Which is why we need to make a public decision to tax petroleum to make this dirty, environmentally damaging, unhealthy way of generating power reflect its true costs (which are more that $$$). This pushes solar, wind and the scheme described above into a more reasonable realm. Overall the cost for engergy is higher, which is fine, we should also start looking at conservation and a net REDUCTION in consumption in North America.
I can't even believe you are comparing the US to Nazi Germany.
Nazis were self-absorbed and jingoistic. America? Check.
Nazis had massive popular support for their Imperialist Expansion. America? Check.
Nazis disourse and disposition was introverted in nature. America? Check.
Nazis built an in-ordinate level of arms. America? Check.
Nazis could wield the favour of the public to pitch and roll at their will. America? Check.
Nazis locked out all political debate into and enshrined a single party. America? Check.
The point is the American Plutocracy hasnt yet wielded that power overtly (although it does it all the time (think of the venom you un-naturally feel towards: China, Cuba and Russia (godless communists all)). McCarthy served his masters well - the paranoia required to mind-fuck an entire nation to that level has not left in a scant 50 years, your just too close to the fire to see it. These are the reasons you always hear non-Americans grumbling anti-us rants (like I do here) - because Americans have lost the ability to set their own course, think critically and organize their government - the rest of us see it, why cant you?
Your reply only galvanizes my point, you are fixated and one-dimensional. Who was taling about economics? Who the hell is talking about being a 'competitor'? Economics is the last thing of importance in the world, life, love, health, happiness, peace, nature - then (maybe) money(economics).
In the USofA it is exactly the opposite.
Im talking about people *not* economics - Americans arent willing to participate in a commnity, only a market. This is self-evident and non-debatable... which is why most other countries are weary of American Imperialism. Slash and burn economics does not a friend make.
USA can do whatever it pleases to others, but nobody else can do the same to USA, eh?
Exactly - I live in Windsor, ON, Canada. You have no idea how deeply the ignorance and myopia in America goes. They really reject the idea that they are equal partners in world politics - they *REALLY* believe that "Were the USA, Were #1, Try and Stop US! Were #1, Were #1, Were #1". Quite frankly, of all the problems in the world, the unbelievable bullshit Americans consumer with regard to there own country is astounding. You should watch the 18:00 news from Detroit, and hear the interviews they do with people on the street - its fucking scary.
Im wondering how long it will be before the USA pulls some kind of Nazi thing on the world... I mean that very literally. I dont think it would take much to convince the US population to invade Canada, Mexico or anywhere else for that matter if the media and government sold us as "The Un-American Enemy bent on subverting their supreme Way of Life. For Gods sakes, their Communists!"
(Or you may pick off the bill for big penalties tomorrow.) Software piracy is illegal. And the BSA is cracking down."
This is something I really dont understand. If the BSA has a reasonable suspicion that i am using unlicensed software, they can petition the local authorities or whomever to actually raid my facility and do an audit themselves. Where is it, and under what fucking authority that they repute to have that the BSA will do an audit? If the "BSA" ever sent this thing to me Id send them a letter telling them to go piss up a tree - when I see some authorized, sanctioned agency I might give it the time of day - not some corporate shill group which purports to have some kind of legitimate authority.
Who the hell do these people think they are?
Note: When I sent this letter saying to 'f-off', I would also include some ambiguous language, nothing to implicate myself, just make it clear that I am not denying having any unlicensed apps running - and invite them to come look. Let them waste some time and legal fees only to find all my GNU/Linux.
target of a BSA investigation. This is not a traffic ticket.
Your right - traffic tickets are documents created by my sanctioned authority, in my democratic community - and the BSA means nothing to me and can go to fucking hell.
Official Notice to the BSA from SubtleNuance:
Under the authority I have granted myself, I am hereby notifying your group, that you should remove all non-European-styled receptacle covers from your facility. The older and unapproved 'standard' receptacles and covers will be removed from your facility within 47.1231 hours, or I will be forced to begin an investigation. If found with unapproved receptacles in service after my official grace period I have given myself the mandate to nipple-twist and belly-slap your legal dept., every Wednesday afternoon until you are in compliance.
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You don't have a girlfriend, do you?
If he does i bet shes not shallow, vapid and stupid, all characteristics of people with consumer-centered (read:fucking pathetic and offensive) priorities... the ones who are destorying the environment based on branding and appearance and not utility. The people who seriously factor the appearance of a computer into their buying choices... It's like buying a furnace or water-heater for its looks.
