I'm 60, in my day corporations couldn't get away with this nonsense because they knew we wouldn't stand for it.
My grandfather was 87 when he died back about 5 years ago, and we had a similar discussion. And you know what his statement was on the issue? Corporations got away with it just fine back then, they simply couldn't be as open on it as they used to be. If anything, it was worse even 50 years go as the media and advertising was tightly controlled, and disagreements over a product came only though word of mouth or when something catastrophic happened. Otherwise it was much easier to hush someone up, and let it get buried.
You miss the point. The OP was complaining about people accepting things on the internet without checking facts.
Apparently you missed this thing in debating called "common knowledge" it also applies to law. That certain facts are known without data or reference required to back them up. Things such as: 0C is the freezing point of water, the sky is blue. Human blood is red(unless you're red-green colour blind). That there are serious problems in the previously mentioned countries with them placing blame on any other third party. Those parties in no order are: America, the Zionists, and the Jews.
Wow man. Don't you pay attention to anything coming out of oh...the middle east these days? Or Pakistan, or islamist parts of Africa or Asia? It's all the zionists fault or the jews, or the americans.
They get free health care up north and other things we don't.
No, we don't. We pay for it in taxes, and the next imbecile that says we get "free health care" will get smacked with Lake Erie....before it was cleaned up.
What is all this "without sharp edges"? Toughen you wooses! Grow a pair for cripes sake.
Funny you say that. Back about 15 years ago when I was working in a small shop, when there was no such thing as "cases with non-rounded edges" a guy I was working with sliced his finger to the bone, and clean through a tendon. You realize it takes them about 8 seconds with a buffer wheel to remove those sharp edges when they stamp the part out from the sheet metal.
Even on cases that I buy where the edges are sharp, I pull them apart if they're unfinished on the inside and buff the edges down. I've been cut deeply enough that I've had enough of it.
I have sure noticed that some topics on various news sites and forums attract *immediate* right-wing commentary denigrating whatever the article is about.
Anything linked on drudge, instapundit, hot air or gateway pundit will attract nearly immediate commentary. That doesn't make a conspiracy. Then again, considering those sites are pretty much the only thing keeping left leaning news organizations alive these days by hits. I'd figure you'd be happy that we're out there and reading this stuff.
Out of aluminum? Maybe from Lian Li, but the price has gone up and I think their cheapest cases are going for around $70-80/pop these days for their decent mid-tower cases and you don't have to worry about sharp edges or anything. A bunch of their stuff is on clearance right now now too, so you can get some pretty good discounts. Otherwise cooler master if you don't mind steel cases, they round out all the edges and nothing is sharp. Even on their cheapest cases.
You jest, but for a lot of people, data is a lot cheaper than voice minutes.
Where is this mystical plan in Canada? Last I looked, and that was recently it didn't matter what plan it was. At all levels the screw over level was so high, that you were getting so badly fucked that you might as well go looking for a pay phone(we still have those in Canada).
Must be nice. My ISP's DSL side is on IPv6, their cable side isn't because the company that they buy their headend connection through(rogers) still hasn't finished upgrading everything. My modem is good to go, and has been for over three years.
You mean tractor trailers? Those things cause as much wear and tear as 7,000 passenger cars, but you can bet your ass they don't pay 7,000 times as much per mile in fuel taxes. Even at 2 MPG a truck would have to pay about $175 PER GALLON in fuel taxes if they were to shoulder their share of the repair costs.
Oh, well see trucks don't pay just on fuel taxes, that's just one very small area. They also have to pay tax on tires, then they also have to pay the haul and freight coverage as marked in their log book(which is why it's a serious crime if it's not kept upto date)--including how many axles you were using at the time. Then in some states you're also paying transit taxes on your oil changes. And you also get dinged in several other areas. Then there's M&F taxes, and transit taxes for your CVOR, and some more for other permits.
They pay their fare share. It's only the ignorant who've never worked a blue collar job in their life that think otherwise.
There would be so much to change that the cost would prevent it - just think of how many road signs there are for example.
