actor, and Disney is an evil company. Need I say more.

    Moderators, do your duty to Slashdot and Malda.

  127. Re:constittionality. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Obviously, you've never heard of the Freedom Of Information Act...

  128. Re:And if that doesn't work...! by / · · Score: 2

    No, no, no...if more responsible public officials got ten thousand irate telephone calls every time they did something incredibly stupid, such as blocking internet sites, they'd learn.

    By all means, call him all you want at the office, but I will continue to assert that he deserves a modicum of privacy in his own home.

    Yes, you can get his number out of the phonebook. Heck, you can even get it online. But should the response be "Here's his number; go hammer him!"? Must you employ massive retaliation where other methods have not yet been used and where there's no reason to suspect they won't be effective?

    This argument has taken me where I didn't plan to venture, I must admit, since I'm usually the asshole who's fomenting the masses and preaching civil disobedience. By all means, use the system (and subvert the dominant paradigm), but do it responsibly where appropriate (and this is such an instance).

    If you want to get back at a University policy, you don't verbally assault its president. You simply aim the media's spotlight at the policy. Just look at the infamous water buffalo affair at UPenn, for example -- colleges and universities simply cannot withstand proper scrutiny. Go about it that way -- if you have to hammer someone, let it be Rupert Murdoch and his ilk.

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  129. What is this?!?!? by tomcrooze · · Score: 1

    This is terrible. I mean, if the Internet provides such a service to the world, then why must it be silenced by the university? The Internet's purpose is to disseminate information, and Dialpad is part of this information.

    I think that the university is overly greedy and needs to open their minds up a little about this, because if I offer free Internet radio on the Internet, then why doesn't the university block my website so that the students have listen to university radio???

    Something needs to be done about this, because this is a clear violation of the 1st amendment.

    1. Re:What is this?!?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you go to Clemson?

      THEN SHUT THE FUCK UP

  130. Re:Consider discount calling card services by ASM · · Score: 1

    My parents got a 7 cents/min 800 number, so I could call them any time, anywhere-including campus. since I don't make any other long distance calls, that works out great -except dad is always complaining that I call too much...

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  131. SpeakFreely by bradipo · · Score: 1

    While SpeakFreely isn't the exact type of service that DialPad offers, it is a very nice implementation of voice over IP. The only down side to this is that both parties must be online. It runs on most UN*X, Linux and Windows. See http://www.speakfreely.org/ for all the nitty gritty.

  132. How Ironic by Insanik · · Score: 1

    From a comment in the iCrave TV article.

    >There goes online TV... now let's hope no one goes after Dialpad.com
    >-FweE-

    Just thought it was interesting.

  133. Re:And if that doesn't work...! by |deity| · · Score: 1
    Yes we should use massive retaliation. I'm a college student and colleges love to screw students out of any money that they can. Example my college sold twice the number of parking spaces as were avaliable then blamed the parking problems on the students. This guy is going to get what he deserves.

    No one is going to make death threats over phone service but haveing people calling him from all over the country telling him what a bone head he is will be good for him.

    If he wants privacy he will have an unlisted and private line for home use. Which I am quite sure is the case.

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  134. Bandwidth??? by DaveHowe · · Score: 2

    This does't make sense to me - surely, if they block the site, all they can determine is how many failed connects there were. If they DON'T block it, they can use packet-checking software to generate a bandwidth_used/time graph for real-world conditions. This smells very heavily of financial interests.
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    1. Re:Bandwidth??? by DaveHowe · · Score: 2
      X = Bandwidth now
      Y = Bandwidth once they block dialpad

      where X and Y both vary wildly and unprecictably

      X - Y = Bandwidth due to dialpad
      go for it - If I get to pick the points on the graph where you measure x and y, I can prove Dialpad uses negative bandwidth :+)
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    2. Re:Bandwidth??? by Smack · · Score: 2

      Here's their thinking:

      X = Bandwidth now
      Y = Bandwidth once they block dialpad

      X - Y = Bandwidth due to dialpad

      Pretty simplistic, but a lot of decisions are based on numbers determined by methods faultier than these.

  135. Suck her sh*t out of her *ss quickly. I-time! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This reminds me of the congress-woman who thinks Internet usage is an evil-unacademic endeavor, which should be banned. Does she not know this keeps the students at the University from learning how to LIVE in the 21st century.... You must learn how the Internet works at all to be competetive, or else you will be stuck with a government job for sure. I guess that is the plan here.

  136. Re:not too suprising...... by SteelAngel · · Score: 1

    Not allowing MP3's on the network? You should come down here to Thornhill, we have a few servers running on the subnet. I doubt any one on the higher ups at Clemson comes to Slashdot, remember, we run on a damn Microsoft Backoffice server over the network. When I asked DCIT why isn't the network running on a stable system, such as Digital Unix (my undergraduate institution, WPI, ran this way) the only answer I got was "We just don't". That's technical incompetence in my book. I'm surprised that DCIT even know was a website is. Don't get me started on that damn authorization thing, either. Invasion of privacy in my book. I guess next year we'll be looking at a campus-wide ban on sites that the DCIT consider offensive. Luckily I'll be living in Douthit Hills then ;) Clemson DCIT == Big Brother

  137. Consider discount calling card services by Binar1 · · Score: 2

    Any students threatened by such a policy should notify the administration that discount calling card services can be used to the same effect - that is, to avoid the usually high-rate long distance charges brought on university students. If the university is going to threaten net long distance service, the university should be threatened by a mass boycot of the existing service with calling cards, which would, in all liklihood, be more detremental to the university due to the simple fact that many students have a computer capable enough for long distance, but all the capablity for calling card service. My university charges 25+ cents a minute, whereas the local service in the town is 12 cents and my calling card is 8 cents.

    1. Re:Consider discount calling card services by Wire+Head · · Score: 1

      Any students threatened by such a policy should notify the administration that discount calling card services can be used to the same effect...

      Heads up on that one- I was an Over the Road truck driver for many years, payphone providers regularly block access to the 1-800 numbers used to connect to discount calling cards. It would be trivial for the campii (sp?) to do the same thing.

      WireHead

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    2. Re:Consider discount calling card services by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah right...complaining to the FCC about a single pay phone not providing equal access will REALLY get their attention...That link you provided is just a bunch of text, btw...oh, sure, I'll download that buggy piece of windows crap Ghostview and spend an hour reading FAQ's and figuring out how to use the software to make it read the text I've cut and pasted. Much better to carry an eyedropper of HCl, drop some in the coin slot, and paste a laserprinted sticker saying, "EQUAL ACCESS NOW" over the slot so that no more coins can be added. Nobody listens to the BBB complaints.

    3. Re:Consider discount calling card services by The+Good+Reverend · · Score: 2

      My university charges 25+ cents a minute

      For what? Sex? If my university (UC Santa Cruz) charged that much for long distance, there'd be riots. Our phone network doesn't allow for any 10-10-xxx numbers, but calling cards are ok, but most students use the university long distance, because it's competitive (we have a "deal" with MCI, but the rates aren't bad).


      The Good Reverend

    4. Re:Consider discount calling card services by hawk · · Score: 2

      Then you chose the wrong university. At Iowa State, you didn't get a choice, but you got the university rate--10c/minute, 24/7. Yes, better is available now, but it wasn't at the time the contract was signed, and the contract is probably up soon (but I'm gone).

    5. Re:Consider discount calling card services by vectro · · Score: 1

      Greetings from Merrill!

      What do you mean 'the rates aren't bad'? They charge 15 cents a minute during the day and 10.5 at night... Sprint offers 10 cents during the day and 5 at night, and AT&T offers 7 cents a minute 24x7.

      You can't call something that is TWICE the going rate compeditive. Perhaps they were at some point in the past, but rates have been dropping and SCS hasn't kept up.

    6. Re:Consider discount calling card services by Lord+of+the+Files · · Score: 1

      University of Maryland has started charging rather high "switching fees" every time you use a calling card.

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  138. Red Box by James+T+Ensor · · Score: 1

    I used to go to rutgers. They charged 16 cents a minute for long distance, while legit carriers were charging 5-10 cents a minute. I was spending 200 a month to talk to my girlfriend. One time I complained, and they yelled at me. So then I wrote a letter to the paper, and was yelled at some more. I said "fine, I wont use your stupid phone anymore." Then I dug out the dusty old tape recorder I had orginally been given to tape class lectures(hah). Dropped a few quarters in the phone, taped the tones, and VOILA! Unlimited calling for only 5 cents a call from all the payphones all over the dorm.(if you don't know what the 5 cents was for, you shouldn't be doing this.) Sometimes when people are being assholes, its better to go AROUND them then THROUGH them.

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  139. Re:We have a word for this: by bradleyjg · · Score: 1

    "I you feel Universities have a greater olbigation to their business partners than their students (who also pay money to attend school), then by all means support the university in their censorship. Help set precedents that limit consumber choice to whatever the hell they are told to choose. Break the people's will so when their ISP says "No you can't visit that site, it's a competitor of ours, Read clause #12563b of your Contract and bend over", it's taken as a matter of course."
    This is the great thing about capitalism - if you don't like the service one ISP (or school) provides there are thousands of others to choose from. My school for example doesn't block this service. If students feel strongly about this issue they will consider it when selecting a school and Clemson will lose money.

  140. Re:And if that doesn't work...! by / · · Score: 2

    Well, he's a university president and that means that if he's typical, he gets his university mansion residence -- which suffices as both his official address and his residential address.

    Yes, his address is listed on the clemson server and it's even listed in the phone book, and even if it weren't either of those two things, someone with enough dedication could dig it up somehow. But still, you probably shouldn't make it so easy for the undedicated but still obnoxious persons to get ahold of it (especially his home phone number). The risk is largely ephemeral, however, and you can consider my post as mostly humorous (as it was intended).

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  141. Dangerous by jconley · · Score: 1
    This is a dangerous precedent. Protecting "standard" methods of communication/media is the first step to destorying progress. If Clemson is allowed to do this, what steps can other organizations take to protect their interests??

    Jordan

  142. Live by the market, die by the market. by alecto · · Score: 1

    This sort of thing will fly for a short while, until most students become cynical enough to realize that academe is competing for students in a market.

    Students can help fix these kinds of problems by speaking out, and letting the coveted first-time freshmen find schools that don't perform Gestapo monitoring on their campus networks.

    Clemson censors? Write to the administators at South Carolina State and see what they do before you apply for admission at either one. If bright students avoid schools that censor, they'll either stop or see their average ACT score and other measurable metrics go down the tubes.

  143. Re:GET A SENSE OF HUMOR by Krimsen · · Score: 1

    Get a sense of humor! This was supposed to be funny...

  144. No, you should not do this, and here's why!!! by Magic+Snail · · Score: 5

    Sheesh I can't believe it. What are we turning into, a mob? Think logically, folks. You don't go to the university. You have no connection to it. Furthermore, there is absolutely nothing wrong with what the IT department has done (read my other post: http://slashdot.org/comme nts.pl?sid=00/01/29/1837209&cid=78). And yet someone says, "Hey, let's spam the President of the school" (albeit through snail mail) and everyone jumps aboard, moderating his points up to 5?!!

    This is ridiculous. You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

    1. Re:No, you should not do this, and here's why!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The annexation of Tibet was completely legal, and ratified by the proper Chinese representative bodies. The Myanmar government is as well completely legal. I hate when people equate "legal" with "right" or "okay in my book" or "moral".

    2. Re:No, you should not do this, and here's why!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, you're right, man...we should really all go home and watch TV, instead of changing the world into a better place by letting the people in charge know that they screwed up. This kind of "mob" action, as you call it, reeks of the common people, who have no financial interest in the subject at hand, making their voices heard. I mean, hell, none of us live in Myanmar or Tibet or any other of those repressed nations, so we shouldn't care one bit about those people. We should just all be content to vote in the elections that elect the Governor who appoints the University President who hires the IT Director who implements policy, and if we don't like it, we can go to Russia.

    3. Re:No, you should not do this, and here's why!!! by Alex+Pennace · · Score: 1

      Good idea, Magic Snail! When they come for you, we won't say anything because it doesn't involve us.

