Drupal is NOT worthy of 5 or so freaking entries a week. I'm not saying it's good or bad, I'm saying it's not as an important technological subject as it seems to get credit here for. Geeze,
After all, evolution is simply a theory, not a proven fact. What should give it any further merit over any other not-disproven theory?
The reason that there isn't any merit in what you say is that you don't know what a scientific theory is. Please read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory and then realize why that statement doesn't make sense. A scientific theory is not the same thing as the English word "theory" in the context of which you use it. Might want to check out the "theory" of gravity and argue the same point, homeschool.
Are you sure about this? I ask because I do not know, not because I am disputing you. I ask because it sounds like this is what it should be like, but I have this feeling that in reality, a church could get away with using a religious test to not hire a janitor. The boy scouts don't allow gay kids, and Hooters was (successfully) sued because it didn't hire a girl with small tits (and I would argue that big tits are essential for working at Hooters).
I know I am late coming to this conversation, but...
Once in college (yes all great stories start like that), I took some Ritalin to study. I glanced at some porn, I guess it was up or I guess I was looking to beat off for 5 minutes. Well, the way Ritalin (and its associates) works is that I one becomes quite fixated. I ended up masturbating for 3 hours in my dorm room (well, fraternity house room), and it was insane. I did end up studying afterwards, but the Ritalin had mostly worn off.
As a side note, gay male porn stars make a lot more than straight male porn stars. By a huge factor, something like 3-4 times as much.
... about once a week. Basically everyone is going to discuss the difference between "theft" and "copyright infringement", about how piracy does or doesn't really hurt developers, and so on.
This article does provide a refreshing source of empirical evidence of what many slashdotters frequently state in such debates:
Even in those jurisdictions where there are legal distribution channels, pricing renders many products unaffordable for the vast majority of the population.
There are also frequent arguments from slashdotters that piracy doesn't hurt developers, which this article doesn't actually support (and nor do I in most circumstances). Instead, it discusses how the frequently stated effects of piracy (organized crime, lol!) are not true. The same thing happened when iTunes became popular: the music industry said people wouldn't buy MP3s and would only steal them. Actually, people will purchase them if it is cheap enough, and also readily and easily available.
I should have clarified that there isn't anything you can't do without the preprocessor to do in a realistic or relevant sense. Defining an partial expression in a macro such as "X *" instead of "X * Y" is not something that needs to be done, or that one should be doing at all in order to solve some problem. If you really need to do "X *" you can just as easily do "X * Y" where Y can be defined in another macro (or its D equivalent).
Sorry for replying to my own post, but I should have mentioned that I do not agree with the sentiments of the article. Knowing the.NET language isn't a good reason for thinking a programmer isn't a good programmer. As you said, it provides a lot of tools/libraries (like many other languages), but even then sometimes you still need to create your own tools/libraries to solve the problem at hand.
I would have really liked to have seen some empirical evidence or some examples of why the guy in the article came to the conclusion he did.
So, you do horrible things that we just don't know about because we are not watching you closely enough and you think Microsoft ethical because "they came out with some good products". If you are "an awful, dispicable person" and you like Microsoft, maybe I would be correct if I posited that you and Microsoft are just two, scumbag peas in a pod. Maybe?
Wow dude. No, I didn't say Microsoft was ethical and I didn't say that I was an awful person. I was implying that it is veering on the qualities of a conspiracy theorist to take what the original poster said and call it a "idealistic portrayal" and that he talked about, and that he was to blame for his pragmatic present-day views because he hadn't been watching all of the news about Microsoft. Read what he said, it was a very sober view that was irrelevant to all the news about Microsoft from the 90s.
Motherfucker, tell me you are trolling!
You posited that I was a scumbag and that I like the pretty Aero interface and finally you called me a motherfucker. I don't think I'm the troll here.
And what's so special about startup, by the way? This argument makes it sound like they are writing their own JSON parser in assembly.
