They bought a license to let them use it. This is why I don't buy anything in the cloud, if I don't have the physical media then the thing I "bought" can go away at any time.
Depends on where you live. Come to Canada? You indeed did "buy a copy for personal use" and so on. Think AUS(probably a few others too) has a similar law on the books, so yeah these people are being defrauded.
You apparently believe that if someone were to copy something by hand, it's not copyright infringement. You're wrong.
If I sit down a draft a F1 race car by what I see, it's not copy infringement anymore then a person copying a weapon mesh by hand and drawing it out in their own copy of 3DS or Maya.
That doesn't actually prove anything. After all, this is exactly the same as the one found in the game. But the models were redone by hand. You can even prove that by looking at the very basic information in nifskope. The only thing that image actually proves? It looks exactly the same, nothing more.
Until the assets from both games are pulled and compared using 3DS, nifskope, maya and so on, this actually boils down to a whole lot of "he said/they said/etc." Even that thread on PCMR doesn't prove shit except they "look the same" and basing anything off that is fully useless. Since a modeller can make it look the same and have vastly different methods to create the same effect.
That's a good point actually, did MS just forget to put a term about binding arbitration in their EULA? How come she didn't simply decline the EULA when it appeared on screen?
Doubtful, gotta remember in a lot of the commonwealth countries you can't be forced waive legal rights by contract, EULA or ToS. Arbitration can be an option if you choose so, but that's it.
The exchange rate is screwing me badly at the moment. Thousands of Pounds a year lost to it.
Welcome to Canada. It's been like that here since the 1960's, minus a brief period in the early 2010's. There's huge advantages to it however, on top of that I don't expect the volatility to last a long time. On the other hand, if you want to learn FOREX this is a great time to get your hands wet and start making money.
Yep, and there's the typical BS of someone who knows they're losing an argument. A personal attack, good job there kiddo. You'd best go back and re-read what he wrote, when you get to the part where he said that to paraphrase "their betters should be telling people how to vote" I'll be waiting. Then I'll be waiting for that realization that you've proven over 3 posts that you don't have any idea of what you're talking about.
So you're blaming immigration and not the oil crash for change in salaries, but demand that the oil crash impact is included when assessing change in salaries?
This doesn't feel like a terribly reliable use of statistics.
That's because the depression of salaries happened prior to the oil market crash, when companies decided to start laying off the workers they had and hiring foreign workers to replace them while claiming they "couldn't find anyone to do the jobs" doesn't that sound familiar to Americans?
I know that's a very difficult thing to grasp, but those people with their jobs being replaced? That was happening 2 years before the market tanked. What? Need a story on it? Here's one of the dozens of articles on it.Oh look here's another. How about another? Wonder why the conservative government here suddenly cracked down on the TFW program but the current liberal government decided to open it back up?
Sounds like a great use for Small Claims Court. In the UK it's always at your local court, you don't need a lawyer and it only costs 35 quid
It is, but queue the people from the US who say that since it's in the EULA you can't do that. Never mind those of us in commonwealth countries that don't use the same legal system or anything.
(about $3 at today's exchange rate)
Talk about persistent whining from people who've never actually lived under actual low currency exchange rates next to one of the largest economies in the world. FYI: A low dollar for the UK right now is a great thing, especially for your export sectors. And especially to forge trade alliances with other countries that can provide raw resources for your economy.
Funny how reality is wholly different isn't it? That's why the EU(commission) has come out saying to paraphrase "we'll do whatever we want, and if the public doesn't like it too bad." And the MEP's can do nothing about that. Or when they came out and said "if a right-wing party is elected, we won't do anything with them and block them from doing anything." So democratic isn't it...that commission that isn't elected. You know who else uses things like "councils of ministers" to implement decisions regardless of the populaces support? Communist and totalitarian countries.
There is no indication that salaries for welders have gone down:
Using data that's 4 years old prior to the oil crash no less. Time for you to go out and talk to people in the industry and you'll discover how wrong you are. Not forgetting that in the US average wages have declined the last 8 years by roughly $4k if I remember right. Canucks have a higher average wage then Americans do now, the last time that happened was in the 1970's.
