i agree with the "I never would have learned anything if I thought like that."
you should not be here, @/. if you think like that, you are a block to higher learning, your logic is illogical, and Spok really would hate you if he could!
People a great for one reason, our ability to learn and overcome problems. We be in the stone age still if we couldn't "hack" what is know and try to improve it.
every invention known to man is a "hack" of existing knowledge.
Not that i want the product of the research(such as this fusion reactor) but i want the abiility to enjoy free access and benefit from it. If someone develops this reactor and then sells me the electricity, i have a problem with that UNLESS i have the option of building my own. If someone builds the reactor and GIVES me the electricity(or my payments are simply cost recovery)then i have seen direct benefit from what i paid for.
Also, in another post i made, i refered to my ability to use the roads i pay for in my taxes, That is FREE use of the roads, i could also build me own roads if i wanted, using all the modern technology my pocketbook could handle. FREE use, direct benefit for taxpayers.
This argument is accurate because i paid(in taxes)these people to design this idea, NOT to build a market ready version, they would have every right to build a commercial version, but i shoudl have that right as well.
No license out is good enough for this, software produced by governemt or publicly funded sites should be:
1) available as public domain to the people who paid for it(citizens that funded it through taxes)
2) only legally available to those people, this software was not free, but paid for out of the citizens pockets. Only the citizens should have the right to descide the fate of the software.
3) not be used by a commercial opperation UNLESS any adaptations or enhancements are released is the same manner as the original code. as in Microsoft could use the code in windows BUT would have to release the software back to the people freely, openly.
i pay for a good deal of things here in the US, i beleive that what i pay for in Taxes, i should have available to me. I pay for roads so i can drive on those roads, so that the roads can bring services to me etc. i pay for my government so my government can provide safety for me. No one can stop me from the things i pay for in taxes except myself, this should be the same for software that my taxes pay for.
I dont think that this should just be for the US, people of Denmark pay much taxes, more than i do. So they should also have a right to software that they pay for, also, i should not inherit the right to that software unless the danes wish me to.
here in Billings Montana, myself and 200,000 other residents have not only a cap, but DNS problems and DHCP problems as well, our cap is supposed to be 1.5mb but i cant dl from anywhere faster than 120-130KBps, thats more like a 1mb cap, and my uploads are still limited to about 128kb.
first of all, the people that died on sept 11 were unfortunate americans, and im a patriot and all but that does not qualify them as brave(with exception of the firefighters,etc).
second, if we abandon everything so that we can go after one guy(this was implied in the previous comment) then we are a very sad country.
the space program does a whole lot more for us than "waste money"
Many usefull things have come out of NASA, most importantly knowledge.
the 120 some million americans can do a whole lot more than just focus on terror. We have to keep moving and developing, as in keep programs like NASA running. The space station also gives us a certain respect from other nations and people, they know that only america can do stuff like this.
not to mention that you are an anonymous coward!
AND, not that im defending him, but Bin Laden has not been proven of the sept11 attack, he is just a major terrorist and the first target of many, dont use this one man to focus everything bad you knoww on, focus on the terrorism itself. anything else would be mob justice which is not justice at all.
a Mac is not the answer. i agree that Macs have gone a long way in the "getting hardware reasonably up to date" department but, it seems to also take the platform longer to adopt new technologies. also, the Mac does not need a BIOS BECAUSE Macs are build identical in batches of 100's of boxes, they dont need to detect hardware in the system on each boot, its done once at the plant and burned into firmware for the next 100 boxes. you could do this on a PC but youd have to burn a new firmware for every motherboard, with everyCPU, for every type of RAM, for SCSI or IDE, etc.
IMO, comparing png to gif and saying png is larger is like complaining that DVD uses more data that VHS. Sure, DVD uses WAY more data space than VHS BUT it uses this space for better quality and options, you COULD disable many of these features to create a smaller file size. PNG can make an identicle picture to a gif at a smaller file size, and in fact can make a better image and the same or smaller size. most people tend to go with options over file size because png just look so much better and are more versitile.