    4. Re:No, you should not do this, and here's why!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Think logically, folks. You don't go to the university. You have no connection to it.

      I don't go to the school, but my tax dollars certainly support it. (I'm a SC resident) I believe that gives me a right to complain when they do something I strongly disagree with.

  145. *vomit* by Ater · · Score: 1

    The finances of Clemson Telecommunications were also considered by Duckenfield.
    "The University might see a significant drop in its telephone revenues," stated Duckenfield.

    "We'd love for it to be free too, so we have no ulterior motive in blocking dialpad.com or similar sites," said Duckenfield.


    So I guess all that money coming from tuitions and donations isn't enough? They also have to gouge students on long distance calls and go out of their way to block off free phone services available on the network service that students pay for themselves? I'm sorry, but I clearly see an ulterior motive here :P

    1. Re:*vomit* by SPautz · · Score: 1

      I don't buy their revenues BS either....
      All over campus you see booths set up giving away 'free' tshirts and stuff. all you have to do is sell your soul to a long distance company!

      the university doesn't seem to mind these, even though they reach just about anyone who goes to class, and can easily take a lot more money from the long distance thingy they run.

  146. (OT) winntcfg by Wah · · Score: 1

    winipcfg does not exist on NT,

    yes it does, it's called winntcfg (IIRC) and is in the Resource pack (or whatever they called the pack of useful stuff that costs extra), although you can find it on the 'net with a bit of googling.

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  147. Re:constittionality. by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

    Yes but if the university receives taxpayer dollars, it is a public institution and, hence, their network belongs to the people.

    Said people being the taxpayers. Clemson AFAIK is a state supported land grant university. Its administrators are probably state appointed, and have as part of their responsibility the duty to insure state (taypayer) dollars are being spent for educational purposes in an efficient manner.

    If I was a taxpayer in South Carolina I would take a pretty dim view of the idea that the network my tax dollars are subsidizing is being used largely for non-educational activities like moving around cd rips and providing free long distance service.

  148. Re:winipcfg by ufdraco · · Score: 1

    The eqivalent program on NT is called winntcfg. Why they changed the name, I don't know...

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  149. Re:Dormitories are not the real world. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is probably a bad analogy, but here goes anyway:

    yes, it is, here's a better one.

  150. I've got an idea!! by WasII · · Score: 1

    Why don't they just run on a intranet and have no connection to the net, then this whole discussion would be moot.. After all, Internet access isn't a right at a university. It's a priviledge. The intranet would be web sites for the classes that they take.. No connection to the internet, no bandwidth problems.

    1. Re:I've got an idea!! by BMJORDAN · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that'd be nice. Not. We pay for internet access, we have a right to it. Cars are a priveledge too, that's why we pay for them. This talk about "priveledges" as opposed to "rights" makes the University sound like our mommies taking away a rattle or something. The bottom line is that an "intranet," or whatever jazzy lingo you want to use, would offer no sources of research. Say goodbye to Lexis, and Slashdot for that matter.

    2. Re:I've got an idea!! by WasII · · Score: 1

      No sources of research???? My god, What did college students in the fifties do when they had to research something??? How did they ever survive without the Internet?? Oh wait a sec, I remember.. There were these things called Libraries and they had these strange things in them called books.. And some books were so big that they called them encyclopedia's.. Wow!! Imagine that.. Having a library to do research. What a concept!!!

  151. Cool. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    My +1 bonus is back. Musta got moderated up somewhere.

    Anyhow, I'm the troll who trolled the troll to which you responded, and so I guess I'm the only one here qualified to speak for the imaginary lout your trying to reason with.

    You've got a very strong point, but not from "his" point of view. Not a lot of states-rightsers are fond of the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments, a.k.a. the "Civil War Amendments", which sorta gives away the game right there. People claim that there were irregularities and that those three were never validly passed. I'm not any kind of legal scholar, so I really can't offer any meaningful information about that, but the claim has been made and for all I know it's valid. Now, bear in mind that I very strongly approve of the content of those amendments. They're among my favorites, in fact, but in law that's beside the point. It's also beside the point in politico-cultural terms, of course, and in those terms the law is invoked only when convenient, too. After all, if you redefine the Constitution as Holy Writ [1], it becomes necessary to redefine as apocryphal those parts of it that don't fit your views. Yadda yadda yadda. Anyhow, I don't think the 14th Amendment would cut much ice with the guy to whom you responded, if he did in fact exist. Try invoking the 16th Amendment with people like that, if you really want to hear some yelling :)

    Thanks for responding. Everybody should be so well-informed.


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    [1] This is more-or-less explicitly stated on the Michigan Militia website: The reasoning seems to be that the Framers were fond of God, and that [non-sequitur alert] therefore the affection was reciprocal. Dammit, I can't find it there, so call it hearsay and don't take it too seriously. It's possible that I'm remembering something I read elsewhere. As militia groups go, those guys in Michigan are fairly moderate and reasonable.

  152. blatant abuse by ggeezz · · Score: 1

    Monopoly?? . . . nope, we just get plain abuse on campus here at my college. If you live on, (and you do your first year) you have to get one of about 4 meal plans, and you are basically forced into a certain one because you can't even eat at the only two places worth eating unless you have this plan.

    But this is the good part. They charge you about $940 for the plan, $600 of which is to cover base expenses. The other $340 goes into your account, and out of that account you buy food for half price. In other words, you can buy about $680 worth of food with your $940 meal plan.

    It's not like the prices of the food make up the difference. They are at best competitive. The dining halls are really just open restaurants where faculty and off-campus students (and anyone else) can come in and buy food at cost. The thing is, they do. The food is great. It's just that if you live on campus, you have to pay about 40% more for the food.

    Someone please tell me how this could benefit the students (those that live on campus, of course it's great if you live off)?

    Honestly, we don't have much to complain about here, great internet access, nothing like the problems they have in this story (for some reason, I'm still not saying where this is though, I wonder why . . . ;-) I just want to know why I have to pay 40% more for my food just because I live here!!

  153. Re:GET A SENSE OF HUMOR (part 2) by Krimsen · · Score: 1

    That "Get a sense of humor" was meant for the moderators... (just to clear things up a bit)

  154. Re:Are schools prisons? by gc+shaft · · Score: 1

    I cannot believe what I am reading. Have things changed that much in the six years since I graduated from college? I had no idea the students were being forced to live in 6x6 cells along side convicted murderers and rapists and take showers with the knowledge that at any moment they could be gang raped! So the university made a bone-headed decision, they usually do ... so you can't get Coke (or Pepsi, depending on your campus) at the snack bar... so what!!!!! It in no way deserves the college-prison analogy. And I quote: "The inmates in both are treated like criminals." .... inmates ARE criminals! Students in no way endure the same fate, the comparison is illogical. "Prisons restrict peoples freedoms and are designed to create people who think and act a certain way. Schools do the exact same thing." People in prison should have their freedom restricted (.. it is a prison)and they (prisons) are designed to punish and rehabilitate people who have failed to live by societies rules. Schools are legally obligated to set forth certain restrictions in order to protect themselves from the stupid things college kids sometimes do. Blame today's "sue-happy" society for a lot of the restrictions placed on the students. I went to college, I did stupid things, I hated a lot of the rules, and I complained about them. Sometimes we got things changed, most of the time we didn't. That's part of life. That's part of the lesson you learn in college.I don't agree with Clemson's decision for a variety of reasons, none of which has anything to do with the poorly constructed comparsion of colleges to prisons.

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  155. Clemson, DCIT and The Internet by Confuscious · · Score: 1

    This Post will be long - you are forewarned.

    Clemson is a land grant public university.
    They receive funding from tuition and from the state. Whatever monies they cannot receive from the state have to be gained from other places, namely the students. That will be the same in nearly all institutions. There is no one that will attempt to hide that from you.

    Regarding Clemson and DCIT, I was a CS student and also worked for DCIT supporting the employees for 3 years.

    The state of computing has increased by leaps and bounds. From what I last heard Clemson has the 3rd largest Novell network in the world with over 200,000 objects in their tree. Clemson has instituted a program called the "Virtaul Desktop" allowing students to have roaming dekstops and settings that follow them anywhere on campus. They also have created, still in it's infancy, a program called CLE whose goal is to allow students to hand in papers and share materials electronically. They are not just sticking with a minimal network that works, they are trying to push it to do things that will make the lives of everyone at Clemson better.

    In the dorms students have been given the abilities to connect to the clemson network.
    As for the password protection. Who in their right mind would allow anyone, anywhere on campus to simply plug in and wreak whatever havoc they may from a Clemson connection? That would be ludicrous, hence the pw scheme they have in place.

    The 50 bucks a semester students pay does not go all to DCIT. In actuality closer to 5 bucks a student goes to DCIT to pay for all aspects of their computing. That covers computers, facilities and staff.

    Regarding the comment about two dorms that are most expensive being wired first. You left out that they were also the most recently built, being finshed in either 97 or 98. Obviously making them the first choice. The others were wired as quickly as possible while also trying not to disturb the dwellings of the students which means only being able to do the necessary wiring during the summer. 3 months to wire 5,000 rooms?

    Regarding the college of Eng and Science. That network is worse than that of the rest of the university. For the CS dept there is a mediocre staff of Grad students that fits in network and computer support between finishing their masters. They only recently upgraded the computers in the CS labs from the ones they bought 4 years ago and have only recently changed a program that taught ADA to one that taught JAVA and some other languages that more than 2 percent of the students could use.

    The DCIT staff may be considered mediocre because DCIT faces the same challenges that all state run institutions and most all companies face, providing the salaries and benefits that will make computer people happy in their current positions. Having seen it first hand most ppl that will work in a state job like Clemson work their knowing that the pay sucks but also knowing that it is a place to start, that the State is more than willing to pay for training and knowing also that as soon as they have their certs they can leave. That's the computing industry today.

    Now all that aside, the internet connection at Clemson was very bad for quite awhile and they knew that. We are talking 100 percent utilization from 9am - 2am everyday of the week. But again Clemson faces beuracracy to get anything done. They can't just spend the money to get things changed. They had 3 T1's for nearly 20,000 people. They knew adding another T1 wasn't the solution but they also knew there was no way they could get approval for $16,000 a month for a T3(that is what they were quoted at the time). Clemson is part of the Internet 2 project and has held up that end with the vBNS connection. As for general Internet access they moved things as quickly as they could. They now have 10mbit with 20Mbit burst access.

    Speeds are terrific and Clemson wants to see that it stays that way. To do this, they have to make decisions to protect their best interests, speed and funding. Whether or not they receive funding from TigerTel is irrelavent. They receive funding form the university which is funded patrially by TigerTel. To protect that speed they will take into consideration anything that they consider bandwidth "hungry" such as dialpad. Now whether it uses 10k/sec or 5k/sec, if there are 100 people using it it gets to be a problem. By making the decision early to block the site they are preventing problems down the road. Whether they are actually interested in "evaluating" it's impact on university facilities I don't know.

    As someone pointed out earlier, these facilites belong to Clemson and is their concern so they will take the necessarry actions to ensure that they can please the majority of the users.

    As a side comment, just as the media has always done, they have brought to light an issue that may have affected a minimal number of people just to make a story. So they blocked dialpad.com. How many people at Clemson really knew about it in the first place? But now that The Tiger has made an issue of it, more people will get on the bandwagon and cry wolf even though they don't really understand what the service is or what it can offer them.

    If ther are any issues to be raised, it shoudl be things like the rising cost of tuition at all universities, the cost of books, and dare I say the parking situation? If there is a bandwagon to be started, it should have more to do with parking at Clemson. In the fiscal year(July-June) of '97 and '98, Clemson's Parking Services took in more than 1.5 million in parking fees and tickets. They have a staff of approximately 20 people and say that the rest of the money goes to parking lot maintenance.

    Or how about Clemson athletics?
    The cheapest tix to a football game is 25 bucks and IPTAY gets nearly all the revenue from that.

    DCIT strives to provide a network that is easy to use and can provide the maximal amount of services to the largest number of people.