And, yes, if you command $70k for welding (a really high end salary), you're overqualified for jobs that can be done by people making half as much. And a lot that high end speciality welding has just been taken over by other manufacturing methods.
No, $70k isn't high end, it's just past the median and under the norm for oil/NG/coal patch work, where you can see welders pulling in $150k/year.
Their jobs are becoming increasingly obsolete, with CNCs, electric vehicles, and new technologies. What's left is only the low-skill jobs, which, not surprisingly, will be handled by low cost, low skill labor.
No actually they aren't. Gas/diesel vehicles aren't going anywhere for at least another 50 years, there will be an increase in hybrid vehicles but outside of Europe? Battery vehicles for most people aren't going to be anything except for short range. Even here in Southern Ontario you can't get from one fast-charge station to another in some cases before you'd run out of juice. Anyway, mechanics shift with the times. As gas gets pushed out, you'll see them shift into the electronics end like many did in the 90's and become specialized in that. The guys who saw ahead that they were going to slap computers in every car and all that? Those mechanics are clearing $100-140k yearly these days. CNC's will go obsolete when millwrights do, likely never. Since you'll always need someone who can think beyond what a machine is programed to do and see the actual flaws of what's being made.
You're right of course. The EU wasn't socialist, it was a dictatorship. Elected MEP's couldn't do shit, and an unelected commission held the defacto power. Of course it's not "stupid right wingers" that say this, there's plenty of "stupid left wingers" that say the same thing and deny that under said dictatorship you get lots more freedoms...by giving up your sovereignty and bowing down to people you didn't elect.
You can find them all over the place. Many have also lost upwards of $20k/year because their wages were pushed down by companies bringing in 3rd world workers to do the same job. It's happened here in Canada as well, a company laid off all of their welders in the patch and replaced them with TFW's from SE-Asia. The guys were making $70k/year the new guys? $39k in turn wages were depressed when those guys went out to find new work. Two guys I met in the patch 3 years ago are making $59k now(that was 2 years ago when they found new jobs), that was the only work they could find.
So far the only skilled workers that haven't been hit are pipe fitters, machinists and mechanics(gas/diesel/jet), but they're trying really hard to push the people who live here in north america and are diesel/jet mechanics out and get TFW's or other replacements in.
How's that working in the US these days with Obamacare? Oh right...dismally. And that's why having a group of unelected bureaucrats who make all the decisions away from the people who actually need it is a terrible idea.
So the government increased the price on electricity and it caused elderly people to freeze to death. Yeah some how that never happened especially since electricity prices in the UK are done like they are here in Ontario(and most of Canada), outside agency. The irony in all of this is they went hog wild and pushed for the "use less energy, it's great for the environment!" So everyone did. Now they're saying "we need to raise the rates, because people aren't using enough energy!" Enjoy that double edged sword.
Well you can look at Ontario, none of what you said actually stacks up to reality. Nuclear generates nearly 75% of our electricity, 21% hydro and 4% NG. Green energy generates between 1-2%. But the cost of including those via FiT programs has caused the price of electricity to increase from 0.05kWh at peak to just over 0.17kWh. So when you look for those net benefits they evaporate, what's the health costs of running nuclear, hydro? NG there is a small cost, but next to zero same as those green energy sources but said other sources drive your prices through the roof.
It's fun to play the "even if the price increased" unless you live there, like I live in Ontario. But it's bad for business, it's bad for people, it hurts the economy and in turn decreases the number of jobs for people because it's simply too expensive to do business. So now that tax base is starting to pack up and leave, and where are you going to get money now?
