Don't worry. It doesn't matter, when you have the CEO of a company -- in this case reddit turning around and changing posts because he threw a hissy fit. I'm now waiting for the same to happen with Facebook. Twitter is already burning themselves out, so no need to worry on that front.
If you're going to comment on something, you should at least know the most basic reasons why something is, the way it is. Like why the Electoral College and popular vote has shit to do with anything. Oh never mind, this is the same basic reason why you get so many things wrong and still don't understand why.
Wasn't there election day reports from Pennsylvania of straight Republican votes magically changing to Democratic votes? With cell phone video of it happening?
Most of my friends are die-hard Republicans, but I don't know a single person who (admitted) voting for Trump. I suspect that's because this election wasn't really fought along typical Republican vs Democrat, leftie vs rightie lines.
And that's exactly what it is. You'll find people from both sides of the isle voted for Trump because of what Hillary stood for. The reality is there was more support for Trump because he wasn't establishment, she was. They feel that the current state of government doesn't represent the people. That's why he had the support. The media is at a loss, and still hasn't learned anything from it though.
A lot of people like myself, who are or were heavily invested in politics saw this coming. This has been building for ~20 odd years, and it's very close to reaching the full-on shoot politicians in the streets. The Tea Party stuff was a warning sign, just like AfD, FN, and so on are warning signs. The media refused to listen, the politicians refused to listen. In the end Trump is far less extreme then the next candidate would have been. Just like Le Pen is, just like Frauke Petry is.
I also think there are a lot of people who are in the "I would never vote for Trump" crowd, because they don't want to be associated with some of his more bizarre stances, who secretly voted for Trump when no one was looking.
It's more likely they don't want to be targeted or attacked. You can seem multiple cases of that all over the US. Unlike the people who claimed "Trump supporters" attacked them. Those people who made the claims are being charged with filing false police reports. Off the top of my head, I can think of fake rape,fake assaults, fake vandalism, fake flyers, fake deportation letters, fake claims of harassment and mugging.
Well that's what happens when you live in a bubble. Politicians, media, academia. Shouldn't be a surprise at all, they all have a similar viewpoint they want to push and are suddenly shocked when "the plebs" don't vote the way they tell them to. This is further compounded because they're simply so out of touch with the average person. This is also something you can see with quite a few posters here on/. All the things though, I'm expecting several more "upsets" this year, both with Germany and France.
Is this part of the fake news? Or is it actually real news? Or is it Clinton being a sore loser. The DNC and Clinton doesn't really have a leg to stand on though, especially after fixing their own primary to make sure she was the candidate.
You forgot one of the biggest reasons of large hydro bills in Ontario, and it wasn't the switch away from coal. The debt retirement charge where we, the customer, got to pay off the debt of Ontario Hydro when it went private and was broken up into Hydro One and all the other various utilities. And not only did we get to pay off that debt, we got to do it twice because instead of putting that money towards the debt the first time the provincial government used it for other things.
Bzzt. Ontario hasn't had a debt retirement charge on it's bill in almost half a decade. Removing the coal plants caused a small spike in prices. The green energy programs caused a huge spike because the rate they were paying were between 0.40-0.92kWh into the grid due to FIT programs. Where as nuke, hydro and NG are under 0.07kWh in production costs.
The liberals have been in power in Ontario over over 12 years. Yes, you can put all the blame directly on their shoulders for this. It was their actions to not change and re-regulate(never mind that my electricity bill in my co-op in FL is literally 1/3 of what I pay here), it was their actions to pass the "green energy act" it was their choice not to learn from places like Greece which did the same thing. Their electricity rates went through the roof, and those "green energy jobs" never materialized either. Never mind that electricity generation from NG, Hydro and Nuclear is literally pennies to make these days. Or that at those rates it's sold to the US. That Ontario has such a glut of electricity, that all these "green" feel good policies didn't need to happen in the first place. No this can all be laid directly at the Liberals feet.
You apparently don't realize how much farming is an electricity intensive business. If you've got crops in the ground? Not so much. You have cattle, turkey, chicken, pigs or any other livestock? It's expensive. Now we're talking heat, cleanup, milking, storage of feed grains(including climate control) for them. Then the storage of animal waste, some of which can't be allowed to sit. Then that requires ponds with mixers, and on, and on, and on, and on.
