A comment that the NSDAP used the Jews as scapegoats is "ignorant"?
Woh - whatever you consider informed, educated, enlightened, and basically correct, I'd like to stay as far away from as possible. Your concept of reality seems at a disconnect from the rest of the world. (Or your reading comprehension level is at still-shitting-nappies age.)
> How could they not know? For the last week, this has been on local TV news, NPR, CNN, Fox, and probably others that are not on my cable TV system or broadcast in my area.
Well, for a start, they might only watch the sports channel? Or they might not have a telly? (We aren't that rare.) Or they might not be in the US at all?
> Not "click here to fix it", but just "you need to get it fixed." That is NOT training them to click on unknown links.
Very much agreed. "Contact your ISP" is fine. It doesn't have to be expository or clever - the simpler and blunter it is the better.
No, that's not my entire assertion. As you appear to have the short-term memory of pond-life and had forgotten earlier lines of my post by the time you'd got to the final line in it, there's no point in me repeating it. So no, that's not my entire assertion.
I agree, the urgency wasn't there. Clever choice or change of direction would have worked fine. Hasty thrashing around, and chosing the worst ever partner in the history of IT, was clearly doomed.
"The in house OSes are currently the only chance Nokia has of not being dismantled."
The in-house OSes are the problem (according to Elop). There's no "innovation" in those OSes. That's why "the project based in Ulm" whose name hasn't been officially been mentioned (and about which there's a *lot* of misinformation, even if The Register calls the non-facts "confirmed") had its death sentence enacted 3 weeks ago, and why I'm spending much of my day reading slashdot rather than hacking linux...
With the feature phones, we were still making a profit. But you're right that the issues do predate Elop by about 3 years. I only have marginal insight into the platform that never wanted to be dominating the world, it only wanted to technically superior. I, and others, were hoping that it would remain small enough that it could continue under the radar. The big "S" platforms - I can only presume that they were riddled with as much incompetence at the higher levels as we were, but due to their size that meant that billion-dollar mistakes were made. Nokia's management structure was broken, it was way too top heavy, and by having 3 times as many managers as they needed, they spent 10 times as much time having to communicate things to each other. Which meant that they appeared overloaded (some were in meetings 100% of the time, no joke), which means sometimes their roles were split, and more managers were brought on board. Tada - bigger communication problem!
Perhaps it deserved to die. Elop was just the quickest way of bringing that about.
That predates the N900. It's pretty much nokia standard behaviour. Very useful for meetings.
Whether it was implemented free of bugs, I don't know. (But I do know the quality of developers in different teams ranged from rocket-scientists to droolers.)
That I didn't know. I do know that the description "second-rate Jobs wannabe" is fitting in the history of not just the N9. I heard, and used, the terms iClone, and iPhoney, more than once whilst working on the project. The people behind the UI clearly had zero expertise in the field, dangerously so (they even deliberately ignored results of usability studies, and lied about those results), and were just pulling in features from other contexts that they thought were cool, even if they were inconsistent, confusing, or just plain broken in our context. You wouldn't believe how many usability bugs were filed (and closed "wontfix", and reopened) by three angry low level developers (Phillippe in system software, Felip in the graphics codecs stack, and Phil in the kernel (me)) before it turned into what was finally released.
So they should have injected a popup that said "your computer may be infected - click here for a free virus scan"?
You *really* didn't think about your post before clicking 'submit', did you? It is only "simple" in the way the word is euphemistically used to mean "stupid".
> >nondescript.org > > DCWG is DNS Changer Working Group > > How is it nondescript? It's a friggin' acronym for the name of the group.
Only if you know in advance there's such a working group. And you know in advance there's malware with that name. The people who are previously aware of such things are probably not the people who are going to still be infected.
I'm sure the grandparent poster could come up with an sensible-sounding acronym based on the dodgy domain he proffered. Being an acronym of something that sounds sensible does *not* make it trustworthy.
You need to take a step back. You are unable to put yourself in the shoes of those who do not have the prior information that you have.
