Get yourself educated. Apple is suing over "rectangular with rounded edges" and "color icons" that is Apple's own wording.
Of course Apple is not suing over the F700. My point is the F700 came out too soon after the iPhone for Samsung to have stolen the design. Which means the F700 was Samsung's design. Since the F700 looks so similar to the iPhone, maybe Samsung was just copying the design from the F700?
The only motive Apple needs, is their fiduciary duty to protect the value of the design work they've done. As a shareholder, I expect Apple to go after cloners with both barrels.
The Galaxy is not a clone, far from it. Did apple "clone" the O2 XDA Flame from 2006?
Apple's claims are laughable: "rectangular with rounded corners" and "color icons" come on now, really? Apple was not the first with either of those. The Star7 had color icons in 1992.
And you, and Apple with claim that Galaxy looks like an iPhone. They do not look alike at all. Aside from being rectangular with rounded edges, and using color icons. For example, the Galaxy has 3 bottons, and has a big "Samsung" written across the top. And the icons do not look that much alike at all.
On the other hand, Samsung may not be quite the pushover the eMachines was. eMachines was basically broke, and therefore unable to fight back, when Apple filed the lawsuit.
Samsung is a much stronger company. Samsung is suing back, in several different countries.
It's completely true that Android's UI is a blatant attempt at copying iOS.
Apple did not invent nearly as much as you seem to thing. Do some research on the Star7: it was a wireless device, that had a touchscreen, and square color icons. The Star7 came out in 1992.
Then there the IBM Simon that came out in 1993. - Square icons laid out in a grid - touchscreen - Combined the features of a mobile phone, a pager, a PDA, and a fax machine - Besides a mobile phone, the major applications were a calendar, address book, world clock, calculator, note pad, e-mail, and games. - It had no physical buttons to dial with. Instead customers used a touchscreen to select phone numbers with a finger or create facsimiles and memos with an optional stylus. Text was entered with either a unique "predictive" on-screen keyboard or QWERTY keyboard. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Simon
What is your point? The Prada's images were released before the iPhone was introduced. Therefore Apple did not invent a device with "rectangular shape with rounded corners" or "a flat surface face."
Besides that, the F700 came out about one month after the iPhone. Way for soon for Samsung to have copied Apple. And the F700 looks nearly identical to an iPhone - right down to the one button design, and square icons. Clearly Samsung came up with that design on their own. Samsung only copied Samsung's own design.
Nonsense. The Samsung F700 came out about one month after the iPhone. Way too soon for Samsung to have copied Apple. Yet the phones look very similar. That means that Samsung was just copying Samsung's own design.
You keep reciting that LG Prada when it has shown not to be remotely similar. As for the F700, it also is not similar. That's why in Apple's lawsuit, it specifically names the Galaxy phone. Not the F700, not the Wave. Please do some research and actually read the links that others provide.
Not similar? I think this is Apple's own wording: "rectangular shape with rounded corners, silver edging, a flat surface face with substantial top and bottom black borders, gently curving edges on the back, and a display of colorful square icons with rounded corners."
Really now, how different is the F700? Lemme see: - rectangular shape with rounded corners - check - flat surface face with substantial top and bottom black borders - check - square icons - check
But the icons are not colorful with rounded corners, big difference.
To look at the thing, the F700 looks very similar to me.
So by you implying that Apple changed their design to copy the LG Prada after they made their announcement in December 2006 is somewhat laughable.
So by that exact same logic, there is no why that the Samsung F700 could have copied the iPhone right? After all the F700 was announced about one month after the iphone. So the F700 was Samsung's own design, right?
Seems to me that the F700 has "rectangular shape with rounded corners, silver edging, a flat surface face with substantial top and bottom black borders, gently curving edges on the back, and a display of colorful square icons with rounded corners."
So, using Apple's own wording, and logic, the Galaxy was derived from the F700's design.
Your logic is completely off. People here on slashdot claim that F700 preceded the iPhone therefore Apple copied it.
That is not what I posted. The F700 was announced about one month after the announcement of the iPhone. By your own reasoning, that is way too soon for Samsung to have copied Apple. Therefore, Samsung came up with the design themselves. Rounded corners, flat screen, one button, the whole thing.
You mean a phone that looks absolutely nothing like they iPhone or the iPhone interface? What about it?
By Apple's own definition, it is extremely similar: rectangular with rounded corners, even a flat screen.