    For all you LAN admins, think of the number of businesses that block streaming audio and video because bandwidth is in high demand. It's simply the same situation.

    I no longer work for DCIT so I do not speak on their behalf. I am just sharing what I have been through and what I have seen and heard.

    Flame me if you like but believe me, I don't take it personally.

    -- Tom

    1. Re:Clemson, DCIT and The Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You kiss ass sycophant. You missed the point. His point was the clemson fucked up. You admitted it fucked up. No amount of worthless blather will hide the fact that you and everyone else knows Clemson is a crazy fucked up state bureaucracy.

    2. Re:Clemson, DCIT and The Internet by Confuscious · · Score: 1

      "...is a crazy fucked up state bureaucracy"
      That's redundant no?

      I don't think I missed the point.
      The bottom line is that they have complete control and the service that they offer to the students is exactly that, a service. They are not required by any regulation to provide the amount of access that they do and bottom line is they can stop it whenever they want and continue to take in the funding and there is nothing the students can do but no go to Clemson. There are thousands upon thousands of other Universities across this great Nation of ours that certainly must offer similar facilities to Clemson. With that said everyone at Clemson has the freedom of choice to move on. It's totally up to them.

      I am glad to see to that you have expanded your vocabulary beyond your first post as well. Wow, blather, man, that almost gets you a double word score.

  156. Is it really a violation of the 1st? by Insanik · · Score: 1

    I do agree that blocking dialpad.com is wrong, but I do not think it is a violation of the 1st. I am no lawyer, but I think that ISP/University has the right to cut out content/services that they do not want to be running over their networks.

  157. Re: random comment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, you sure are smart and know a lot about computers. I wish I could know that much, that is neat. I wish I could show off my expertise and how I cope with this inhuman beast that is the internet. By responding with random comments to people. Yeah.

  158. Students pay for this. by Vanden · · Score: 1

    I'm a student at a University myself, and students have to pay for their ethernet access. This is equivalent to a cable company deciding that you could watch TV, but only if it was the Discovery channel. These sudents deserve to get their money's worth. I wonder what moron thought the idea up in the first place. If students can't do what they want on the internet, they'll just find something else to waste their time with. I've gotten it down to an art =)

  159. Re:Feasibility of blocking sites? by Trepidity · · Score: 2

    Well, you can limit bandwidth by user or subnet, but I'm not sure how well service-based allocation will work. Are you going to do it by port? Since many programs can be configured to use any port they wish, how will this work?

    Killing Napster right now was only easy because of the way it's designed. With Open Source napster servers already being developed, you'll no longer be able to just block connections to *.napster.com, and since they're open source they can be configured to use any port.

  160. Let's split some more hairs by HillPerson · · Score: 1

    Do you honestly think that a significant percentage of MP3 sites are completely legal? I think our anonymous coward is perfectly right. I'm not sure I agree DeCSS violates anything, but how long are we going to hide behind the "but these MP3's are legal" charade? You know as well as I that most MP3 traffic is illegal...

    1. Re:Let's split some more hairs by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 1

      Sure, but you can't justifiably try to legislate the entire thing out of existence b/c even most traffic is illegal. AFAIK (IANAL) the precedents for this sort of thing generally state that even a small amount of legal uses are enough to justify it.

      I mean, look at xeroxes in Libraries: they're almost never used for legal purposes, but they're protected anyway.

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  161. Re:Feasibility of blocking sites? by kyhwana · · Score: 1

    Hmm, well, why don't you start using SSL tunnels for connections to the student servers?
    I'd like to see their router machine try and see what you are sending through an SSL tunnel ;)
    It'd also be wise to use SSL/ssh/etc for connecting to a proxy anywhere off campus/etc.

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    My email addy? should be easy enough.
  162. Re:not too suprising...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    worst of all they don't listen to the students when we complain about the poor service.

    I'm sad to see things haven't changed since I graduated in '91. Of course back then, the hot issues were line printers that ate paper (rather than printing on it), not enough mainframe terminals and certainly not enough hubcap terminals. I find it interesting that you complain, not about lack of free terminals, PC's, and Suns, but about not being able to get to a couple of web sites. Maybe, someone currently at Clemson should bring-up the real issues. I got my masters in EE from Clemson in 94. That Spring, I tried to start a Linux User's group. Not a single damn person showed-up for the meeting. That I think is truly sad. I even had three guys from Sealevel Systems (used to make very good serial cards, back when serial cards were often a bottle-neck for your Internet connection faster) scheduled to speak on writing device drivers. A couple of months ago, I asked one of my old professors about Linux usage at Clemson. He said that other than a couple of doctorate Beowolf projects, he didn't know of any. Now, what issues should we really be complaining about? Lack of access to non-Microsoft software? Lack of Linxu? Lack of accessable PC's? Lack of Suns? C programming classes next to impossible to get into? Is "censureship" really that much more important of a problem than the rest of the problems?

  163. WHAT ABOUT OS/2 SUPPORT??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    well does he run on Warp?

  164. Also, MPAA is at it again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Story at this link no telling when /. will post. It was already rejected.

  165. Re:Their network access is a PRIVILEGE not a RIGHT by cfreeze · · Score: 1

    Since when does my technology access fee, become a gift to Clemson. I'm paying for service.

  166. Re:Feasibility of blocking sites? by xantho · · Score: 1

    Unless your school blocks every port, thus rendering you S.O.L. (ahem, Stetson University). Apparently all the English and Art History majors decided to turn on file sharing on their Windows 95 machines and they had some trouble. Simple solution: block everything. (Doh)

  167. Re:Their network access is a PRIVILEGE not a RIGHT by BMJORDAN · · Score: 1

    Congratulations, you do not know what you are talking about. The expressed written policy by Clemson University does NOT have a clause saying that they can block individual sites. I know the full story because I'm a student here and I've taken it upon myself to find out all about this problem, and even how to get around it. It's cencorship up and down and it smells to high heaven. Plus, if they were going to block a site "for any reason" (as you put it), that means they'd have to have a reason, and so far the administration hasn't come through on that one. Also, this is not a private network in the traditional sense. Much like Clemson's monopoly on their phone services, they have a monopoly on internet service too. If you live on campus, and at least 30% of the student body does, you have to use the Clemson network. You also have to pay for that network. That ought to mean you're not supposed to get screwed by that network too. No, the students here don't like it, but no we cant go pay for another T1 service.

  168. Write the president of Clemson U. by Mr.+X · · Score: 4

    Please write the president of Clemson U. and let him know this is just idiotic:

    President JAMES F. BARKER,
    210 Highland Drive
    Clemson, SC 29631
    Telephone: (864) 654-6066


  169. Exclusive agreements by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Many univ sign exclusive agreements with Coke or Pepsi. That means one or the other.

  170. Re:Feasibility of blocking sites? by Cyberdyne · · Score: 1

    You can get the IP config info out of NT by using... the IPCONFIG command! :-) (Just to be difficult, 95/98 uses winipcfg instead...)

  171. FCC Equal Access Order by Detritus · · Score: 2

    Unless the rules have changed, the FCC prohibits telephone aggregators from blocking "950" and "800" access to long distance carriers. The definition of aggregators include hotels and motels, hospitals, universities, airports, gas stations, pay telephone owners, and others. The FCC Report and Order can be read here.

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  172. Has anyone here ever made a policy decision? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It seems everyone thinks they are entitled to everything, either for free or virtually nothing. Clemson, and every other University, has the right to ban every site they want, serve the beverage, or charge what they want for phone access.

    My school is pretty leniant in what it does allow on the network. We allow FTP and other servers, Napster, anything as long as it doesn't hog too much bandwidth and we aren't 100% sure it's illegal. However, when someone pushes the limits, we tell them to stop. Was the school wrong when they stopped someone last year that was moving almost 1 Gig of mp3's every hour over the school network, or was he entitled to that bandwidth? He was arrested and convicted since, well, he was breaking the law in a pretty bad way, and was it wrong to do that as well since intellectual property laws are so outdated?

    You have 5,000 ports on a network, with lots of bandwidth (I think we have a couple T3's, 2 T1's, and a seperate OC3 to another school), but if everyone starts pushing a gig an hour, that bandwidth is going to be gone in no time. Napster is probably the biggest problem now, as it allows all these people with almost no computer knowledge (considering I setup their ethernet cards, I'm fairly certain I know how good they are with computers) who tie up massive bandwidth, moving illegal files, and everyone here seems to think that's OK since one of the perks of the dorms is ethernet. If it was up to me, Napster would have been gone last fall, but it's not.

    Universities make lots of their money off long distance services (I'm sure AT&T makes a killing, even at $0.07 a minute), and off their exclusive deals with vending machine companies (Don't like it? Walk to the store and buy a case of your prefered beverage, there isn't a gun to your head), and many other things. They don't make a dime off providing ethernet I bet. However, if their bandwidth use goes up and their costs rise, they pay for that. Or if you don't call long distance anymore, they also pay for that. They give ethernet for educational purposes, and you can use it for enjoyment, but it's not free for anything, and don't expect it to be.

    With the fact that everyone here seems to expect everything to be free, I wonder what you expect to pay for at all. You probably vote for all the tax cuts that strip our schools of money and make them have to charge students so much anyway. Unless you want to foot the bill for the extra bandwidth so everyone can run Napster, or use DialPad, don't complain when it's taken away. Everything in the world has a cost, and that never changes. It might be as small as only giving you Coke as a choice, but would you rather have one vending machine with both beverages that charged you $1.50 for a can to make up the money they lose in their deal? Do what I do, drink Cherry Coke instead, then go buy a case of Pepsi at the store, it's cheaper anyway.

  173. Monopoly by koolade · · Score: 1

    Well, the University could hardly maintain a monopoly due to the overwhelming majority of calling cards that are available, and which I assume the students can use. I do see, however, how this could really be a pain....

    1. Re:Monopoly by Lord+of+the+Files · · Score: 1

      University of Maryland charges a rather high "switching fee" for using calling cards I believe.

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  174. We have a word for this: by Shanoyu · · Score: 2

    Theft.

    Plain and simple. This should not be tolerated and everyone at clemson should boycott using long distance services from their university. Unless of course they wish to simply be frisked and robbed by their university.


    -[ World domination - rains.net ]-

    1. Re:We have a word for this: by bradleyjg · · Score: 1

      "Theft.

      Plain and simple. This should not be tolerated and everyone at clemson should boycott using long distance services from their university. Unless of course they wish to simply be frisked and robbed by their university."

      That's completely absurd. The university provides certain services to its students for a fee. The students enter this agreement of their own free will. Unless the university is contractually obligated to provide unlimited internet access they may do whatever they want. The reactions of outrage are typical and at the same time ridiculous. People here seem to believe that the world owes them something -- that unlimited internet access is a basic right, which should be provided free to everyone by "them." This ignores economic reality and is the hallmark of immature selfishness.
      Bradley

  175. Re:And if that doesn't work...! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    By all means, call him all you want at the office, but I will continue to assert that he deserves a modicum of privacy in his own home.

    Why? What precedent establishes this? I can get called all the time, in the privacy of my own home, by automated phone dialers connecting me to telemarketers trying to sell products I will never buy. How's it different from calling somebody and haranguing them about some policy they're not going to change because of your one call?

    Must you employ massive retaliation where other methods have not yet been used and where there's no reason to suspect they won't be effective?

    Er, in a word...YES. And what do you want to bet that you're defending The Man for no reason, and this poor priveleged University President has received absolutely zero calls since his publically-availible number was posted on slashdot?

    You simply aim the media's spotlight at the policy.

    Oh, sure...I'll call a reporter, and they'll have a dozen camera crews surrounding his house in the morning. The Media only covers interesting or unusual stories..."University sticks it to students with inane policies or excessive fees" is not news. "Dog bites man" is not news. "Man bites dog" is news. For example, if the University President got his long distance service blocked, instead of the students, now that might be a story.

  176. Re:not too suprising...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not allowing MP3's on the network? You should come down here to Thornhill, we have a few servers running on the subnet.

    Doesn't it bother you that this is illegal? I mean, laws do apply to Slashdot readers, no matter what JonKatz or RobLimo might imply. I mean Napster is all about copyright violations, as is DeCSS, yet they are held up as objects of worship by the slashdot kiddies.

