So you'd like to live in a world where people with degrees and marketable skills make a lot of money and everyone else makes barely enough to survive? Because fuck 'em?
That's what you get for always demanding a dog-eat-dog system where any form of social net has been demonized as "communism" or some imbecilic shit like that. All that you see here, that's chickens coming home to roost.
On, and by the way, that was a non-sequitur. Just stop.
So you'd like to live in a world where people with degrees and marketable skills make a lot of money and everyone else makes barely enough to survive? Because fuck 'em?
That's what you get for always demanding a dog-eat-dog system where any form of social net has been demonized as "communism" or some imbecilic shit like that. All that you see here, that's chickens coming home to roost.
Sure, sure. We can all get PhDs and the toilets will clean themselves.
For once, think a little.
Spoken like one unable to adapt. To adapt you do not require to have a Ph.D. All those idiots that cry foul in steel/coal country, fuck, they could have learned something in the last 15 years or leave their economically depressed areas. Instead they blame the Chinese (who make up their own steel and coal) or Mexican picking strawberries 2000 miles west in California.
Have you seen an unemployed handyman? A poor plumber or electrician? A HVAC technician?
Even during the real estate crash, there was work if you had a trade.
The guy who cleaned my pool was a humble handyman, but man he worked his ass off, working long hours doing residential and commercial pool cleaning. And the job is quite simple actually. But guess what? He makes a shitload of money enough to support his family, help his grandchildren and has spare change to support his Harley Davidson hobbies.
The guy who used to cut my grass ran (still runs) a "Christian" landscaping service (good family guy, very humble.) He is able to support his family doing nothing but cutting grass.
Times are hard, but they aren't the apocalypse. Just because times are hard that does not mean you will not get what you put in. It's not like we are in a 3rd world shantytown with nothing but garbage cans to peruse for valuables or something.
>> He wants to ban all Muslims from entering the US.
Will you stop spreading this tired bit of propaganda? He merely wants to stop the flow of people from Muslim countries _with may of which we're de-facto at war_
My point is that companies shouldn't get involved either way. Once you start worrying about "diversity" and irrelevant stuff like that you are dead. Just avoid the issue and don't respond.
I agree. As much as I detest Trump, I have to agree with this.
the question is whether someone who promotes opposition to gender and racial equality should be allowed to serve as a steward for a company whose stated mission is to connect the world.
Ok...I'm not the biggest Trump fan, hell, I con't care for either one of them...
But with all that Trump has said or promoted, I've not seen yet where he came out to promote the agenda that is against equality in matters of gender and race.
Has Thiel himself come out for these views against equality? If so, I missed that.
Trump has said a lot of stupid shit, but I've not heard him yet say he was against racial or gender equality.
He fucking suggested a sitting judge is incapable of doing his job because of his parents' ethnic background. He spent years denouncing Obama as a Kenyan (which is false) or a Muslim (as if that was a disqualifying factor.) If you don't see that as an attack on equality, God help you.
With that said, Thiel can support whoever he wants. He is a piece of shit, but that's his right. And I feel a bit sorry for Zuckerberg (just a bit) for having to pen that letter. He and his company is getting pulled in a political quagmire they didn't ask to be part of to begin with.
Donald Trump is a perfect example of the modern American executive class who works endless hours yet doesn't produce anything of any value except bullying his employees from one financial disaster to another.
The article only discusses hours worked per capita. That means countries with high unemployment rates like Italy and France have a lower hours worked metric; productivity is entirely different.
One can assume that total output in such countries is lower than the full potential if their unemployment rates were lower. So I would think using total hours worked per capita would still level out (it is still inaccurate, though.)
True. It also doesn't take into account the quality of work done. It might just mean Europeans are 25% more efficient.
European countries and cultures are just too variable to make that assumption. Norway is not the same as Germany which is not the same as France which is not the same as Italy which is not the same as Greece which is not the same as Romania and so on and so on.
maybe not so much the taking of the actual-call as the standing up and leaving the theatre bit. i.e. Someone being sensitive of their environment but still realising that "it's only a film".
There is a point where sensitivity turns into entitlement stupidity. If I didn't want anything in my surroundings to bother me, I would just watch TV at home. People get up to pee, get a drink and shit like that. Ain't the end of the world except for the incredibly uptight and borderline sociopath.
Have you seen modern OSes? New release of some Linux distro, please wait several DAYS while we recompile everything on some 64 core monster with 1TiB of memory and all SSDs to create an image. Same difference.
I was thinking the same thing. I have worked in large C and C++ (no templates, and limited inheritance) code bases for telecom. Millions of LOCs. We tried everything (unity builds, precompiled headers, etc) and still, compiling was a day-long effort.
