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Bloomberg: Steve Jobs Behind NYC Crime Wave

theodp writes "Rudy Giuliani had John Gotti to worry about; Mike Bloomberg has Steve Jobs. Despite all-time lows for the city in homicides and shootings, NYC Mayor Michael Bloomberg said overall crime in New York City was up 3.3% in 2012 due to iPhone, iPad and other Apple device thefts, which have increased by 3,890 this year. 'If you just took away the jump in Apple, we'd be down for the year,' explained Marc La Vorgna, the mayor's press secretary. 'The proliferation of people carrying expensive devices around is so great,' La Vorgna added. 'It's something that's never had to be dealt with before.' Bloomberg also took to the radio, urging New Yorkers who didn't want to become a crime statistic to keep their iDevices in an interior, hard-to-reach pocket: 'Put it in a pocket in sort of a more body-fitting, tighter clothes, that you can feel if it was — if somebody put their hand in your pocket, not just an outside coat pocket.' But it seems the best way to fight the iCrime Wave might be to slash the $699 price of an iPhone (unactivated), which costs an estimated $207 to make. The U.S. phone subsidy model reportedly adds $400+ to the price of an iPhone. So, is offering unlocked alternatives at much more reasonable prices than an iPhone — like the $299 Nexus 4, for starters — the real key to taking a bite out of cellphone crime? After all, didn't dramatic price cuts pretty much kill car stereo theft?"

311 comments

  1. The real issue by cunniff · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's not the *cost* of the iPhone. It's the *black market resale value* that drives theft.

    It's uncomfortable allowing a third party to be able to permanently brick your phone or other device, but if that were a commonly-used option, the resale value would quickly drop down close to zero.

    As always - back up your data, and don't store important personal information on your easily-stolen device...

    1. Re:The real issue by BradleyUffner · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's not the *cost* of the iPhone. It's the *black market resale value* that drives theft.

      It's uncomfortable allowing a third party to be able to permanently brick your phone or other device, but if that were a commonly-used option, the resale value would quickly drop down close to zero.

      As always - back up your data, and don't store important personal information on your easily-stolen device...

      The cost of the iPhone is what drives the black market price up to begin with. If the price from a retailer wasn't so high the amount of money paid for stolen phones wouldn't be nearly as high either (except during shortages) and the incentive to steal them would go down as well.

    2. Re:The real issue by Jartan · · Score: 1

      The black market value is heavily influenced by the actual retail price.

    3. Re:The real issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder if the bigger issue is that people are getting to be bigger and bigger jerks. I wonder if this a statistical study of every type of theft, ethics, and other rude behavior would show the population is just getting more cold hearted in general - the poor are just more obvious about it through direct theft because it is more accepted in their peer group. Other society groups are just more subtle in their bad behavior, or at least less news-worthy.

    4. Re:The real issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its "living in a shithole" that drives theft. The people of NYC would want to get their act together.

    5. Re:The real issue by icebike · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Agreed.
      Now that the major carriers have all agreed to kill phones that are reported stolen (like most European carriers) , the in-country black market value should drop to zero.
      There is still the export option for stolen phones.

      But to a certain extent the price of the phone sets the black market value as well. And that price is just too high.

      And further, I have my doubts about the claim at the bottom of the summary:
        The U.S. phone subsidy model reportedly adds $400+ to the price of an iPhone.

      According to Apple's own web page the cost of an unlocked an contract free iphone5 (cheapest model) is $649. ($849 for the one with the big GBs).

      So how does the subsidy enter into that equation?

      It shouldn't unless Apple is propping up the price to support Carrier subsidy plans.

      But why would Apple do that? The carriers make every cent of that subsidy back and never reduce the price of your monthly bill. Apple could sell at 100% markup and still beat carrier pricing. Instead Apple sells at well over 200% markup even when you buy direct with cash up front. No other manufacturer rakes in that much cash.

      T-Mobile is ending subsidization of phones. (You can still buy it on time, but its a separate contract that has an end date).

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    6. Re:The real issue by Roblimo · · Score: 2

      Whatever. Somehow I doubt that the black market resale value of the HTC Android phone I bought from Virgin for $149 is anywhere near the black market resale value of an iPhone.

    7. Re:The real issue by clarkkent09 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The cause of theft: people carry items worth stealing!
      The cause of rape: ?

      Please follow the same logic and see how idiotic it is.

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    8. Re:The real issue by Macrat · · Score: 1

      The cost of the iPhone is what drives the black market price up to begin with. If the price from a retailer wasn't so high the amount of money paid for stolen phones wouldn't be nearly as high either (except during shortages) and the incentive to steal them would go down as well.

