The argument isn't exactly all that valid mainly because of the longevity of the Unix platform. Think about it: it's been around for more than thirty years. Systems are being developed that are _based_ on that arcane knowledge. Is there room for improvement? Yes. Is there any way to please everyone? No. There are choices, alternatives available. If you don't like something, don't use it, or do something about it. The 'creative critisisms' that get bounced on the net are generally just moaning of end users or people who don't want to spend the five minutes to look at the documentation. I'm quite sorry if I seem callous. It is also a social skill you learn in about third or fourth grade to make do with the society you live in. I haven't forgotten that either. But, I digress.
The point of the matter is: do something. Anything. Don't expect someone else to do it for you. That's what is considered as lazy where I'm from. As for your arguments about the DIY sense... remember, Steve Wozniac built his computer because he didn't like what was out there.
Not to sound like a troll but if you don't like *n[iu]x, then stop using it. If you don't like the names, make a link or something. If you don't like a distrobution, make one, or hell go work for a company that makes a distro... be a consultant... just don't whine about it and expect things to change. It's sort of like the weather. It's going to do things you don't like, period. It can't be all things for all people. A good menuing system is just that, a good menuing system. I learned what the programs are... I'm not exactly a genius. You don't want the history lesson, fine. But guess what; it's where we came from, you can't change that. You can only change the future(but not by sitting on your duff complaining).
Cheers.
Unfortunatly, congress will disband NASA long before it ever moves itself into the private sector. Asside from that, they'd never do the IMAX thing because whomsoever was producing it would be too afraid of Space Pirates! Oh no! The whole world will have access to this information which belongs to all the people of Earth! What shall we do? We won't make nearly enough! Well, now that I say it like that... it makes sense. Blech.;)
Maybe they still haven't really figured out if it were met/imp problems or if it were really the Martian Missle Defense System.;)
I'd like to see some manned missions. Perhaps it will become more likely once the International Space Station is finished. That way, they could launch missions from space rather than spending millions of (insert national currency here) on fuel alone.
I don't think it is so much that we would rob the maimed person. I think it is more likely that we would just keep walking, trying hard not to notice the utter pain the other was experiencing.
We don't have any FW drives:( I do know that we can hook them up machine to machine to do it, but that's sort of out of the question. I have looked at mike's site... He's a good guy and has helped me in the past. As a matter of fact, he is the guy that got me hip to using DC and ASR! Before, the lab manager who had been there had been just copying the contents of the harddisk to a folder... that doesn't really work very well. Settings for programs, icons, etc. don't translate.
Thanks for the links... I'll be checking those out in the AM tomorrow. There isn't a way to just copy the program off the pc and reboot is there? That is the whole problem we have with FoolProof...asside from having to be so damn restrictive on users.
I really did try using the documentation but it wasn't of any use to me at all. I couldn't find out how to create a new image to use with it, nor how to specify what image to use, nor how to control it. It really was a pain. The OS X Server version I have is really really old. I still don't know why they even shipped it. I've had to reinstall it several times because it would just lock up... not doing anything with it... it'd just lock up. As far as MM goes, I really couldn't find any useful docs on it. It seems the more I read Apple documentation, the more it seems that Apple documentaion is another form of marketing. At every turn it seems that instead of describing the steps to get something done, they are telling you all the great things that the software can do. I've spent countless hours and bottles of carbonated caffine trying to get some useable stuff out of those docs(and their Carbon docs... trying to write for OS 9 and X is not nearly as easy as they make it sound). I'm just at my wit's end.
Actually, the reason we still aren't running OS X(for which I already have a good secure setup) is that we don't have any way to make an image for it. I've tried using DiskCopy and ASR, but DC crashes... it's too big. I'm installing well over 6GB of programs etc...
We are trying to get a copy of OS X 10.2 Server. We have a copy of OS X Server 1.2 but it doesn't seem to like me messing with it much, and as per usual, I can't find any documentation for that software... anywhere. There is no telling if we will actually get the funding at this point, hince the story submission.