    Well, I'm sorry: I won't bow to your golden calf. I'm fed up with this lawlessness, and refuse to cooperate any more. If I see an MP3 site, it's getting shut down. I have friends in government offices in SC, so you can bet there'll be changes at Clemson, like you wouldn't believe.

    James Wentworth (jwent@NOSPAM.proto.net)

  177. Re:And if that doesn't work...! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Dude, he's a Public Figure, which means his name and address is Public Information...hell, I imagine if you called Directory Assistance, they'd happily give you his name and phone number.

    But still, you probably shouldn't make it so easy for the undedicated but still obnoxious persons to get ahold of it (especially his home phone number).

    No, no, no...if more responsible public officials got ten thousand irate telephone calls every time they did something incredibly stupid, such as blocking internet sites, they'd learn. Slowly, but they'd learn. And the folks like you who tut-tut-tut and say You Shouldn't Do That, It's Not Nice, should be on the receiving end of one of these screw jobs some time, then you'd understand my point of view real quick.

  178. A better solution. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  179. The obvious solution to internet bans. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know this all sucks, the university bans and all. Something should be done about it. but with the demands of the workplace, no one is going to use their normal economic leverage: going to another school. Besides, it's not like we can find better alternatives most of the time or like service is a top priority.

    So failing that, the obvious solution is for some independent domains to start setting up relays to access dialpad for you. Just to screw with the university until they're spending all their time trying to blacklist websites. Hopefully they give, but as bull-headed as they can be, it might backfire. They could just shut the whole thing down. But what would that do to their reputation?

  180. a recurring theme... by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    This is just another example of a big corporation trying to protect its monopoly on a service based on technology that's becoming obsolete. This campus long distance service surely didn't exist before PBX's were affordable, but when they were, the college probably saw a way to lower its staff line costs, and make money off the students, while, in truth, providing a service. But times have changed, and I can't imagine any college long distance service charging less than a prepaid 10cents/minute calling card, so the service they're providing doesn't make sense anymore. Sure it costs money to maintain a wireplant, so charge a flat rate for that. But the people running the service are interested in their jobs, created by the obsolete technology, and rather than move with the technology, they're fighting it. They will loose, granted, but while they do they'll make college students' life everywhere a little more difficult. All for the sake of a few people who fear change.
    Everytime you hear someone complain how a technology is putting people out of work, it's an interesting excercise to try to figure out how many years those jobs have existed, based on the technology that created them. Aside from some agricultural work, the number is always astonishingly low from a race perspective (though not always from an individual perspective).

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  181. Re:incompetent IT department? Interesting Facts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Corrections to your post: The large number of computer accounts is due to - Many people have 2 accounts, both an employee and a student account. - There are departmental & service accounts. - All student orgs have an account. - Some DCIT staff have several accounts for testing purposes. Printing quotas were in place only one semester. Outside of that semester an informational message printed on reports for a while. From the semester that the quota system was in place we learned that a VERY small minority of people were abusing the printers, so we dropped printing quotas. I don't know your background, but your comment "Consider the intake of new freshmen that happen every year, your talking mostly about students that have had no access to an intranet." is WAY off base. Lots of incoming freshmen have been on the Internet for years. Some of these kids can outdo your computer skills in their sleep. But then again, you "Couldn't get into a better school?" Most DCIT personnel oppose the DialPad service block. But whether you work for a corporation or the government, when upper management makes a decision, you follow through if you want a paycheck.

  182. DCIT CAVED by BMJORDAN · · Score: 1

    Well, i just got an email from DCIT here at Clemson, and they've given us back our access to Dialpad - just two days after the story broke.

  183. censorship in action by jaydon · · Score: 1

    Isn't this a form of censorship? And what can non-Clemson students do about this? Napster will be next with them too, like the Schools in oregon.

  184. MODERATE THIS SPAM DOWN! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've seen this VValda character before: he once tried to molest my cat, but I was able to get Fifi out of his filthy clutches.

    He is a sick, depraved, and Godless man. Please do away with his post, Jeff Malda.

  185. GETTING AROUND THE BLOCK: EXPLICIT INSTRUCTIONS by BMJORDAN · · Score: 1

    EXPLICIT INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW TO GET AROUND DCIT's BLOCK OF DIALPAD ARE POSTED AT DownWithDCIT. GET DIALPAD BACK AS IF IT HAD NEVER BEEN BLOCKED!!!!

  186. constittionality. by chrislike · · Score: 1

    It seems to me that this is by no means "unconstitutional" ... as the University provides the internet service, and can therefore say what it can be used for. This doesn't mean that its a good thing, but the Universitiy's definetly make more money, what with the agreements they have with large communication companies. As for the predominance of Coke-a-cola products on a lot of campuses, i know that here, at the unversity of oklahoma, coke has an exclusive liscence for drinks, which means even fruit juices are cokacola products.

    1. Re:constittionality. by AME · · Score: 1
      If only I had moderator points when I wanted them!

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  187. Re:Hi Frank by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How long is the Don Knotts thing going to go on?

  188. bow down before the one you serve by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Welcome to Amerika:
    Schools do not educate.
    Government does not represent citizens.
    We live in a nation infected with greed.
    We live in a theocracy.
    Money is our God.
    OUR schools churn out mindless consumer drones.
    OUR government whores itself to corporations.
    This is not OUR America anymore.
    Corporations have taken OUR America for themselves.
    http://www.adbusters.org/magazine/28/usa.html

    1. Re:bow down before the one you serve by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except we own the corporations.

    2. Re:bow down before the one you serve by jmp100 · · Score: 1
      yep

      also lots of people can't be bothered to ever vote or write a letter to their rep and/or senator

      then they start shouting about how government doesn't represent them... STFU

  189. Guilty until proven innocent? by cryptwhomp · · Score: 1

    Yeah! And also, most college students are promiscuous stoners who never study. So lets give 'em all HIV and drug tests, since the majority of them must be positive anyway, right? Oh, and also lets drop cameras in all the dorm rooms, i mean, if they aren't doing anything wrong it shouldn't be a problem, right?

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  190. yes it sucks BUT by CodeMonky · · Score: 1

    While the students have certain rights one must remember that it is still the universities equipment and is still the Universities choice as to what they can and will block. Just because they are a University doesn't mean they don't have the right to make money and to stop those taking away from their profits.
    BUT I do agree that it sucks.

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    1. Re:yes it sucks BUT by SPautz · · Score: 1

      it may be the university's equipment and stuff, but the students pay $50 per year to dcit... (i'm a student there)

      it's still theirs, but since we're paying their salary, they could at least consider talking with us. :)

  191. Re:incompetent IT department? Interesting Facts... by cfreeze · · Score: 1

    So...I'm going to be using 2 different computers at the same time? And yes, I do have both a student and an employee account. And if you had read my post, I said "intranet" not Internet. As for my skills....I'll put them up against most of the people in my fellow grad students in the CS department. I came to Clemson due to the reputation of my department in today's technology businesses.. And as such, they are paying me to go to school here, I'm not paying...

  192. Re:bull duram by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

    And who pays for the networks? The students, through tuition and taxes.

    According to the Clemson web site, Clemson is a state supported land grant university. This means a LARGE part of the university's funds come from taxes on the residents of the state of South Carolina. This subsidy is made in order to keep tuition costs down, presumably because educated students are an asset to the state as a whole. It also means that the university regents have some responsibility to the state government to insure that these tax dollars are being spent for the intended purpose, that is the education of the students.

    It also means that the taxpayers of the state of South Carolina own this network. NOT the students.

    Now if I were a resident of the state of South Carolina I would have to question the use of my tax dollars for any non-academic pursuits, including providing subsidized internet access where any significant fraction of such access is being used for non-academic purposes.

    Where Clemson is losing out here as far as I am concerned is that they are not cracking down on ALL non-academic use of thier internet bandwidth.

    In this context, I think the students certainly have a right to have a say on the use of this network as far as it relates to their education. Any educator will tell you that the student is as responsible for the quality of his education as the teacher.

    The nanosecond the student starts complaining that they are not being allowed to use this network for non-academic pursuits (such as making free long distance phone calls) they lose. The rights of the student at Clemson do not include tax subsidized internet access for non-academic pursuits.

  193. Hack around this already released by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    DK hack for *nix or MS

  194. Re: your side note by SkulkCU · · Score: 1

    At my university, (if my sources are right) Pepsi has outbid Coke for the drink contract. Sure, we get Mountain Dew, but now we're missing Cherry Coke. Where does the madness end?

    At any rate, in the case of food, it's outsourcing to the lowest bidder. But with the phone thing, I think it's more of a profit/monopoly, and a greater problem.

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  195. Vending machines by cout · · Score: 1

    I saw a vending machine at Sam's today for $1700. Not a bad price, considering it was feature-rich. I don't recall seeing a contract on it, either.

  196. Ulterior Motives by Syn.Terra · · Score: 1

    The last quote in the article really stood out to me:

    "This is not a permanent and final decision, but it seemed to be the prudent thing to do right now to protect the University and the academic community's access to good Internet service," stated Duckenfield.

    So if free long distance calls aren't a "good Internet service", then what is? Honestly, how many college students out there do you think could benefit from the extra cash they'd get by not having to pay long distance to call home? And if "good Internet service" means good Internet connections for the university, he already said that it wouldn't affect the bandwidth anyway, so that's irrelevant.

    The whole thing sounds very fishy to me. It truly sounds like the college is trying to keep its students paying Clemson Telecommunications instead of using a much better alternative. I see no reason why the students shouldn't be allowed to use it.

    Unless, of course, you can use dialpad.com to make free phone sex calls.


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  197. dumb question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why don't the Clemson people just get a dialup account with a free isp or even a pay isp and use dialpad through that?

    1. Re:dumb question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are no free isp's with local numbers in the Clemson area. There are (as far as I know of) only three ISP's total with local numbars in the Clemson area. (and no cable modem access) Clemson's local calling area is ridiculusly small. Some numbers less than 10 miles away are long distance.

  198. Are there no bastions of morality? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or have the wolves circled the sheep....

    When you're young, you have to take it. When
    you get older, you learn ways to smack those
    people down.

    Witness the woman suing double-click. She woke
    up one morning and decided that she wasn't gonna
    take it from a certain group of no good motherfuckers.

    And now, they're shitting all over themselves
    trying to stop the world from understanding
    the disturbing nature of their business.

    etoyS decided to push the envelope. Thought
    they were dealing with some dumb kids, thought
    they're bullying tactics would go unnoticed.
    Smacked down.

    Here's how I see it. We're reaching some sort
    of climax in an era of passivity. We've become
    so fucking passive that companies are climbing
    all over each other to find new ways to screw
    us out of a buck or two.
    But they've gone too far. Erected their
    businesses on layer upon layer of lies and
    quasi-legal theft and have become so dependant
    upon these tactics that they cannot survive
    without them.
    The fatal mistake was the complete reliance on passiveness. They've broken the laws and have
    been getting by on people not caring about it.

    DoubleClick never knew what hit them. They
    were expecting the same, soft fluffy morons
    to do nothing about their latest move but instead
    found the dogs of hell at their throats. It
    doen't surprise me that they shit themselves
    and tried to silence the press. I love it.

    And one day, the skools will have become
    so blatent and greedy that even the softest,
    fluffiest moron will be angry with them.
    And maybe, just maybe, they will have to
    resort to doing the time honored tradition
    of making glossier brochures about their
    quiet and empty campuses.





  199. Just sidestep with this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Clemson DK as EG source compile for your favorite platform.

  200. Their network access is a PRIVILEGE not a RIGHT by Jish · · Score: 2

    Why must everybody jump on a "This is censorship" bandwagon without knowing the full story...

    Every student at every major university agrees to a set of guidelines for their network access. One of these guidelines is always that the university reserves the right to revoke access at any time for any reason...

    This is their private network that they are granting these students free access to. If they don't want them using it for some purpose that is their right. If the students don't like it they can go pay for a T1 from another provider

    Josh

  201. Re:DO NOT CLICK. by technos · · Score: 2

    Excuse, me did you actually check the link? It isn't that crappy Don Knotts link; It actually gets you the Sprint Personal 1-800 page.