Im sorry, I flatly disagree. The expanding ability to carve normal language into a trademark is dangerous. Today with lifestyle branding and culture-based marketing, 'synergy' and 'co-branding' sees no bounds. We are not far from a day where Virgin (for instance) will have a cross-branded-everything. Virgin Soda. Virgin Airlines. Virgin Records. Virgin Airline. How long until someone cannot use "virgin" in normal modes of communique? Will someone get a S&D from Virgin Co. if they say "I am a Virgin?"? "I love virgins" "Come try my cocktail, it is a Virgin." The *use* of corporate trademarks (and corporate names) is already hotly contested (think about the fordreallysucks.com suit) - they (corporations) *ARE* trying to wrestle the right to dictate the use, in all manner and context, the 'right' or 'ability' to use their "Intellectual Property" (trademarks) - what this is saying is that we are, literally, putting up corporate fences around natural parts of language. The *WORD* Illustrator has a meaning, a history, a culture, a mindshare to people - what Adobe has done is *stolen* all that intangible (but very real) life from this simple word and called it there own - they are infringing the Trademark of History!
When a company can Tack on the word "Easy" (like Virigin does) and claim all owndership to its use, as is happening now, you can see where we are clearly headed. It is just unwise, ignorant and plain stupid. We (citizens) must regain control of legisilation and decide what is right for *us* - this 'law' does not protect any *person* from harm, it is being used as a tool to maximize some capitalists pocket book.
What about nouns (as in names?) Is the Name Elizabeth Hurley (http://www.newsbytes.com/news/01/160294.html) a Trademark? Im sure there are Elizabeth Hurley's all around the world - are they not permitted to use their names in public - for infringing on (the actress') 'trademark'? What about McDonald's Family Restaurant (owned by a man named Ronald McDonald) in the states - he has been in a lawsuit with McDonalds (hamburger franchise) for 40 years...
My point is simply this: What benefit are citizens getting by enforcing these laws? Why do we do it? We endure all this mental repression (literally) in order to 'maintain clarity of a manufacurer in the marketplace'. So im not *confused* when I buy a bar of soap that this is really "Dove(TM)" brand soap, and not some imposter... im sure we can arrange a better system than this to facitlitate clarity... or forgo the clarity at all.
I can read, I can therefore read product labels, lets destroy trademarks and replace it with a registration system. If you want to sell a product, and want it to be gauranteed to be uniquely identified, call 1-800-product-number and get your serialized identifier. Now, lets police the marketplace for anyone who will repeat this number unlawfully. Meaning no-one can reapeat "Coca-Cola 123098" but anyone can sell "Coka-Cola 564738" or "Coka-Cola 324156".
Cross-branding is mindless maniplutation, and illusion, the manufacturer of soap has no inate ability to make paper clips just because they are Virgin PaperClips and Virgin Soap - at least not anything *REALLY* relevant to what service soap is intended to provide - so why ask them to *lie* to the public otherwise... these things only support mindless consuption (people making purchasing based on brand and not utility and knowledge).
Popular-Opinion will say otherwise, people will say "i like unique protected brands, it helps me identify the Dove(TM) soap I like.', this mass of people, also have no idea they are being manipulated into buying an idea that they were sold on television - Im sorry, I cannot support that.
Supporting trademark law, to the utility 'branding' provides in the marketplace, is sad. We dont need it at all. Saying otherwise is like enjoying watching people kick puppies, which is what marketers do with their "trademark" to swindle a population which is in a consumption-induced coma.
I would like to see their hammers taken away from them.
Don't mess with companies who have more money and more lawyers than you. You can complain all you want about how incredibly unfair it is, and deeply wrong, and boycott and send nasty letters all you want to, but at the end of the day, they'll win.
Yes boys and girls - bend over and take your corporate ass-fucking and like it.
I personally vote for Revolution. The way things are going, abandoning Democracy to the capitalists and the free market will eventually lead us there anyway... oppression is oppression is oppression wheather it be church, state or corporation. I havnt got the stomach to watch the sheeple around me lie down and take it anymore, they dont even realize what statments, like the one above, really say about American "Democracy".
Which is fucking ridiculous. Illustrator is a common name directly and specifically relating to the task at hand. Can I trademark the name "Typist" for a keyboard? What about "Runner" for a shoe - or "walk" for that matter.
Expanding IP law is has become unbearable. Why did we all agree to this?
this should make an interesting trial case for all the discount PCs that require 1-2 year contracts with AOL or some other ISP (and end up costing as-much-as twice what the PC alone would have gone for.