Be f***ed now, or be f***ed later. If you factor in the external cost coal is pretty expensive. But, those cost will have to be paid by someone else.
Considering losing cheap electricity counts for both? It means that tax bases dry up as companies move elsewhere, it means that there's less money for healthcare. It means that the government has to borrow more money to cover the existing programs at the same level. So you tell me what's worse, the fact that you're going to be buried alive in sovereign debt like Ontario is now -- and has the highest debt per-person of any western "state, province, or country" or you engage in short-term feel good politics(like removing those plants) and smile as your industries pack up and leave for places where they can manufacture goods cheaper. Then wonder where you're going to get the money to cover those already in-coming healthcare costs.
I notice you fail to include any costs due to the environmental impact of using coal. Myopia, get it looked at.
Far less then the immediate impact then say the steel industry, or the huge amount of smog that's in Toronto for example. But I'm sure if you lived here, you'd be perfectly fine paying the electricity rates that we are right? Or would you be one of those middle class people who are now one pay cheque shy of being unable to cover anything.
I wonder what you would be saying ~8,000-10,000 years ago, when the arctic and antarctic ice levels were so high that entire new island chains were created.
And with 3 AC's I'll pick your stupid comment--and yes it's stupid--as the one to reply to.
So they trust the Net of Lies instead? ROTFLOL. The MSM may not be perfect, but it isn't anything like the alt-right lie fest the Internet has become.
So you're perfectly fine with the mass-media centralization? The reporters who colluded with political campaigns to get them elected(see Clinton). The numbers of ex-reporters in the current US administration, and their spouses who still work for the networks. Or the "big dogs" at the top who have friends and family who work in both. That if I pick up a national newspaper, I'm going to find that same story near word-for-word in a state paper, and a local paper, and a regional paper? That there aren't inherent problems with everyone writing their news based on only a few news feed organizations. Where there is no disclosure.
I'm sure that you also believe that Pepe the frog is a white nationalist symbol, and the right wing death squads are coming to get you. You haven't learned anything that's happened in the last year. Time to get introspective.
Note, that's also the National Post, the right wing rag of Canada, so if THEY are publishing it, there must be some fire behind that smoke.
National Post hasn't been right-wing for almost 3 years. Just a FYI. They decided to start pushing lefty agendas and people are fleeing in droves from the paper. Just like they've fled Toronto Star and Globe and Mail. NAPO in it's wisdom decided to even double down, and subscriber and page views continue to drop.
I live in Ontario, we've got 2cm on the ground you're welcome to take. Then again, you dig back through the historical records and you'll quickly find that your weather is normal. The snow was not. Just a heads up though, plotting actual nominal weather for BC is pretty hard, being that most of the data is less then 150 years old.
Sure. And it also was one of the contributing factors to drive the price of electricity from $0.07kWh at peak to the current price of $0.18kWh at peak in less than a decade. Though the main culprit behind that is the "green energy" program here, which as paid at rates as high as $0.92kWh for generation.How it's effectively fucked us.How it's putting farmers out of business.How the government knew it was a bad idea from the start. And it's shit like this that causes populist revolts. It is now so bad here in Ontario, that 700k hydro customers are 4 months or more in arrears. And 70k people have had their electricity cut because of non-payment. The largest hydro company in Ontario is Hydro One with 1.3m customers to give you some scope of how these policies are completely fucking things up. And if you American's don't pay attention to this, you're going to see the same thing. If you want to see it in action? Look at Alberta. Yep they use coal. They use coal because the population is so spread out that transmission lines don't exist. Now, they're having to build new transmission lines as well.
Short sighted, shitty policies and all it does is hurt everyone. Top that out with the proposed "carbon taxes" Canada will likely hit a recession within 3mo of them being implemented, and if we don't hit a depression when the cost of goods jumps at a minimum of 20% which is the conservative estimate from some of the most liberal think tanks in the country. I'll be surprised.