The dns-ok domains are just as untrustworthy intrinsically. Why should I trust those, but not trust equivalent domains with "dns-check" or "dns-safe" in their name? Why is "ok" OK, but "safe" not safe? Explain that to someone who does not have prior knowledge about the situation.
It's a government-funded and supported effort, the domain should have been either under.gov; end of.
I know people who ported mutt and alpine to the N900.
Then again, most people I knew who wanted to have old-school mail just ran SSH in a terminal to a remote 'screen' session on their home machines, where they were running mutt locally.
We (in the kernel development team) often used to[*] joke about booting to a shell. There could be a binary called 'call', and if that was too much to type, set up a bleedin' alias for it! Want to hang up? Simple - that's Control-C! And what could be simpler than: $ sms anna 'coming home soon, do I need to go to the shops?'
[* one made it again just a couple of weeks ago, the last time I saw him]
When I pulled out my N950 proto in a pub in Helsinki a year or so back, 5 out of the other 6 people at the table (none of whom were Nokians) were N900 owners and every single one said that they don't care one jot about the N9, they want the keyboard - and would pay money for it.
I have no idea which particular manager was behind the 'developer device only' decision for the N950, but I hope his crack is cut with something nasty.
Estonians (not know for being the richest country in the world) paid ~$800 for an N900. That's way more than a month's average wage here.
Finns pre-ordered at that same price by the thousand. I know _dozens_ of people with the N900, more than of any other phone I know. And I'm not just thinking of my colleagues who used the prototypes as our daily device while working on the project (that would be hundreds, not dozens), I'm thinking of non-Nokians who paid cold hard cash for the thing.
However, you're right, this would be a niche thing. The market is going through a catastrophic collapse towards a duoculture or even monoculture, the chance of anything new (or old but recycled) making it big now are absolutely minimal. They've got to fight over the scraps now. Achieving critical mass is not for domination - it's for staying alive.
Downer? Hah! You're barely making a dent compared with what Elop did to me! (By joining the company 2 years back...)
There's a fine line between "Flamebait" and "saying what a lot of people think, and delivering it very bluntly". "Me go plop plop" is in fact a very common phrase on the alt.tasteless newsgroup, for example. I'd have modded it insightful rather than flamebait!
Probably more of the blame for that should go on Intel than Nokia. I always felt (I was a Nokia dev.) that Intel was the dominant part of the "partnership". (And that the "partnership" was about as fake as Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes'.)
Your worries are valid. My hope is that they decide that absolute openness of the platform (so basically like the true-Maemo n900 was, rather than the fake-MeeGo-broken-Maemo n9) will lower the entry bar to a level where people feel it might be a fun thing to play with, as the time investment on trying to work around restrictions is minimal. I.e. something every linux hacker would want. Once (and if, of course) there's a critical mass, hopefully it will take off in a bigger way.
The implication in the name of the creature seems to be that it had a soot-coloured (i.e. black) fur. The word "noki" means smut or soot. The town's emblem is this black creature: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Nokia.vaakuna.svg
If you're a Finn, or in Finland, then you might be interested in an exhibition in Vapriikki museum in Tampere which documents the history of Nokia very thoroughly. It's either just started, or will start soon. (Disclosure - I am not connected to it apart from the fact that they are regular indirect clients of my company.)
You clearly have no idea what "guilt" is. Knowing someone's identity is not a component in it, that's "traceability" or "accountability", which is completely orthogonal as a concept.
Widely believed, as hearsay from several independent sources who would have talked to Hubbard about such things, but never written down: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_controversies#L._Ron_Hubbard_and_starting_a_religion_for_money
The final letter in that section is quite telling, proving that he migrated his money-making from being a non-religion to being a religion.
Slashdot Mirror
Stage 1 - create arsenic-based lobbying money.
A comment that the NSDAP used the Jews as scapegoats is "ignorant"?
Woh - whatever you consider informed, educated, enlightened, and basically correct, I'd like to stay as far away from as possible. Your concept of reality seems at a disconnect from the rest of the world. (Or your reading comprehension level is at still-shitting-nappies age.)
There was a time when some atheists blamed everything bad on Jews, for example.
When /The Yes Men/ turn evil...