RAID not the answer, each added disk reducess the reliability of the storage volume. IDE or SCSI is like this, compensating by using a 0+1 or 5 array is just that, compensating for the loss in reliability, pure mirroring is the only way to gain reliability in a RAID array, and in a mirrored array, you lose some read and write speed to overhead. here is what needs to be done:
RAM speeds are becoming very, VERY low, i can get 1GB of pc133 shipped to my shop of under $100. if you want speed, and reliability, you must use a raid 1 array consisting of 1 static RAM drive, and 1 IDE/SCSI drive of equal capacity for the mirror. Static RAM drivers have a battery to keep them charger during powerless states, and drive speed would definitely not be an issue for a very long time(8.5ms IDE drive vs 8.5ns Static RAM drive)(transfer rates or 1050MB/s MAX) and with that low of latency thoroughput on the drive would be much closer to 1050MB/s. keep the IDE/SCSI mirror asyncronous. ide like to see linux boot times with a static drive../hdparm -tT/dev/hda:) or would it be/dev/sta for static drive??
of coarse a 100GB drive would cost $10000, but we want performance and money is no object:)
SCSI is old, decrepid, and it will become completely obsolete here very shortly as well. We need a new standard, not a rehash of old crap that we have been complaining about for the last 10 years.
more accurately, would you pay 14K$ for a chev cavalier or 16k$ or an eclipseGT? we aren't talking 300% improvements here, were talking 5-25%, thats it.
this is not either an evolution or a revolution. it is a quick fix the legacy problems of "modern" computers.
but still...
a good idea. for example, the article states that a CISC to RISC translation would still be inefficient, how much so?? would a 1.4ghz athlon be equivilent to a 500mhz PPC or would it be better? could this all a much more usfull form of emulation, as in i cant afford a g5 MAC for macOSX so ill just use my athlon?.
also, with the claim of possible speed improvements accross RISC to RISC translation this may light a bit of a fire under the arses of some of the big players(intel-IBM) to build a new arcitecture with these optimizations in hardware.
this could be used as a tool for competition with transmeta with some good hardware backing it up. a CPU could be made as a base and the translation hardware could be pre-programmed to emulate multiple platforms. people would no longer have to worry about which arcitecture their WinCE apps are compiled for because their chip would run MIPS or ARM at nativelike speeds.
Welcome to the realy world people, your trying to compare apples to monitors. your also trying to compare performance of different chip based on the output of the software and NOT what is actually happening inside.
Photoshop6 on PC vs Mac are two completely different programs. open them up in a hex editor and you be hard pressed to find ANYTHING similar about them. sure they come from the same(or similar) source code, but then they go throught the copiler.
also, dont compare clock speed, clock speed does not matter*, its one small part of what makes a CPU fast. Long ago i played with digital Alpha systems and learned that an Alpha 500mhz kicked the crap out of a 500mhz p2/k62.
The PowerPC is VERY fast at some things, and average or slow at others, one thing i have noticed though is that the x86 arcitecture is more well rounded. It has good(not excelent) integer and floating point performance, and it doesnt really have a weak point as far as performance.
x86 has huge advantages as far as support, chipsets, standards implementation, OS support, availability, etc. i guess you could argue that some of these could be weaknesses like, too many chipsets and standards to be stable or easily supported. apples proprietary hardware has made it much easier for them to support.
in my opinion, this arguement is getting fairly close to useless, in just a few months their will be brand new chips and architectures to argue over about performance:) P4@2+Ghz, Athlon4, Hammer, itanium.:)
i liked the post about multiple systems, this IS the cheapest way to go, additional PCI slots cost a lot of money and have latency because of the cable length and the fact that you are basically routing multiple PCI slots through a single slot.
use a high end system for your "main" box, with your tbird and vid card and sound. thats one slot & an agp. then strap in 2 100Mbps NICs.
with the serial card, its 4 PCI, 1 AGP.
then put your SCSI devices in a second computer, el-cheap video, no sound, much hard drive space, and two 100Mbps NICs.
guess what.....you dont even need to invest in a hub, just plug 2 crossover cables between the two machines. you have 200Mbits one way, or 400Mbits two ways in full duplex, thats some speed. and just think, if you run linux on the second box, you dont need a KVM switch at all. just telnet in or use an X server for the OS on your main machine or XCBM to the linux box. X-Win32 seems to be a good one for windows. tell you what, KDE looks/work great XCBM'ed accross a 100mbps LAN, then you can run windows and linux apps side-by-side:).