They're not dying because of social media. They're dying because people don't trust them and are looking for their news from any source but them. What's the trust rating of the MSM these days? 6-10% something like that. People know the media have lied, carried an agenda, pushed partisan politics. This is all a problem of their own making.
This is likely to get a lot worse since Canada bet on the wrong horse (leftist policies) when our major trading partners are going all in on right wing policies (Brexit, Trump). Hold onto your horses, the new few years are going to be a wild ride.
Hey, just think you can be in Ontario. Which has seen electricity prices go through the roof. And both the provincial and federal governments want to introduce a "carbon tax" which will turn around and with current rough estimates raise the price of goods by around 20% Yeah, that's really going to help people out. Canada is in the same position it was in the late 1970s, and I honestly expect Trudeau Jr, to follow in the steps of his father and institute wage and price controls in a couple of years as all of this shit hits the fan.
Spot on. Now I've got a question...does this mean the people who don't have social media accounts are no longer "dangerous loners, with strong anti-social tendencies" and this will no longer count against them? I seem to remember several stories here in/. pushing the whole "if you don't have a social media account, good luck getting hired." And several more pushing the you're a danger to the public good.
They don't seem to work very well here in Canada. I'm guessing that within a year you'll see them trying to work out agreements with the established big box stores(Walmart, Canadian Tire, Giant Tiger, Sports Check(or whatever their new name is), Dollar *something* we have two national dollar type stores that sell everything from cheap crap to canned food at heavy discounts), and dumping their storefronts. Apple tried lots of fancy storefronts, didn't work. Now you'll only find their "apple" stuff in most cases inside big box stores like walmart. Even those are teetering on the face of failure, since people aren't really buying.
But there's still a long way to go, still a preference for attention-grabbing headlines over editorial fact-checking.
Editorial fact-checking is nearly dead in the internet age, because nearly every media group out there wants those sweet-sweet ad-clicks before anyone else. That started happening ~17-18 years ago, when the print and broadcast media realized that the internet isn't a "fad that's going to be dead in 5 years." The current crop of media especially the big names like CBS, ABC, WAPO, USA Today and so on have many more problems then simply fact-checking. Compare the statement and ethical policy of Breitbart, where it's stated that articles will have disclosure but no "clear path of access." Compare that to the other media out there, where you have ex-reporters or family members who own said companies or are CEO's/board members/etc working directly in the Obama administration, and there is no disclosure at all. Or even the cases where that same media has been caught red handed giving or receiving(see DNC leaks), to political reporters to push particular narratives. Or the one reporter from the NYT who left, stated that there was a directed narrative that the publishers wanted to push and went as far as directly contacting members in the Obama administration to plant particular things in order to make it fit the stories they wanted to write.
Wait until you find out that some of us are still using 5+ year old smart phones. Mine works(everywhere), does what it needs to, and I see no reason to upgrade. If I could have gotten away with a simple dumb cell phone I would have, but they sell them quick and usually only with limited stock numbers.
I think it will take another 10 years or so before it happens: people stop giving clicks to clickbait sites. Once the financial incentive to constantly invent clickbaity stories dies, integrity will climb.
You don't seem to understand. Your idea didn't work for buzzfeed, vox, vice, the mary sue or any site like that. There is a difference between those and say breitbart. Where breitbart's traffic is growing and so is their revenue, sites like buzzfeed, vox, vice, gawker and so on have lost upwards 80% of their ad revenue in the last 2 years and their long-term viewership numbers are dismal, declining or stagnant. Breitbart has editorial problems, but compared to the actual clickbait shit out there? Not even close.
This just means you're gullible enough to believe other people's interpretations of the Wikileaks emails.
Thanks for correcting the record there fam. $0.0125 dollars have been deposited into your account. Read the emails yourself. There's a difference between "communicating" with people, and then handing them draft articles so they can "correct the view points" like many of those reporters did.
The fact that you think there was no scandalous material in there says you haven't read them at all.
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Don't worry. It doesn't matter, when you have the CEO of a company -- in this case reddit turning around and changing posts because he threw a hissy fit. I'm now waiting for the same to happen with Facebook. Twitter is already burning themselves out, so no need to worry on that front.
Can we report that Trump says climate change is a hoax?