It worked for the cell-phone industry. Service buys the subsidized hardware.. i think it failed for the IOpener because the market was already much more mature - this scheme works for emergent techs (with more uncertainty on the part of the buyer that the whole company could fold and leave them with a pricy pc of hardware but no infrastructure).
On anther note: I hope they dont completely disapear, it would be nice for them to start selling them as diskless workstations or XTerms or some-such... just keep them cheap... and add a touchscreen option. Im going to need a computer for the bedside nightable soon..
Ive read the new MS liscense. What is it trying to say? Is it saying that I cannot link against their libs in my own GPLed software? or I cannot use their IDE (WTF is a toolkit?) to write GPL? If it is libs, this dosnt make alot of sense, I cannot write a GPL application that uses non GPL-compatible libs, this would make my app non-GPL by definition ((would it not?) i wouldnt be able to distribute all the source necessary to make my application compile for someone else..) This sorta reverse-legaleeze has got me a little gray here.. someone care to clarify.. I cannot understand why this is relevant, someone writing a GPL app against my non-free libs *will not* change the license on my libs at all - thats fucking back-ass-words. That would be like me selling *your* car to my brother - something I have no legal authority or title to do.
Or: Is M$ writing this license intended to mis-represent (FUD up) the capabilities of the GPL. Is the intended FUD response from the PHBs supposed to be: 'if people use the GPL around your non-GPL libs/apps/OS *they* can force you to GPL something - so ban GPL from interoperation/presence/habitation-in-your-data-ce nter to prevent someone from unleashing this 'viral license' to steal your IP *cough*IPisalie*cough* from you
Im really missing the big picture here I think... someone shed a little light please.*
*this is a rare event... I usually have the right answer to everything around here:)
you forget - some GPL advocates (me) are also hear for the liberation. To be equal and important PEERS in overall software development. To not have our decisions tied by idiot marketing and advertising and market forces and strategies and-and-and all manner of *IRRELEVANT* issues with regards to OSs and Software in general.
The development method of GNU Linux shows that distributed cost (volunteer) coders can make very good systems.. why give up your Freedom (in the FSF sense) for (debatably) marginally-better software - why not commit to working with the community, for the betterment and enrichment of all, and try and build a *better* system that is open and inviting to people and entities but not horders and hijackers.
its a very fundemental choice - Im sure alot of GPL advocates, users and coders are thinking much this way...
...except that M$ owns a nice chunck of Apple shares (non voting is irrelevant for reasons I wont repeat). M$ and Apple have a virtual non-competition agreement, Apple stays out of MSs turf (off x86), and M$ continues their Exploder and Office Suite. There. I scratch your back - you scratch mine. M$ will port.NET to FreeBSD because it is nice to FreeBSD derived OSX and it aids them in supporting a non-GPL gratis OS in hopes that we free-beer seekers abandon our Software Libre Ideals. They will embrace and extend FreeBSD...
M$ proping up the sick corpse that is Apple is really an effort to keep the DoJ off their backs - nothing more. Why they arent for eating up parts up Corel is beyond me... they own a portion of all their major competitiors (but oracle).
When you're in business to make money (and who isn't?)
Im not. I work to live - not live to work. Making money is *not* my biggest goal in life... you know, I kinda also like to hike and read and make-love-to-my-wife and garden and drink-cold-beer and lotsa other stuff that isnt very profitable at all. included in that is aid my community to the best of my ability... this is why I support the GPL. Why do people insist on making all arguments based on economics - there are *alot* of other worthwhile and valuable efforts other than the pursuit of profit. Pursuit of profit is not self-justifying.
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Censorship is either good or bad. Pick one.
This isnt censorship. Communication has to be consensual. What spammers do is yell in peoples faces, and dont stop no matter how much you ask, actually asking only ends up with your being faced with additional spammers, who themselves begin yelling. ORBS is a method to take their voices away - by those who choose to use a service which employs ORBS.
Is this the optimal solution? No, putting the 'right' of free speech back into the hands of *PEOPLE* and not in the hands of capitalist firms is the best way. Corporations are allowed to spam because they are the same as 'natural people' in America. This is wrong.
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I wonder if he'll get added to spam lists now, like I do every time I post a story critical of anti-spam activists. Yeah, subscribe me and Rob to more mailing lists under the handle "Spamlover." That's real mature.
One thing that quick wit will guarantee: you will now be subscribed to 100 times the lists you were previously... there are some trolls who wouldnt have thought of it... and all the rest now know it bothers you.... real smart jamie.
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You cannot 'steal' an idea.. it is freely repeatable. Stealing requires a physical *thing*. Intellectual property law is an un-natural and revocable construct. It is not self-evident and inevitable.