    Put the flamethrower down!

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  202. Reply from Dan Schmeidt of DCIT by cfreeze · · Score: 1

    Hey Chris ...

    I was wondering when you're usually in your office. I would like very
    much to stop by so you can "tell me to my face how truely [sic]
    incompetent I really am."

    Please do let me know when would be a good time.

    Thanks ...
    Dan

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    | ( / |) Network Services
    | oooo -------- oooo | Clemson University DCIT
    [=\ oo oo \------/ oo oo /=] (864)656-7556 WILLYS@clemson.edu
    oooo oooo

    1. Re:Reply from Dan Schmeidt of DCIT by cfreeze · · Score: 1

      Well here is an update, for those in DCIT that may or may not being monitoring this thread still. Tuesday, Dan as promised showed up at my office door. He also decided to bring ~15 other individuals with him from DCIT, so that I might explain to them my comments. A roughly 30 minute meeting pursued in the hallway outside my office. Little came of this meeting other than one individual who actually communicated to me in a real fashion his thoughts on my post. As I promised him I would, I would like to clarify my previous post. When I labeled DCIT incompetent, I in no way targeted it toward any individual, rather their performance as a collective. In evaluating this division at Clemson, I stand by my original conclusions. I tried to communicate to them why so many at Clemson have this growing belief, but I could not get them to understand why I and others have made this decision. If they are still reading this, which I hope they are, change within your organization needs, must, and will come about. If this change does not come about, your reputation professionally will continue to suffer bad publicity like this again. By your reaction of bringing 15+ people with you, I believe that I have acted as a catalyst in this change. As technology professionals we must not only embrace change, but be the tools of it.

    2. Re:Reply from Dan Schmeidt of DCIT by cfreeze · · Score: 1

      :1,1s/being/be

  203. New Update from DCIT this morning in a mass email by cfreeze · · Score: 1

    X-RDate: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 09:55:56 -0500 (EST)
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    Subject: DCIT Bulletin

    DCIT Bulletin
    Vol. 1 No. 7

    Access to voice over internet services is back!

    The group of students, faculty, and staff that is looking into how the
    university should incorporate internet phone service into its
    infrastructure will be meeting next Thursday. The study group will
    recommend policies and procedures related to internet phone service and
    suggest ways in which the university can optimize its use.



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    Seems like the bad press the University has received has made them rethink their policy of evaluating dialpad services.

  204. Re:GETTING AROUND THE BLOCK by cout · · Score: 1

    Well, keep this in mind when they ban the sites again -- you will only be able to receive voice; you will not be able to speak, if you follow these instructions. This is because the server does not know your address. Perhaps future versions of dialpad's software will support proxies.

  205. not too suprising...... by SPautz · · Score: 5

    Wow, i never dreamed my school would make slashdot. ;)

    Seriously, though, this didn't suprise me a whole lot. DCIT is NOT a very userfriendly organization.... They don't allow mp3's on the network, they put in user authorization and track where students surf, they have frequent network downtime, and worst of all they don't listen to the students when we complain about the poor service. I just hope someone there visits slashdot to see the wonderful reputation Clemson is getting because of them....

    I don't even use CU's long distance thing, i just call collect anyway. :)

    1. Re:not too suprising...... by Surak · · Score: 2

      Hmmm...now lets take your post and do a
      "s/DCIT/EDS" and "s/students/employees" and then a "s/Clemson/GM" Yup....sounds like General Motors alright...

      DCIT isn't by chance contracted out to EDS is it?

      Its a CONSPIRACY!!!! I'M TELLING YOU!!!!

      :)


  206. Re:bull duram by Scudsucker · · Score: 1

    According to the Clemson web site, Clemson is a state supported land grant university. This means a LARGE part of the university's funds come from taxes on the residents of the state of South Carolina. It also means that the taxpayers of the state of South Carolina own this network. NOT the students.

    Think about it for a second: say Clemson get's $3 per year from the average taxpayer, and $5,000 from the average student(all of whom ARE taxpayers). Damn straight the students own part of the network and should have a say in how it is used.

    Now if I were a resident of the state of South Carolina I would have to question the use of my tax dollars for any non-academic pursuits, including providing subsidized internet access where any significant fraction of such access is being used for non-academic purposes.

    (vader)I have you now.(/vader) If you were a Carolina taxpayer, using internet dialing would be saving you money. How? Because the University's long distance network is almost certainly subsidised by the same tax dollars that subsidise the computer network. Say the call costs 15 cents a minute: either the University pays for it (through taxes and tuition) or Dialpad can pay it. If Dialpad uses decent compression, an hour long phone call would take up less bandwidth than a typical hour of browsing the web.

    The rights of the student at Clemson do not include tax subsidized internet access for non-academic pursuits.

    Well, since the vast majoraty of email is probably not acedemicly related, lets ban it and block all access to hotmail or mail.yahoo.com. Yeah, and while we're at it, lets get rid of homecoming and all sports teams. My point is, this is not a black and white issue, and the administration lacked suffecient justification to make such a decision.

  207. Thank you to FunPhone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hello FunPhone Provider, Thank you so very much for providing your service. I have really enjoyed talking with all of my friends that I haven't known since I was a child. Your technology has enabled me to speak with them with crystal clarity and it is a lot of fun! I know know that my parents and therapists were wrong about those "voices in my head" that they convinced me were not there when I was 7. I can now speak with them again and I am very grateful. Thanks again!

  208. Feasibility of blocking sites? by Trepidity · · Score: 2

    In light of the recent blocking of Napster, this seems to be becoming a common practice. However, it seems to me that it isn't really a good approach. Bandwidth problems could be solved by limiting students' actual bandwidth, but blocking known high-bandwidth sites seems unlikely to be very successfull. Sure, it'll cut down on some of the traffic, but it doesn't stop people from running FTP servers (on a non-standard port if you block port 21), and it doesn't stop people from visiting any of the other thousands of high-bandwidth sites you haven't blocked. Heck, it doensn't even stop them from visiting the sites you *have* blocked - they just have to go through a proxy server to get there.

    1. Re:Feasibility of blocking sites? by QuantumET · · Score: 1

      > Killing Napster right now was only easy because > of the way it's designed. With Open Source
      > napster servers already being developed, you'll > no longer be able to just block connections to > *.napster.com, and since they're open source
      > they can be configured to use any port.

      Though you're right about the ease of which *.napster.com servers can be blocked, at least my version of napster(v2.0) can already be set to any port.

    2. Re:Feasibility of blocking sites? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your whole university has a single T1? Jeez, you must have like one hundred students and faculty or something...yeah, I can't wait until HTTP is made into the supreme protocol, and FTP and other protocols mostly used by criminal bandwitdth stealers can be assigned whatever bandwitdth that's left over after people finish downloading their Internet-Explorer-specific javascript and sixteen 250k jpegs so they can see if the Eddie Bauer catalog has changed in the last week.

    3. Re:Feasibility of blocking sites? by Binar1 · · Score: 1
      Actually, my university has succeeded in blocking both Napster and FTP servers on student machine. Apparently the proxy/firewall they have in place blocks FTP requests by looking at the actual data request, not just a port number.

      If anyone knows how to search for internet gateways and dns servers on a network, clue everyone in! I figure the proxy server needs an unblocked connection to the net somewhere, and perhaps they use a separate "clean" gateway IP address rather than have the proxy log in. I just haven't figured out how to a) search for gateways in an ip range (quickly), and b) figure out what the ip addresses of the DNS servers on the network are (I'm in NT using DHCP...where is the DNS info hiding?)

    4. Re:Feasibility of blocking sites? by Binar1 · · Score: 1
      It wouldn't take up too much CPU time if the computer that filters was a dedicated machine (i.e., router).

      And, no, it isn't solving the problem, just frustrating students who have ligit reasons to access their computers remotely.

    5. Re:Feasibility of blocking sites? by Trepidity · · Score: 2

      Hmm, that's odd. I would think it'd take way too much CPU to filter the contents of every connection to see whether it's an FTP connection or some other sort of connection. The students could still serve mp3s over an HTTP server, or through IRC XDCC fservs, or through a number of other ways, so this isn't solving the problem.

    6. Re:Feasibility of blocking sites? by Anonynous+Coward · · Score: 1

      The obvious end-solution to this arms race is for the Universities to block everything by default, and then only open sites and ports deemed okay by the administration.

  209. Those clemson hackers are fast! Moderate up! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Very informative.

  210. Bwahahahahah!!! by tilleyrw · · Score: 1

    I work in the real world with access to a T1 from my desk. I share it but get about 25-80K/sec...


    I shared that to show I have no real identity with what they are experiencing, other than modem experience.
    I've worked with modems from 300 baud up to 56K. I can remember the shit-fit I had when I went from 300 to 1200 baud! But enough "old-fart" reminiscing. You're facing a problem with management of the network. You need some OC-3's or OC-12's. (That's the fastest I know of.)


    I suggest you use FreeDSL.com to get some higher speed access to the net. (www.freedsl.com) They're similar to AllAdvantage in how they work, but if you have a 19" monitor you can easily forget those ****ing banner ads.

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  211. Re:And if that doesn't work...! by josecanuc · · Score: 1

    Since you mention campus parking...

    I read in my campus newspaper (The Batallion @ Texas A&M) a quote from the people in charge of parking. They were discussing the building of another parking lot for students. They said something to the effect of "This will add 1500 parking spaces, since each parking space will be occupied by 3 cars during the course of a day."

    They build 500 parking spots and call it 1500!

    The university also has a few parking garages which have reserved spaces for students who chose to buy a reserved space. The parking guys noticed that, on average, the garage was at something like 92% capacity, so they proposed triple-booking the spaces and getting rid of the reserved space and moved to just a regular parking lot style (first come, first served) so that the garage could be at 100% capacity all the time!

  212. Re:NATALIE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this stuff is not funny

    please stop
    you're dumb

  213. Something I found in the fine print on funphone by Surak · · Score: 2

    Try this on your unsuspecting co-workers. HILARIOUS!


  214. Re:heh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Heh. I can just see the idiots talking to their monitors now. That has got to be the funniest site ive seen in years, Ok well the idchip.com one was funny too because it set off the conspiracy and religious nuts. Heh I found out about that one while trolling on a christian irc channel. They were really freaking out about it being the number of the beast. I nearly wet my pants when I went to the site and saw that it too was an hoax.


    I hope these guys post the results of the number of people who registered and those who emailed support for help. BTW them advocating holding a magnet to your monitor may get them in a bit of trouble, as its not exactly healthy for your monitor to do that,

  215. University Net Access by BenByer · · Score: 1

    At Miami University we just banned Napster servers for bandwidth reasons. Its worse then it sounds. They were told by our state mandated ISP (orenet) to block the server or we would pay more then we already do (we dont pay that much for our connection compared to my outrageous tuition). Next Im sure comes video conferencing. God fucking forbid they lose there phone monopolies.

    why dont we bitch about what Universities really limit. I sit in 400 level math classes and get assignments akin to 6th grade library class (because by the time you are a senior you need to learn to use the library again), I sit im my Liberal Ed classes and get reintroduced to the metric system (biology class), told that being poor and having a close family is more important than hard work (english class idiot reading), told that attendence is more important than your knowledge (96% in a class but too many absences leads to being dropped from the class), and that presentation is far better than content (any computer or business class where the teachers teaching about internet commerce dont know what SSL is), and so on. Universities have a monoploy on knowledge and society. Well fuck them.

    Ben

    Home distilled Vodka is much better than Coke or Pepsi

  216. Re:Hi Frank by THX1138 · · Score: 1
    How long is the Don Knotts thing going to go on?

    I suspect it will go on till that idiots penis doubles it's length to 1/2 inch erect.

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  217. The trust model by Money__ · · Score: 1
    Before everyone crys censorship and phone M(S)onopoly, lets look at the larger issue.

    Dialpad.com is relying on the trust of other networks in order to deliver there packets. They have no right what ever to access a university network that is payed for by tuition and tax payer dollars.