Remember that whole "fake news" thing? Yep, I bet you do. Your comment is coming based on that fake news.
If you're going to comment on something, you should at least know the most basic reasons why something is, the way it is. Like why the Electoral College and popular vote has shit to do with anything. Oh never mind, this is the same basic reason why you get so many things wrong and still don't understand why.
Wasn't there election day reports from Pennsylvania of straight Republican votes magically changing to Democratic votes? With cell phone video of it happening?
Texas. Video of it here. Another report here And also PA.
It became 'fake news' when you decided to read this article, and imply 'Clinton is a sore loser'.
Zing! And the point goes flying over your head, and you might catch up to it sometime next week.
Most of my friends are die-hard Republicans, but I don't know a single person who (admitted) voting for Trump. I suspect that's because this election wasn't really fought along typical Republican vs Democrat, leftie vs rightie lines.
And that's exactly what it is. You'll find people from both sides of the isle voted for Trump because of what Hillary stood for. The reality is there was more support for Trump because he wasn't establishment, she was. They feel that the current state of government doesn't represent the people. That's why he had the support. The media is at a loss, and still hasn't learned anything from it though.
A lot of people like myself, who are or were heavily invested in politics saw this coming. This has been building for ~20 odd years, and it's very close to reaching the full-on shoot politicians in the streets. The Tea Party stuff was a warning sign, just like AfD, FN, and so on are warning signs. The media refused to listen, the politicians refused to listen. In the end Trump is far less extreme then the next candidate would have been. Just like Le Pen is, just like Frauke Petry is.
I also think there are a lot of people who are in the "I would never vote for Trump" crowd, because they don't want to be associated with some of his more bizarre stances, who secretly voted for Trump when no one was looking.
It's more likely they don't want to be targeted or attacked. You can seem multiple cases of that all over the US. Unlike the people who claimed "Trump supporters" attacked them. Those people who made the claims are being charged with filing false police reports. Off the top of my head, I can think of fake rape, fake assaults, fake vandalism, fake flyers, fake deportation letters, fake claims of harassment and mugging.
Well that's what happens when you live in a bubble. Politicians, media, academia. Shouldn't be a surprise at all, they all have a similar viewpoint they want to push and are suddenly shocked when "the plebs" don't vote the way they tell them to. This is further compounded because they're simply so out of touch with the average person. This is also something you can see with quite a few posters here on /. All the things though, I'm expecting several more "upsets" this year, both with Germany and France.
Is this part of the fake news? Or is it actually real news? Or is it Clinton being a sore loser. The DNC and Clinton doesn't really have a leg to stand on though, especially after fixing their own primary to make sure she was the candidate.
You forgot one of the biggest reasons of large hydro bills in Ontario, and it wasn't the switch away from coal. The debt retirement charge where we, the customer, got to pay off the debt of Ontario Hydro when it went private and was broken up into Hydro One and all the other various utilities. And not only did we get to pay off that debt, we got to do it twice because instead of putting that money towards the debt the first time the provincial government used it for other things.
Bzzt. Ontario hasn't had a debt retirement charge on it's bill in almost half a decade. Removing the coal plants caused a small spike in prices. The green energy programs caused a huge spike because the rate they were paying were between 0.40-0.92kWh into the grid due to FIT programs. Where as nuke, hydro and NG are under 0.07kWh in production costs.
The liberals have been in power in Ontario over over 12 years. Yes, you can put all the blame directly on their shoulders for this. It was their actions to not change and re-regulate(never mind that my electricity bill in my co-op in FL is literally 1/3 of what I pay here), it was their actions to pass the "green energy act" it was their choice not to learn from places like Greece which did the same thing. Their electricity rates went through the roof, and those "green energy jobs" never materialized either. Never mind that electricity generation from NG, Hydro and Nuclear is literally pennies to make these days. Or that at those rates it's sold to the US. That Ontario has such a glut of electricity, that all these "green" feel good policies didn't need to happen in the first place. No this can all be laid directly at the Liberals feet.