you can use samba to make network shares and map them to a drive letter in windows. use some hardware or software raid in the linux box for some speed........
i have done a similar setup at my home a few times, it works great. that and you can stick the computer with the SCSI drives somewhere else if they are loud and you dont have to put up with the sound! you can also install a few extra cooling fans for those hot drives without the noise as well.
there should be laws against full embryo cloning, as in no clones shal be made for the point of them developing into a complete human.
we should allow the cloning of parts of humans, human tissue, in all essence, anything but a human brain. the technology would improve to the point of being usefull in the medical field.
this way we aren't "playing god" but we still make advancements for our own survival.
here is a question for you. Where would man be without medicines? would we have died out or would we have better immune systems? We need to choose our path for the future, not half-a*s*s* it and live somewhere in the middle. Medical Technology or Nature, take your pick.
outlawing medical miracles that could lead to better/longer/happier lives. Oh, you gotta blown knee? here , have another, take two! they're cheap and they grow in jars!
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a:
yes
b:
the whole point of the lawsuit that allowed AMD (and others)to use x86 stated that there is a fixed price, and that that fixed price is relatively low to allow for fair competition.
an electron has width, fundemental law of physics, anything with any mass has demention, the electrons have virtually no mass, but "virtually" not "literally" there is some thing there, therefore there is width. and thats the whole point tunneling isn't going to happen until we are using a MUCH smaller scale.
1:
the hammer series will run 32bit significantly faster than current 32bit chips.
2:
AMD uses a fairly up-to-date implementation of the x86 codeset, especially compared to the aging p3 line
3.Lots of people use linux
4.didn't you know? MS is also developing hammer native versions of XP.
5. no, i didn't buy a PPro to run 3.11, oh wait, i didnt even buy a PPro at all, i liked my AMD DX5 120Mhz thank you very much!
6. Leave Cmndr Taco alone, he is a hero damn it!
7. intel didnt inovate for 9 years(p6), and now their inovation commes when there are 2billion x86 PCs on the planet and no one wants to buy new software.
8.did i mention that LOTS of people use linux / BSD, and that linux is the fasted growing OS? i use linux, in fact unless im wrong on this, slashdots servers are on a *nix like OS?(netBSD?)
9.glitzy 64bit extentions are bad? i think its a VERY inovative way to maintain compatability AND still increase performance.
10.Hammer will run win95, win98, win2000, winXP, winnt.etc win 32bit mode with a significate spead boost.
i think the point was that tunnelling currents are now something that is being considered as the next hurdle instead of someday we will make chip that are 200nanometers accross(like 486 days) now we are just below the size and we have the same norrow look ahead BUT at lease the old sci-fi is comming true:-) btw, where is my flying car?
Apples mistake was not going to a radically new architecture, it was going specifically to the powerPC. this was not a mistake at the time of coarse, but if they could have seen the future more clearly. i think:
apple should have stayed SCSI:-)
(ok this is expensive but it was just plan cool)
apple should have gone ALPHA risc:-)
(cause alphas could scale WELL beyond the PowerPC, and they were much faster per clock)
apple should have done something intuitive when asked to put a second mouse button on.
apple should have gone next or beos when they thought of it, BeOS kicks !!
and apple should have never lost the education market.
I like AMD as well, the p3 was a great chip, but it was built with intel being cocky, not thinking AMD would compete so well. the p4 is a dissapointment, crippled from the beginning. I think intel knows what they are doing so they will compete very strongly for a long while, but now AMD is top dog, and unlike intel, they had to bust some A*s*s* to get where they are fighting an uphill battle against a monopoly. Intel has the muscles and the marketing power, but AMD has the heart and the fanbase. it will be fun to watch, and to see the processor speed soar from competition:)
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so when will radeon 8500 support DRI in xfree86?
when will there be full hardware support for radeon 8500?
i agree with the "I never would have learned anything if I thought like that."
/. if you think like that, you are a block to higher learning, your logic is illogical, and Spok really would hate you if he could!
you should not be here, @
People a great for one reason, our ability to learn and overcome problems. We be in the stone age still if we couldn't "hack" what is know and try to improve it.
every invention known to man is a "hack" of existing knowledge.
