The thing is that even though for desktop compositing the FOSS drivers are absolutely brilliant they don't do well at all in anything 3D related. And when I say don't do well I mean it in a 95% decrease way (if the blob will do 100fps foss will do 5).
How about, instead of constantly trying to push even higher bandwidths, trying to compete on who makes the most long living devices. I'm not talking about TVs being passed on from father to son, but living a couple of times longer than the guarantee would be nice for once.
The problem is that if I do that I will end up with a buggy Unity installation that will work 99% like an out of the box Gnome3. So why waste the time hacking on making Unity work when I can waste that time hacking on something that will actually produce something.
Unity does not have one thing I want from my DE that Gnome doesn't provide.
originally it's an OSX feature widely employed by other compositing WMs. in Gnome 3 it can be activated when you point at the left top corner in addition to the usual super key. It is very helpful when working only with a mouse and useful when you have both hands on the keyboard and are fishing for one elusive document across your workspaces.
I haven't heard of anything like that before. Could it be that Microsoft just lined those guys' pockets? Everybody know that the Xbox division has been given unrestricted playroom in order to get exclusivity...
AFAIK the font size issue is a Unity only "Feature". On gnome I've never had it, but I think the earliest Gnome3 install I did for an HTPC was Gnome3.2 so maybe it existed in earlier versions. The only issues I have from an HTPC perspective was that I can't set the cursor size efficiently on any DE I've tried without starting to hack around. Also if you are going to go the large text way (which you are if you are doing an HTPC) I'd recommend using Adwaita in stead of whatever emerald theme your distro ships. Other themes might work well too but for example the Ubuntu Ambiance theme doesn't resize the close button if you set the bars to lrage,x-large or xx-large (my fave, feels more balanced with text-scale=1.9) which sucks. also you can do some easy seds on the emerald themes to regain the correct curvature on your windows.
Nope, the correct nvidia drivers are installed. It's just too much work for the CPU. Unity2D only will help if you can't handle the graphics load. the problem with this PC though lies also with the CPUs power.
Good for you. I, on the other hand, like my expose on the top left active corner and super key window positioning. Unity only with a mouse is like a phone UI on a desktop, pretty but too much effort and very cumbersome... Like win8
Scrolling Did anybody notice how the metro interface is generally horizontally scrolling?
What I perceived in a tablet try out was that while vertical scrolling is very easy and comfortable (you an have both your hands on the device and still scroll perfectly fine), horizontal scrolling, mostly due to the UX mandated device bezels and human anatomy, is much more difficult to do since you get roughly a third of the area of responsive screen real estate, unless you keep one hand free and we all know what that means..
In a mouse only environment you have to fish for the "expose desktops" button whereas in gnome 3 it is one concise move. In keyboard only mode you have to do a combination, not very difficult but much less effective than a single keypress. The UI does not deform properly upon parametrization, the hotbar shortcuts are irrelevant once you have actually started the programs (and you are in flow) which is the biggest part of your productive time, otherwise why are they there, lenses mess up the experience and unnecessarily populate your activities,I could go on but I thing my general position is made clear.
What I can't digest about the unity interface is that it can't be effectively used as a mouse oriented UI nor can it be effectively used as a keyboard only UI. And that really makes a big difference for me. In an HTPC mouse only environment it is much easier to just use Gnome3 (even the theming for the living room aka huge fonts and buttons) are better applied by gnome shell. On the workstation again Gnome 3 works better because the keyboard mappings are very very concise and thought out, to the point where you can get to the behavioral patterns of a tiling wm without having done one modification. Unity? its nice if you have one hand on the keyboard and one on the mouse. Only that I am 99% less productive like that and it really doesn't make any sense.. And don't start talking about the hud thing because it plainly doesn't deliver.
I know plenty of people who like Gnome 3 but hate Unity
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No, really guys. OK, I get that things can get rough when major changes are undertaken in your infrastructure. Whether that is Country, State or Desktop. But really all this hating on the gnome desktop has to subside at some point in time. I mean, come on! Ok, the guys made a total mess out of usability testing (not that large scale usability testing is good in any way but still some controlled environment tests are helpful) but in general they pulled it through. Gnome shell, in the past year, has been doing leaps!
BTW, I'm not very sure that the OP actually is condescending, he describes himself as a hardcore fan, so maybe it's just the general attitude in the workplace, in which case I envy them!
On the decision part I'm not so sure. I mean sure you will limit yourself if you are going to only look for admin jobs on a specific OS but the truth is that the extent of a sysadmin's or opadmin's responsibilities will limit your specialization automatically through the passage of time. Sure for entry/mid level positions you don't have a problem, most of your responsibilities can be brushed over in an afternoons reading, but for high end/profile positions your chances are with a specialized attitude rather with the jack of al trades attitude.