> How could they not know? For the last week, this has been on local TV news, NPR, CNN, Fox, and probably others that are not on my cable TV system or broadcast in my area.
Well, for a start, they might only watch the sports channel?
Or they might not have a telly? (We aren't that rare.)
Or they might not be in the US at all?
> Not "click here to fix it", but just "you need to get it fixed." That is NOT training them to click on unknown links.
Very much agreed. "Contact your ISP" is fine. It doesn't have to be expository or clever - the simpler and blunter it is the better.
No, that's not my entire assertion. As you appear to have the short-term memory of pond-life and had forgotten earlier lines of my post by the time you'd got to the final line in it, there's no point in me repeating it. So no, that's not my entire assertion.
I agree, the urgency wasn't there. Clever choice or change of direction would have worked fine. Hasty thrashing around, and chosing the worst ever partner in the history of IT, was clearly doomed.
"The in house OSes are currently the only chance Nokia has of not being dismantled."
The in-house OSes are the problem (according to Elop). There's no "innovation" in those OSes. That's why "the project based in Ulm" whose name hasn't been officially been mentioned (and about which there's a *lot* of misinformation, even if The Register calls the non-facts "confirmed") had its death sentence enacted 3 weeks ago, and why I'm spending much of my day reading slashdot rather than hacking linux...
With the feature phones, we were still making a profit. But you're right that the issues do predate Elop by about 3 years. I only have marginal insight into the platform that never wanted to be dominating the world, it only wanted to technically superior. I, and others, were hoping that it would remain small enough that it could continue under the radar. The big "S" platforms - I can only presume that they were riddled with as much incompetence at the higher levels as we were, but due to their size that meant that billion-dollar mistakes were made. Nokia's management structure was broken, it was way too top heavy, and by having 3 times as many managers as they needed, they spent 10 times as much time having to communicate things to each other. Which meant that they appeared overloaded (some were in meetings 100% of the time, no joke), which means sometimes their roles were split, and more managers were brought on board. Tada - bigger communication problem!
Perhaps it deserved to die. Elop was just the quickest way of bringing that about.
> "turn the phone face down" gesture
That predates the N900. It's pretty much nokia standard behaviour.
Very useful for meetings.
Whether it was implemented free of bugs, I don't know. (But I do know the quality of developers in different teams ranged from rocket-scientists to droolers.)
"Steve declared keyboards were bad"
That I didn't know. I do know that the description "second-rate Jobs wannabe" is fitting in the history of not just the N9. I heard, and used, the terms iClone, and iPhoney, more than once whilst working on the project. The people behind the UI clearly had zero expertise in the field, dangerously so (they even deliberately ignored results of usability studies, and lied about those results), and were just pulling in features from other contexts that they thought were cool, even if they were inconsistent, confusing, or just plain broken in our context. You wouldn't believe how many usability bugs were filed (and closed "wontfix", and reopened) by three angry low level developers (Phillippe in system software, Felip in the graphics codecs stack, and Phil in the kernel (me)) before it turned into what was finally released.
Here's a first step - a Beowolf cluster of keys:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9c/Chinese_typewriter.jpg
I remember jive and swedish chef, but it seems such "utilities" have fallen out of fashion.
So I hereby present, the iWank filter:
http://87.119.183.129/perl/rdf.pl
Or you can look at the Apple logo in the upper left of your screen and masturbate furiously.
Which may be just as useless, but at least is more honest.
So they should have injected a popup that said "your computer may be infected - click here for a free virus scan"?
You *really* didn't think about your post before clicking 'submit', did you? It is only "simple" in the way the word is euphemistically used to mean "stupid".
> >nondescript .org
.gov; end of.
>
> DCWG is DNS Changer Working Group
>
> How is it nondescript? It's a friggin' acronym for the name of the group.
Only if you know in advance there's such a working group. And you know in advance there's malware with that name. The people who are previously aware of such things are probably not the people who are going to still be infected.
I'm sure the grandparent poster could come up with an sensible-sounding acronym based on the dodgy domain he proffered. Being an acronym of something that sounds sensible does *not* make it trustworthy.