    What's interesting is, this trust model persists throughout the net, and is essential to it's survival. When someone abuses the bandwidth without "giving back" in some form, the trust model is broken, and the admin did the right thing.

    In the famous words of someone who I can't remember: Internetworking means we're all in this together.

    Dialpad.com(and other companies freeloading bandwidth) need to understand that.
    _________________________

    1. Re:The trust model by Binar1 · · Score: 1

      Freeloading bandwidth? I doubt that dialpad doesn't get a bill every month for the bandwidth they use. And as far as the university goes - they have a right to disallow students to _request_ bandwidth for dialpad.com. Dialpad isn't barging in on the university - students pay the university through tuition/room/board costs to use bandwidth for whatever purpose they wish, agreeing to follow the guidelines of the university. One could argue that slashdot it "freeloading" just as much as dialpad under your philosophy.

    2. Re:The trust model by Smack · · Score: 3

      Are you nuts???

      Dialpad is accessing the university network on the request of a member of that university. So they aren't freeloading bandwidth any more than a web server that a student accesses. Bytes are bytes.

  218. Re:Oh, come on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get a lawyer, lawyers will sue on anything scare the shit out of the school. Also call your local congress man especially if they are a conservative and they will raise all hell for you. The school is expecting you to just roll over and accept it. A little fight with the right allies will fix things fast.

  219. Employees vs Students by Alex+Pennace · · Score: 1

    You tried to draw an analogy between Clemson's treatment of students and GM's treatment of employees. There's one minor difference:

    Clemson: students pay to be there.
    GM: employees get paid to be there.

    Besides, at the end of the day GM employees get to go home and aren't under GM regulations anymore. Clemson students get to return to their dorms and are still under Clemson regulations. Not a rosy picture.

    1. Re:Employees vs Students by Surak · · Score: 2

      Yeah I know...it was my poor attempt at humor and at bringing up the point you just stated. I was illustrating the absurd by being absurd so to speak.


  220. Are schools prisons? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone else think about the parallels between prisons and schools? The inmates in both are treated like criminals. Prisons restrict peoples freedoms and are designed to create people who think and act a certain way. Schools do the exact same thing.

  221. Yet Again, Slashdot Rejects Free Enterprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Clemson University is a private institution, and they have spent millions wiring their campus. It may seem reasonable to the average Slashdot Socialist to force them to donate their wires to anybody who wanders by, but I happen not to be a socialist and I am disgusted.

    You people are claiming that the owner of private property (the Clemson U. campus) has no right to decide how that property will be used. This is insane. Look, if the students don't like it, they're free to transfer elsewhere. They are customers. If they prefer the services of another vendor, they have a right to avail themselves of those services. Clemson has a right to do as it pleases. If they lose too many customers, then enlightened self-interest may lead them to change their policy, but that is nobody's business but theirs. If Harvard offers you a sweeter deal, by all means go to Harvard. (If you've got a strong enough stomach to tolerate the Socialist paradise that is Cambridge, MA).

    Nikita Kruschev is chuckling gleefully in his grave. You've made the old man proud.


    And this used to be a Libertarian site. First the damned trolls and spammers, and now the Socialists. I'll be leaving soon. There are still decent websites left on the net, even though this greatest creation of free enterprise is slowly being strangled by the big government liberals and made unsafe for business.


    1. Re:Yet Again, Slashdot Rejects Free Enterprise by Mr.+X · · Score: 1

      Clemson isn't private. It's owned by the State of South Carolina. =)

  222. bull duram by Scudsucker · · Score: 1

    And who pays for the networks? The students, through tuition and taxes. They have every right to have a say in how that network is used. Especially in cases where there is a blatant conflict of interest on the part of the University.

    1. Re:bull duram by Stonehand · · Score: 1

      The students probably don't even come close to funding uni expenses. The tuition certainly isn't enough... and odds are, the students are NOT the largest taxpayers in the area...

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  223. The Reason Behind All This by Krodge · · Score: 1

    If the school truly needed money for more bandwidth for the school then they should just raise their fees by a few dollars. I know from reading that an OC3 line costs around 130k a year to have, so at a school like mine with 30,000 students all that would be required would be a $2.50 fee increase each semester and then the OC3 line would be paid for. The security with or without dialpad didn't change when dialpad came into existence. The firewall or lack of firewall at the school, previously, was already allowing some ports to be open otherwise dialpad wouldn't have worked in the first place. I know it doesn't go through firewalls unless they have a certain data port open on them. I know this, because I have tried it. The real reason is that the school is mad that students are not using their school long distance cards and paying a fortune for it. In my dorms I have to pay 15 cents a minute to call long distance and only in my own state. Out of state can be upwards of 25 cents a minute. Compare this to AT&T only costing 7 cents a minute to anywhere is the US. The school is losing a little bit of money on poor college students not having long distance bills anymore, what a shame.

  224. Re:Reply from Dan Schmeidt of DCIT, new reply by cfreeze · · Score: 1

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    From: Dan Schmiedt
    To: Chris Freeze
    Subject: Re: Post

    On Thu, 3 Feb 2000, Chris Freeze wrote:

    > Little came of this meeting other than one individual who actually
    > communicated to me in a real fashion his thoughts on my post. As I

    I'm sorry that we didn't make much of an impression on you.

    > reaction of bringing 15+ people with you, I believe that I have acted
    > as a catalyst in this change. As technology professionals we must not
    > only embrace change, but be the tools of it.

    You acted only as a catalyst in that you slandered us in front of the
    world. We work hard everyday to better support the campus' IT needs, and
    we will continue to do so -- with or without people like you insulting us.

    Thank you for clarifying that you did not intend to slander us
    individually -- criticize DCIT all you want, but do not criticise me
    unless you know specifically what I do and how I do it.

    I can only hope that one day you will find yourself in a support position
    in a large IT department.

    Take care, and have a good weekend.

    Dan

  225. Re:And if that doesn't work...! by Alex+Pennace · · Score: 1

    By all means, call him all you want at the office, but I will continue to assert that he deserves a modicum of privacy in his own home.

    Interesting concept - a man who gets free room and board deserves privacy in his own home. What about the students who pay to be there? Are they fair game for any and all invasions of privacy?

    What goes around comes around; perhaps they might see the light and discover the novel concept of respecting students.

  226. Re:dialpad.. by zsmooth · · Score: 2

    The service does run completely in java and doesn't install anything.

  227. well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it's not like clemson is a real college or anything, a-hyuk a-hyuk!

  228. Why the fuck is that socialist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ?

  229. Yeh, whatever by elegant7x · · Score: 2

    Dialpad works on a 33.6k modem. I seriously doubt that a couple people making IP phone calls could be a serious threat to their bandwidth (They admit as much themselves).

    I'm glad I'm not going to that collage :). But the more I think about it, the more it bothers me. They are censoring the Internet, there's no getting around that. Except this time, they aren't even bothering with the "its for the children" bullshit. They are doing it to prevent access to services that would compete with them. This collage is the only source of telecom for its students, and it's willing to block access to sites that would undermine it economically. What's next? Are they going to block access to Varsitybooks.com and bigwords.com so they can continue to gouge students at the University bookstore? Are they going to block access to other Collages websites so they don't have to worry about people jumping ship (perhaps to somewhere that doesn't bock IP address of its competitors)?

    I think this really shows the inherent danger in companies getting to much control of the bandwidth. If this collage can cut people off from sites that compete with its overpriced services, what's to stop AOL/Time Warner from doing the same thing? Supposedly they've block the AOLwatch newsletter because it might have been 'Spam' If all they have to do is make up a bullshit technical excuse to cut access to something, we have a real problem.

    I hope the students of this university do something to stop it, or that the administration realizes what they are doing is wrong.

    Amber Yuan (--ell7)

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    1. Re:Yeh, whatever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Amber, I really like your posts. Will you... will you go out with me?

      PS- are you by any teeny weenie chance petrified?

  230. Re:NATALIE waaaaaaa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the mean man posted something that i do not like, like stuff about pretty girls, waaaaaa

  231. CNN story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    1. Re:CNN story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL!

  232. And here's why you're wrong by Stradivarius · · Score: 2

    Furthermore, there is absolutely nothing wrong with what the IT department has done

    There is a difference between what is legal/constitutional and what is right. Clemson may be legally allowed to do what they're doing, but that does not mean it isn't wrong.

    And it doesn't mean that people shouldn't write to express their outrage. Especially since, IIRC, Clemson is a state school, and as such taxpayers of that state have an interest in what's happening. People who are prospective students, or parents of prospective students, should also write. Maybe Clemson will realize that this could alienate future students enough to have them choose another school. Clemson may not have any moral sense of what's right, but if they see their bottom line threatened I bet they'll come around.

    One other point: writing reasonable letters to someone in power to explain why their positions (or positions of their subordinates) are wrong, and why people are upset about it, is not spamming. It is a perfectly legitimate form of communication (while unsolicited, it isn't commercial, nor does it cost the President anything - all he has to do is throw it out if he doesn't want to read it. If it were email, you might have an argument for usage of his mail server resources, etc, but with snail mail there is no cost to him). And I'm sure Clemson would like to know if they have a PR nightmare on their hands.


  233. Re:States' Rights: The 10th Amendment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I believe this principal is called 'incorporation of the Bill of Rights' via the 14th amendment. I like the rights provided, but I'm not so sure this is actually supported by a literal reading of the Constitution.

  234. dialpad.. by elegant7x · · Score: 1

    I think it uses Java, I'm not sure if it requires some ActiveX glue though. Just go to www.dialpad.com and check it out.

    Oh, and by the way, it likes to mute the line when you stop talking, so sometimes the beginnings of words are cut off. I've found that's Its a good solution to run a midrange frequency softly in the background to keep the connection open at all times (2600hz works pretty well, ironically :)



    Amber Yuan (--ell7)

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    1. Re:dialpad.. by gregj · · Score: 1

      It says in the FAQ they only support winblows and are currently developing for other platforms.

    2. Re:dialpad.. by friedo · · Score: 2

      i believe Dialpad uses Windows-specific java extensions; thus making it incompatible with anything else and defeating the whole purpose of Java. Oh well. :)

  235. I didn't say it was a bad thing. by addison · · Score: 1
    You make it sound like the student utilizations of the network is a bad thing.

    No, I said it wasn't negligible - which seems to be the opinion expressed by many, and that the university has no right to restrict the students bandwidth.

    Its not a bad thing, its not a good thing. Its a thing, and has to be measured versus other metrics.

    But who is paying for it? Do college administrators honestly expect students to just pay tuition and fees and not use any school resources?

    I don't know what they expect - but they have to balance demands across all the resources. And tey have to take into account such contracts and restrictions.

    Given the attitude of the administration at Clemson and other schools, this out of this world attitude is the norm for all institutions of higher learning.

    First, as I pointed out (and you didn't refute, or address), this may be a contractual issue, as well. So it may well also be a forced issue - not one of merely what students are using resources. Secondly, if its the norm for all of them, then its hardly out of the world, is it? :)

    Addison

  236. Slightly OT, but... by jesser · · Score: 2
    What are the best programs for voice over the internet, and what are the best services for internet-to-phone? How much bandwidth is necessary on each end in order for the sound quality and latency to be tolerable?

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  237. Re:And if that doesn't work...! by Monkey-Man · · Score: 1

    I am presently attending Clemson, and I just wanted to point out that the President has just recently become President. The address that was stated above was his former home address, not that of the university mansion. I don't know of the mansion's address offhand but I believe it is on College Ave.

  238. Re:GETTING AROUND THE BLOCK- Moderate this up by Clem3Frank · · Score: 1

    hey, moderate this up, this is good info right here

  239. Re:This is _very_ constitutional. by Stonehand · · Score: 1

    A T3 and a standard phone service provide different guarantees.

    Can you be sure that your packets are sent with a regular, non-bursty lag, in-order? Or that your connection quality won't suddenly be impacted by somebody transferring a couple of GB of data for a research project? Or that, in turn, your own connections aren't increasing somebody else's latency?