I also like the fact that I can get whatever medical service I want, exactly when I want it, with no waiting for a government waiting list. I want to see a doctor today, I go. And all I have to do is pay for it. What a simple, wonderful system.
Two points:
"you" might like the "fact you can get whatever medial service *you* want" but not everyone can afford that financially. Your community is made of a variety of people. All of them equally valuable. The idea that they should be arranged parallel to their financial worth is a distinctly American ideal. One that is born of the Natioanl-Jingoism that tells you about the supremacy of self and the individual (really devices to lull you into becoming a mindless, want-based consumer of As Much As Possible - this is the false American Dream).
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ha!
Not only is the service *BETTER* (no HMOs making $boardroom$ decisions with my life) but we do not "steal" anything. Might negotiate blanket prices from Big Pharm suppliers - but we dont break the law in doing so (although, frankly I dont believe their should be health-related IP of any kind, its inhuman).
Your either a troll or simply grossly ignorant.... the former automagically makes you the latter.
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If the pollution is really a problem, set and mandate the standard - and apply it across the board
Agreed. But there is *NO WILL* in the American Plutocracy to rock the boat - where is the economic incentive to 'do the right thing'??? this is *exactly* the point. No one will make the right legislative choices, across the board, simply shifting the playing field in the wise way (a chosen direction vs. free market direction). This is "un-American" thinking - it will not happen. The oil/auto companies will take 200 years to transition their piles of investment and profit making ventures (dont rock a profitable boat) and in the meantime we continue to live under a regime of *bad choices* and *unhealthy living*.
Democracies that are impotent to setting their own course, and setting the base-line and environment in which their businesses operate are useless. As is proving true in the USA. Free-Market self-directed, self-regulating, 'corporation-as-citizen' capitalism is a death sentence.
Taxes, which only create larger governments, which by definition are inefficient wasters of resources, also result in their own pollution of a sort.
That is untrue. When a firm (private or public) is given task to deliver a service (say health or electricity) the private (capitalist) firm will have to pay for bribes (aka lobbying), advertising, sales people (with their fat lifestyles (wine-ing and dine-ing people), marketing - and these costs occur ACROSS the INDUSTRY over and over and over and over. In the public held company these things are unnecessary, and the entire country has a consolidated administration expense. These basic differences are REAL and significant. Such that Canadians pay $2400 per person covered to deliver *PUBLICLY OWNED* health care services to 100% of the population - in America you pay $4400 per person covered to deliver *PRIVATE FOR PROFIT* health care services to 87% of the population. This scenario is true for every industry where a community agrees said service is essential. If everyone is paying for it, why make it a profit-seeking business? 100% of the population dosnt need to make a profit for 0.00001% of the Bourgeois.
Americans are still suffering from McCarthyism. Anti-Communist confusion has polluted your communities to the point where you trust your futures to capitalists, versus agreeing, using democratic mechanics, on what is important, reaching a consensus and delivering this basic need. Im not saying everything should be coded and controlled by a central force, but 50% of the economy are basic everyday needs and these should not be put into the hands of a few who by definition intend to exploit.
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So governments offer better service at a lower total cost than companies? What planet does this happen on
The planet of Canada. Where we pay $2400 per person covered to deliver health care to 100% of our citizens, in the USA you pay $4400 per person covered to deliver health care to 87% of your citizens.
Where do you think this money goes? To the pockets of the Plutocrats who are wrongly involved in delivering a service in a climate where everyone wants it, everyone needs it and we all agree it is vital.... except those who want to make money on suffering. Your dollars spent, as illustrated above, in the US, helps support advertising, accouting, salespeople, payoffs (businesstrips-give-a-ways), repeated administration staffs - at every 'firm' that delivers health care - all this duplication costs MONEY! it is not made up in superficial capitalist 'competition' or 'efficiency' - it is *waste* in the world of delivering health services.
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consume more fuel and subsequently cost more.
where is the method to collect money from the SUVs internal-combustion-engine for the *POLLUTION* it causes.
The problem with free-market economics vs. Environment is that the capitalists are *NOT* paying for the destruction, there should be a mechanism where the economic system takes these into account. Until there is - your argument is moot, becaues you adovate the needless, selfless destruction of something that you do not own, and argue that the economics are the only relevant issue. Frankly, the economics are broken and unhealthy. This is another point where capitalism fails as a way to organize our affairs.
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Which is why we need to make a public decision to tax petroleum to make this dirty, environmentally damaging, unhealthy way of generating power reflect its true costs (which are more that $$$).
