Seriously? With Android sales growing like wildfire, you cannot see how android would be a threat to Microsoft and Apple? Really?
Worthwhile Android tablets are just coming out now. And you don't think Apple sees that as any threat? Come on now, don't be stupid. It's easier to kill an infant, than to wait until it grows up. This is a simple case of baby stabbing.
Don't be a stupid zealot. Android is growing fast, and is huge threat to Apple, and other proprietary companies. You would have to be a complete fool not to see that. Apple may be selling all the devices they can make right now, but what next year, and the year after that. Worthwhile Android are just now starting to come out. Apple has to stab those babies.
This is a harassment lawsuit. Just like Microsoft suing HTC, Barnes & Noble, and Foxconn. There are many similar lawsuits around right now. The entire scox scam was a similar suit. This is the way that proprietary companies fight back against F/OSS.
Apple wants to harass, and intimidate, any company that has anything to do with Android. Microsoft, Oracle, and Sony, are doing the same thing. The excuse used to file the lawsuit is entirely irrelevant. What is important is to know that: if you support Android, you are going to be sued.
April 2011: Apple suee Samsung over Android March 2011: Microsoft sues Barnes & Noble, and Foxconn over Android * December 2010: Sony sues LG over Android October 2010: Microsoft sues motorola over Android August 2010: Oracle sues Google over Android and Java March 2010: Apple sues HTC over Android
* just when B&N announce the Color Nook as an Android Tablet
Please don't let you Apple zealotry get in the way of your common sense. Android is clearly a threat to Apple. Apple may be selling every iphone they can make right now, but what about five years from now? What if Android gets about 70% of the market, and Apple starts losing iOS developers?
This is the old Microsoft practice of baby stabbing. Android is growing fast. You would have to be a complete fool to think that Apple does not feel threatened by a more open, less expensive, technology.
April 2011: Apple sues Samsung over Android March 2011: Microsoft sues Barnes & Noble, and Foxconn over Android * December 2010: Sony sues LG over Android October 2010: Microsoft sues Motorola over Android August 2010: Oracle sues Google over Android and Java March 2010: Apple sues HTC over Android
* just when B&N announce the Color Nook as an Android Tablet
Apple iPhone illegally tracks users - April 2011 Apple suee Samsung over "rectangle with rounded corners" - April 2011 Apple sues Amazon over the phrase "App Store" - March 2011 Apple hides and denies iPhone-4 defects - June 2010 Apple sues HTC over Android - March 2010
Not that any of this is new for Apple. Remember Apple's "look and feel" lawsuit against Microsoft, about 20 years ago?
Care to be specific? Please give me a specific example of something PJ published that is provably "loonie."
I suspect you are just trying to smear Groklaw, in order to shill for Microsoft. Prove me wrong.
In all the years that groklaw has existed, I cannot think of one thing published that is provable false. But, that does not seem to slow down the Microsoft smear campaign.
Nokia profits slump with huge falls in North American division . . . In North America the performance was worse, with sales slumping 36% year-on-year, and by 40% compared to the previous quarter, but starting from a much lower base
Why are you so sure? I think this same company successfully sued Red Hat, and other companies. In Slashdot's 2009 article about Bedrock, Bedrock was suing a F/OSS company called CitiWare. Now CitiWare is, apparently, out of business.
Except that is this is only one of several such lawsuits, and there may be many more on the way.
PJ, at Groklaw, suspects that Microsoft is behind these lawsuits, and she suspects that there are many more on the way.
If I might remind you, Mike Anderer told us years ago, back in 2004, that this was Microsoft's plan, to see to it that FOSS companies got sued over and over again for patent infringement, until they gave out
I suspect Microsoft may have 50 or more of these lawsuits in the queue.
Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols wrote a great article about it:
Idiotic Anti-Linux & Google Patent Decision
Red Hat has sued Bedrock to get the patent revoked for numerous reasons. Among others, they point out that Linux, which dates to 1991, predates the 1997 patent; that no one has ever used the patent; and that in any case Bedrock has no claims to the patent
And PJ commented on Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols article:
"If I might remind you, Mike Anderer told us years ago, back in 2004, that this was Microsoft's plan, to see to it that FOSS companies got sued over and over again for patent infringement, until they gave out: "In a world where there are $500 million dollar patent infringement lawsuits imposed on OS companies (although this is not completely settled yet), how would somebody like Red Hat compete when 6 months ago they only had $80-$90 million in cash? At that point they could not even afford to settle a fraction of a single judgment without devastating their shareholders. I suspect Microsoft may have 50 or more of these lawsuits in the queue. All of them are not asking for hundreds of millions, but most would be large enough to ruin anything but the largest companies. Red Hat did recently raise several hundred million which certainly gives them more staying power. Ultimately, I do not think any company except a few of the largest companies can offer any reasonable insulation to their customers from these types of judgments. You would need a market cap of more than a couple billion to just survive in the OS space." So that's what he said. And 50 or more lawsuits lined up means using proxies, obviously. Remember Microsoft trying to sell some of its patents that read on Linux, or so they claimed, to patent trolls? OIN played man in the middle on that one, but who is to say that was the only one? That's why it's an antitrust issue, I'd say, using patents like this as an anticompetitive weapon. And if you want to know what is wrong with software patents, the damage they are doing, read the quotations from various business executives (like Andy Grove) in the footnotes to this article.]"
http://groklaw.net/
BTW: the F/OSS company, CitiWare, mentioned in the first slashdot article about Bedrock, is apparently out of business. I wonder if they were sued out of business?
Then why are so many patent trolls in east Texas? What law was the judge forced to apply? It's the, seemingly, mentally retarded juries, that so often come to such idiotic conclusions.
Apparently the company is owned by an East Texas lawyer, and does not do anything except file patent lawsuits against everybody.
Patent Litigation Weekly: PubPat and "Patent Troll" Make Strange Bedfellows
Meanwhile, it's not unusual that a patent-enforcement company recently set up in East Texas would file suit there this week against ten Internet-based and software companies. Nor is it unusual that Texas corporate records show the company is owned by an erstwhile big-firm lawyer, in this case David Garrod, formerly of Goodwin Procter.
Here is a sad, 2009 slashdot article about the company.
Patent Trolls Target Small East Texas Companies
> Posted by kdawson on Friday July 24 2009, @09:14AM > from the patently-absurd dept. > An anonymous reader writes "In a sign that patent trolls are getting desperate to keep their cases in East Texas — long known as the friendliest venue for their claims — some have taken to suing tiny, no-name companies that are run by East Texas residents. The hope is that, if at least one defendant is located in East Texas, the judge will keep the entire case there. Nate Neel, a Longview, Texas resident with a small open source software company called CitiWare, was sued by Bedrock Computer Technologies in June despite (he claims) having no customers or other meaningful operations of any kind. In response, Mr. Neel has posted a strongly worded letter to Bedrock's attorneys on his Web site. It will be interesting to see how East Texas judges respond to this abuse of process perpetrated against their own residents."
http://slashdot.org/index2.pl?fhfilter=bedrock
BTW: the F/OSS company, CitiWare, is no longer in business. Sued of existence?
Although I don't trust Florian Mueller any further than I can spit, I think it may be informative to read his blog post on the subject. Florian does provide court records, and good description of the patent in question.
Run F/OSS on it, or old versions of windows software.
For the browser, for sure, you will need some kind of F/OSS.
Some printers, or wireless NICs, might give you trouble. For that matter, if you need new, high-end, hardware, you might find it difficult to get drivers.
I used Win2k for years after msft stopped support. In many respects, I thin Win2K is the best OS msft ever made. At least you don't have the registration headaches, or fisher-price interface.
Um...last time I checked there are around 73,357,145,315* companies in the world which will provide support for Micorosoft products.
But those companies cannot dig down into the guts of the OS, or the apps.
This is very different than the situation for companies that support F/OSS.
Please do not misunderstand, I am not saying that F/OSS is ideal for everything. But, being open, can have significant advantages. At least, in some cases.
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Seriously? With Android sales growing like wildfire, you cannot see how android would be a threat to Microsoft and Apple? Really?
Worthwhile Android tablets are just coming out now. And you don't think Apple sees that as any threat? Come on now, don't be stupid. It's easier to kill an infant, than to wait until it grows up. This is a simple case of baby stabbing.
Don't be a dumb fanboy. Android is growing like wildfire, and is a huge threat to companies like Apple and Microsoft.
Seriously? I think it has more to do with a company trying to make a product that looks like Apple's.
Does that work the other way around? What about Apple making products that look like the LG Prada (which came out well before the iPhone)?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LG_PRADA
The simplest and therefore most likely explanation for this lawsuit is that Apple doesn't like their designs being copied.