This is no different from extremely large code bases. The project I work on, it's a day-long effort to build and release everything.
It's not sloppy project setup. Large code bases simply a lot of time and hardware resources to build and release.
And for a long time we have simply assumed this is just a suck we have to deal with... which was fine until general code bases started to explode in size (about 15-20 years ago).
Go attempts to solve that problem explicitly. Time will tell if the trade-offs (whatever they are) are compensated by the added value of speeding up build/release times on very large code bases.
> while waiting for a C++ compile job. (Google's build times are frequently measured in hours.)
If you're waiting hours for a C++ build you're doing it wrong.
There is the concept of an unity / "bulk build" where you compile one.cpp file that includes _all_ the other soures. Compilation takes minutes.
The downside is that if you want to make a single change you need to do a full recompilation.
Also, don't do insane things with templates. Also don't include more headers than you need to. Also use compiler cache.
I'm pretty sure the smart people at Google didn't get any of those memos, but hey, let's do the ADHD thing and implement a whole new language platform with a whole new library ecosystem. Because, you know, maintaining more stuff is so much fun, everybody loves doing it.
What I'd suggest... sure, implement a new syntax frontend if that floats your boat, but make it a frontend to the usual tool chain, and use the standard libraries except where there is a compelling reason to do otherwise. If there are bottlenecks in the standard tool chain then attack them. But don't mind me, sorry if it makes sense. I understand how NIH is so much more fun.
Everything you mentioned was already covered by Google's C++ style guidelines for years.
I looked for use cases a while back and couldn't find anything except crawlers.
I hate how easily programmers jump on a bandwagon.
Platform, systems and tool development. It's a really nice language that feels very high level and yet allows you to build a binary. It has its quirks and it is not perfect, but it seems to blend the best of native compilation with what we expect on rich, high level languages with garbage collectors.
I know of a few companies exploring (or using) Go to facilitate development of PaaS and IaaS solutions. I am not sure, however, if I would use it for application development as done in Java or C# however.
That depends entirely upon how much you're being paid to be on call 24/7. To use an old expression, "every man has his price," and if you're being paid enough to feasibly retire in a short timespan on the earnings, it sort of changes the economics of the matter. -PCP
Bingo. I wouldn't do a 24/7 on-call job again, but I did that once in IT. Those were 5 grueling years, but they paid well and served me well. They also got me (temporarily) out of being a developer and to see all the other important shit that goes around development.
I became a much better developer because of it. Now with children, I wouldn't do it... unless I have a need for a job or if the pay is so spectacular that I could sacrifice 3-4 years plowing at it to create a greater safety net with which to provide (and protect) my family.
The previous OP, just because a choice was made that doesn't fit the shallow pigeonholes of your world view, that does not rob them of legitimacy. Shut your mouth and learn to walk other people's shoes for a change.
If you are on call 24/7, you really need to re-evaluate your life choices...
Maybe a person who works as a heart surgeon or trauma specialist has made a specific life choice. Did that person do the wrong choice in becoming a heart surgeon or trauma specialist?
and like on-call Doctors who couldn't care less if they're ruining the end of "Star Wars" for you because they have to go and err you know? save-a-life.
That's why vibration mode is for, the very thing that has existed for years and that movie theaters reminds you off at the beginning of every single movie.
Maybe you just don't understand the similarities in your haste to point out the differences.
The only similarity is that video recording take place. The context in which these two occur are so vastly different that the similarities are irrelevant.
Wait, so it's ok to set the rules so that working folks might not be able to vote, but requiring ID is "rayciss!"
So you're completely unable to comprehend the part about requiring employers to give each employee one of the two days off?
Methinks you are not quite the "maker" you believe.
Herein is the problem. Voting day should be on a weekend, or a mandatory holiday for a) non-exempt employees that are b) not in the civil service and that c) work on a day shift.
But we don't because we are stupid and like to complicate shit more than what it should be.
Because there still would be lots of people who can not get a random Tuesday off. They also tend to be the same people who currently have difficulty fitting in waiting in a multi-hour line to vote on a random Tuesday.
If we're going the holiday route, make the election Saturday and Sunday, and require employers to give at least one of those days off (So if you work Saturday, you are off Sunday and vice-versa). Should make it possible for almost everyone to fit in one day or the other. And the extra day would hopefully spread out the load that mysteriously surprises election officials in the certain places over and over again.
Which is why Voting day should be on a fucking weekend, or a mandatory holiday for anyone not in the civil services with a 9-5 job, or at least how we have it in my county (Broward, FL), early voting with a span that includes two weekends prior to voting day.