    Supposedly the bandwidth requirements for this service in question aren't too high -- but they do have to measure that to quantify this suspicion.

    And, as somebody who's had packets routed to Hell and back -- from Netrek w/ 25% packet loss, to e-mail delayed for a week, to an e-mail meant for me popping up in the inbox of a stranger on a different continent -- I'm not too trusting of the *reliability* of that T3. Heck, the network here has problems rather frequently, and they're not all because some schmo decides it'd be a hoot to flood our network. Hand me that phone, will ya?

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  240. Re:Dormitories are not the real world. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, I am not an expert on anti-trust law, but Clemson's plan smells like a "tie-in" arrangement. In other words, one good or service (living on campus) is "tied" to another (using university phone service). One can debate the morality of "tie-ins", but American law provides that many such arrangements are unlawful.

  241. Re:legality vs. constittionality. by artdodge · · Score: 1
    This can be made a consitutional issue, however. Specifically, there is the question of whether Federal telecommunications law applies in this case. As mentioned by other posters, the FTA explicitly prohibits any telephone carrier from blocking access to alternate long-distance carriers. It could be argued that this internet service IS an alternate long-distance carrier, even though the local media is not a local telephone trunk; the distinctions between data and voice communications are small and shrinking (from a technical AND legal perspective), so this is a tricky spot on current case law. Clemson has certainly run afoul of the SPIRIT of the law; what remains to be seen is whether they may possibly have run afoul of the LETTER of the law.

    So I see two fundamental questions at stake:

    1. Are equal-access regulations constitutional?
    2. To what extent do we wish to have telecommunications precedent applied not only to internet connectivity, but content and application as well?
    Practical questions Clemson students should be asking in the meantime:
    1. Does Clemson's contract with their upstream internet provider impose some restrictions which forced this move?
    2. Are those restrictions legal and appropriate, and does the situation at hand actually fall CLEARLY outside the boundaries of said restriction, or is this "preventative law"?
    3. Do students have any contracts or other official university documents outlining the terms of service they are offered/guaranteed? Do the university's actions run afoul of those terms?
    4. Do any terms of said agreement run afoul of any local, state, or federal laws concerning telecommunications and/or information services?
    Anyway, just a few pence on the matter...
  242. Bandwidth? by Signal+11 · · Score: 1
    Yeah.. most of these sites take up about 10kb/s. Compare this with the average downloader of pr0n, mp3s, or large movies.

    Yeah... it's really about the long distance. Let's just make it MORE expensive to live on campus! *groan*

    Can someone explain why colleges are banning all this stuff left and right - seemingly without rhyme or reason? It's as if AOL's "guides" descended into academia and took over....

  243. Re:GETTING AROUND THE BLOCK: Moderate Me Up by BMJORDAN · · Score: 1

    Everybody at Clemson needs to know their are ways to foil the Universities plan. This site shows users how to easily set a proxy in order to reach Dialpad to spite DCIT's wishes. Real computer geeky stuff in the spirit of Slashdot!

  244. I have heard this works well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  245. Universities, Internet, and Terrorists by Insanik · · Score: 1

    The University/Internet scene seems to be heating up. What do you think will happen when the Whittier administration finds out that a terrorist is masterminding the college newspaper site.

    Just for kicks :)

  246. Re:NATALIE waaaaaaa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    actually no

    i like the petrified stuff, but this last troll was not funny

    boring more like

  247. This is _very_ constitutional. by Magic+Snail · · Score: 3

    There is no issue here on constitutionality. What amendment does it break? The 1st? The 4th? It breaks none of these. When you sign a housing contract -- be it with a university, apartment complex, whatever -- you explicitly agree to all the conditions therein. Now, I go to a university (Cal Poly) that is extremely lax in its network usage policies, yet to live on-campus, I still had to sign a contract that said I would abide by them. I suspect all universities have an "unnecessary bandwidth usage" clause that gives them plenty of breathing room. Wake up, folks; This isn't an "outrage", this is business, and while I think that's probably taking it a bit to the extreme, it's perfectly within their right -- and best interest -- to enstate such a policy. Now, having said that, I for one am still glad I live on a campus that gives us T-3 access, Mountain Dew, and long-distance for $.11 a minute.


    1. Re:This is _very_ constitutional. by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

      so forcing people to pay for a service that they can get for free by censoring websites is constitutional? Somehow I seriously doubt that.

      Somehow I seriously doubt that you have ever read any part of the Constitution or the Bill of Rights.

      The First Amendment starts "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of...."

      This means Congress cannot make a law limiting the freedom of speech. Every private enterprise is free to do as they deem fit.

      It doesn't mean I have to run your letter in my newspaper - I am free to censor or exert any control over it's contents as I deem fit.

      Nowhere does it say that the Chancellors of Clemson University or anyone else has to let someone use it's facilities to enable a business that is in competition with it's own economic interests.

  248. 7-11! by Stoutlimb · · Score: 1

    yeah

  249. And if that doesn't work...! by / · · Score: 2

    Write to his local bagel shop:
    Corner Bagel Shop
    405 College Ave, Clemson, SC 29631-1421
    Phone: (864)654-0045


    Or write his local grocer:
    Plez U Food Store
    233 Pendleton Rd, Clemson, SC 29631-2907
    (864) 654-0045


    Or write his local gas station:
    Cartee's Shell
    219 Pendleton Rd, Clemson, SC 29631-2212
    (863) 654-5334


    This issue is just too important not to be truly thorough!

    As for singling people out and posting their home addresses on the internet, perhaps it would be more prudent not to do so. When he starts getting death threats and package bombs, how will that sit with your conscience?

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  250. Why not write to Technical Services directly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Technical Servics
    11 Tower Road
    Clemson, SC 29631
    Telephone: (864) 657-3313

  251. don't you just love mercentilism? by jburroug · · Score: 1

    Ahh this reaks of the same type of protectionist policies governments all of the world throughout time have laid down upon the helpless consumers in search of lower prices through free markets. On the bright side at least clemson is being honest about why are they are blocking access. I personally was waiting for the arcticle to mention either "protecting the childern" or "preventing piracy" instead they merely gave a real weak cover (bandwidth) and then quickly admitted to pure old greed, it's nice to see honesty in authority figures for a change.

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  252. This is a troll, moderate down. by VValdo · · Score: 1

    The same bozo linking to that dumb-ass don knotts page.


    But seriously, couldn't some kind of proxy be set up to get around this kind of a block?

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  253. heh... by zztzed · · Score: 5

    The article says they banned funphone.com too... of course, funphone.com is a very elaborate joke...

  254. Oh, come on by Craig+Davison · · Score: 1

    When compressed, streaming voice data needs like 6-8 kbps. That's less than an average IRC session in a busy channel will cost you.

    To say that this will put a strain on bandwidth is absurd.

    1. Re:Oh, come on by SPautz · · Score: 1

      especially since we've got an OC3 connection on campus..... the servers suck BIG TIME, though.... that miniscule bit might actually be enough to bring them down, lol. :)

  255. dialpad lets you call people **w/o** computers by Smack · · Score: 1

    "The point is that with Dialpad.com and such you can call people and talk to them on their regular phone from your computer. " - The AC who was moderated into oblivion below.

  256. *Yawn* Another pathetic attempt to stop the future by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

    We see this stuff all the time. It is the Slashdot theme. The Internet (notice, capitalized) theme. Some organization tries to block some new technology, and inevitably fails. One day, they will learn you cannot stop the future. Let me clarify:

    1) Will they stop ALL the internet phone services as they come out?
    2) How about stopping cell phones?
    3) And if I decide to provide a proxy that accesses the service, will they ban proxies? Or will they ban my site?
    4) So then when a student wants to report on internet phone services for their e-commerce paper, or thesis: Do they ban the student, the class, or the thesis?

    None of these examples are outragous. They are really quite reasonable! The ban they have is a single plausable event. But the concept, philosphy behind what they are doing cannot last. There are too many holes.

    And Just to put a nice positive spin in this, let me give you some other examples of this concept, that will die for similar reasons:
    1) The new "magical" copy protection on audio CDs
    2) Encryption to prevent copying DVDs
    3) Holding up mp3 players in court
    4) Schools and libraries filtering Internet content.

    You cannot stop technology. You must EVOLVE it, or USE it. :)

  257. Dormitories are not the real world. by blicero · · Score: 2

    I know, I am asking to be flamed here, but I think that Clemson, or any university, has perfectly legitimate rights in dictating proper and improper uses of the university network. Even to the extent that this means giving them the tools to wield monopolistic powers. After all, they own the cables, they pay the carriers, they staff the support centers, and so on.

    I think it is easy to forget that students living in dormitories effectively lose certain rights, that people living in the real world keep; but they get certain privileges that us outworlders don't have. I don't have to show an ID to get into my apartment, nor am I prevented from smoking or drinking, nor am I prevented from having my girlfriend over. On the other hand, I don't have a guaranteed place to live, I don't have a cafeteria in my basement, and I don't have free or nearly-free high-bandwidth internet access. It is perfectly consistent for limitations to be placed on access through the university network.

    This is probably a bad analogy, but here goes anyway: The university library contains a "special collections" department, that is only open during the day, where rare and fragile books are kept. They are open to the university population, but under specific use and access guidelines. Is this censorship because it prevents, for example, a student from picking up a draft copy of "Ulysses", walking out with it and making paper airplanes?

    Unless Clemson advertised "unrestricted internet use" in brochures for prospective students, or included such language in their residency-hall agreements, they are completely within their rights. Perhaps they are acting foolishly (which is probably true), but not badly.

  258. winipcfg by elegant7x · · Score: 1

    winipcfg.exe is the answer to all your questions! Well, at least some of them. And I don't know if its for NT or not. It tells you the IP address, DNS servers, Gateways, everything. You could probably use nmap to look for boxes that can function as gateways, Its a linux/unix program, though.

    I don't know if that will solve your problems though.

    Amber Yuan (--ell7)

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    "and dear god does this website suck now." -- CmdrTaco
    1. Re:winipcfg by jawad · · Score: 2

      Windows2000 user says : "its 'ipconfig'."

  259. WASTE them points, cunts. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net -- I hate this guy and want him to be picked up by any and all bots. Feel free to add him to pr0n mailing lists.
    g

  260. Fucking BLOW ME moderators. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    THREE times, Mr. McDonald.6

    This is an attempt to take advantage of the utter idiocy seen daily by moderators.

    Problems:
    + Moderators spend points on marking down offtopic posts when they could spend them on marking up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net -- I hate this guy and want him to be picked up by any and all bots. Feel free to add him to pr0n mailing lists.
    f

  261. Blow me, fucking dipshit moderators. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    THREE times, Mr. McDonald.5

    This is an attempt to take advantage of the utter idiocy seen daily by moderators.

    Problems:
    + Moderators spend points on marking down offtopic posts when they could spend them on marking up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net -- I hate this guy and want him to be picked up by any and all bots. Feel free to add him to pr0n mailing lists.
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  262. So? by Anonynous+Coward · · Score: 1
    This is news for people that go to Clemson. This is not news for the rest of us nerds.

    There's nothing really "evil" about this. You DO have the choice of not living on campus. Or, alternatively, you can live on campus and get your own ISP access seperate from the school's network.

  263. States' Rights: The 10th Amendment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have you ever heard of Federalism? Even the Supreme Court is now, after more than two hundred years, finally coming to recognize the undeniable fact that the States are sovereign entities which have voluntarily entered into the Union, which retain the right to nullify any of its acts, and which may leave it at any time.

    The Federal Government has almost no legal existence.

    The Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America
    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.


    What this means is that the States are, first and foremost, the representatives of the people. All rights, by default unless otherwise specified, devolve upon the States -- or, at their discretion, to their own citizens. The States are the guardians of liberty. When their rights are trampled upon, all rights are trampled upon. Clemson University has, perhaps, more right than any other entity on Earth to do as it pleases, since it is an arm of one of the final repositories of all just and legitimate authority in the world.

    Then again, a sniggering fool like you would probably reject that argument out of hand, on the grounds that the Constitution is "outmoded" or "irrelevant". "It's all relative!", the liberals cry, but they're wrong. Nothing is relative. Reality is grounded in absolutes, and if they'd ever had a decent education (anything but "liberal arts"), they'd grasp that simple fact.