Unless wind/solar/etc work when it's cloudy or windy like in other parts of the world nearly all the time it'll never replace other sources like hydro-electric or nuclear. And unless the cost is pennies people won't like their electric rates going through the roof like what we've seen in other countries or here in Canada either. Ontario has had a big push for green energy and as of today at peak you're paying just a bit above $0.17kWh for electricity for your home and double that for industrial uses. It's around $0.07kWh at peak just across the border in Michigan and half that for industrial rates. When nuclear costs under $0.05kWh to sell, when hydro-electric is $0.025, when coal and NG are $0.01-0.068kWh those green sources have to come a long way still.
And that's because in Ontario they decided to pay $0.80kWh for various forms of green energy. On the upside, it hasn't gotten as bad as Germany when it hit $0.43kWh for home use. Cheap energy is one of the greatest equalizers of civilization and one of the best providers in increasing the standards of living across the globe. Drive the price up too high and you see what happened in the UK a few years ago with the elderly on pensions dying because they froze to death during the winter.
Actually I have been wondering for a long time why trains don't do exactly what these trucks are doing. Many (most?) trains now (at least around here in the US) are deisel-electric with a deisel engine running an on-board generator to make electricity for the wheels. If you had retractable electrical things on the top of the engine to connect to overhead wires you could use grid electricity for the steep grades and other fuel demanding portions of the trip (like the first couple miles out of major rail yards where you are still getting up to speed) and then spin up the diesel as you get into the long stretches of mainline where you only need to overcome air and rolling resistance which are both minimal for a train.
It's more expensive then the current system and there's no incentive to do so because of other issues. You're talking about laying thousands of miles of electric lines and in some cases you then run into issues requiring environmental impact studies, complaints from NIMBY's and so on. This has actually been tested in the past and was found infeasible. On top of that most diesel engines in use today are DC output only, and unless you're then dumping more equipment onto the engine to make a conversion from DC to AC it becomes another problem. You'll see those odd cases where they bring in train engines to provide power somewhere right? They'll hook them up to a convertor before hooking them into the grid and those suckers aren't small, some of them are the size of a boxcar and pulling one of those along just to dump energy back in is a waste when it can be used for cargo. And you'll want them on the train don't think otherwise. Otherwise you have potentially hundreds of points of failure where these live lines could suddenly be dumping DC power onto an AC grid or the other way around. Then there's the problem of getting the utilities and governments on board with something like this.
As well, the cost for hauling by train is dirt cheap. So dirt cheap that no one really cares to do something like this.
Well some of the largest groups of people living on the streets are in "left-wing bastions" of living. And is so bad in some areas that they install measures to stop the homeless from sleeping in their doorways or in their pristine parks. Then again many right wingers are happy to let other organizations help them, said organizations are usually privately funded or religious...mainly religious. Many of those left wingers are also happy to try and tax those religious organizations and non-profits for said work too.
Wow, your ability to think is severely hampered. Let me do a replay:
You mean your ability to comprehend is severely hampered. Allow me to fix your stuff:
Amimojo: voters are too stupid to vote and need their betters to tell them how/what to do. Me: you're pro-authoritarian You: used some quotes to try and appeal via authority, and didn't actually prove their point. Me: come up with something coherent to the original thread idiot.
Quotes surely do prove that people said stuff, but in the context of the original are useless. There's a fundamental difference between democracy, and some classist individual believes that voters are dumb and need to be told how to vote. Keep in mind, that was the entire premise on the remain campaign. "We know better then you, and if you don't vote the way we tell you: You're racist and xenophobic." Not "Look at how great things are in the EU! If we leave we're gonna lose all this great stuff."
It in the end says a lot more about you then me, that you don't even realize that.
The first is really the big one. The second? Well we haven't had a real war in two or three generations where the possibility of large swaths of the male population getting wiped out is a real problem either. Especially here in the west. That also causes a lower birthrate.