By the way Samsung's F700 came out about a month after the iPhone, way to soon to copy, and the F700 looks even more like the iPhone, one button control and all. So many Samsung was copying the basic design of their F700, instead of the basic design of the iPhone?
Let me make this clearer if you don't understand: Cell phone makers compete with Apple. iOS does not compete directly with Android as no cell phone maker besides Apple uses it.
You keep trying to tap dance around the simple reality that people who buy Android phones will not be buying iPhones. Same with tablets. So Android devices compete directly with Apple devices. I am not sure who you think you are fooling.
However, in reality if Apple wanted to raise the price of Android, it would have sued Google and not Samsung.
Patent trolls, like Microsoft, and Apple, do this all the time. It's easier to fight Android indirectly, by suing companies that use Android. Why do you think Microsoft sued Barnes and Noble?
Apple's market consists of those who would buy premium products, possibly costing more than average, with a distinctive look and feel.
Unique? What is unique about it? The LG Prada came out before the iphone. The Samsung F700 came out about one month after the iphone, which means Samsung could not have copied. And the F700 looked a lot like an iphone, one button design, the whole thing.
Apple's unique claims are laughable "rectangle with rounded corners." That is like a tire manufacturer being sued for making tires that are round. Any smart phone is going to be designed to fit it your pocket, and to feel good in your hand.
Apple is scared to death of Android, and Apple is out to do some baby stabbing.
As for Prada's influence on the iPhone, there couldn't have been any, there was no time for Apple to have redesigned the iPhone.
By that same reasoning, the Samsung F700 (which looks a lot like an iPhone) could not have been copied from Apple. So that means that Samsung came up the design themselves, and did not copy Apple. So the Galaxy is just an extension of Samsung's design.
You are missing the point. Apple is not suing because they claim to invent the technology. They are suing because they feel Samsung copied their designs. The documents that Apple include are design patents and trade dress.
How can it be Apple's design, if other companies (LG) have used a very similar design before Apple?
For that matter, even Samsung came out with a very similar design (F700) just one month after the the iPhone. Clearly Samsung could have copies Apple in that short of time period. So maybe samsung is simply copying it's own design?
LG Prada (KE850): Introduced: December 2006. Released: January 2007 iPhone. Introduced: January 2007. Released: June 2007 Samsung F700. Introduced February 2007. Released: November 2007
All of these phones look a lot alike. And they were all introduced within a very short time span.
The iPhone could not have copied the Prada, because the iPhone was introduced too soon afterwards. But, by the same logic, the F700 could not have copied the iPhone.
Since the F700 looks so remarkably similar to the iPhone, how can Apple be sure that Samsung was not just copying it's own design?
It's not a question of whether anyone "would have" thought of it. It's a question of timing. The courts have been asked to judge whether Samsung has deliberately released a product that strongly reminds people of an iPhone, in order to encourage confusion between the two, and ride on the coattails of the enthusiasm the iPhone has garnered in the marketplace.
Then clearly Apple has not case.
Follow me on this
LG Prada (KE850): Introduced: December 2006. Released: January 2007 iPhone. Introduced: January 2007. Released: June 2007 Samsung F700. Introduced February 2007. Released: November 2007
All of these phones look a lot alike. And they were all introduced within a very short time span.
The iPhone could not have copied the Prada, because the iPhone was introduced too soon afterwards. But, by the same logic, the F700 could not have copied the iPhone.
Since the F700 looks so remarkably similar to the iPhone, how can Apple be sure that Samsung was not just copying it's own design?
Who again does Apple sell the iPhone to? Retailers and consumers. Who uses the Android? Cell phone manufacturers. Do consumers buy Android? Do retailers buy Android? No. This is what is meant by "direct."
Whatever you meant, the fact remains that Android devices directly compete with Apple devices. There is no getting around that. I am not sure you are so intent on obfuscating this simple reality.
Please. Apple has been threatened for ten years now by your definition. I don't think Apple is all that worried. They'll still make their computers regardless.
By any reasonable definition, unless you are a monopoly, then you are threatened by your competition. Apple would be stupid not to be "all that worried" by a direct competitor, that is gaining market share quickly.
No they sued MS because MS under the guise of better collaboration ripped off their designs. Unfortunately for Apple the agreement they signed with MS allowed MS to do what they did. If you don't believe me, look up the court documents.
All of Apple's "look and feel" lawsuits are laughable.