Their designs? You might want to look at the LG Prada, which came out about a year before the iPhone.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LG_PRADA
Don't be a stupid zealot. Android is growing fast, and is huge threat to Apple, and other proprietary companies. You would have to be a complete fool not to see that. Apple may be selling all the devices they can make right now, but what next year, and the year after that. Worthwhile Android are just now starting to come out. Apple has to stab those babies.
This is a harassment lawsuit. Just like Microsoft suing HTC, Barnes & Noble, and Foxconn. There are many similar lawsuits around right now. The entire scox scam was a similar suit. This is the way that proprietary companies fight back against F/OSS.
Apple wants to harass, and intimidate, any company that has anything to do with Android. Microsoft, Oracle, and Sony, are doing the same thing. The excuse used to file the lawsuit is entirely irrelevant. What is important is to know that: if you support Android, you are going to be sued.
April 2011: Apple suee Samsung over Android
March 2011: Microsoft sues Barnes & Noble, and Foxconn over Android *
December 2010: Sony sues LG over Android
October 2010: Microsoft sues motorola over Android
August 2010: Oracle sues Google over Android and Java
March 2010: Apple sues HTC over Android
* just when B&N announce the Color Nook as an Android Tablet
Please don't let you Apple zealotry get in the way of your common sense. Android is clearly a threat to Apple. Apple may be selling every iphone they can make right now, but what about five years from now? What if Android gets about 70% of the market, and Apple starts losing iOS developers?
This is the old Microsoft practice of baby stabbing. Android is growing fast. You would have to be a complete fool to think that Apple does not feel threatened by a more open, less expensive, technology.
Tag Team effort against Android?
April 2011: Apple sues Samsung over Android
March 2011: Microsoft sues Barnes & Noble, and Foxconn over Android *
December 2010: Sony sues LG over Android
October 2010: Microsoft sues Motorola over Android
August 2010: Oracle sues Google over Android and Java
March 2010: Apple sues HTC over Android
* just when B&N announce the Color Nook as an Android Tablet
In just over one year:
Apple iPhone illegally tracks users - April 2011
Apple suee Samsung over "rectangle with rounded corners" - April 2011
Apple sues Amazon over the phrase "App Store" - March 2011
Apple hides and denies iPhone-4 defects - June 2010
Apple sues HTC over Android - March 2010
Not that any of this is new for Apple. Remember Apple's "look and feel" lawsuit against Microsoft, about 20 years ago?
Don't most tablets just connect to a wireless router, and the wireless router is connected to a physical cable?
Care to be specific? Please give me a specific example of something PJ published that is provably "loonie."
I suspect you are just trying to smear Groklaw, in order to shill for Microsoft. Prove me wrong.
In all the years that groklaw has existed, I cannot think of one thing published that is provable false. But, that does not seem to slow down the Microsoft smear campaign.
Nokia profits slump with huge falls in North American division
. . .
In North America the performance was worse, with sales slumping 36% year-on-year, and by 40% compared to the previous quarter, but starting from a much lower base
http://www.brandrepublic.com/news/article/1066882/nokia-profits-slump-huge-falls-north-american-division/
Why are you so sure? I think this same company successfully sued Red Hat, and other companies. In Slashdot's 2009 article about Bedrock, Bedrock was suing a F/OSS company called CitiWare. Now CitiWare is, apparently, out of business.
I wouldn't get too worked up about this.
Except that is this is only one of several such lawsuits, and there may be many more on the way.
PJ, at Groklaw, suspects that Microsoft is behind these lawsuits, and she suspects that there are many more on the way.
If I might remind you, Mike Anderer told us years ago, back in 2004, that this was Microsoft's plan, to see to it that FOSS companies got sued over and over again for patent infringement, until they gave out
I suspect Microsoft may have 50 or more of these lawsuits in the queue.