You need to take a step back. You are unable to put yourself in the shoes of those who do not have the prior information that you have.
The dns-ok domains are just as untrustworthy intrinsically. Why should I trust those, but not trust equivalent domains with "dns-check" or "dns-safe" in their name? Why is "ok" OK, but "safe" not safe? Explain that to someone who does not have prior knowledge about the situation.
It's a government-funded and supported effort, the domain should have been either under
"Just pretend to be from the FBI, send them to such a site, and you can infect them all you want."
You missed a step.
Just pretend to be from the FBI, tell them "your machine is infected", send them to such a site, and you can infect them all you want.
I know people who ported mutt and alpine to the N900.
Then again, most people I knew who wanted to have old-school mail just ran SSH in a terminal to a remote 'screen' session on their home machines, where they were running mutt locally.
We (in the kernel development team) often used to[*] joke about booting to a shell. There could be a binary called 'call', and if that was too much to type, set up a bleedin' alias for it! Want to hang up? Simple - that's Control-C! And what could be simpler than:
$ sms anna 'coming home soon, do I need to go to the shops?'
[* one made it again just a couple of weeks ago, the last time I saw him]
When I pulled out my N950 proto in a pub in Helsinki a year or so back, 5 out of the other 6 people at the table (none of whom were Nokians) were N900 owners and every single one said that they don't care one jot about the N9, they want the keyboard - and would pay money for it.
I have no idea which particular manager was behind the 'developer device only' decision for the N950, but I hope his crack is cut with something nasty.
Estonians (not know for being the richest country in the world) paid ~$800 for an N900. That's way more than a month's average wage here.
Finns pre-ordered at that same price by the thousand. I know _dozens_ of people with the N900, more than of any other phone I know. And I'm not just thinking of my colleagues who used the prototypes as our daily device while working on the project (that would be hundreds, not dozens), I'm thinking of non-Nokians who paid cold hard cash for the thing.
However, you're right, this would be a niche thing. The market is going through a catastrophic collapse towards a duoculture or even monoculture, the chance of anything new (or old but recycled) making it big now are absolutely minimal. They've got to fight over the scraps now. Achieving critical mass is not for domination - it's for staying alive.
Downer? Hah! You're barely making a dent compared with what Elop did to me! (By joining the company 2 years back...)
There's a fine line between "Flamebait" and "saying what a lot of people think, and delivering it very bluntly". "Me go plop plop" is in fact a very common phrase on the alt.tasteless newsgroup, for example. I'd have modded it insightful rather than flamebait!
Probably more of the blame for that should go on Intel than Nokia. I always felt (I was a Nokia dev.) that Intel was the dominant part of the "partnership". (And that the "partnership" was about as fake as Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes'.)
Your worries are valid. My hope is that they decide that absolute openness of the platform (so basically like the true-Maemo n900 was, rather than the fake-MeeGo-broken-Maemo n9) will lower the entry bar to a level where people feel it might be a fun thing to play with, as the time investment on trying to work around restrictions is minimal. I.e. something every linux hacker would want. Once (and if, of course) there's a critical mass, hopefully it will take off in a bigger way.
The implication in the name of the creature seems to be that it had a soot-coloured (i.e. black) fur. The word "noki" means smut or soot.
The town's emblem is this black creature:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Nokia.vaakuna.svg
If you're a Finn, or in Finland, then you might be interested in an exhibition in Vapriikki museum in Tampere which documents the history of Nokia very thoroughly. It's either just started, or will start soon. (Disclosure - I am not connected to it apart from the fact that they are regular indirect clients of my company.)
You clearly have no idea what "guilt" is. Knowing someone's identity is not a component in it, that's "traceability" or "accountability", which is completely orthogonal as a concept.
Widely believed, as hearsay from several independent sources who would have talked to Hubbard about such things, but never written down:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_controversies#L._Ron_Hubbard_and_starting_a_religion_for_money
The final letter in that section is quite telling, proving that he migrated his money-making from being a non-religion to being a religion.
Are you another one who doesn't remember that Project Chanology achieved basically nothing?