I actually had a conversation with my boss about this today. It was in the form of why most startups don't use outsourcing, but the point was similar. Startups require strong design and reliability in their code, as well as speed in writing the software. On top of the survivability of the startup in its infant years, this saves costs further down the road. These are the type of qualities that come from "the best" software engineers. An already established company doesn't necessarily need the best of the best in the same sense that startups need them.
... that this article is flame bait and that it is stupid to identify "bad" programmers by.NET resume experience.
That being said, if you read the actual post, the guy clarifies that what he is talking about is.NET programmers at startups..NET takes away all the "hard" stuff about programming and automates it, and startups need the type of coders who know how to do solve certain problems without the automatic processing.NET offers.
Although technically you simply cannot do many types of programming projects with most of those languages because they are not systems-level like C/C++ are. So one may argue that those languages can't be compared to C++... except for one: D, a vastly superior language to C++ and which is also systems-level.
So glad to hear that some people actually know about D! D is great. This new C++0x crap is awful:
template
class tuple
: private tuple {// here is the recursion// Basically, a tuple stores its head (first (type/value) pair// and derives from the tuple of its tail (the rest ofthe (type/value) pairs.// Note that the type is encoded in the type, not stored as data
typedef tuple inherited;
public:
tuple() { }// default: the empty tuple// Construct tuple from separate arguments:
tuple(typename add_const_reference::type v, typename add_const_reference::type... vtail)
: m_head(v), inherited(vtail...) { }// Construct tuple from another tuple:
template
tuple(const tuple& other)
: m_head(other.head()), inherited(other.tail()) { }
D does a marvelous job fixing the syntax and the shortcomings of C++. Also, there's NO PREPROCESSOR! (Before you jump on this, there is nothing you can't do in D that you could do with a C preprocessor) Also, there is an environment for D in Eclipse.
I don't think he's joking. I've never seen that graph you just linked, but T-Mobile has had the #1 Customer Service ranking for like 9/10 of the last 10 years.
A "real" or pure free market would be bad. You don't know how much it would suck because you already live in a society that has consumer protections (can't sell damaged products, for example).
Most of the shit you just listed is really, really old. It's 2011 dude. And a lot of the shit you just threw just doesn't stick. You're making boogeyman arguments.
but the only explanation for the idealistic portrayal you paint is you not watching all news involving Microsoft
WTF? Did you just hear yourself? Are you a conspiracy theorist? Sure, the huge, successful company called Microsoft has done some bad things (it's impossible to do something wrong when you're that big and make so many decisions), but the guy said some great points... they came out with some good products. If someone was watching my life as closely as you "watch the news on Microsoft", looking for all bad stuff, then I'm sure that person would come to the conclusion that I'm an awful, despicable person.
The US is both a republic and a democracy. The US is not a direct democracy (no state is), but it is a representative democracy. This is why everyone is up in arms, because this law is at best silly, definitely unnecessary, and at worse has the possibly to teach the children the wrong information.
Even a benevolent dictatorship violates the right of the people to self-determination
So does losing a vote 49% to 51% in a democracy. If I'm in the 49% crowd, I didn't determine, someone else did. For example, 52% of people in California decided that gays can't marry, get inheritance rights and property rights, while 48% decided otherwise. So a gay couple in California had their ways determined by a simple majority vote, and now as a consequence is of a lesser class in the law's eyes than a heterosexual couple.
I can't believe there is a whole slashdot discussion devoted to this topic, and I came along a day late. I was hoping that my signature (which I changed months ago) would get me kudos.
HOLY SHIT I made my signature about this subject three months ago. And sorry for the caps, I sorta freaked. If it isn't already stated in the other 1000 comments, the U.S. is indeed both a republic and a democracy.
Slashdot Mirror
Drupal is NOT worthy of 5 or so freaking entries a week. I'm not saying it's good or bad, I'm saying it's not as an important technological subject as it seems to get credit here for. Geeze,
After all, evolution is simply a theory, not a proven fact. What should give it any further merit over any other not-disproven theory?
