in the last 4 days my yahoo account (which i've had for years and don't want to have to change) has used its' 6mb quota up 17 times because of all of the undeliverables i'm getting back from this spam I didn't send. I volunteer for a Forensics K9 Search group and I get emergency call-outs sent to this address, so my mailbox filling up and bouncing messages is a very very very bad thing. (side note: this week NASA contacted us saying that if they needed to call in groups from outside CA and TX we were next on the list to be brought in!) This morning was the last straw..i got over 1000 bounces again and I decided to take a closer look at the SPAMMERs site. It turns out they have a crappy verisign shopping cart that does not, in fact, verify credit card numbers beforehand. So i submitted the form about 1000 times before i got sick of it. If you'd like to have a laugh, or to help me get revenge, then click the link below to see a screenshot of their website with the info i filled in the form, as well as the URL to the SPAMMER's page...
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You raise an interesting point. I guess that I hadn't thought of it quite that way, but I do agree with you. Working in tech support for a huge ISP, I come into contact with all sorts of people over the phone. sometimes after a particularly hard day, it's easy to fall into the "If I have to talk to one more ignorant person today..." mindset. But that's just frustration talking. I've had hardware geniuses call me for tech support that could build a computer with their eyes closed and one hand tied behind their back, but who couldn't configure a connectoid or add init strings to a modem to save their lives. If the situation were reversed, and I needed help with something, I would hope that there would be someone more knowledgeable around to help me out and not simply call me stupid. My father is a great example. When I got him his first computer 4 years ago, he knew _nothing_ about them. I was constantly restoring some system file that he deleted as "unneccesary" and helping him with everything. But on the other hand, he has always been there to help me fix my car, rebuild my engine, etc. The man can completely take apart a forklift and rebuild it by hand in a matter of hours. He can build or fix any kind of machinery or equipment he comes across, he can drywall a house, lay in electrical lines, run plumbing through a house, and work on any make, model and year of a car, but he doesn't fully grasp computer software and other related things. If you summarily dismiss non IT-savvy people as "stupid", you miss out on an important point: there's not a person alive who doesn't suck at _something_. Being able to admit it and ask for help is important, and so is helping others. If I looked at it any other way, I don't think I'd be able to stand my job!
I wasn't trying to sound 'self righteous or arrogant'.. I'm sorry if you took it that way or if it sounded like that though. I was simply trying to point out that the type of people who choose their 'mates' based solely on income levels are probably not the type of people that you want to waste your time on. I'd like to think that we all deserve better than that! And as for the personal barb, you're perfectly entitled to your opinions. I'm very happy with my wonderful boyfriend of almost 5 years, and hope that everyone here finds a geek guy/girl of their own who is just as wonderful and as interesting as my guy is!
hehe.. I sympathize with you, but speaking from the perspective of a geek girl who is completely uninterested in perpetuating the human race, or in the size of a potential mate's pocketbook.. well, you get the picture. Those of us who do understand and work in the tech field are perfectly capable of supporting ourselves comfortably, and are also smart enough to know that our fate does not have to lie in marriage, children, and mortages. Which means that the kind of women you're looking for are probably in no big hurry to find that special someone, and they certainly don't care about the size of your wallet or their nonexistant young. The type of women who are still looking for potential mates based on these characteristics are probably not worth the time it takes to find them. Rest assured though, girls who can code and who adore computers and technology do exist, and they're probably wondering where all the intelligent men are. And when they find/. and other places like it, there will be much joy;)
It's not the 'hot chicks vs ugly hags' thing that's in dispute.. it's just that women tend to be turned off by men and people in general whose one and only train of thought seems to be "I can't even associate with someone without checking out their ass". Which is what the previous post was implying. And believe it or not, there are quite a few people out there who are more into personality and intelligence than bust size. I for one would rather date my cute but slightly balding boyfriend who is witty, smart as hell, and tons of fun than some guy with washboard abs and an IQ of -10 who never could figure out how to tie his shoelaces or pronounce his own name. Unfortunately for me, when I was single, I tended to find none of the former and all of the latter.