Apple have made their success by NOT worry about the competition but instead make things that they think people will buy.
Bullshit.
Android is growing fast, and it competes, very directly, with Apple. If people buy Android phones, then those same people are not buying iPhones. Don't think for one minute that Apple does not know this. Like Microsoft, Apple is looking to harass anybody who sells Android devices.
Is "everyone is suing everyone else in mobile" or are the proprietary companies all suing Android?
April 2011: Apple suee Samsung over Android March 2011: Microsoft sues Barnes & Noble, and Foxconn over Android * December 2010: Sony sues LG over Android October 2010: Microsoft sues motorola over Android August 2010: Oracle sues Google over Android and Java March 2010: Apple sues HTC over Android
* just when B&N announce the Color Nook as an Android Tablet
Apple isn't telling Samsung their devices can't be rounded rectangles.
Excuse me, but Apple is telling Samsung exactly that.
You can't seem to grasp the difference between copying of something and a category of something. Samsung isn't being sued for making something in the same category as Apple. The mere notion is ridiculous. They are being sued because their version of the device in that category too closely resembles the design of Apple's version.
Follow me on this
LG Prada (KE850): Introduced: December 2006. Released: January 2007 iPhone. Introduced: January 2007. Released: June 2007 Samsung F700. Introduced February 2007. Released: November 2007
All of these phones look a lot alike. And they were all introduced within a very short time span.
According to you: the iPhone could not have copied the Prada, because the iPhone was introduced too soon afterwards. But, by the same logic, the F700 could not have copied the iPhone.
Since the F700 looks so remarkably similar to the iPhone, how can Apple be sure that Samsung was not just copying it's own design?
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Get yourself educated. Apple is suing over "rectangular with rounded edges" and "color icons" that is Apple's own wording.
Of course Apple is not suing over the F700. My point is the F700 came out too soon after the iPhone for Samsung to have stolen the design. Which means the F700 was Samsung's design. Since the F700 looks so similar to the iPhone, maybe Samsung was just copying the design from the F700?
Barnes and Noble announced that the turn the Nook Color into a complete Android tablet - not just an ebook reader. That is when MS sued.
The only motive Apple needs, is their fiduciary duty to protect the value of the design work they've done. As a shareholder, I expect Apple to go after cloners with both barrels.
The Galaxy is not a clone, far from it. Did apple "clone" the O2 XDA Flame from 2006?
Apple's claims are laughable: "rectangular with rounded corners" and "color icons" come on now, really? Apple was not the first with either of those. The Star7 had color icons in 1992.
And you, and Apple with claim that Galaxy looks like an iPhone. They do not look alike at all. Aside from being rectangular with rounded edges, and using color icons. For example, the Galaxy has 3 bottons, and has a big "Samsung" written across the top. And the icons do not look that much alike at all.
Did you know the Star7 used color icons in 1992?
On the other hand, Samsung may not be quite the pushover the eMachines was. eMachines was basically broke, and therefore unable to fight back, when Apple filed the lawsuit.
Samsung is a much stronger company. Samsung is suing back, in several different countries.
It's completely true that Android's UI is a blatant attempt at copying iOS.
Apple did not invent nearly as much as you seem to thing. Do some research on the Star7: it was a wireless device, that had a touchscreen, and square color icons. The Star7 came out in 1992.
Then there the IBM Simon that came out in 1993.
- Square icons laid out in a grid
- touchscreen
- Combined the features of a mobile phone, a pager, a PDA, and a fax machine
- Besides a mobile phone, the major applications were a calendar, address book, world clock, calculator, note pad, e-mail, and games.
- It had no physical buttons to dial with. Instead customers used a touchscreen to select phone numbers with a finger or create facsimiles and memos with an optional stylus. Text was entered with either a unique "predictive" on-screen keyboard or QWERTY keyboard.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Simon
I find it much easier going from XP to Gnome, then going from XP to Win7.
What is your point? The Prada's images were released before the iPhone was introduced. Therefore Apple did not invent a device with "rectangular shape with rounded corners" or "a flat surface face."
Besides that, the F700 came out about one month after the iPhone. Way for soon for Samsung to have copied Apple. And the F700 looks nearly identical to an iPhone - right down to the one button design, and square icons. Clearly Samsung came up with that design on their own. Samsung only copied Samsung's own design.
Nonsense. The Samsung F700 came out about one month after the iPhone. Way too soon for Samsung to have copied Apple. Yet the phones look very similar. That means that Samsung was just copying Samsung's own design.