This pushes solar, wind and the scheme described above into a more reasonable realm. Overall the cost for engergy is higher, which is fine, we should also start looking at conservation and a net REDUCTION in consumption in North America.
Nazis were self-absorbed and jingoistic. America? Check.
Nazis had massive popular support for their Imperialist Expansion. America? Check.
Nazis disourse and disposition was introverted in nature. America? Check.
Nazis built an in-ordinate level of arms. America? Check.
Nazis could wield the favour of the public to pitch and roll at their will. America? Check.
Nazis locked out all political debate into and enshrined a single party. America? Check.
The point is the American Plutocracy hasnt yet wielded that power overtly (although it does it all the time (think of the venom you un-naturally feel towards: China, Cuba and Russia (godless communists all)). McCarthy served his masters well - the paranoia required to mind-fuck an entire nation to that level has not left in a scant 50 years, your just too close to the fire to see it. These are the reasons you always hear non-Americans grumbling anti-us rants (like I do here) - because Americans have lost the ability to set their own course, think critically and organize their government - the rest of us see it, why cant you?
real competitor to the USA
Your reply only galvanizes my point, you are fixated and one-dimensional. Who was taling about economics? Who the hell is talking about being a 'competitor'? Economics is the last thing of importance in the world, life, love, health, happiness, peace, nature - then (maybe) money(economics).
In the USofA it is exactly the opposite.
Im talking about people *not* economics - Americans arent willing to participate in a commnity, only a market. This is self-evident and non-debatable... which is why most other countries are weary of American Imperialism. Slash and burn economics does not a friend make.
USA can do whatever it pleases to others, but nobody else can do the same to USA, eh?
Exactly - I live in Windsor, ON, Canada. You have no idea how deeply the ignorance and myopia in America goes. They really reject the idea that they are equal partners in world politics - they *REALLY* believe that "Were the USA, Were #1, Try and Stop US! Were #1, Were #1, Were #1". Quite frankly, of all the problems in the world, the unbelievable bullshit Americans consumer with regard to there own country is astounding. You should watch the 18:00 news from Detroit, and hear the interviews they do with people on the street - its fucking scary.
Im wondering how long it will be before the USA pulls some kind of Nazi thing on the world... I mean that very literally. I dont think it would take much to convince the US population to invade Canada, Mexico or anywhere else for that matter if the media and government sold us as "The Un-American Enemy bent on subverting their supreme Way of Life. For Gods sakes, their Communists!"
(Or you may pick off the bill for big penalties tomorrow.) Software piracy is illegal. And the BSA is cracking down."
This is something I really dont understand. If the BSA has a reasonable suspicion that i am using unlicensed software, they can petition the local authorities or whomever to actually raid my facility and do an audit themselves. Where is it, and under what fucking authority that they repute to have that the BSA will do an audit? If the "BSA" ever sent this thing to me Id send them a letter telling them to go piss up a tree - when I see some authorized, sanctioned agency I might give it the time of day - not some corporate shill group which purports to have some kind of legitimate authority.
Who the hell do these people think they are?
Note: When I sent this letter saying to 'f-off', I would also include some ambiguous language, nothing to implicate myself, just make it clear that I am not denying having any unlicensed apps running - and invite them to come look. Let them waste some time and legal fees only to find all my GNU/Linux.
target of a BSA investigation. This is not a traffic ticket.
Your right - traffic tickets are documents created by my sanctioned authority, in my democratic community - and the BSA means nothing to me and can go to fucking hell.
Official Notice to the BSA from SubtleNuance:
Under the authority I have granted myself, I am hereby notifying your group, that you should remove all non-European-styled receptacle covers from your facility. The older and unapproved 'standard' receptacles and covers will be removed from your facility within 47.1231 hours, or I will be forced to begin an investigation. If found with unapproved receptacles in service after my official grace period I have given myself the mandate to nipple-twist and belly-slap your legal dept., every Wednesday afternoon until you are in compliance.
Consider yourself duly notified.
Not-so-humbly yours-in-self-delusion, SubtleNuance.BR>
You don't have a girlfriend, do you?
... It's like buying a furnace or water-heater for its looks.
If he does i bet shes not shallow, vapid and stupid, all characteristics of people with consumer-centered (read:fucking pathetic and offensive) priorities... the ones who are destorying the environment based on branding and appearance and not utility. The people who seriously factor the appearance of a computer into their buying choices
LAN gamers build their own boxes. These people are geeks - they dont have macs.