I'm admittedly a geek girl.. I am 22 years old, work for an internet company, design web pages and graphics on the side, and in general live a life filled with a wierd blend of technology and nature. I make great wages with amazing benefits, at the exact same rate as my male co-workers. I also happen to be completely and utterly in love with a guy who is a total geek as well. We work together, and we live together with our 'babies'.. two windows machines, a novell server, a linux server, two commodore 64's, and various other technological toys... with all of this in mind, I'd have to say that no, not all women disdain the technology fields.. and we're not afraid of the 'geek guys'. That's just silly. I love working with other geeks. We get to turn off the lights in our office and decorate our cubes with christmas lights year round. We have LAN parties sponsored by our company. We have tons of fun at work. We volunteer for overtime so that we can spend more time together. We are a huge mixture of men, women, straight and gay, strange and 'normal' people from all races and all backgrounds imaginable.. believe it or not, I even work with 'jocks' (but not many).. I love working with these people. Admittedly, in high school and even in college, I was one of very few females interested in technology, and I was surrounded by mostly males, but I got the impression that it was because alot of females in our society are pressured to be perfect, dainty, and dumb. We are constantly bombarded with media images of women who are obsessed with lipstick, clothing, weight, popularity, perfect skin and hair.. and the list goes on and on. Under this constant pressure, and even for reasons completely unrelated to it, many women are indifferent or even contemptuous towards intellectual pursuits. The same is true for many men, who are pressured by society in different directions which prove just as damaging. I am fortunate: when you're lucky enough to have friends and family who value you for your mind and for your personality, you are actually free to develop both, and you needn't conform to the traditional gender roles our society still tries to impose on us. I believe that in the next 30 years, these constraints will largely disappear as people realize that they are outdated and only hurt us as a society. I think that the idea of women not wanting to work with technology is silly, and if you really believe that we think that way, then I've got a 1.8 billion Mhz processor to sell you CHEAP!;)
Well, maybe not _everything_. I would love to see a feature enabling the user to block banner ads and other advertisements easily. I would also like it to offer a "block cookies" option, since I don't believe that other sites should have the ability to send me anything that I don't want. As a webmaster, I have never ever ever used cookies or banner ads. I don't see why anyone else has to either, aside from the obvious expiring password cookies.
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haha.. i hadn't noticed that. I was just getting ready to do another "punishment run" on their order form too....
in the last 4 days my yahoo account (which i've had for years and don't want to have to change) has used its' 6mb quota up 17 times because of all of the undeliverables i'm getting back from this spam I didn't send. I volunteer for a Forensics K9 Search group and I get emergency call-outs sent to this address, so my mailbox filling up and bouncing messages is a very very very bad thing. (side note: this week NASA contacted us saying that if they needed to call in groups from outside CA and TX we were next on the list to be brought in!) This morning was the last straw..i got over 1000 bounces again and I decided to take a closer look at the SPAMMERs site. It turns out they have a crappy verisign shopping cart that does not, in fact, verify credit card numbers beforehand. So i submitted the form about 1000 times before i got sick of it. If you'd like to have a laugh, or to help me get revenge, then click the link below to see a screenshot of their website with the info i filled in the form, as well as the URL to the SPAMMER's page...
This is NOT the spammer's page, just a link to a screenshot of their page with the URL included
You raise an interesting point. I guess that I hadn't thought of it quite that way, but I do agree with you. Working in tech support for a huge ISP, I come into contact with all sorts of people over the phone. sometimes after a particularly hard day, it's easy to fall into the "If I have to talk to one more ignorant person today..." mindset. But that's just frustration talking. I've had hardware geniuses call me for tech support that could build a computer with their eyes closed and one hand tied behind their back, but who couldn't configure a connectoid or add init strings to a modem to save their lives. If the situation were reversed, and I needed help with something, I would hope that there would be someone more knowledgeable around to help me out and not simply call me stupid. My father is a great example. When I got him his first computer 4 years ago, he knew _nothing_ about them. I was constantly restoring some system file that he deleted as "unneccesary" and helping him with everything. But on the other hand, he has always been there to help me fix my car, rebuild my engine, etc. The man can completely take apart a forklift and rebuild it by hand in a matter of hours. He can build or fix any kind of machinery or equipment he comes across, he can drywall a house, lay in electrical lines, run plumbing through a house, and work on any make, model and year of a car, but he doesn't fully grasp computer software and other related things. If you summarily dismiss non IT-savvy people as "stupid", you miss out on an important point: there's not a person alive who doesn't suck at _something_. Being able to admit it and ask for help is important, and so is helping others. If I looked at it any other way, I don't think I'd be able to stand my job!