You apparently don't realize how much farming is an electricity intensive business. If you've got crops in the ground? Not so much. You have cattle, turkey, chicken, pigs or any other livestock? It's expensive. Now we're talking heat, cleanup, milking, storage of feed grains(including climate control) for them. Then the storage of animal waste, some of which can't be allowed to sit. Then that requires ponds with mixers, and on, and on, and on, and on.
Be f***ed now, or be f***ed later. If you factor in the external cost coal is pretty expensive. But, those cost will have to be paid by someone else.
Considering losing cheap electricity counts for both? It means that tax bases dry up as companies move elsewhere, it means that there's less money for healthcare. It means that the government has to borrow more money to cover the existing programs at the same level. So you tell me what's worse, the fact that you're going to be buried alive in sovereign debt like Ontario is now -- and has the highest debt per-person of any western "state, province, or country" or you engage in short-term feel good politics(like removing those plants) and smile as your industries pack up and leave for places where they can manufacture goods cheaper. Then wonder where you're going to get the money to cover those already in-coming healthcare costs.
I notice you fail to include any costs due to the environmental impact of using coal. Myopia, get it looked at.
Far less then the immediate impact then say the steel industry, or the huge amount of smog that's in Toronto for example. But I'm sure if you lived here, you'd be perfectly fine paying the electricity rates that we are right? Or would you be one of those middle class people who are now one pay cheque shy of being unable to cover anything.
I wonder what you would be saying ~8,000-10,000 years ago, when the arctic and antarctic ice levels were so high that entire new island chains were created.
And with 3 AC's I'll pick your stupid comment--and yes it's stupid--as the one to reply to.
So they trust the Net of Lies instead? ROTFLOL. The MSM may not be perfect, but it isn't anything like the alt-right lie fest the Internet has become.
So you're perfectly fine with the mass-media centralization? The reporters who colluded with political campaigns to get them elected(see Clinton). The numbers of ex-reporters in the current US administration, and their spouses who still work for the networks. Or the "big dogs" at the top who have friends and family who work in both. That if I pick up a national newspaper, I'm going to find that same story near word-for-word in a state paper, and a local paper, and a regional paper? That there aren't inherent problems with everyone writing their news based on only a few news feed organizations. Where there is no disclosure.
I'm sure that you also believe that Pepe the frog is a white nationalist symbol, and the right wing death squads are coming to get you. You haven't learned anything that's happened in the last year. Time to get introspective.
Note, that's also the National Post, the right wing rag of Canada, so if THEY are publishing it, there must be some fire behind that smoke.
National Post hasn't been right-wing for almost 3 years. Just a FYI. They decided to start pushing lefty agendas and people are fleeing in droves from the paper. Just like they've fled Toronto Star and Globe and Mail. NAPO in it's wisdom decided to even double down, and subscriber and page views continue to drop.
I live in Ontario, we've got 2cm on the ground you're welcome to take. Then again, you dig back through the historical records and you'll quickly find that your weather is normal. The snow was not. Just a heads up though, plotting actual nominal weather for BC is pretty hard, being that most of the data is less then 150 years old.
Sure. And it also was one of the contributing factors to drive the price of electricity from $0.07kWh at peak to the current price of $0.18kWh at peak in less than a decade. Though the main culprit behind that is the "green energy" program here, which as paid at rates as high as $0.92kWh for generation. How it's effectively fucked us. How it's putting farmers out of business. How the government knew it was a bad idea from the start. And it's shit like this that causes populist revolts. It is now so bad here in Ontario, that 700k hydro customers are 4 months or more in arrears. And 70k people have had their electricity cut because of non-payment. The largest hydro company in Ontario is Hydro One with 1.3m customers to give you some scope of how these policies are completely fucking things up. And if you American's don't pay attention to this, you're going to see the same thing. If you want to see it in action? Look at Alberta. Yep they use coal. They use coal because the population is so spread out that transmission lines don't exist. Now, they're having to build new transmission lines as well.
Short sighted, shitty policies and all it does is hurt everyone. Top that out with the proposed "carbon taxes" Canada will likely hit a recession within 3mo of them being implemented, and if we don't hit a depression when the cost of goods jumps at a minimum of 20% which is the conservative estimate from some of the most liberal think tanks in the country. I'll be surprised.