MACS are a great pile of hardware, dont get me wrong, but they are generally not the domain of the hard-code-gamer.
excellent idea; take some digital pics :)
Im sorry, I flatly disagree. The expanding ability to carve normal language into a trademark is dangerous. Today with lifestyle branding and culture-based marketing, 'synergy' and 'co-branding' sees no bounds. We are not far from a day where Virgin (for instance) will have a cross-branded-everything. Virgin Soda. Virgin Airlines. Virgin Records. Virgin Airline. How long until someone cannot use "virgin" in normal modes of communique? Will someone get a S&D from Virgin Co. if they say "I am a Virgin?"? "I love virgins" "Come try my cocktail, it is a Virgin." The *use* of corporate trademarks (and corporate names) is already hotly contested (think about the fordreallysucks.com suit) - they (corporations) *ARE* trying to wrestle the right to dictate the use, in all manner and context, the 'right' or 'ability' to use their "Intellectual Property" (trademarks) - what this is saying is that we are, literally, putting up corporate fences around natural parts of language. The *WORD* Illustrator has a meaning, a history, a culture, a mindshare to people - what Adobe has done is *stolen* all that intangible (but very real) life from this simple word and called it there own - they are infringing the Trademark of History!
When a company can Tack on the word "Easy" (like Virigin does) and claim all owndership to its use, as is happening now, you can see where we are clearly headed. It is just unwise, ignorant and plain stupid. We (citizens) must regain control of legisilation and decide what is right for *us* - this 'law' does not protect any *person* from harm, it is being used as a tool to maximize some capitalists pocket book.
What about nouns (as in names?) Is the Name Elizabeth Hurley (http://www.newsbytes.com/news/01/160294.html) a Trademark? Im sure there are Elizabeth Hurley's all around the world - are they not permitted to use their names in public - for infringing on (the actress') 'trademark'? What about McDonald's Family Restaurant (owned by a man named Ronald McDonald) in the states - he has been in a lawsuit with McDonalds (hamburger franchise) for 40 years...
My point is simply this: What benefit are citizens getting by enforcing these laws? Why do we do it? We endure all this mental repression (literally) in order to 'maintain clarity of a manufacurer in the marketplace'. So im not *confused* when I buy a bar of soap that this is really "Dove(TM)" brand soap, and not some imposter... im sure we can arrange a better system than this to facitlitate clarity... or forgo the clarity at all.
I can read, I can therefore read product labels, lets destroy trademarks and replace it with a registration system. If you want to sell a product, and want it to be gauranteed to be uniquely identified, call 1-800-product-number and get your serialized identifier. Now, lets police the marketplace for anyone who will repeat this number unlawfully. Meaning no-one can reapeat "Coca-Cola 123098" but anyone can sell "Coka-Cola 564738" or "Coka-Cola 324156".
Cross-branding is mindless maniplutation, and illusion, the manufacturer of soap has no inate ability to make paper clips just because they are Virgin PaperClips and Virgin Soap - at least not anything *REALLY* relevant to what service soap is intended to provide - so why ask them to *lie* to the public otherwise... these things only support mindless consuption (people making purchasing based on brand and not utility and knowledge).
Popular-Opinion will say otherwise, people will say "i like unique protected brands, it helps me identify the Dove(TM) soap I like.', this mass of people, also have no idea they are being manipulated into buying an idea that they were sold on television - Im sorry, I cannot support that.
Supporting trademark law, to the utility 'branding' provides in the marketplace, is sad. We dont need it at all. Saying otherwise is like enjoying watching people kick puppies, which is what marketers do with their "trademark" to swindle a population which is in a consumption-induced coma.
I would like to see their hammers taken away from them.
Change the name of KIllustrator
Yes, change the name to "AdobeSucks"
Don't mess with companies who have more money and more lawyers than you. You can complain all you want about how incredibly unfair it is, and deeply wrong, and boycott and send nasty letters all you want to, but at the end of the day, they'll win.
Yes boys and girls - bend over and take your corporate ass-fucking and like it.
I personally vote for Revolution. The way things are going, abandoning Democracy to the capitalists and the free market will eventually lead us there anyway... oppression is oppression is oppression wheather it be church, state or corporation. I havnt got the stomach to watch the sheeple around me lie down and take it anymore, they dont even realize what statments, like the one above, really say about American "Democracy".
Adobe owns the Illustrator name
Which is fucking ridiculous. Illustrator is a common name directly and specifically relating to the task at hand. Can I trademark the name "Typist" for a keyboard? What about "Runner" for a shoe - or "walk" for that matter.