We went though this in Canada decades ago, it wasn't the cost of the road signs that was a real problem though(some stayed the same--others were simply changed over as the signs degraded), and it wasn't really that which pissed most people off. It was the change over to metric, then after the adjustment that people were getting less and paying more. Roughly around 20-35% more in well everything, enjoy that full-on quality screw over guys.
Odd, he answered your question. But you returned with a snide reply, it seems that the only person with their panties in a twist is yourself. He makes a good point, between the two you can tell which of either does good work with the money they receive.
Truth be told, even though Bieber is from Canada. He's the spawn of a pair of mutant beavers, it happens sometimes. This is why there's a concerted effort in Canada to destroy beaver dams and lodges in the early stages. To make sure that this plague never reaches the rest of humanity. Someone obviously dropped the ball on this one.
Gas heat is at least 300% cheaper than electricty.
Unless you're already using the lighting for a particular purpose. Than that "waste heat" is already going towards the heating, which is the parents point, and mine. In Canada this is the case as well. CFL's are nice and all, but regular incandescents help with general heating costs here in the winter when you're already in a room doing something.
Guns are designed for no other purpose than to kill or maim. Easy availability allows for more and deadlier crimes, so their use should be restricted. However, Apple devices are the targets of crime owing to their desirability.
Knives are designed for no other purpose than to kill or maim. Easily availability allows for more and deadlier crimes, so their use should be restricted. Anything is a target of desirability, including money.
BS. Missed that? Bullshit. In Canada most climate data is based on extrapolations on 30-35 year windows because there is no other data, because it doesn't exist. Any other data that existed was based on sites that weren't even close, or were from 400+KM away. Most of our weather network didn't even exist until 1977, and only cities, military bases and outposts did weather recording. Or landlocked ships.
I sure did. I also remember the "competition" being killed in the last decade by incumbents crushing them out of the marketplace. It doesn't matter that it's one of the most powerful technology companies or not, especially if they're locked in with peerage agreements and continue to do their best to push them out.
At one time there was competition in the US, not anymore. The US is where Canada was back in 99 through 2008. Back oh 10-12 years ago, I was in total awe of the US broadband speeds(I live in Canada) compared to what my parents could get in Florida, or my best friend was getting in Indianapolis/Franklin(15/1@$33/mo with no cap on cable). Jump a head 9 years when I'm at a state where I can winter travel and work, to avoid to cold and what can I get in Florida at my winter place? 6/1 cable @$55/mo, no DSL service options there, no FIOS options there. Right now I'm getting 25/1@$42/mo with a 300GB cap in Canada.
When the rules changed about letting other ISPs rent out from the head-ends and DSLAMs, the competition went away. The prices skyrocketed, and the QoS fell through the floor.
Now don't pretend like I said it was a legal contract or the law or anything, but the social contract is to exchange content for ad views. And it's the consumers pulling a "I have altered the deal. Pray that I do not alter it further" moment.
The social contract exists as long as: There is a service being exchanged for an equal service. And there is nothing disreputable going on. You and I both know that the chances of picking up malware from an ad. Are as good as picking up a antibiotic resistant MSRA in a hospital by having an open wound and rubbing along the floor. And that's because advertisers don't screen them, or they believe that the turnover from getting more money is worth angering people even at the loss of viewship from those sites. After all, it won't be the "advertisers" fault, it will the sites fault.
Adblock is so effective that advertisers want it outlawed.
I always liked this one, I mean it. I really like it, it means that the people are speaking loudly enough that they find their methods irresponsible. If advertisers weren't acting like flashers in front of 10 year old's, who had a side-job as peeping toms after 9pm, they'd probably wouldn't be having this problem with people installing adblockers.
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I'm 60, in my day corporations couldn't get away with this nonsense because they knew we wouldn't stand for it.
My grandfather was 87 when he died back about 5 years ago, and we had a similar discussion. And you know what his statement was on the issue? Corporations got away with it just fine back then, they simply couldn't be as open on it as they used to be. If anything, it was worse even 50 years go as the media and advertising was tightly controlled, and disagreements over a product came only though word of mouth or when something catastrophic happened. Otherwise it was much easier to hush someone up, and let it get buried.