In other words, it is a GOOD THING®
Not that i want the product of the research(such as this fusion reactor) but i want the abiility to enjoy free access and benefit from it. If someone develops this reactor and then sells me the electricity, i have a problem with that UNLESS i have the option of building my own. If someone builds the reactor and GIVES me the electricity(or my payments are simply cost recovery)then i have seen direct benefit from what i paid for.
Also, in another post i made, i refered to my ability to use the roads i pay for in my taxes, That is FREE use of the roads, i could also build me own roads if i wanted, using all the modern technology my pocketbook could handle. FREE use, direct benefit for taxpayers.
This argument is accurate because i paid(in taxes)these people to design this idea, NOT to build a market ready version, they would have every right to build a commercial version, but i shoudl have that right as well.
No license out is good enough for this, software produced by governemt or publicly funded sites should be:
1) available as public domain to the people who paid for it(citizens that funded it through taxes)
2) only legally available to those people, this software was not free, but paid for out of the citizens pockets. Only the citizens should have the right to descide the fate of the software.
3) not be used by a commercial opperation UNLESS any adaptations or enhancements are released is the same manner as the original code. as in Microsoft could use the code in windows BUT would have to release the software back to the people freely, openly.
i pay for a good deal of things here in the US, i beleive that what i pay for in Taxes, i should have available to me. I pay for roads so i can drive on those roads, so that the roads can bring services to me etc. i pay for my government so my government can provide safety for me. No one can stop me from the things i pay for in taxes except myself, this should be the same for software that my taxes pay for.
I dont think that this should just be for the US, people of Denmark pay much taxes, more than i do. So they should also have a right to software that they pay for, also, i should not inherit the right to that software unless the danes wish me to.
here in Billings Montana, myself and 200,000 other residents have not only a cap, but DNS problems and DHCP problems as well, our cap is supposed to be 1.5mb but i cant dl from anywhere faster than 120-130KBps, thats more like a 1mb cap, and my uploads are still limited to about 128kb.
first of all, the people that died on sept 11 were unfortunate americans, and im a patriot and all but that does not qualify them as brave(with exception of the firefighters,etc).
second, if we abandon everything so that we can go after one guy(this was implied in the previous comment) then we are a very sad country.
the space program does a whole lot more for us than "waste money"
Many usefull things have come out of NASA, most importantly knowledge.
the 120 some million americans can do a whole lot more than just focus on terror. We have to keep moving and developing, as in keep programs like NASA running. The space station also gives us a certain respect from other nations and people, they know that only america can do stuff like this.
not to mention that you are an anonymous coward!
AND, not that im defending him, but Bin Laden has not been proven of the sept11 attack, he is just a major terrorist and the first target of many, dont use this one man to focus everything bad you knoww on, focus on the terrorism itself. anything else would be mob justice which is not justice at all.
a Mac is not the answer. i agree that Macs have gone a long way in the "getting hardware reasonably up to date" department but, it seems to also take the platform longer to adopt new technologies. also, the Mac does not need a BIOS BECAUSE Macs are build identical in batches of 100's of boxes, they dont need to detect hardware in the system on each boot, its done once at the plant and burned into firmware for the next 100 boxes. you could do this on a PC but youd have to burn a new firmware for every motherboard, with everyCPU, for every type of RAM, for SCSI or IDE, etc.
IMO, comparing png to gif and saying png is larger is like complaining that DVD uses more data that VHS. Sure, DVD uses WAY more data space than VHS BUT it uses this space for better quality and options, you COULD disable many of these features to create a smaller file size. PNG can make an identicle picture to a gif at a smaller file size, and in fact can make a better image and the same or smaller size. most people tend to go with options over file size because png just look so much better and are more versitile.
RAID not the answer, each added disk reducess the reliability of the storage volume. IDE or SCSI is like this, compensating by using a 0+1 or 5 array is just that, compensating for the loss in reliability, pure mirroring is the only way to gain reliability in a RAID array, and in a mirrored array, you lose some read and write speed to overhead. here is what needs to be done:
./hdparm -tT /dev/hda :) or would it be /dev/sta for static drive??