There's a third point you missed, and that's due to lifestyle changes itself. Unlike ye olde days(~130 years ago), when 8 kids was the norm because you lived in the rural areas. Needed the kids to help out, there was a 40% mortality rate by the age of 5 and there was a lack of immunizations and so on that could lead to half of them dying by their 10th birthday. I'm sure you get the point, but with more people living urban you don't "need" kids to fill your life with something else to do besides work. And many people believed that they were a joy and broke the monotony of truly hard work. In my own family tree you can see the moment that happened and it was around 1900 that the last big family was born. My great-great grandparents on both sides of the family(asian and german sides) had 10 kids. By 1950 it was 3 to 4 kids to each side of the family, both families were living in the post-world war areas of the world. But in the US/Canada it had already dropped to 1 to 2 per family.
Who's forcing anyone? When was the last time you saw someone hold a woman at gunpoint to make her take her pill?
No one, it's one of those yippy talking points that radfems like to use. Never mind that they'll immediately shy away if you point out women who stop taking the pill so she'll become pregnant. Or do other things like poke holes in condoms or take them out of the trash.
Whoops it looks like you're an idiot. One that believes that quotes instead of a rational reply show some form of intelligence. Such is the hard life for people such as yourself, maybe a couple of years will teach you something. Here,some friendsyou can sulk with.
Says the person who earlier came out trying to backpedal hard that the EU itself isn't a pro-authoritarian group of unelected bureaucrats. If you're unwilling to allow the electorate to make a choice then you're an authoritarian. If you think that people are doing something because it doesn't fit with your agenda and you label those people doing so because it's "fear and stupidity" you're still an authoritarian. You're simply trying to rationalize that.
Why can't you have another vote to rejoin? What's stopping you besides your whining over it? In 5 years time those people who you believe would still be on the "right side of history" and vote the way you want would have more life experience and likely shift in exactly the same direction. Funny how that age breakdown seems to show exactly that.
Proof, if it were needed, that people are too stupid to be trusted with decisions like this. The primary objection was that "the loser could win", demonstrating beyond any doubt that most people can't understand simple mathematics.
In other words you're an authoritarian that doesn't actually believe in democracy unless it gets you what you want.
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They bought a license to let them use it. This is why I don't buy anything in the cloud, if I don't have the physical media then the thing I "bought" can go away at any time.
Depends on where you live. Come to Canada? You indeed did "buy a copy for personal use" and so on. Think AUS(probably a few others too) has a similar law on the books, so yeah these people are being defrauded.
You're still wrong.
No, I'm actually not. You just happen to be ignorant on actual copyright laws.
You apparently believe that if someone were to copy something by hand, it's not copyright infringement. You're wrong.
If I sit down a draft a F1 race car by what I see, it's not copy infringement anymore then a person copying a weapon mesh by hand and drawing it out in their own copy of 3DS or Maya.
Take a look at this:
http://i.imgur.com/ZQeBNGs.png
Direct copy of CoD assets, like it or not.
That doesn't actually prove anything. After all, this is exactly the same as the one found in the game. But the models were redone by hand. You can even prove that by looking at the very basic information in nifskope. The only thing that image actually proves? It looks exactly the same, nothing more.
Until the assets from both games are pulled and compared using 3DS, nifskope, maya and so on, this actually boils down to a whole lot of "he said/they said/etc." Even that thread on PCMR doesn't prove shit except they "look the same" and basing anything off that is fully useless. Since a modeller can make it look the same and have vastly different methods to create the same effect.
That's a good point actually, did MS just forget to put a term about binding arbitration in their EULA? How come she didn't simply decline the EULA when it appeared on screen?
Doubtful, gotta remember in a lot of the commonwealth countries you can't be forced waive legal rights by contract, EULA or ToS. Arbitration can be an option if you choose so, but that's it.
The exchange rate is screwing me badly at the moment. Thousands of Pounds a year lost to it.
Welcome to Canada. It's been like that here since the 1960's, minus a brief period in the early 2010's. There's huge advantages to it however, on top of that I don't expect the volatility to last a long time. On the other hand, if you want to learn FOREX this is a great time to get your hands wet and start making money.
Yep, and there's the typical BS of someone who knows they're losing an argument. A personal attack, good job there kiddo. You'd best go back and re-read what he wrote, when you get to the part where he said that to paraphrase "their betters should be telling people how to vote" I'll be waiting. Then I'll be waiting for that realization that you've proven over 3 posts that you don't have any idea of what you're talking about.