Since voting day is Novermber 8, I for one would have preferred that, nationally, early voting was mandatory (including two weekends). That's plenty for anyone interested in voting. Perhaps in some poorer (or more remote) areas, early voting should start on a Saturday, and span two more weekends.
If you are voting in person, and if fraud is pretty much non-existing (as it has been despite all the hooplah), I do not see what the problem is with extended early voting other than funding of extended hours for civil servants. Beyond that, the only reason to oppose it is to prevent certain classes of people from voting. Period.
Pick the biggest screwups you can find, figure out how they screw up the most, don't let those shitty practices screw things up anymore.
Now you can argue it is "wrong" that blacks were identified as the most likely to fuck up a ballot but I'd want to see some hard data because at every election there is always some old black lady who went to the wrong polling place, and the local get out the vote dems throw her in a car and take her to the right one.
Well, I want to see some hard data corroborating each and every incident of this hypothetical old black lady thrown in a car by dems to get her to the right one. Otherwise, you are just making up shit out of your ass, sir.
Probably because it is a country's duty to first support its own citizens. Otherwise, what is a country?
The US has developed a culture where such a government is impossible. There is no universal health care program and 1 out of 3 public schools is dysfunctional. But the general theme is that gubmint is bad don't tread on me nimby blah blah and anyone trying to move into a direction that can make these problems fixable has been shot down as a commie.
So the lesson for you, if you live in the US, is this: be nimble and adaptable, plan around the fact that you are replaceable, and hone your skills to change directions quickly, be good to others and cultivate your professional network (which you will need at some point) because nobody in the government and society outside of your closest social circles is going to fucking help you.
Another lesson: save and take trips to countries like Germany or Japan, which are still capable of being productive while taking care of its people. It will open your eyes like a motherfucker on how deficient and 3rd-worldish the US is in some important areas.
The more people realize this, perhaps the better the chance of actually fixing things around here.
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So you'd like to live in a world where people with degrees and marketable skills make a lot of money and everyone else makes barely enough to survive? Because fuck 'em?
That's what you get for always demanding a dog-eat-dog system where any form of social net has been demonized as "communism" or some imbecilic shit like that. All that you see here, that's chickens coming home to roost.
On, and by the way, that was a non-sequitur. Just stop.
So you'd like to live in a world where people with degrees and marketable skills make a lot of money and everyone else makes barely enough to survive? Because fuck 'em?
That's what you get for always demanding a dog-eat-dog system where any form of social net has been demonized as "communism" or some imbecilic shit like that. All that you see here, that's chickens coming home to roost.
Sure, sure. We can all get PhDs and the toilets will clean themselves.
For once, think a little.
Spoken like one unable to adapt. To adapt you do not require to have a Ph.D. All those idiots that cry foul in steel/coal country, fuck, they could have learned something in the last 15 years or leave their economically depressed areas. Instead they blame the Chinese (who make up their own steel and coal) or Mexican picking strawberries 2000 miles west in California.
Have you seen an unemployed handyman? A poor plumber or electrician? A HVAC technician?
Even during the real estate crash, there was work if you had a trade.
The guy who cleaned my pool was a humble handyman, but man he worked his ass off, working long hours doing residential and commercial pool cleaning. And the job is quite simple actually. But guess what? He makes a shitload of money enough to support his family, help his grandchildren and has spare change to support his Harley Davidson hobbies.
The guy who used to cut my grass ran (still runs) a "Christian" landscaping service (good family guy, very humble.) He is able to support his family doing nothing but cutting grass.
Times are hard, but they aren't the apocalypse. Just because times are hard that does not mean you will not get what you put in. It's not like we are in a 3rd world shantytown with nothing but garbage cans to peruse for valuables or something.
>> He wants to ban all Muslims from entering the US.
Will you stop spreading this tired bit of propaganda? He merely wants to stop the flow of people from Muslim countries _with may of which we're de-facto at war_
In other words, all of them.
My point is that companies shouldn't get involved either way. Once you start worrying about "diversity" and irrelevant stuff like that you are dead. Just avoid the issue and don't respond.
I agree. As much as I detest Trump, I have to agree with this.
Ok...I'm not the biggest Trump fan, hell, I con't care for either one of them...
But with all that Trump has said or promoted, I've not seen yet where he came out to promote the agenda that is against equality in matters of gender and race.
Has Thiel himself come out for these views against equality? If so, I missed that.
Trump has said a lot of stupid shit, but I've not heard him yet say he was against racial or gender equality.