You keep reciting that LG Prada when it has shown not to be remotely similar. As for the F700, it also is not similar. That's why in Apple's lawsuit, it specifically names the Galaxy phone. Not the F700, not the Wave. Please do some research and actually read the links that others provide.
Not similar? I think this is Apple's own wording: "rectangular shape with rounded corners, silver edging, a flat surface face with substantial top and bottom black borders, gently curving edges on the back, and a display of colorful square icons with rounded corners."
Really now, how different is the F700? Lemme see:
- rectangular shape with rounded corners - check
- flat surface face with substantial top and bottom black borders - check
- square icons - check
But the icons are not colorful with rounded corners, big difference.
To look at the thing, the F700 looks very similar to me.
http://www.letsgomobile.org/en/0791/f700samsung/
So by you implying that Apple changed their design to copy the LG Prada after they made their announcement in December 2006 is somewhat laughable.
So by that exact same logic, there is no why that the Samsung F700 could have copied the iPhone right? After all the F700 was announced about one month after the iphone. So the F700 was Samsung's own design, right?
Seems to me that the F700 has "rectangular shape with rounded corners, silver edging, a flat surface face with substantial top and bottom black borders, gently curving edges on the back, and a display of colorful square icons with rounded corners."
So, using Apple's own wording, and logic, the Galaxy was derived from the F700's design.
Your logic is completely off. People here on slashdot claim that F700 preceded the iPhone therefore Apple copied it.
That is not what I posted. The F700 was announced about one month after the announcement of the iPhone. By your own reasoning, that is way too soon for Samsung to have copied Apple. Therefore, Samsung came up with the design themselves. Rounded corners, flat screen, one button, the whole thing.
And yes, the F700 looks a lot like an iPhone.
http://www.techsangv.com/haters-accuse-apple-of-ripping-off-samsung-as-iphone-cheated-the-degisn-of-samsung-a-report.html
Have you actually looked at a Samsung Galaxy and an iPhone side by side?
Hey, look at the that, the Galaxy has a rectangular design, and rounded corners, and a flat surface; just like the LG Prada, and the Samsung F700.
You mean a phone that looks absolutely nothing like they iPhone or the iPhone interface? What about it?
By Apple's own definition, it is extremely similar: rectangular with rounded corners, even a flat screen.
By the way Samsung's F700 came out about a month after the iPhone, way to soon to copy, and the F700 looks even more like the iPhone, one button control and all. So many Samsung was copying the basic design of their F700, instead of the basic design of the iPhone?
Let me make this clearer if you don't understand: Cell phone makers compete with Apple. iOS does not compete directly with Android as no cell phone maker besides Apple uses it.
You keep trying to tap dance around the simple reality that people who buy Android phones will not be buying iPhones. Same with tablets. So Android devices compete directly with Apple devices. I am not sure who you think you are fooling.
However, in reality if Apple wanted to raise the price of Android, it would have sued Google and not Samsung.
Patent trolls, like Microsoft, and Apple, do this all the time. It's easier to fight Android indirectly, by suing companies that use Android. Why do you think Microsoft sued Barnes and Noble?
Apple's market consists of those who would buy premium products, possibly costing more than average, with a distinctive look and feel.
Unique? What is unique about it? The LG Prada came out before the iphone. The Samsung F700 came out about one month after the iphone, which means Samsung could not have copied. And the F700 looked a lot like an iphone, one button design, the whole thing.
Apple's unique claims are laughable "rectangle with rounded corners." That is like a tire manufacturer being sued for making tires that are round. Any smart phone is going to be designed to fit it your pocket, and to feel good in your hand.
Apple is scared to death of Android, and Apple is out to do some baby stabbing.
As for Prada's influence on the iPhone, there couldn't have been any, there was no time for Apple to have redesigned the iPhone.
By that same reasoning, the Samsung F700 (which looks a lot like an iPhone) could not have been copied from Apple. So that means that Samsung came up the design themselves, and did not copy Apple. So the Galaxy is just an extension of Samsung's design.
You are missing the point. Apple is not suing because they claim to invent the technology. They are suing because they feel Samsung copied their designs. The documents that Apple include are design patents and trade dress.
How can it be Apple's design, if other companies (LG) have used a very similar design before Apple?
For that matter, even Samsung came out with a very similar design (F700) just one month after the the iPhone. Clearly Samsung could have copies Apple in that short of time period. So maybe samsung is simply copying it's own design?