You miss the point. The OP was complaining about people accepting things on the internet without checking facts.
Apparently you missed this thing in debating called "common knowledge" it also applies to law. That certain facts are known without data or reference required to back them up. Things such as: 0C is the freezing point of water, the sky is blue. Human blood is red(unless you're red-green colour blind). That there are serious problems in the previously mentioned countries with them placing blame on any other third party. Those parties in no order are: America, the Zionists, and the Jews.
Facts or references, please.
Wow man. Don't you pay attention to anything coming out of oh...the middle east these days? Or Pakistan, or islamist parts of Africa or Asia? It's all the zionists fault or the jews, or the americans.
They get free health care up north and other things we don't.
No, we don't. We pay for it in taxes, and the next imbecile that says we get "free health care" will get smacked with Lake Erie....before it was cleaned up.
What is all this "without sharp edges"? Toughen you wooses! Grow a pair for cripes sake.
Funny you say that. Back about 15 years ago when I was working in a small shop, when there was no such thing as "cases with non-rounded edges" a guy I was working with sliced his finger to the bone, and clean through a tendon. You realize it takes them about 8 seconds with a buffer wheel to remove those sharp edges when they stamp the part out from the sheet metal.
Even on cases that I buy where the edges are sharp, I pull them apart if they're unfinished on the inside and buff the edges down. I've been cut deeply enough that I've had enough of it.
Yeah. All one has to do is look at Obama's "truth teams" for the glorious insight into how that's working.
I have sure noticed that some topics on various news sites and forums attract *immediate* right-wing commentary denigrating whatever the article is about.
Anything linked on drudge, instapundit, hot air or gateway pundit will attract nearly immediate commentary. That doesn't make a conspiracy. Then again, considering those sites are pretty much the only thing keeping left leaning news organizations alive these days by hits. I'd figure you'd be happy that we're out there and reading this stuff.
They're out to pillage your pocketbook that's why. How else can they justify selling an ebook at the same price as a paperback.
Out of aluminum? Maybe from Lian Li, but the price has gone up and I think their cheapest cases are going for around $70-80/pop these days for their decent mid-tower cases and you don't have to worry about sharp edges or anything. A bunch of their stuff is on clearance right now now too, so you can get some pretty good discounts. Otherwise cooler master if you don't mind steel cases, they round out all the edges and nothing is sharp. Even on their cheapest cases.
You jest, but for a lot of people, data is a lot cheaper than voice minutes.
Where is this mystical plan in Canada? Last I looked, and that was recently it didn't matter what plan it was. At all levels the screw over level was so high, that you were getting so badly fucked that you might as well go looking for a pay phone(we still have those in Canada).
Useful and very nice.
Must be nice. My ISP's DSL side is on IPv6, their cable side isn't because the company that they buy their headend connection through(rogers) still hasn't finished upgrading everything. My modem is good to go, and has been for over three years.
You mean tractor trailers? Those things cause as much wear and tear as 7,000 passenger cars, but you can bet your ass they don't pay 7,000 times as much per mile in fuel taxes. Even at 2 MPG a truck would have to pay about $175 PER GALLON in fuel taxes if they were to shoulder their share of the repair costs.
Oh, well see trucks don't pay just on fuel taxes, that's just one very small area. They also have to pay tax on tires, then they also have to pay the haul and freight coverage as marked in their log book(which is why it's a serious crime if it's not kept upto date)--including how many axles you were using at the time. Then in some states you're also paying transit taxes on your oil changes. And you also get dinged in several other areas. Then there's M&F taxes, and transit taxes for your CVOR, and some more for other permits.
They pay their fare share. It's only the ignorant who've never worked a blue collar job in their life that think otherwise.
The US has a long history of 'voluntary' destruction of scapegoat media which...
You're being rather unfair to the US, just about every country in the world has a destruction or demonizing of some type of scapegoat.