He fucking suggested a sitting judge is incapable of doing his job because of his parents' ethnic background. He spent years denouncing Obama as a Kenyan (which is false) or a Muslim (as if that was a disqualifying factor.) If you don't see that as an attack on equality, God help you.
With that said, Thiel can support whoever he wants. He is a piece of shit, but that's his right. And I feel a bit sorry for Zuckerberg (just a bit) for having to pen that letter. He and his company is getting pulled in a political quagmire they didn't ask to be part of to begin with.
Donald Trump is a perfect example of the modern American executive class who works endless hours yet doesn't produce anything of any value except bullying his employees from one financial disaster to another.
Mod parents up. I'm going to make this a sig.
The article only discusses hours worked per capita. That means countries with high unemployment rates like Italy and France have a lower hours worked metric; productivity is entirely different.
One can assume that total output in such countries is lower than the full potential if their unemployment rates were lower. So I would think using total hours worked per capita would still level out (it is still inaccurate, though.)
True. It also doesn't take into account the quality of work done. It might just mean Europeans are 25% more efficient.
European countries and cultures are just too variable to make that assumption. Norway is not the same as Germany which is not the same as France which is not the same as Italy which is not the same as Greece which is not the same as Romania and so on and so on.
because that's how lefties think. They think politics descends from biology. Sure it's hella bigoted and racist, but that's how they roll.
That's a slogan, not a statement of fact.
Yes, there is actually. By their very definitions.
Not by people on the receiving end of that shit, it is not. That's privilege talking coming from you.
maybe not so much the taking of the actual-call as the standing up and leaving the theatre bit. i.e. Someone being sensitive of their environment but still realising that "it's only a film".
There is a point where sensitivity turns into entitlement stupidity. If I didn't want anything in my surroundings to bother me, I would just watch TV at home. People get up to pee, get a drink and shit like that. Ain't the end of the world except for the incredibly uptight and borderline sociopath.
Have you seen modern OSes? New release of some Linux distro, please wait several DAYS while we recompile everything on some 64 core monster with 1TiB of memory and all SSDs to create an image. Same difference.
I was thinking the same thing. I have worked in large C and C++ (no templates, and limited inheritance) code bases for telecom. Millions of LOCs. We tried everything (unity builds, precompiled headers, etc) and still, compiling was a day-long effort.
This is no different from extremely large code bases. The project I work on, it's a day-long effort to build and release everything.
It's not sloppy project setup. Large code bases simply a lot of time and hardware resources to build and release.
And for a long time we have simply assumed this is just a suck we have to deal with... which was fine until general code bases started to explode in size (about 15-20 years ago).
Go attempts to solve that problem explicitly. Time will tell if the trade-offs (whatever they are) are compensated by the added value of speeding up build/release times on very large code bases.
> while waiting for a C++ compile job. (Google's build times are frequently measured in hours.)
If you're waiting hours for a C++ build you're doing it wrong.
There is the concept of an unity / "bulk build" where you compile one .cpp file that includes _all_ the other soures. Compilation takes minutes.
The downside is that if you want to make a single change you need to do a full recompilation.
Also, don't do insane things with templates. Also don't include more headers than you need to. Also use compiler cache.
I'm pretty sure the smart people at Google didn't get any of those memos, but hey, let's do the ADHD thing and implement a whole new language platform with a whole new library ecosystem. Because, you know, maintaining more stuff is so much fun, everybody loves doing it.
What I'd suggest... sure, implement a new syntax frontend if that floats your boat, but make it a frontend to the usual tool chain, and use the standard libraries except where there is a compelling reason to do otherwise. If there are bottlenecks in the standard tool chain then attack them. But don't mind me, sorry if it makes sense. I understand how NIH is so much more fun.
Everything you mentioned was already covered by Google's C++ style guidelines for years.
I looked for use cases a while back and couldn't find anything except crawlers.
I hate how easily programmers jump on a bandwagon.
Platform, systems and tool development. It's a really nice language that feels very high level and yet allows you to build a binary. It has its quirks and it is not perfect, but it seems to blend the best of native compilation with what we expect on rich, high level languages with garbage collectors.
I know of a few companies exploring (or using) Go to facilitate development of PaaS and IaaS solutions. I am not sure, however, if I would use it for application development as done in Java or C# however.
That depends entirely upon how much you're being paid to be on call 24/7. To use an old expression, "every man has his price," and if you're being paid enough to feasibly retire in a short timespan on the earnings, it sort of changes the economics of the matter. -PCP
Bingo. I wouldn't do a 24/7 on-call job again, but I did that once in IT. Those were 5 grueling years, but they paid well and served me well. They also got me (temporarily) out of being a developer and to see all the other important shit that goes around development.