I wasn't trying to sound 'self righteous or arrogant'.. I'm sorry if you took it that way or if it sounded like that though. I was simply trying to point out that the type of people who choose their 'mates' based solely on income levels are probably not the type of people that you want to waste your time on. I'd like to think that we all deserve better than that! And as for the personal barb, you're perfectly entitled to your opinions. I'm very happy with my wonderful boyfriend of almost 5 years, and hope that everyone here finds a geek guy/girl of their own who is just as wonderful and as interesting as my guy is!
hehe.. I sympathize with you, but speaking from the perspective of a geek girl who is completely uninterested in perpetuating the human race, or in the size of a potential mate's pocketbook.. well, you get the picture. Those of us who do understand and work in the tech field are perfectly capable of supporting ourselves comfortably, and are also smart enough to know that our fate does not have to lie in marriage, children, and mortages. Which means that the kind of women you're looking for are probably in no big hurry to find that special someone, and they certainly don't care about the size of your wallet or their nonexistant young. The type of women who are still looking for potential mates based on these characteristics are probably not worth the time it takes to find them. Rest assured though, girls who can code and who adore computers and technology do exist, and they're probably wondering where all the intelligent men are. And when they find /. and other places like it, there will be much joy ;)
It's not the 'hot chicks vs ugly hags' thing that's in dispute.. it's just that women tend to be turned off by men and people in general whose one and only train of thought seems to be "I can't even associate with someone without checking out their ass". Which is what the previous post was implying. And believe it or not, there are quite a few people out there who are more into personality and intelligence than bust size. I for one would rather date my cute but slightly balding boyfriend who is witty, smart as hell, and tons of fun than some guy with washboard abs and an IQ of -10 who never could figure out how to tie his shoelaces or pronounce his own name. Unfortunately for me, when I was single, I tended to find none of the former and all of the latter.
I'm admittedly a geek girl.. I am 22 years old, work for an internet company, design web pages and graphics on the side, and in general live a life filled with a wierd blend of technology and nature. I make great wages with amazing benefits, at the exact same rate as my male co-workers. I also happen to be completely and utterly in love with a guy who is a total geek as well. We work together, and we live together with our 'babies'.. two windows machines, a novell server, a linux server, two commodore 64's, and various other technological toys... with all of this in mind, I'd have to say that no, not all women disdain the technology fields.. and we're not afraid of the 'geek guys'. That's just silly. I love working with other geeks. We get to turn off the lights in our office and decorate our cubes with christmas lights year round. We have LAN parties sponsored by our company. We have tons of fun at work. We volunteer for overtime so that we can spend more time together. We are a huge mixture of men, women, straight and gay, strange and 'normal' people from all races and all backgrounds imaginable.. believe it or not, I even work with 'jocks' (but not many).. I love working with these people. Admittedly, in high school and even in college, I was one of very few females interested in technology, and I was surrounded by mostly males, but I got the impression that it was because alot of females in our society are pressured to be perfect, dainty, and dumb. We are constantly bombarded with media images of women who are obsessed with lipstick, clothing, weight, popularity, perfect skin and hair.. and the list goes on and on. Under this constant pressure, and even for reasons completely unrelated to it, many women are indifferent or even contemptuous towards intellectual pursuits. The same is true for many men, who are pressured by society in different directions which prove just as damaging. I am fortunate: when you're lucky enough to have friends and family who value you for your mind and for your personality, you are actually free to develop both, and you needn't conform to the traditional gender roles our society still tries to impose on us. I believe that in the next 30 years, these constraints will largely disappear as people realize that they are outdated and only hurt us as a society. I think that the idea of women not wanting to work with technology is silly, and if you really believe that we think that way, then I've got a 1.8 billion Mhz processor to sell you CHEAP! ;)
thankfully, we 'geek chicks' are smart enough to know that we don't have to settle for men with mentalities like the ones expressed in this post.
Well, maybe not _everything_. I would love to see a feature enabling the user to block banner ads and other advertisements easily. I would also like it to offer a "block cookies" option, since I don't believe that other sites should have the ability to send me anything that I don't want. As a webmaster, I have never ever ever used cookies or banner ads. I don't see why anyone else has to either, aside from the obvious expiring password cookies.