I'd like for students to not feel inhibited in their activities... but then again, I put a whole lot of work into getting the machines into the state they are in. I tend to not like having to re-image them every morning.
Well, I've had just dandy luck on several sites using the gtk widgets(scrollable selects and buttons). I'm talking about the program and the internals. And no, it's not beyond the scope of the program to do so. Take a quick look at your scrollbar. Does it looked themed? Do the menues theme correctly? No. That is what I'm talking about.
Hear hear! I refuse to use Nvidia based on that fact. I have an ATI Radeon 7200. It may not be as fast, nor may it be quite as good, but at least I'm not putting proprietary software on my machine when there is an alternative.
I'm glad someone is looking into the matter. I can't wait till I have my 'complete' theme. That way, all of my gtk based apps and moz will look alike...
I tend to like running 'stable' software. I'm not about to go delving into CVS, no matter how stable it actually is. There is a good reason it's there and not on the list of downloads. I don't use Gentoo, so that's right out. Perhaps in another few months it'll be where I want to be.
Well, I've installed 1.2.6-1 and it doesn't use the widgets from gtk and it doesn't have the sidebar(that I can see). I like my sidebar, and the whole reason I wanted to try galeon was for gtk integration. If you know how to make that work, I'll keep it, otherwise, Mozilla launches just fine on my box.:) Thanks
I'm not sure if that was meant to be a troll, but I'm replying anyway. It's been a few months since I have tried the latest galeon, but it didn't have the same control over cookies, images, passwords etc that mozilla has.
is for my gtk theme to take over the Mozilla theme. Widgets and whatnot, not just color. I don't mind having buttons and layout set by moz, but I'd like an integrated feel, like it's part of the system... esp since it's the app I use most. I won't use galeon, mainly because it doesn't have some of the bells and whistles that mozilla does(that I do use).
We have been told the same thing. "I can't tell you. However, if you would like to speak to the Dean and the Legal Department, I would be glad to give you their number."
Basically, a great big finger to the man... even if we work for him;)
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The point of the matter is: do something. Anything. Don't expect someone else to do it for you. That's what is considered as lazy where I'm from. As for your arguments about the DIY sense... remember, Steve Wozniac built his computer because he didn't like what was out there.
Not to sound like a troll but if you don't like *n[iu]x, then stop using it. If you don't like the names, make a link or something. If you don't like a distrobution, make one, or hell go work for a company that makes a distro... be a consultant... just don't whine about it and expect things to change. It's sort of like the weather. It's going to do things you don't like, period. It can't be all things for all people. A good menuing system is just that, a good menuing system. I learned what the programs are... I'm not exactly a genius. You don't want the history lesson, fine. But guess what; it's where we came from, you can't change that. You can only change the future(but not by sitting on your duff complaining).
Cheers.
Unfortunatly, congress will disband NASA long before it ever moves itself into the private sector. Asside from that, they'd never do the IMAX thing because whomsoever was producing it would be too afraid of Space Pirates! Oh no! The whole world will have access to this information which belongs to all the people of Earth! What shall we do? We won't make nearly enough! Well, now that I say it like that... it makes sense. Blech. ;)
I'd like to see some manned missions. Perhaps it will become more likely once the International Space Station is finished. That way, they could launch missions from space rather than spending millions of (insert national currency here) on fuel alone.
I don't think it is so much that we would rob the maimed person. I think it is more likely that we would just keep walking, trying hard not to notice the utter pain the other was experiencing.
We don't have any FW drives :( I do know that we can hook them up machine to machine to do it, but that's sort of out of the question. I have looked at mike's site... He's a good guy and has helped me in the past. As a matter of fact, he is the guy that got me hip to using DC and ASR! Before, the lab manager who had been there had been just copying the contents of the harddisk to a folder... that doesn't really work very well. Settings for programs, icons, etc. don't translate.