So you're blaming immigration and not the oil crash for change in salaries, but demand that the oil crash impact is included when assessing change in salaries?
This doesn't feel like a terribly reliable use of statistics.
That's because the depression of salaries happened prior to the oil market crash, when companies decided to start laying off the workers they had and hiring foreign workers to replace them while claiming they "couldn't find anyone to do the jobs" doesn't that sound familiar to Americans?
I know that's a very difficult thing to grasp, but those people with their jobs being replaced? That was happening 2 years before the market tanked. What? Need a story on it? Here's one of the dozens of articles on it. Oh look here's another. How about another? Wonder why the conservative government here suddenly cracked down on the TFW program but the current liberal government decided to open it back up?
Sounds like a great use for Small Claims Court. In the UK it's always at your local court, you don't need a lawyer and it only costs 35 quid
It is, but queue the people from the US who say that since it's in the EULA you can't do that. Never mind those of us in commonwealth countries that don't use the same legal system or anything.
(about $3 at today's exchange rate)
Talk about persistent whining from people who've never actually lived under actual low currency exchange rates next to one of the largest economies in the world. FYI: A low dollar for the UK right now is a great thing, especially for your export sectors. And especially to forge trade alliances with other countries that can provide raw resources for your economy.
You should go look at jessica valenti and some of dwarkins more recent stuff, they have both argued against it.
Funny how reality is wholly different isn't it? That's why the EU(commission) has come out saying to paraphrase "we'll do whatever we want, and if the public doesn't like it too bad." And the MEP's can do nothing about that. Or when they came out and said "if a right-wing party is elected, we won't do anything with them and block them from doing anything." So democratic isn't it...that commission that isn't elected. You know who else uses things like "councils of ministers" to implement decisions regardless of the populaces support? Communist and totalitarian countries.
There is no indication that salaries for welders have gone down:
Using data that's 4 years old prior to the oil crash no less. Time for you to go out and talk to people in the industry and you'll discover how wrong you are. Not forgetting that in the US average wages have declined the last 8 years by roughly $4k if I remember right. Canucks have a higher average wage then Americans do now, the last time that happened was in the 1970's.
And, yes, if you command $70k for welding (a really high end salary), you're overqualified for jobs that can be done by people making half as much. And a lot that high end speciality welding has just been taken over by other manufacturing methods.
No, $70k isn't high end, it's just past the median and under the norm for oil/NG/coal patch work, where you can see welders pulling in $150k/year.
Their jobs are becoming increasingly obsolete, with CNCs, electric vehicles, and new technologies. What's left is only the low-skill jobs, which, not surprisingly, will be handled by low cost, low skill labor.
No actually they aren't. Gas/diesel vehicles aren't going anywhere for at least another 50 years, there will be an increase in hybrid vehicles but outside of Europe? Battery vehicles for most people aren't going to be anything except for short range. Even here in Southern Ontario you can't get from one fast-charge station to another in some cases before you'd run out of juice. Anyway, mechanics shift with the times. As gas gets pushed out, you'll see them shift into the electronics end like many did in the 90's and become specialized in that. The guys who saw ahead that they were going to slap computers in every car and all that? Those mechanics are clearing $100-140k yearly these days. CNC's will go obsolete when millwrights do, likely never. Since you'll always need someone who can think beyond what a machine is programed to do and see the actual flaws of what's being made.
You're right of course. The EU wasn't socialist, it was a dictatorship. Elected MEP's couldn't do shit, and an unelected commission held the defacto power. Of course it's not "stupid right wingers" that say this, there's plenty of "stupid left wingers" that say the same thing and deny that under said dictatorship you get lots more freedoms...by giving up your sovereignty and bowing down to people you didn't elect.