Follow me on this
LG Prada (KE850): Introduced: December 2006. Released: January 2007
iPhone. Introduced: January 2007. Released: June 2007
Samsung F700. Introduced February 2007. Released: November 2007
All of these phones look a lot alike. And they were all introduced within a very short time span.
The iPhone could not have copied the Prada, because the iPhone was introduced too soon afterwards. But, by the same logic, the F700 could not have copied the iPhone.
Since the F700 looks so remarkably similar to the iPhone, how can Apple be sure that Samsung was not just copying it's own design?
It's not a question of whether anyone "would have" thought of it. It's a question of timing. The courts have been asked to judge whether Samsung has deliberately released a product that strongly reminds people of an iPhone, in order to encourage confusion between the two, and ride on the coattails of the enthusiasm the iPhone has garnered in the marketplace.
Then clearly Apple has not case.
Follow me on this
LG Prada (KE850): Introduced: December 2006. Released: January 2007
iPhone. Introduced: January 2007. Released: June 2007
Samsung F700. Introduced February 2007. Released: November 2007
All of these phones look a lot alike. And they were all introduced within a very short time span.
The iPhone could not have copied the Prada, because the iPhone was introduced too soon afterwards. But, by the same logic, the F700 could not have copied the iPhone.
Since the F700 looks so remarkably similar to the iPhone, how can Apple be sure that Samsung was not just copying it's own design?
Who again does Apple sell the iPhone to? Retailers and consumers. Who uses the Android? Cell phone manufacturers. Do consumers buy Android? Do retailers buy Android? No. This is what is meant by "direct."
Whatever you meant, the fact remains that Android devices directly compete with Apple devices. There is no getting around that. I am not sure you are so intent on obfuscating this simple reality.
Please. Apple has been threatened for ten years now by your definition. I don't think Apple is all that worried. They'll still make their computers regardless.
By any reasonable definition, unless you are a monopoly, then you are threatened by your competition. Apple would be stupid not to be "all that worried" by a direct competitor, that is gaining market share quickly.
No they sued MS because MS under the guise of better collaboration ripped off their designs. Unfortunately for Apple the agreement they signed with MS allowed MS to do what they did. If you don't believe me, look up the court documents.
All of Apple's "look and feel" lawsuits are laughable.
Maybe people are buying more iPhones, and Android phones.
But that doesn't mean that Apple doesn't feel threatened by Android.
Android is growing fast. Apple knows it, and doesn't like it.
Apple have made their success by NOT worry about the competition but instead make things that they think people will buy.
Bullshit.
Android is growing fast, and it competes, very directly, with Apple. If people buy Android phones, then those same people are not buying iPhones. Don't think for one minute that Apple does not know this. Like Microsoft, Apple is looking to harass anybody who sells Android devices.
Is "everyone is suing everyone else in mobile" or are the proprietary companies all suing Android?
April 2011: Apple suee Samsung over Android
March 2011: Microsoft sues Barnes & Noble, and Foxconn over Android *
December 2010: Sony sues LG over Android
October 2010: Microsoft sues motorola over Android
August 2010: Oracle sues Google over Android and Java
March 2010: Apple sues HTC over Android
* just when B&N announce the Color Nook as an Android Tablet
So wait... is Android winning or is it a baby that needs coddling?
It is still early in the game. But Android is gaining market share quickly, and that makes Apple nervous.
Apple feels threatened, and Apple is resorting to Tonya Harding tactics to remove the threat.
Apple isn't telling Samsung their devices can't be rounded rectangles.
Excuse me, but Apple is telling Samsung exactly that.
You can't seem to grasp the difference between copying of something and a category of something. Samsung isn't being sued for making something in the same category as Apple. The mere notion is ridiculous. They are being sued because their version of the device in that category too closely resembles the design of Apple's version.
Follow me on this
LG Prada (KE850): Introduced: December 2006. Released: January 2007
iPhone. Introduced: January 2007. Released: June 2007
Samsung F700. Introduced February 2007. Released: November 2007
All of these phones look a lot alike. And they were all introduced within a very short time span.
According to you: the iPhone could not have copied the Prada, because the iPhone was introduced too soon afterwards. But, by the same logic, the F700 could not have copied the iPhone.
Since the F700 looks so remarkably similar to the iPhone, how can Apple be sure that Samsung was not just copying it's own design?