http://groklaw.net/
Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols wrote a great article about it:
Idiotic Anti-Linux & Google Patent Decision
Red Hat has sued Bedrock to get the patent revoked for numerous reasons. Among others, they point out that Linux, which dates to 1991, predates the 1997 patent; that no one has ever used the patent; and that in any case Bedrock has no claims to the patent
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/idiotic-anti-linux-google-patent-decision/8736
And PJ commented on Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols article:
"If I might remind you, Mike Anderer told us years ago, back in 2004, that this was Microsoft's plan, to see to it that FOSS companies got sued over and over again for patent infringement, until they gave out: "In a world where there are $500 million dollar patent infringement lawsuits imposed on OS companies (although this is not completely settled yet), how would somebody like Red Hat compete when 6 months ago they only had $80-$90 million in cash? At that point they could not even afford to settle a fraction of a single judgment without devastating their shareholders. I suspect Microsoft may have 50 or more of these lawsuits in the queue. All of them are not asking for hundreds of millions, but most would be large enough to ruin anything but the largest companies. Red Hat did recently raise several hundred million which certainly gives them more staying power. Ultimately, I do not think any company except a few of the largest companies can offer any reasonable insulation to their customers from these types of judgments. You would need a market cap of more than a couple billion to just survive in the OS space." So that's what he said. And 50 or more lawsuits lined up means using proxies, obviously. Remember Microsoft trying to sell some of its patents that read on Linux, or so they claimed, to patent trolls? OIN played man in the middle on that one, but who is to say that was the only one? That's why it's an antitrust issue, I'd say, using patents like this as an anticompetitive weapon. And if you want to know what is wrong with software patents, the damage they are doing, read the quotations from various business executives (like Andy Grove) in the footnotes to this article.]"
http://groklaw.net/
BTW: the F/OSS company, CitiWare, mentioned in the first slashdot article about Bedrock, is apparently out of business. I wonder if they were sued out of business?
Then why are so many patent trolls in east Texas? What law was the judge forced to apply? It's the, seemingly, mentally retarded juries, that so often come to such idiotic conclusions.
They sure seem like it.
Also a good way to kill the foss competition.
If companies like Microsoft, and Apple, are successful, then yes.
Apparently the company is owned by an East Texas lawyer, and does not do anything except file patent lawsuits against everybody.
Patent Litigation Weekly: PubPat and "Patent Troll" Make Strange Bedfellows
Meanwhile, it's not unusual that a patent-enforcement company recently set up in East Texas would file suit there this week against ten Internet-based and software companies. Nor is it unusual that Texas corporate records show the company is owned by an erstwhile big-firm lawyer, in this case David Garrod, formerly of Goodwin Procter.
http://thepriorart.typepad.com/the_prior_art/2009/06/pubpat-and-patent-troll-make-strange-bedfellows.html
Here is a sad, 2009 slashdot article about the company.
Patent Trolls Target Small East Texas Companies
> Posted by kdawson on Friday July 24 2009, @09:14AM
> from the patently-absurd dept.
> An anonymous reader writes "In a sign that patent trolls are getting desperate to keep their cases in East Texas — long known as the friendliest venue for their claims — some have taken to suing tiny, no-name companies that are run by East Texas residents. The hope is that, if at least one defendant is located in East Texas, the judge will keep the entire case there. Nate Neel, a Longview, Texas resident with a small open source software company called CitiWare, was sued by Bedrock Computer Technologies in June despite (he claims) having no customers or other meaningful operations of any kind. In response, Mr. Neel has posted a strongly worded letter to Bedrock's attorneys on his Web site. It will be interesting to see how East Texas judges respond to this abuse of process perpetrated against their own residents."
http://slashdot.org/index2.pl?fhfilter=bedrock
BTW: the F/OSS company, CitiWare, is no longer in business. Sued of existence?
Although I don't trust Florian Mueller any further than I can spit, I think it may be informative to read his blog post on the subject. Florian does provide court records, and good description of the patent in question.
http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011/04/texas-jury-finds-against-google-in.html
Run F/OSS on it, or old versions of windows software.
For the browser, for sure, you will need some kind of F/OSS.
Some printers, or wireless NICs, might give you trouble. For that matter, if you need new, high-end, hardware, you might find it difficult to get drivers.
I used Win2k for years after msft stopped support. In many respects, I thin Win2K is the best OS msft ever made. At least you don't have the registration headaches, or fisher-price interface.
Um...last time I checked there are around 73,357,145,315* companies in the world which will provide support for Micorosoft products.
But those companies cannot dig down into the guts of the OS, or the apps.
This is very different than the situation for companies that support F/OSS.
Please do not misunderstand, I am not saying that F/OSS is ideal for everything. But, being open, can have significant advantages. At least, in some cases.
In the 1970s, Gerald Ford attempted to fix the US inflation problem by handing out "WIN" (Whip Inflation Now) buttons.
Yeah, that'll do it.