I became a much better developer because of it. Now with children, I wouldn't do it... unless I have a need for a job or if the pay is so spectacular that I could sacrifice 3-4 years plowing at it to create a greater safety net with which to provide (and protect) my family.
The previous OP, just because a choice was made that doesn't fit the shallow pigeonholes of your world view, that does not rob them of legitimacy. Shut your mouth and learn to walk other people's shoes for a change.
If you are on call 24/7, you really need to re-evaluate your life choices...
Maybe a person who works as a heart surgeon or trauma specialist has made a specific life choice. Did that person do the wrong choice in becoming a heart surgeon or trauma specialist?
and like on-call Doctors who couldn't care less if they're ruining the end of "Star Wars" for you because they have to go and err you know? save-a-life.
That's why vibration mode is for, the very thing that has existed for years and that movie theaters reminds you off at the beginning of every single movie.
Maybe you just don't understand the similarities in your haste to point out the differences.
The only similarity is that video recording take place. The context in which these two occur are so vastly different that the similarities are irrelevant.
OK, you got me.
s/accelerating/accelerating or using magic/
Any technology advanced enough will look like fucking hocus pocus to the (relative) primitive observer.
Why do you not like Zootopia? Don't you think bunnies are cute? You're a meanie!
Zootopia portrays blackmail and police corruption as being fun and the cool thing to do.
I think you are incredibly devoted and serious in looking for a fault in a kids' movie.
Wait, so it's ok to set the rules so that working folks might not be able to vote, but requiring ID is "rayciss!"
So you're completely unable to comprehend the part about requiring employers to give each employee one of the two days off?
Methinks you are not quite the "maker" you believe.
Herein is the problem. Voting day should be on a weekend, or a mandatory holiday for a) non-exempt employees that are b) not in the civil service and that c) work on a day shift.
But we don't because we are stupid and like to complicate shit more than what it should be.
Because there still would be lots of people who can not get a random Tuesday off. They also tend to be the same people who currently have difficulty fitting in waiting in a multi-hour line to vote on a random Tuesday.
If we're going the holiday route, make the election Saturday and Sunday, and require employers to give at least one of those days off (So if you work Saturday, you are off Sunday and vice-versa). Should make it possible for almost everyone to fit in one day or the other. And the extra day would hopefully spread out the load that mysteriously surprises election officials in the certain places over and over again.
Which is why Voting day should be on a fucking weekend, or a mandatory holiday for anyone not in the civil services with a 9-5 job, or at least how we have it in my county (Broward, FL), early voting with a span that includes two weekends prior to voting day.
Since voting day is Novermber 8, I for one would have preferred that, nationally, early voting was mandatory (including two weekends). That's plenty for anyone interested in voting. Perhaps in some poorer (or more remote) areas, early voting should start on a Saturday, and span two more weekends.
If you are voting in person, and if fraud is pretty much non-existing (as it has been despite all the hooplah), I do not see what the problem is with extended early voting other than funding of extended hours for civil servants. Beyond that, the only reason to oppose it is to prevent certain classes of people from voting. Period.
Pick the biggest screwups you can find, figure out how they screw up the most, don't let those shitty practices screw things up anymore.
Now you can argue it is "wrong" that blacks were identified as the most likely to fuck up a ballot but I'd want to see some hard data because at every election there is always some old black lady who went to the wrong polling place, and the local get out the vote dems throw her in a car and take her to the right one.
Well, I want to see some hard data corroborating each and every incident of this hypothetical old black lady thrown in a car by dems to get her to the right one. Otherwise, you are just making up shit out of your ass, sir.
Probably because it is a country's duty to first support its own citizens. Otherwise, what is a country?
The US has developed a culture where such a government is impossible. There is no universal health care program and 1 out of 3 public schools is dysfunctional. But the general theme is that gubmint is bad don't tread on me nimby blah blah and anyone trying to move into a direction that can make these problems fixable has been shot down as a commie.
So the lesson for you, if you live in the US, is this: be nimble and adaptable, plan around the fact that you are replaceable, and hone your skills to change directions quickly, be good to others and cultivate your professional network (which you will need at some point) because nobody in the government and society outside of your closest social circles is going to fucking help you.
Another lesson: save and take trips to countries like Germany or Japan, which are still capable of being productive while taking care of its people. It will open your eyes like a motherfucker on how deficient and 3rd-worldish the US is in some important areas.
The more people realize this, perhaps the better the chance of actually fixing things around here.