:)
RAM speeds are becoming very, VERY low, i can get 1GB of pc133 shipped to my shop of under $100. if you want speed, and reliability, you must use a raid 1 array consisting of 1 static RAM drive, and 1 IDE/SCSI drive of equal capacity for the mirror. Static RAM drivers have a battery to keep them charger during powerless states, and drive speed would definitely not be an issue for a very long time(8.5ms IDE drive vs 8.5ns Static RAM drive)(transfer rates or 1050MB/s MAX) and with that low of latency thoroughput on the drive would be much closer to 1050MB/s. keep the IDE/SCSI mirror asyncronous. ide like to see linux boot times with a static drive.
of coarse a 100GB drive would cost $10000, but we want performance and money is no object
SCSI is old, decrepid, and it will become completely obsolete here very shortly as well. We need a new standard, not a rehash of old crap that we have been complaining about for the last 10 years.
more accurately, would you pay 14K$ for a chev cavalier or 16k$ or an eclipseGT? we aren't talking 300% improvements here, were talking 5-25%, thats it.
actually, sun does build computers, they are a computer maker. Also, you could run linux on this card if you could get it to function.
Oh,guess what troll, sun also makes solaris and has an ongoing interested in linux.
this is not either an evolution or a revolution. it is a quick fix the legacy problems of "modern" computers.
but still...
a good idea. for example, the article states that a CISC to RISC translation would still be inefficient, how much so?? would a 1.4ghz athlon be equivilent to a 500mhz PPC or would it be better? could this all a much more usfull form of emulation, as in i cant afford a g5 MAC for macOSX so ill just use my athlon?.
also, with the claim of possible speed improvements accross RISC to RISC translation this may light a bit of a fire under the arses of some of the big players(intel-IBM) to build a new arcitecture with these optimizations in hardware.
this could be used as a tool for competition with transmeta with some good hardware backing it up. a CPU could be made as a base and the translation hardware could be pre-programmed to emulate multiple platforms. people would no longer have to worry about which arcitecture their WinCE apps are compiled for because their chip would run MIPS or ARM at nativelike speeds.
Welcome to the realy world people, your trying to compare apples to monitors. your also trying to compare performance of different chip based on the output of the software and NOT what is actually happening inside.
:) P4@2+Ghz, Athlon4, Hammer, itanium. :)
Photoshop6 on PC vs Mac are two completely different programs. open them up in a hex editor and you be hard pressed to find ANYTHING similar about them. sure they come from the same(or similar) source code, but then they go throught the copiler.
also, dont compare clock speed, clock speed does not matter*, its one small part of what makes a CPU fast. Long ago i played with digital Alpha systems and learned that an Alpha 500mhz kicked the crap out of a 500mhz p2/k62.
The PowerPC is VERY fast at some things, and average or slow at others, one thing i have noticed though is that the x86 arcitecture is more well rounded. It has good(not excelent) integer and floating point performance, and it doesnt really have a weak point as far as performance.
x86 has huge advantages as far as support, chipsets, standards implementation, OS support, availability, etc. i guess you could argue that some of these could be weaknesses like, too many chipsets and standards to be stable or easily supported. apples proprietary hardware has made it much easier for them to support.
in my opinion, this arguement is getting fairly close to useless, in just a few months their will be brand new chips and architectures to argue over about performance
i liked the post about multiple systems, this IS the cheapest way to go, additional PCI slots cost a lot of money and have latency because of the cable length and the fact that you are basically routing multiple PCI slots through a single slot.
:).
:)
use a high end system for your "main" box, with your tbird and vid card and sound. thats one slot & an agp. then strap in 2 100Mbps NICs.
with the serial card, its 4 PCI, 1 AGP.
then put your SCSI devices in a second computer, el-cheap video, no sound, much hard drive space, and two 100Mbps NICs.
guess what.....you dont even need to invest in a hub, just plug 2 crossover cables between the two machines. you have 200Mbits one way, or 400Mbits two ways in full duplex, thats some speed. and just think, if you run linux on the second box, you dont need a KVM switch at all. just telnet in or use an X server for the OS on your main machine or XCBM to the linux box. X-Win32 seems to be a good one for windows. tell you what, KDE looks/work great XCBM'ed accross a 100mbps LAN, then you can run windows and linux apps side-by-side
you can use samba to make network shares and map them to a drive letter in windows. use some hardware or software raid in the linux box for some speed........
i have done a similar setup at my home a few times, it works great. that and you can stick the computer with the SCSI drives somewhere else if they are loud and you dont have to put up with the sound! you can also install a few extra cooling fans for those hot drives without the noise as well.
ok, it was more like 4 cents
there should be laws against full embryo cloning, as in no clones shal be made for the point of them developing into a complete human.