  264. It is still here. Moderate up! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  265. Academic Uses... by ca1v1n · · Score: 2

    Ok, so Dialpad's service is not primarily academic, but it sure could be. Consider a recent judgement by a Virginia court that said that state employees could not be categorically barred from viewing pornographic materials, since this could prevent professors at public universities from viewing any manner of art or historical evidence that might be inappropriate in the eyes of some regulator. Granted, that was a case where the policy was much too broad, and I doubt the court would object to a broad, but not complete, ban on sites that are unquestionably pornographic, and have no academic relevance (basically anything with XXX in the meta.) I believe that may have been a state court ruling, but I think it was based on national law.

    In this case, Dialpad does have clear academic uses, and less questionable ones than playboy.com. In addition, many university students live on campus, and getting internet access elsewhere is out of the question. While the University has the right to screen out whatever it wants, to limit access to any site that is not patently illegal is a terrible violation of the spirit of freedom that has made most university campuses such an exciting place to live. (Though personally, I don't think that universities should be in the business of censorship at all.)

    You have to give them credit though, because at least they admit that they're trying to protect their own telecommunications funding. Still, they'd probably save the students a lot of money by charging them the extra money needed for the switchboard, the campus locator, and the emergency phones, and letting them use a more cost-efficient method of communication.

    Just because it's legal, doesn't make it right.

  266. why'd you bother trolling this deep? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    huh?

    1. Re:why'd you bother trolling this deep? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      I can only proofread so fast. If I rush to hit the "Submit" button, errors creep in and it sucks. I don't know about you, Mr. Smart-Ass AC, but I, for one, haven't totally abandoned QUALITY as a watchword here on God's Earth. The Unions and the Big-Government Liberals only care about grabbing a handout and getting along on the path of least resistance, but I happen to take pride in my work and I don't care to post anything shoddy or imperfect. I refuse to click the "Submit" button until what I've written is absolutely the best I can produce. And then I submit it with pride, knowing I have given all I have to give.

      For that reason, it takes a little longer for me to post, and sometimes I'm pretty far down the page. That's a damn shame, but there's no help for it. Somebody usually bites anyhow.

      Or by "deep" do you mean the post you responded to being a couple of levels down? Well, golly, I was responding to the guy who replied to my initial post. It's only polite, innit? And he gave me one hell of a fine hook to hang a Bill o' Rights rant on, too.


  267. Fuck you moderates. Blow me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    THREE times, Mr. McDonald.3

    This is an attempt to take advantage of the utter idiocy seen daily by moderators.

    Problems:
    + Moderators spend points on marking down offtopic posts when they could spend them on marking up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net -- I hate this guy and want him to be picked up by any and all bots. Feel free to add him to pr0n mailing lists.
    c

  268. Blow me moderates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    THREE times, Mr. McDonald.2

    This is an attempt to take advantage of the utter idiocy seen daily by moderators.

    Problems:
    + Moderators spend points on marking down offtopic posts when they could spend them on marking up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net -- I hate this guy and want him to be picked up by any and all bots. Feel free to add him to pr0n mailing lists.
    b

  269. FUCK the moderators. And blow me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    THREE times, Mr. McDonald.4

    This is an attempt to take advantage of the utter idiocy seen daily by moderators.

    Problems:
    + Moderators spend points on marking down offtopic posts when they could spend them on marking up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net -- I hate this guy and want him to be picked up by any and all bots. Feel free to add him to pr0n mailing lists.
    d

  270. Fucking moderators can blow me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    THREE times, Mr. McDonald.1

    This is an attempt to take advantage of the utter idiocy seen daily by moderators.

    Problems:
    + Moderators spend points on marking down offtopic posts when they could spend them on marking up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net -- I hate this guy and want him to be picked up by any and all bots. Feel free to add him to pr0n mailing lists.
    a

  271. WASTE them points, cunts. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    THREE times, Mr. McDonald.78

    This is an attempt to take advantage of the utter idiocy seen daily by moderators.

    Problems:
    + Moderators spend points on marking down offtopic posts when they could spend them on marking up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net -- I hate this guy and want him to be picked up by any and all bots. Feel free to add him to pr0n mailing lists.
    g

  272. Fucking BLOW ME moderators. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    THREE times, Mr. McDonald.67

    This is an attempt to take advantage of the utter idiocy seen daily by moderators.

    Problems:
    + Moderators spend points on marking down offtopic posts when they could spend them on marking up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net -- I hate this guy and want him to be picked up by any and all bots. Feel free to add him to pr0n mailing lists.
    f

  273. FUCK the moderators. And blow me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    THREE times, Mr. McDonald.45

    This is an attempt to take advantage of the utter idiocy seen daily by moderators.

    Problems:
    + Moderators spend points on marking down offtopic posts when they could spend them on marking up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net -- I hate this guy and want him to be picked up by any and all bots. Feel free to add him to pr0n mailing lists.
    d

  274. Blow me, fucking dipshit moderators. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    THREE times, Mr. McDonald.56

    This is an attempt to take advantage of the utter idiocy seen daily by moderators.

    Problems:
    + Moderators spend points on marking down offtopic posts when they could spend them on marking up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net -- I hate this guy and want him to be picked up by any and all bots. Feel free to add him to pr0n mailing lists.
    e

  275. Blow me moderates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    THREE times, Mr. McDonald.23

    This is an attempt to take advantage of the utter idiocy seen daily by moderators.

    Problems:
    + Moderators spend points on marking down offtopic posts when they could spend them on marking up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net -- I hate this guy and want him to be picked up by any and all bots. Feel free to add him to pr0n mailing lists.
    b

  276. Charge more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you're going to go for that, charge the students $500/quarter for Internet access.. these kids are usually used to getting raped anyway, they'll never notice it. What is that, one credit hour MAYBE? ;-)

  277. Fuck you moderates. Blow me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    THREE times, Mr. McDonald.34

    This is an attempt to take advantage of the utter idiocy seen daily by moderators.

    Problems:
    + Moderators spend points on marking down offtopic posts when they could spend them on marking up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net -- I hate this guy and want him to be picked up by any and all bots. Feel free to add him to pr0n mailing lists.
    c

  278. Fucking moderators can blow me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    THREE times, Mr. McDonald.12

    This is an attempt to take advantage of the utter idiocy seen daily by moderators.

    Problems:
    + Moderators spend points on marking down offtopic posts when they could spend them on marking up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net -- I hate this guy and want him to be picked up by any and all bots. Feel free to add him to pr0n mailing lists.
    a

  279. Fucking moderators can blow me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    THREE times, Mr. McDonald.
    Twenty-eight mother fucking points down the drain, and you bet your ass there's another 28 coming in the next article. In fact, you should probably expect a fuck of a lot more than 28 next time.

    This is an attempt to take advantage of the utter idiocy seen daily by moderators.

    Problems:
    + Moderators spend points on marking down offtopic posts when they could spend them on marking up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net -- I hate this guy and want him to be picked up by any and all bots. Feel free to add him to pr0n mailing lists.
    gk

  280. Blow me moderates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    THREE times, Mr. McDonald.
    Twenty-eight mother fucking points down the drain, and you bet your ass there's another 28 coming in the next article. In fact, you should probably expect a fuck of a lot more than 28 next time.

    This is an attempt to take advantage of the utter idiocy seen daily by moderators.

    Problems:
    + Moderators spend points on marking down offtopic posts when they could spend them on marking up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net -- I hate this guy and want him to be picked up by any and all bots. Feel free to add him to pr0n mailing lists.
    ghj

  281. If they are concerned about bandwidth... by Leebert · · Score: 1

    Think of it this way. If more students use Internet sites to make telephone calls, then it stands to reason that students will be making LESS telephone calls over the campus telephone network. As such, their peak call volumes will be lower, and they can remove some channels from their PSTN trunks. Or, even better, take some of the channels and dedicate them to Internet bandwidth to compensate. When we're talking PBX's and Internet, it's all ones and zeros anyhow. As a matter of fact, it's MORE efficient to use IP for telephone than a dedicated 64kbps B-channel. (My personal opinion: It is the university's right to choose. It may not be a good choice, but it is their choice.)

  282. Fuck you moderates. Blow me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    THREE times, Mr. McDonald.
    Twenty-eight mother fucking points down the drain, and you bet your ass there's another 28 coming in the next article. In fact, you should probably expect a fuck of a lot more than 28 next time.

    This is an attempt to take advantage of the utter idiocy seen daily by moderators.

    Problems:
    + Moderators spend points on marking down offtopic posts when they could spend them on marking up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net -- I hate this guy and want him to be picked up by any and all bots. Feel free to add him to pr0n mailing lists.
    g9

  283. For your sake . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    I hope you don't have a car. Parking in Cambridge just went from bad to fucking nightmarish with this damned snow. I finally wedged myself into a spot tonight, then I looked back and realized I hadn't left much room for the car behind me to get out, so I tried to move forward a foot or so -- errr, nope. Spin, spin. Stuck, for fuck's sake. Oh, hell, at least it's close to my apartment :) Still, I feel bad for the unknown person I may have parked in. Of course, hey, this is Cambridge. S/he will have no damned qualms at all about ramming the hell out of my rear bumper while getting loose.

    On the way to that mess, I went by the spot I shoveled out on Tuesday or whenever the snow fell . . . Damn, that was a beautiful spot. Right on the end of a row, on a side streed in front of that music school on Concord Ave. I really shoveled it out well, too. It was a winner. I hope the swine in the silver Volvo likes my damned spot. Arrgghh, I hope he chokes on it, the bastard.

  284. FUCK the moderators. And blow me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    THREE times, Mr. McDonald.
    Twenty-eight mother fucking points down the drain, and you bet your ass there's another 28 coming in the next article. In fact, you should probably expect a fuck of a lot more than 28 next time.

    This is an attempt to take advantage of the utter idiocy seen daily by moderators.

    Problems:
    + Moderators spend points on marking down offtopic posts when they could spend them on marking up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net -- I hate this guy and want him to be picked up by any and all bots. Feel free to add him to pr0n mailing lists.
    g7

  285. Fucking BLOW ME moderators. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    THREE times, Mr. McDonald.
    Twenty-eight mother fucking points down the drain, and you bet your ass there's another 28 coming in the next article. In fact, you should probably expect a fuck of a lot more than 28 next time.

    This is an attempt to take advantage of the utter idiocy seen daily by moderators.

    Problems:
    + Moderators spend points on marking down offtopic posts when they could spend them on marking up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net -- I hate this guy and want him to be picked up by any and all bots. Feel free to add him to pr0n mailing lists.
    g2

  286. Blow me, fucking dipshit moderators. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    THREE times, Mr. McDonald.
    Twenty-eight mother fucking points down the drain, and you bet your ass there's another 28 coming in the next article. In fact, you should probably expect a fuck of a lot more than 28 next time.

    This is an attempt to take advantage of the utter idiocy seen daily by moderators.

    Problems:
    + Moderators spend points on marking down offtopic posts when they could spend them on marking up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net -- I hate this guy and want him to be picked up by any and all bots. Feel free to add him to pr0n mailing lists.
    g3

  287. WASTE them points, cunts. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    THREE times, Mr. McDonald.1
    Twenty-eight mother fucking points down the drain, and you bet your ass there's another 28 coming in the next article. In fact, you should probably expect a fuck of a lot more than 28 next time.

    This is an attempt to take advantage of the utter idiocy seen daily by moderators.

    Problems:
    + Moderators spend points on marking down offtopic posts when they could spend them on marking up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net up useful posts.
    - Result? Useful posts are neglected, including AC (0 - default) posts. For those who browse at 1 or higher, many useful posts are left unseen.

    + Moderators are morons
    - Result? Spam like this.

    Solution:

    There's several ideas floating around, but for the time being I feel it's time for the stupidity of the moderaters to be abused excessively until someone does something about it.

    - Q
    cy7@w-link.net -- I hate this guy and want him to be picked up by any and all bots. Feel free to add him to pr0n mailing lists.
    g