Thanks for the links... I'll be checking those out in the AM tomorrow. There isn't a way to just copy the program off the pc and reboot is there? That is the whole problem we have with FoolProof...asside from having to be so damn restrictive on users.
I really did try using the documentation but it wasn't of any use to me at all. I couldn't find out how to create a new image to use with it, nor how to specify what image to use, nor how to control it. It really was a pain. The OS X Server version I have is really really old. I still don't know why they even shipped it. I've had to reinstall it several times because it would just lock up... not doing anything with it... it'd just lock up. As far as MM goes, I really couldn't find any useful docs on it. It seems the more I read Apple documentation, the more it seems that Apple documentaion is another form of marketing. At every turn it seems that instead of describing the steps to get something done, they are telling you all the great things that the software can do. I've spent countless hours and bottles of carbonated caffine trying to get some useable stuff out of those docs(and their Carbon docs... trying to write for OS 9 and X is not nearly as easy as they make it sound). I'm just at my wit's end.
I think that it would be best to either try assimilator as others have suggested... that is if the OS X request doesn't go through.
Actually, the reason we still aren't running OS X(for which I already have a good secure setup) is that we don't have any way to make an image for it. I've tried using DiskCopy and ASR, but DC crashes... it's too big. I'm installing well over 6GB of programs etc...
We are trying to get a copy of OS X 10.2 Server. We have a copy of OS X Server 1.2 but it doesn't seem to like me messing with it much, and as per usual, I can't find any documentation for that software... anywhere. There is no telling if we will actually get the funding at this point, hince the story submission.
I'd like for students to not feel inhibited in their activities... but then again, I put a whole lot of work into getting the machines into the state they are in. I tend to not like having to re-image them every morning.
Nah, it's not quite important enough for me to build it. I'll just wait...and bide my time
::rubs hands together eviliy::
Hey look! They're serving Hot Grits over by the topless statue of Natile Porman! Go troll, be gone from this place!
Well, I've had just dandy luck on several sites using the gtk widgets(scrollable selects and buttons). I'm talking about the program and the internals. And no, it's not beyond the scope of the program to do so. Take a quick look at your scrollbar. Does it looked themed? Do the menues theme correctly? No. That is what I'm talking about.
Hey, if you could read, you would know what the rest of that sentence said.
Hear hear! I refuse to use Nvidia based on that fact. I have an ATI Radeon 7200. It may not be as fast, nor may it be quite as good, but at least I'm not putting proprietary software on my machine when there is an alternative.
I'm glad someone is looking into the matter. I can't wait till I have my 'complete' theme. That way, all of my gtk based apps and moz will look alike...
I tend to like running 'stable' software. I'm not about to go delving into CVS, no matter how stable it actually is. There is a good reason it's there and not on the list of downloads. I don't use Gentoo, so that's right out. Perhaps in another few months it'll be where I want to be.
Well, I've installed 1.2.6-1 and it doesn't use the widgets from gtk and it doesn't have the sidebar(that I can see). I like my sidebar, and the whole reason I wanted to try galeon was for gtk integration. If you know how to make that work, I'll keep it, otherwise, Mozilla launches just fine on my box. :) Thanks
Cool. I'll give it another try. Can I import my bookmarks from the moz?
I'm not sure if that was meant to be a troll, but I'm replying anyway. It's been a few months since I have tried the latest galeon, but it didn't have the same control over cookies, images, passwords etc that mozilla has.
is for my gtk theme to take over the Mozilla theme. Widgets and whatnot, not just color. I don't mind having buttons and layout set by moz, but I'd like an integrated feel, like it's part of the system... esp since it's the app I use most. I won't use galeon, mainly because it doesn't have some of the bells and whistles that mozilla does(that I do use).
Three alphanumerics: DB2
It doesn't get much clearer on why they would put down any other product than their own.
Basically, a great big finger to the man... even if we work for him ;)