There would be so much to change that the cost would prevent it - just think of how many road signs there are for example.
We went though this in Canada decades ago, it wasn't the cost of the road signs that was a real problem though(some stayed the same--others were simply changed over as the signs degraded), and it wasn't really that which pissed most people off. It was the change over to metric, then after the adjustment that people were getting less and paying more. Roughly around 20-35% more in well everything, enjoy that full-on quality screw over guys.
Odd, he answered your question. But you returned with a snide reply, it seems that the only person with their panties in a twist is yourself. He makes a good point, between the two you can tell which of either does good work with the money they receive.
Hey now, I'd call it closer to a flaming brown paper bag day, filled with dog crap.
This restores a tiny bit of my faith in humanity.
Truth be told, even though Bieber is from Canada. He's the spawn of a pair of mutant beavers, it happens sometimes. This is why there's a concerted effort in Canada to destroy beaver dams and lodges in the early stages. To make sure that this plague never reaches the rest of humanity. Someone obviously dropped the ball on this one.
Gas heat is at least 300% cheaper than electricty.
Unless you're already using the lighting for a particular purpose. Than that "waste heat" is already going towards the heating, which is the parents point, and mine. In Canada this is the case as well. CFL's are nice and all, but regular incandescents help with general heating costs here in the winter when you're already in a room doing something.
Guns are designed for no other purpose than to kill or maim. Easy availability allows for more and deadlier crimes, so their use should be restricted. However, Apple devices are the targets of crime owing to their desirability.
Knives are designed for no other purpose than to kill or maim. Easily availability allows for more and deadlier crimes, so their use should be restricted. Anything is a target of desirability, including money.
In fact, the doctors over in the UK just called for a knife ban. You're just a stinking fool.
Many of the articles show the data.
BS. Missed that? Bullshit. In Canada most climate data is based on extrapolations on 30-35 year windows because there is no other data, because it doesn't exist. Any other data that existed was based on sites that weren't even close, or were from 400+KM away. Most of our weather network didn't even exist until 1977, and only cities, military bases and outposts did weather recording. Or landlocked ships.
I sure did. I also remember the "competition" being killed in the last decade by incumbents crushing them out of the marketplace. It doesn't matter that it's one of the most powerful technology companies or not, especially if they're locked in with peerage agreements and continue to do their best to push them out.
Competition will solve this problem
At one time there was competition in the US, not anymore. The US is where Canada was back in 99 through 2008. Back oh 10-12 years ago, I was in total awe of the US broadband speeds(I live in Canada) compared to what my parents could get in Florida, or my best friend was getting in Indianapolis/Franklin(15/1@$33/mo with no cap on cable). Jump a head 9 years when I'm at a state where I can winter travel and work, to avoid to cold and what can I get in Florida at my winter place? 6/1 cable @$55/mo, no DSL service options there, no FIOS options there. Right now I'm getting 25/1@$42/mo with a 300GB cap in Canada.
When the rules changed about letting other ISPs rent out from the head-ends and DSLAMs, the competition went away. The prices skyrocketed, and the QoS fell through the floor.
Now don't pretend like I said it was a legal contract or the law or anything, but the social contract is to exchange content for ad views. And it's the consumers pulling a "I have altered the deal. Pray that I do not alter it further" moment.
The social contract exists as long as: There is a service being exchanged for an equal service. And there is nothing disreputable going on. You and I both know that the chances of picking up malware from an ad. Are as good as picking up a antibiotic resistant MSRA in a hospital by having an open wound and rubbing along the floor. And that's because advertisers don't screen them, or they believe that the turnover from getting more money is worth angering people even at the loss of viewship from those sites. After all, it won't be the "advertisers" fault, it will the sites fault.
Adblock is so effective that advertisers want it outlawed.
I always liked this one, I mean it. I really like it, it means that the people are speaking loudly enough that they find their methods irresponsible. If advertisers weren't acting like flashers in front of 10 year old's, who had a side-job as peeping toms after 9pm, they'd probably wouldn't be having this problem with people installing adblockers.