Surely these are only my personal opinions, other people might disagree.
Well, they aren't going to get flames from me, I love windows 8. Of course my opinion might change if I actually would have to use it instead of just install another OS over it.:-P
Seriously though, I believe win 8 is good work. Some idiot in Redmond decided that it was a good idea to unify both the touch interface and the desktop interface into one experience and for the biggest part of it they didn't do a half bad job. Still that is little praise if you consider that a goo job would still result in a revolting abomination but you can't scold the builders for the idiocy of the architect.
Anyway. Microsoft did a good job. Apple hasn't been doing so bad either and even gnome is brilliant out of the box atm. Really it's a win whatever you might choose right now. Seriously though all the hate that is going around at the moment regarding win8 is at best Neophobia.
Yep, pretty much on the head. Mac OS is brilliant for the very undereducated use cases. Ok, it also does a good job for appdicted adobe CS users like graphics artists. If you want to tinker with the os itself or make it do something really, really bleeding edge you should be using a Linux desktop (or even a windows desktop, funnily, especially for GPU things).
Funny fact though I know some "graphics artists", but the most succesful of those actually works on debian with foss painters.
Or is this whole discourse/trial frivolous to begin with?
One thing I have never heard a jury do is call the whole trial a farce. As they should have with this one. But no, they could make a company of the homeland richer while punishing the Korean competitor. Well founded blind patriotism I say....
Though to be absolutely fair I would also say that you should be familiar with some aspects of the Linux philosophy. It's not like a plain Windows user (in the bliss of his ignorance) could read the installation guide and install a fully functional arch deskop without any external help. An Ubuntu user should though.
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The thing is that even though for desktop compositing the FOSS drivers are absolutely brilliant they don't do well at all in anything 3D related. And when I say don't do well I mean it in a 95% decrease way (if the blob will do 100fps foss will do 5).
How about, instead of constantly trying to push even higher bandwidths, trying to compete on who makes the most long living devices. I'm not talking about TVs being passed on from father to son, but living a couple of times longer than the guarantee would be nice for once.
The problem is that if I do that I will end up with a buggy Unity installation that will work 99% like an out of the box Gnome3. So why waste the time hacking on making Unity work when I can waste that time hacking on something that will actually produce something.
Unity does not have one thing I want from my DE that Gnome doesn't provide.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission_Control_(OS_X)
originally it's an OSX feature widely employed by other compositing WMs. in Gnome 3 it can be activated when you point at the left top corner in addition to the usual super key. It is very helpful when working only with a mouse and useful when you have both hands on the keyboard and are fishing for one elusive document across your workspaces.
I haven't heard of anything like that before. Could it be that Microsoft just lined those guys' pockets? Everybody know that the Xbox division has been given unrestricted playroom in order to get exclusivity...
AFAIK the font size issue is a Unity only "Feature". On gnome I've never had it, but I think the earliest Gnome3 install I did for an HTPC was Gnome3.2 so maybe it existed in earlier versions. The only issues I have from an HTPC perspective was that I can't set the cursor size efficiently on any DE I've tried without starting to hack around. Also if you are going to go the large text way (which you are if you are doing an HTPC) I'd recommend using Adwaita in stead of whatever emerald theme your distro ships. Other themes might work well too but for example the Ubuntu Ambiance theme doesn't resize the close button if you set the bars to lrage,x-large or xx-large (my fave, feels more balanced with text-scale=1.9) which sucks. also you can do some easy seds on the emerald themes to regain the correct curvature on your windows.
Nope, the correct nvidia drivers are installed. It's just too much work for the CPU.
Unity2D only will help if you can't handle the graphics load. the problem with this PC though lies also with the CPUs power.
Good for you.
I, on the other hand, like my expose on the top left active corner and super key window positioning. Unity only with a mouse is like a phone UI on a desktop, pretty but too much effort and very cumbersome... Like win8
One very insightful thing:
Scrolling
Did anybody notice how the metro interface is generally horizontally scrolling?
What I perceived in a tablet try out was that while vertical scrolling is very easy and comfortable (you an have both your hands on the device and still scroll perfectly fine), horizontal scrolling, mostly due to the UX mandated device bezels and human anatomy, is much more difficult to do since you get roughly a third of the area of responsive screen real estate, unless you keep one hand free and we all know what that means..
(I hate to be the Gnome lover but in this thread I turned out to be just that guy.)
You know that all your problems could be solved with gnome 3 right? specially the living room pc thing (aka mouse only environment).
No it's not.