Expanding IP law is has become unbearable. Why did we all agree to this?
this should make an interesting trial case for all the discount PCs that require 1-2 year contracts with AOL or some other ISP (and end up costing as-much-as twice what the PC alone would have gone for.
It worked for the cell-phone industry. Service buys the subsidized hardware.. i think it failed for the IOpener because the market was already much more mature - this scheme works for emergent techs (with more uncertainty on the part of the buyer that the whole company could fold and leave them with a pricy pc of hardware but no infrastructure).
On anther note: I hope they dont completely disapear, it would be nice for them to start selling them as diskless workstations or XTerms or some-such... just keep them cheap... and add a touchscreen option. Im going to need a computer for the bedside nightable soon..
One of the Baby Bells will snatch it up at cut rate prices...
Ive read the new MS liscense. What is it trying to say? Is it saying that I cannot link against their libs in my own GPLed software? or I cannot use their IDE (WTF is a toolkit?) to write GPL? If it is libs, this dosnt make alot of sense, I cannot write a GPL application that uses non GPL-compatible libs, this would make my app non-GPL by definition ((would it not?) i wouldnt be able to distribute all the source necessary to make my application compile for someone else..) This sorta reverse-legaleeze has got me a little gray here.. someone care to clarify.. I cannot understand why this is relevant, someone writing a GPL app against my non-free libs *will not* change the license on my libs at all - thats fucking back-ass-words. That would be like me selling *your* car to my brother - something I have no legal authority or title to do.
e nter to prevent someone from unleashing this 'viral license' to steal your IP *cough*IPisalie*cough* from you
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Or: Is M$ writing this license intended to mis-represent (FUD up) the capabilities of the GPL. Is the intended FUD response from the PHBs supposed to be: 'if people use the GPL around your non-GPL libs/apps/OS *they* can force you to GPL something - so ban GPL from interoperation/presence/habitation-in-your-data-c
Im really missing the big picture here I think... someone shed a little light please.*
*this is a rare event... I usually have the right answer to everything around here
you forget - some GPL advocates (me) are also hear for the liberation. To be equal and important PEERS in overall software development. To not have our decisions tied by idiot marketing and advertising and market forces and strategies and-and-and all manner of *IRRELEVANT* issues with regards to OSs and Software in general.
The development method of GNU Linux shows that distributed cost (volunteer) coders can make very good systems.. why give up your Freedom (in the FSF sense) for (debatably) marginally-better software - why not commit to working with the community, for the betterment and enrichment of all, and try and build a *better* system that is open and inviting to people and entities but not horders and hijackers.
its a very fundemental choice - Im sure alot of GPL advocates, users and coders are thinking much this way...
...except that M$ owns a nice chunck of Apple shares (non voting is irrelevant for reasons I wont repeat). M$ and Apple have a virtual non-competition agreement, Apple stays out of MSs turf (off x86), and M$ continues their Exploder and Office Suite. There. I scratch your back - you scratch mine. M$ will port .NET to FreeBSD because it is nice to FreeBSD derived OSX and it aids them in supporting a non-GPL gratis OS in hopes that we free-beer seekers abandon our Software Libre Ideals. They will embrace and extend FreeBSD...
M$ proping up the sick corpse that is Apple is really an effort to keep the DoJ off their backs - nothing more. Why they arent for eating up parts up Corel is beyond me... they own a portion of all their major competitiors (but oracle).
When you're in business to make money (and who isn't?)
Im not. I work to live - not live to work. Making money is *not* my biggest goal in life... you know, I kinda also like to hike and read and make-love-to-my-wife and garden and drink-cold-beer and lotsa other stuff that isnt very profitable at all. included in that is aid my community to the best of my ability... this is why I support the GPL. Why do people insist on making all arguments based on economics - there are *alot* of other worthwhile and valuable efforts other than the pursuit of profit. Pursuit of profit is not self-justifying.
Censorship is either good or bad. Pick one.
This isnt censorship. Communication has to be consensual. What spammers do is yell in peoples faces, and dont stop no matter how much you ask, actually asking only ends up with your being faced with additional spammers, who themselves begin yelling. ORBS is a method to take their voices away - by those who choose to use a service which employs ORBS.
Is this the optimal solution? No, putting the 'right' of free speech back into the hands of *PEOPLE* and not in the hands of capitalist firms is the best way. Corporations are allowed to spam because they are the same as 'natural people' in America. This is wrong.
I wonder if he'll get added to spam lists now, like I do every time I post a story critical of anti-spam activists. Yeah, subscribe me and Rob to more mailing lists under the handle "Spamlover." That's real mature.