:-)
we should allow the cloning of parts of humans, human tissue, in all essence, anything but a human brain. the technology would improve to the point of being usefull in the medical field.
this way we aren't "playing god" but we still make advancements for our own survival.
here is a question for you. Where would man be without medicines? would we have died out or would we have better immune systems? We need to choose our path for the future, not half-a*s*s* it and live somewhere in the middle. Medical Technology or Nature, take your pick.
btw, i like the technology part
outlawing medical miracles that could lead to better/longer/happier lives. Oh, you gotta blown knee? here , have another, take two! they're cheap and they grow in jars!
.sig
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All you basepair are belong to us,
hurry! set us op the Dyno Nucleic Acid!
a:
yes
b:
the whole point of the lawsuit that allowed AMD (and others)to use x86 stated that there is a fixed price, and that that fixed price is relatively low to allow for fair competition.
an electron has width, fundemental law of physics, anything with any mass has demention, the electrons have virtually no mass, but "virtually" not "literally" there is some thing there, therefore there is width. and thats the whole point tunneling isn't going to happen until we are using a MUCH smaller scale.
1:
the hammer series will run 32bit significantly faster than current 32bit chips.
2:
AMD uses a fairly up-to-date implementation of the x86 codeset, especially compared to the aging p3 line
3.Lots of people use linux
4.didn't you know? MS is also developing hammer native versions of XP.
5. no, i didn't buy a PPro to run 3.11, oh wait, i didnt even buy a PPro at all, i liked my AMD DX5 120Mhz thank you very much!
6. Leave Cmndr Taco alone, he is a hero damn it!
7. intel didnt inovate for 9 years(p6), and now their inovation commes when there are 2billion x86 PCs on the planet and no one wants to buy new software.
8.did i mention that LOTS of people use linux / BSD, and that linux is the fasted growing OS? i use linux, in fact unless im wrong on this, slashdots servers are on a *nix like OS?(netBSD?)
9.glitzy 64bit extentions are bad? i think its a VERY inovative way to maintain compatability AND still increase performance.
10.Hammer will run win95, win98, win2000, winXP, winnt.etc win 32bit mode with a significate spead boost.
ahh, the first to see the light :-)
i think the point was that tunnelling currents are now something that is being considered as the next hurdle instead of someday we will make chip that are 200nanometers accross(like 486 days) now we are just below the size and we have the same norrow look ahead BUT at lease the old sci-fi is comming true :-) btw, where is my flying car?
btw, dresden is @ %50 capacity, AMD can cover about 35% market share at funn capacity, just thought you should know
Apples mistake was not going to a radically new architecture, it was going specifically to the powerPC. this was not a mistake at the time of coarse, but if they could have seen the future more clearly. i think:
:-)
:-)
apple should have stayed SCSI
(ok this is expensive but it was just plan cool)
apple should have gone ALPHA risc
(cause alphas could scale WELL beyond the PowerPC, and they were much faster per clock)
apple should have done something intuitive when asked to put a second mouse button on.
apple should have gone next or beos when they thought of it, BeOS kicks !!
and apple should have never lost the education market.
I like AMD as well, the p3 was a great chip, but it was built with intel being cocky, not thinking AMD would compete so well. the p4 is a dissapointment, crippled from the beginning. I think intel knows what they are doing so they will compete very strongly for a long while, but now AMD is top dog, and unlike intel, they had to bust some A*s*s* to get where they are fighting an uphill battle against a monopoly. Intel has the muscles and the marketing power, but AMD has the heart and the fanbase. it will be fun to watch, and to see the processor speed soar from competition :)
"this is all imho, not woo be taken seriously"