You can find them all over the place. Many have also lost upwards of $20k/year because their wages were pushed down by companies bringing in 3rd world workers to do the same job. It's happened here in Canada as well, a company laid off all of their welders in the patch and replaced them with TFW's from SE-Asia. The guys were making $70k/year the new guys? $39k in turn wages were depressed when those guys went out to find new work. Two guys I met in the patch 3 years ago are making $59k now(that was 2 years ago when they found new jobs), that was the only work they could find.
So far the only skilled workers that haven't been hit are pipe fitters, machinists and mechanics(gas/diesel/jet), but they're trying really hard to push the people who live here in north america and are diesel/jet mechanics out and get TFW's or other replacements in.
How's that working in the US these days with Obamacare? Oh right...dismally. And that's why having a group of unelected bureaucrats who make all the decisions away from the people who actually need it is a terrible idea.
So the government increased the price on electricity and it caused elderly people to freeze to death. Yeah some how that never happened especially since electricity prices in the UK are done like they are here in Ontario(and most of Canada), outside agency. The irony in all of this is they went hog wild and pushed for the "use less energy, it's great for the environment!" So everyone did. Now they're saying "we need to raise the rates, because people aren't using enough energy!" Enjoy that double edged sword.
Well you can look at Ontario, none of what you said actually stacks up to reality. Nuclear generates nearly 75% of our electricity, 21% hydro and 4% NG. Green energy generates between 1-2%. But the cost of including those via FiT programs has caused the price of electricity to increase from 0.05kWh at peak to just over 0.17kWh. So when you look for those net benefits they evaporate, what's the health costs of running nuclear, hydro? NG there is a small cost, but next to zero same as those green energy sources but said other sources drive your prices through the roof.
It's fun to play the "even if the price increased" unless you live there, like I live in Ontario. But it's bad for business, it's bad for people, it hurts the economy and in turn decreases the number of jobs for people because it's simply too expensive to do business. So now that tax base is starting to pack up and leave, and where are you going to get money now?
Unless wind/solar/etc work when it's cloudy or windy like in other parts of the world nearly all the time it'll never replace other sources like hydro-electric or nuclear. And unless the cost is pennies people won't like their electric rates going through the roof like what we've seen in other countries or here in Canada either. Ontario has had a big push for green energy and as of today at peak you're paying just a bit above $0.17kWh for electricity for your home and double that for industrial uses. It's around $0.07kWh at peak just across the border in Michigan and half that for industrial rates. When nuclear costs under $0.05kWh to sell, when hydro-electric is $0.025, when coal and NG are $0.01-0.068kWh those green sources have to come a long way still.
And that's because in Ontario they decided to pay $0.80kWh for various forms of green energy. On the upside, it hasn't gotten as bad as Germany when it hit $0.43kWh for home use. Cheap energy is one of the greatest equalizers of civilization and one of the best providers in increasing the standards of living across the globe. Drive the price up too high and you see what happened in the UK a few years ago with the elderly on pensions dying because they froze to death during the winter.
Actually I have been wondering for a long time why trains don't do exactly what these trucks are doing. Many (most?) trains now (at least around here in the US) are deisel-electric with a deisel engine running an on-board generator to make electricity for the wheels. If you had retractable electrical things on the top of the engine to connect to overhead wires you could use grid electricity for the steep grades and other fuel demanding portions of the trip (like the first couple miles out of major rail yards where you are still getting up to speed) and then spin up the diesel as you get into the long stretches of mainline where you only need to overcome air and rolling resistance which are both minimal for a train.
It's more expensive then the current system and there's no incentive to do so because of other issues. You're talking about laying thousands of miles of electric lines and in some cases you then run into issues requiring environmental impact studies, complaints from NIMBY's and so on. This has actually been tested in the past and was found infeasible. On top of that most diesel engines in use today are DC output only, and unless you're then dumping more equipment onto the engine to make a conversion from DC to AC it becomes another problem. You'll see those odd cases where they bring in train engines to provide power somewhere right? They'll hook them up to a convertor before hooking them into the grid and those suckers aren't small, some of them are the size of a boxcar and pulling one of those along just to dump energy back in is a waste when it can be used for cargo. And you'll want them on the train don't think otherwise. Otherwise you have potentially hundreds of points of failure where these live lines could suddenly be dumping DC power onto an AC grid or the other way around. Then there's the problem of getting the utilities and governments on board with something like this.