They're not dying because of social media. They're dying because people don't trust them and are looking for their news from any source but them. What's the trust rating of the MSM these days? 6-10% something like that. People know the media have lied, carried an agenda, pushed partisan politics. This is all a problem of their own making.
This is likely to get a lot worse since Canada bet on the wrong horse (leftist policies) when our major trading partners are going all in on right wing policies (Brexit, Trump). Hold onto your horses, the new few years are going to be a wild ride.
Hey, just think you can be in Ontario. Which has seen electricity prices go through the roof. And both the provincial and federal governments want to introduce a "carbon tax" which will turn around and with current rough estimates raise the price of goods by around 20% Yeah, that's really going to help people out. Canada is in the same position it was in the late 1970s, and I honestly expect Trudeau Jr, to follow in the steps of his father and institute wage and price controls in a couple of years as all of this shit hits the fan.
Spot on. Now I've got a question...does this mean the people who don't have social media accounts are no longer "dangerous loners, with strong anti-social tendencies" and this will no longer count against them? I seem to remember several stories here in /. pushing the whole "if you don't have a social media account, good luck getting hired." And several more pushing the you're a danger to the public good.
They don't seem to work very well here in Canada. I'm guessing that within a year you'll see them trying to work out agreements with the established big box stores(Walmart, Canadian Tire, Giant Tiger, Sports Check(or whatever their new name is), Dollar *something* we have two national dollar type stores that sell everything from cheap crap to canned food at heavy discounts), and dumping their storefronts. Apple tried lots of fancy storefronts, didn't work. Now you'll only find their "apple" stuff in most cases inside big box stores like walmart. Even those are teetering on the face of failure, since people aren't really buying.
But there's still a long way to go, still a preference for attention-grabbing headlines over editorial fact-checking.
Editorial fact-checking is nearly dead in the internet age, because nearly every media group out there wants those sweet-sweet ad-clicks before anyone else. That started happening ~17-18 years ago, when the print and broadcast media realized that the internet isn't a "fad that's going to be dead in 5 years." The current crop of media especially the big names like CBS, ABC, WAPO, USA Today and so on have many more problems then simply fact-checking. Compare the statement and ethical policy of Breitbart, where it's stated that articles will have disclosure but no "clear path of access." Compare that to the other media out there, where you have ex-reporters or family members who own said companies or are CEO's/board members/etc working directly in the Obama administration, and there is no disclosure at all. Or even the cases where that same media has been caught red handed giving or receiving(see DNC leaks), to political reporters to push particular narratives. Or the one reporter from the NYT who left, stated that there was a directed narrative that the publishers wanted to push and went as far as directly contacting members in the Obama administration to plant particular things in order to make it fit the stories they wanted to write.
What, you can't afford a more recent iPhone?
Wait until you find out that some of us are still using 5+ year old smart phones. Mine works(everywhere), does what it needs to, and I see no reason to upgrade. If I could have gotten away with a simple dumb cell phone I would have, but they sell them quick and usually only with limited stock numbers.
I think it will take another 10 years or so before it happens: people stop giving clicks to clickbait sites. Once the financial incentive to constantly invent clickbaity stories dies, integrity will climb.
You don't seem to understand. Your idea didn't work for buzzfeed, vox, vice, the mary sue or any site like that. There is a difference between those and say breitbart. Where breitbart's traffic is growing and so is their revenue, sites like buzzfeed, vox, vice, gawker and so on have lost upwards 80% of their ad revenue in the last 2 years and their long-term viewership numbers are dismal, declining or stagnant. Breitbart has editorial problems, but compared to the actual clickbait shit out there? Not even close.
Alt-right = white supremacists. You just don't like it.
Going by that reasoning: SJWs and Social Justice supporters = literal nazi's. You just don't like it.
This just means you're gullible enough to believe other people's interpretations of the Wikileaks emails.
Thanks for correcting the record there fam. $0.0125 dollars have been deposited into your account. Read the emails yourself. There's a difference between "communicating" with people, and then handing them draft articles so they can "correct the view points" like many of those reporters did.
The fact that you think there was no scandalous material in there says you haven't read them at all.