The reason that there isn't any merit in what you say is that you don't know what a scientific theory is. Please read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory and then realize why that statement doesn't make sense. A scientific theory is not the same thing as the English word "theory" in the context of which you use it. Might want to check out the "theory" of gravity and argue the same point, homeschool.
LOL!
Are you sure about this? I ask because I do not know, not because I am disputing you. I ask because it sounds like this is what it should be like, but I have this feeling that in reality, a church could get away with using a religious test to not hire a janitor. The boy scouts don't allow gay kids, and Hooters was (successfully) sued because it didn't hire a girl with small tits (and I would argue that big tits are essential for working at Hooters).
drink deeply of that divine bouquet.
LOL!
I know I am late coming to this conversation, but...
Once in college (yes all great stories start like that), I took some Ritalin to study. I glanced at some porn, I guess it was up or I guess I was looking to beat off for 5 minutes. Well, the way Ritalin (and its associates) works is that I one becomes quite fixated. I ended up masturbating for 3 hours in my dorm room (well, fraternity house room), and it was insane. I did end up studying afterwards, but the Ritalin had mostly worn off.
As a side note, gay male porn stars make a lot more than straight male porn stars. By a huge factor, something like 3-4 times as much.
Ahh, it's been a few days since a Slashdot story mentioned Drupal.
What IS it with Drupal and Slashdot? It's only used by ~1% of websites, AFAIK.
... about once a week. Basically everyone is going to discuss the difference between "theft" and "copyright infringement", about how piracy does or doesn't really hurt developers, and so on.
This article does provide a refreshing source of empirical evidence of what many slashdotters frequently state in such debates:
Even in those jurisdictions where there are legal distribution channels, pricing renders many products unaffordable for the vast majority of the population.
There are also frequent arguments from slashdotters that piracy doesn't hurt developers, which this article doesn't actually support (and nor do I in most circumstances). Instead, it discusses how the frequently stated effects of piracy (organized crime, lol!) are not true. The same thing happened when iTunes became popular: the music industry said people wouldn't buy MP3s and would only steal them. Actually, people will purchase them if it is cheap enough, and also readily and easily available.
I should have clarified that there isn't anything you can't do without the preprocessor to do in a realistic or relevant sense. Defining an partial expression in a macro such as "X *" instead of "X * Y" is not something that needs to be done, or that one should be doing at all in order to solve some problem. If you really need to do "X *" you can just as easily do "X * Y" where Y can be defined in another macro (or its D equivalent).
Sorry for replying to my own post, but I should have mentioned that I do not agree with the sentiments of the article. Knowing the .NET language isn't a good reason for thinking a programmer isn't a good programmer. As you said, it provides a lot of tools/libraries (like many other languages), but even then sometimes you still need to create your own tools/libraries to solve the problem at hand.
I would have really liked to have seen some empirical evidence or some examples of why the guy in the article came to the conclusion he did.
So, you do horrible things that we just don't know about because we are not watching you closely enough and you think Microsoft ethical because "they came out with some good products". If you are "an awful, dispicable person" and you like Microsoft, maybe I would be correct if I posited that you and Microsoft are just two, scumbag peas in a pod. Maybe?
Wow dude. No, I didn't say Microsoft was ethical and I didn't say that I was an awful person. I was implying that it is veering on the qualities of a conspiracy theorist to take what the original poster said and call it a "idealistic portrayal" and that he talked about, and that he was to blame for his pragmatic present-day views because he hadn't been watching all of the news about Microsoft. Read what he said, it was a very sober view that was irrelevant to all the news about Microsoft from the 90s.
Motherfucker, tell me you are trolling!
You posited that I was a scumbag and that I like the pretty Aero interface and finally you called me a motherfucker. I don't think I'm the troll here.
And what's so special about startup, by the way? This argument makes it sound like they are writing their own JSON parser in assembly.
I actually had a conversation with my boss about this today. It was in the form of why most startups don't use outsourcing, but the point was similar. Startups require strong design and reliability in their code, as well as speed in writing the software. On top of the survivability of the startup in its infant years, this saves costs further down the road. These are the type of qualities that come from "the best" software engineers. An already established company doesn't necessarily need the best of the best in the same sense that startups need them.