As well, the cost for hauling by train is dirt cheap. So dirt cheap that no one really cares to do something like this.
Well some of the largest groups of people living on the streets are in "left-wing bastions" of living. And is so bad in some areas that they install measures to stop the homeless from sleeping in their doorways or in their pristine parks. Then again many right wingers are happy to let other organizations help them, said organizations are usually privately funded or religious...mainly religious. Many of those left wingers are also happy to try and tax those religious organizations and non-profits for said work too.
Wow, your ability to think is severely hampered. Let me do a replay:
You mean your ability to comprehend is severely hampered. Allow me to fix your stuff:
Amimojo: voters are too stupid to vote and need their betters to tell them how/what to do.
Me: you're pro-authoritarian
You: used some quotes to try and appeal via authority, and didn't actually prove their point.
Me: come up with something coherent to the original thread idiot.
Quotes surely do prove that people said stuff, but in the context of the original are useless. There's a fundamental difference between democracy, and some classist individual believes that voters are dumb and need to be told how to vote. Keep in mind, that was the entire premise on the remain campaign. "We know better then you, and if you don't vote the way we tell you: You're racist and xenophobic." Not "Look at how great things are in the EU! If we leave we're gonna lose all this great stuff."
It in the end says a lot more about you then me, that you don't even realize that.
The first is really the big one. The second? Well we haven't had a real war in two or three generations where the possibility of large swaths of the male population getting wiped out is a real problem either. Especially here in the west. That also causes a lower birthrate.
There's a third point you missed, and that's due to lifestyle changes itself. Unlike ye olde days(~130 years ago), when 8 kids was the norm because you lived in the rural areas. Needed the kids to help out, there was a 40% mortality rate by the age of 5 and there was a lack of immunizations and so on that could lead to half of them dying by their 10th birthday. I'm sure you get the point, but with more people living urban you don't "need" kids to fill your life with something else to do besides work. And many people believed that they were a joy and broke the monotony of truly hard work. In my own family tree you can see the moment that happened and it was around 1900 that the last big family was born. My great-great grandparents on both sides of the family(asian and german sides) had 10 kids. By 1950 it was 3 to 4 kids to each side of the family, both families were living in the post-world war areas of the world. But in the US/Canada it had already dropped to 1 to 2 per family.
Who's forcing anyone? When was the last time you saw someone hold a woman at gunpoint to make her take her pill?
No one, it's one of those yippy talking points that radfems like to use. Never mind that they'll immediately shy away if you point out women who stop taking the pill so she'll become pregnant. Or do other things like poke holes in condoms or take them out of the trash.
Whoops it looks like you're an idiot. One that believes that quotes instead of a rational reply show some form of intelligence. Such is the hard life for people such as yourself, maybe a couple of years will teach you something. Here, some friends you can sulk with.
Says the person who earlier came out trying to backpedal hard that the EU itself isn't a pro-authoritarian group of unelected bureaucrats. If you're unwilling to allow the electorate to make a choice then you're an authoritarian. If you think that people are doing something because it doesn't fit with your agenda and you label those people doing so because it's "fear and stupidity" you're still an authoritarian. You're simply trying to rationalize that.
Why can't you have another vote to rejoin? What's stopping you besides your whining over it? In 5 years time those people who you believe would still be on the "right side of history" and vote the way you want would have more life experience and likely shift in exactly the same direction. Funny how that age breakdown seems to show exactly that.
Proof, if it were needed, that people are too stupid to be trusted with decisions like this. The primary objection was that "the loser could win", demonstrating beyond any doubt that most people can't understand simple mathematics.
In other words you're an authoritarian that doesn't actually believe in democracy unless it gets you what you want.