One thing that quick wit will guarantee: you will now be subscribed to 100 times the lists you were previously... there are some trolls who wouldnt have thought of it... and all the rest now know it bothers you.... real smart jamie.
I also like the fact that I can get whatever medical service I want, exactly when I want it, with no waiting for a government waiting list. I want to see a doctor today, I go. And all I have to do is pay for it. What a simple, wonderful system.
Two points:
"you" might like the "fact you can get whatever medial service *you* want" but not everyone can afford that financially. Your community is made of a variety of people. All of them equally valuable. The idea that they should be arranged parallel to their financial worth is a distinctly American ideal. One that is born of the Natioanl-Jingoism that tells you about the supremacy of self and the individual (really devices to lull you into becoming a mindless, want-based consumer of As Much As Possible - this is the false American Dream).
Please read this article. Then see this.
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Not only is the service *BETTER* (no HMOs making $boardroom$ decisions with my life) but we do not "steal" anything. Might negotiate blanket prices from Big Pharm suppliers - but we dont break the law in doing so (although, frankly I dont believe their should be health-related IP of any kind, its inhuman).
Your either a troll or simply grossly ignorant.... the former automagically makes you the latter.
If the pollution is really a problem, set and mandate the standard - and apply it across the board
Agreed. But there is *NO WILL* in the American Plutocracy to rock the boat - where is the economic incentive to 'do the right thing'??? this is *exactly* the point. No one will make the right legislative choices, across the board, simply shifting the playing field in the wise way (a chosen direction vs. free market direction). This is "un-American" thinking - it will not happen. The oil/auto companies will take 200 years to transition their piles of investment and profit making ventures (dont rock a profitable boat) and in the meantime we continue to live under a regime of *bad choices* and *unhealthy living*.
Democracies that are impotent to setting their own course, and setting the base-line and environment in which their businesses operate are useless. As is proving true in the USA. Free-Market self-directed, self-regulating, 'corporation-as-citizen' capitalism is a death sentence.
Taxes, which only create larger governments, which by definition are inefficient wasters of resources, also result in their own pollution of a sort.
That is untrue. When a firm (private or public) is given task to deliver a service (say health or electricity) the private (capitalist) firm will have to pay for bribes (aka lobbying), advertising, sales people (with their fat lifestyles (wine-ing and dine-ing people), marketing - and these costs occur ACROSS the INDUSTRY over and over and over and over. In the public held company these things are unnecessary, and the entire country has a consolidated administration expense. These basic differences are REAL and significant. Such that Canadians pay $2400 per person covered to deliver *PUBLICLY OWNED* health care services to 100% of the population - in America you pay $4400 per person covered to deliver *PRIVATE FOR PROFIT* health care services to 87% of the population. This scenario is true for every industry where a community agrees said service is essential. If everyone is paying for it, why make it a profit-seeking business? 100% of the population dosnt need to make a profit for 0.00001% of the Bourgeois.
Americans are still suffering from McCarthyism. Anti-Communist confusion has polluted your communities to the point where you trust your futures to capitalists, versus agreeing, using democratic mechanics, on what is important, reaching a consensus and delivering this basic need. Im not saying everything should be coded and controlled by a central force, but 50% of the economy are basic everyday needs and these should not be put into the hands of a few who by definition intend to exploit.
So governments offer better service at a lower total cost than companies? What planet does this happen on
The planet of Canada. Where we pay $2400 per person covered to deliver health care to 100% of our citizens, in the USA you pay $4400 per person covered to deliver health care to 87% of your citizens.
Where do you think this money goes? To the pockets of the Plutocrats who are wrongly involved in delivering a service in a climate where everyone wants it, everyone needs it and we all agree it is vital.... except those who want to make money on suffering. Your dollars spent, as illustrated above, in the US, helps support advertising, accouting, salespeople, payoffs (businesstrips-give-a-ways), repeated administration staffs - at every 'firm' that delivers health care - all this duplication costs MONEY! it is not made up in superficial capitalist 'competition' or 'efficiency' - it is *waste* in the world of delivering health services.
consume more fuel and subsequently cost more.
where is the method to collect money from the SUVs internal-combustion-engine for the *POLLUTION* it causes.
The problem with free-market economics vs. Environment is that the capitalists are *NOT* paying for the destruction, there should be a mechanism where the economic system takes these into account. Until there is - your argument is moot, becaues you adovate the needless, selfless destruction of something that you do not own, and argue that the economics are the only relevant issue. Frankly, the economics are broken and unhealthy. This is another point where capitalism fails as a way to organize our affairs.