Did you go to Georgia Tech by chance?
... that this article is flame bait and that it is stupid to identify "bad" programmers by .NET resume experience.
That being said, if you read the actual post, the guy clarifies that what he is talking about is .NET programmers at startups. .NET takes away all the "hard" stuff about programming and automates it, and startups need the type of coders who know how to do solve certain problems without the automatic processing .NET offers.
Agree 100% with your post.
Although technically you simply cannot do many types of programming projects with most of those languages because they are not systems-level like C/C++ are. So one may argue that those languages can't be compared to C++... except for one: D, a vastly superior language to C++ and which is also systems-level.
So glad to hear that some people actually know about D! D is great. This new C++0x crap is awful:
template // here is the recursion // Basically, a tuple stores its head (first (type/value) pair // and derives from the tuple of its tail (the rest ofthe (type/value) pairs. // Note that the type is encoded in the type, not stored as data // default: the empty tuple // Construct tuple from separate arguments: // Construct tuple from another tuple:
class tuple
: private tuple {
typedef tuple inherited;
public:
tuple() { }
tuple(typename add_const_reference::type v, typename add_const_reference::type... vtail)
: m_head(v), inherited(vtail...) { }
template
tuple(const tuple& other)
: m_head(other.head()), inherited(other.tail()) { }
template // assignment
tuple& operator=(const tuple& other)
{
m_head = other.head();
tail() = other.tail();
return *this;
}
typename add_reference::type head() { return m_head; }
typename add_reference::type head() const { return m_head; }
inherited& tail() { return *this; }
const inherited& tail() const { return *this; }
protected:
Head m_head;
}
tuple tt("hello",{1,2,3,4},1.2); // "hello" // {{1,2,3,4},1.2};
string h = tt.head();
tuple,double> t2 = tt.tail();
D does a marvelous job fixing the syntax and the shortcomings of C++. Also, there's NO PREPROCESSOR! (Before you jump on this, there is nothing you can't do in D that you could do with a C preprocessor) Also, there is an environment for D in Eclipse.
I don't think he's joking. I've never seen that graph you just linked, but T-Mobile has had the #1 Customer Service ranking for like 9/10 of the last 10 years.
A "real" or pure free market would be bad. You don't know how much it would suck because you already live in a society that has consumer protections (can't sell damaged products, for example).
Penis.
Most of the shit you just listed is really, really old. It's 2011 dude. And a lot of the shit you just threw just doesn't stick. You're making boogeyman arguments.
but the only explanation for the idealistic portrayal you paint is you not watching all news involving Microsoft
WTF? Did you just hear yourself? Are you a conspiracy theorist? Sure, the huge, successful company called Microsoft has done some bad things (it's impossible to do something wrong when you're that big and make so many decisions), but the guy said some great points... they came out with some good products. If someone was watching my life as closely as you "watch the news on Microsoft", looking for all bad stuff, then I'm sure that person would come to the conclusion that I'm an awful, despicable person.
The US is both a republic and a democracy. The US is not a direct democracy (no state is), but it is a representative democracy. This is why everyone is up in arms, because this law is at best silly, definitely unnecessary, and at worse has the possibly to teach the children the wrong information.
Even a benevolent dictatorship violates the right of the people to self-determination
So does losing a vote 49% to 51% in a democracy. If I'm in the 49% crowd, I didn't determine, someone else did. For example, 52% of people in California decided that gays can't marry, get inheritance rights and property rights, while 48% decided otherwise. So a gay couple in California had their ways determined by a simple majority vote, and now as a consequence is of a lesser class in the law's eyes than a heterosexual couple.
I can't believe there is a whole slashdot discussion devoted to this topic, and I came along a day late. I was hoping that my signature (which I changed months ago) would get me kudos.
HOLY SHIT I made my signature about this subject three months ago. And sorry for the caps, I sorta freaked. If it isn't already stated in the other 1000 comments, the U.S. is indeed both a republic and a democracy.