In a mouse only environment you have to fish for the "expose desktops" button whereas in gnome 3 it is one concise move. In keyboard only mode you have to do a combination, not very difficult but much less effective than a single keypress. The UI does not deform properly upon parametrization, the hotbar shortcuts are irrelevant once you have actually started the programs (and you are in flow) which is the biggest part of your productive time, otherwise why are they there, lenses mess up the experience and unnecessarily populate your activities,I could go on but I thing my general position is made clear.
It would suck to run them on a netbook that doesn't have a lot of power.
Unity does. Gnome 3 I'm using almost exclusively for the last six months. But hey I tinker a lot with my devices.
Actually gnome 3 works acceptably on an 8 year old Sony VAIO. Unity runs at .2 fps. Seriously!
What I can't digest about the unity interface is that it can't be effectively used as a mouse oriented UI nor can it be effectively used as a keyboard only UI. And that really makes a big difference for me. In an HTPC mouse only environment it is much easier to just use Gnome3 (even the theming for the living room aka huge fonts and buttons) are better applied by gnome shell. On the workstation again Gnome 3 works better because the keyboard mappings are very very concise and thought out, to the point where you can get to the behavioral patterns of a tiling wm without having done one modification. Unity? its nice if you have one hand on the keyboard and one on the mouse. Only that I am 99% less productive like that and it really doesn't make any sense.. And don't start talking about the hud thing because it plainly doesn't deliver.
I know plenty of people who like Gnome 3 but hate Unity
Me! Hi! I'm here!
No, really guys. OK, I get that things can get rough when major changes are undertaken in your infrastructure. Whether that is Country, State or Desktop. But really all this hating on the gnome desktop has to subside at some point in time. I mean, come on! Ok, the guys made a total mess out of usability testing (not that large scale usability testing is good in any way but still some controlled environment tests are helpful) but in general they pulled it through. Gnome shell, in the past year, has been doing leaps!
Oh!
BTW, I'm not very sure that the OP actually is condescending, he describes himself as a hardcore fan, so maybe it's just the general attitude in the workplace, in which case I envy them!
I fully agree with you on the attitude part.
On the decision part I'm not so sure. I mean sure you will limit yourself if you are going to only look for admin jobs on a specific OS but the truth is that the extent of a sysadmin's or opadmin's responsibilities will limit your specialization automatically through the passage of time. Sure for entry/mid level positions you don't have a problem, most of your responsibilities can be brushed over in an afternoons reading, but for high end/profile positions your chances are with a specialized attitude rather with the jack of al trades attitude.
Surely these are only my personal opinions, other people might disagree.
Well, they aren't going to get flames from me, I love windows 8. Of course my opinion might change if I actually would have to use it instead of just install another OS over it. :-P
Seriously though, I believe win 8 is good work. Some idiot in Redmond decided that it was a good idea to unify both the touch interface and the desktop interface into one experience and for the biggest part of it they didn't do a half bad job. Still that is little praise if you consider that a goo job would still result in a revolting abomination but you can't scold the builders for the idiocy of the architect.
Anyway. Microsoft did a good job. Apple hasn't been doing so bad either and even gnome is brilliant out of the box atm.
Really it's a win whatever you might choose right now. Seriously though all the hate that is going around at the moment regarding win8 is at best Neophobia.
Just stuff that kind of sort of partially covers what ...
Yep just enough for the apple evangelist (or genious) to say:
"It turns out that since the last OS release it does that as well"
Yep, pretty much on the head. Mac OS is brilliant for the very undereducated use cases. Ok, it also does a good job for appdicted adobe CS users like graphics artists. If you want to tinker with the os itself or make it do something really, really bleeding edge you should be using a Linux desktop (or even a windows desktop, funnily, especially for GPU things).
Funny fact though I know some "graphics artists", but the most succesful of those actually works on debian with foss painters.
Ohh, it's installed by default now?
In what version did that happen? "alley siamese"?
Yep, that is an issue. Ususally people will need some time to "sync" and usually during that time they can get dangerously frustrated.
conflict of interest
finally a use of the word "of" that is actually correct! Yay!!
Oh and BTW you are correct about your point as well Sir.
I don't get it. How does genetic code have anything to do with our precious Round Corners©?
Or is this whole discourse/trial frivolous to begin with?
One thing I have never heard a jury do is call the whole trial a farce. As they should have with this one. But no, they could make a company of the homeland richer while punishing the Korean competitor. Well founded blind patriotism I say....
Though to be absolutely fair I would also say that you should be familiar with some aspects of the Linux philosophy. It's not like a plain Windows user (in the bliss of his ignorance) could read the installation guide and install a fully functional arch deskop without any external help. An Ubuntu user should though.