      Does that imply the $699 unlocked price of the Samsung SIII isn't a high amount since thieves mostly target the iPhone?

    9. Re:The real issue by Roblimo · · Score: 5, Funny

      In fact, for the cost of an unlocked iPhone I could buy an HTC Android phone and a .22 pistol and get a Florida CCW and still have enough money for a whole lot of whiskey to drink at home so I don't have to go out and expose my precious smarty phone to criminals in the first place.

      Yeah!

    10. Re:The real issue by garaged · · Score: 1

      Imtend to think that this is more related to poorness, which leads to less education, more frustation.....

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    11. Re:The real issue by DarkTempes · · Score: 5, Funny

      I hope you step on a lego.

    12. Re:The real issue by icebike · · Score: 1

      Lets blame the victim, eh Mr Mayor?

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    13. Re:The real issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Makes sense to me. There are things you can do to minimize the risk of any activity, whether it's `using an expensive phone` or `going outside`. It's like no-one is saying `there are no go areas for black (or white, for that matter) people - you just shouldn't go there` but it's common sense to avoid badly policed areas populated with a lot of people with differing skin colour where there's history of crimes predominantly against people of differing skin colour.

    14. Re:The real issue by antdude · · Score: 1

      And add security and encryption!

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    15. Re:The real issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Does that imply the $699 unlocked price of the Samsung SIII isn't a high amount since thieves mostly target the iPhone?

      I hope not. The variable being ignored is brand recognition. You're going to have an easier time and probably ultimately make more money off of selling Toyota Corollas on the black market than you are PT Cruisers, simply because more people in the area tend to buy Corollas than PT Cruisers. In the US, it's fairly safe to assume that the iPhone has the brand recognition over the SIII, so it's a safer bet to sell iPhones on the black market than SIIIs. That seems to be a shrinking gap between the two, but it is still there in the US.

      BradleyUffner is partially right, though, in that there's not going to be as much demand to pay $400 on the black market what you can buy for similar or less legally. There'll still be some black market present probably, no matter the cost you lower it to, but the lower the price, the less attractive the black market alternative is going to be. Also, at a certain point, when its easier to get it legally and price is no longer an issue, there's probably going to be less people interested in the alternative deal that the black market will present to them.

    16. Re:The real issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's uncomfortable allowing a third party to be able to permanently brick your phone or other device, but if that were a commonly-used option, the resale value would quickly drop down close to zero.

      There is a list of phone IDs which phone companies should reject. It works for all mobile phones (not just smartphones). The idea is that phones shouldn't be interesting to steal if they can't connect to make phonecalls.

      Something is flawed in this plan though as we can see phones are still being stolen. Don't ask me what is wrong with it though. The few (3?) countries allowing usage of stolen phones are just part of the explanation.

    17. Re:The real issue by Ironhandx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The thing protecting the S3 is obscurity. Its harder to identify amongst a host of other cheaper products, On the other hand if they steal an apple phone they know the price is high and that theres a resale market for it and its ridiculously easy to identify.

    18. Re:The real issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      Wrong. Rape is not caused by economic forces. But theft is (so are drug murders, auto theft, bank robberies, etc.). The black market is still a market and the laws of economics apply. At some point the benefit for stealing an iPhone is greater than the risk of going to jail. But the benefit for stealing X-crapphone is not. The only way to prevent the iPhone/iPad/iWhatever from getting to the black market is to make the cost to get it there (the risk of stealing it and/or having it be bricked) be higher than the price on the open market. Several things can elevate this risk, such as educating people about theft (like Bloomberg has done), increased enforcement, remote bricking, and increased penalties.

    19. Re:The real issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Where do you get this "Apple sells at well over 200%" markup idea from?

    20. Re:The real issue by BasilBrush · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Plus the majority of smartphones in America are iPhones and the majority of tablets are iPads. Even if thieves were blind, and stealing randomly, they'd steal more iDevices than all the other brands added together.

    21. Re:The real issue by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      I'm not so sure that the lack of material wealth necessarily makes you unhappy. What makes people unhappy is either not being able to actually take care of yourself or your family, or it is a belief that you won't be happy without what someone else has.

      To be honest, I have two iPhones. One I bought for myself, and one that actually belongs to my work place. They're nice and all, but I could totally see my life without one. In fact, I could have cared less if I even owned a cellphone before my work place in the past insisted that I get one. So now, if I have to have one, I'm going to have a good one, but at the same time, I don't think that the lack of an iPhone would make me unhappy on it's own.

      Most times, I think the problem with poverty comes from either your worth being derived from material belongings, or the fact that you are not allowed to support yourself in a way that makes you feel like you have value. I've met janitors who are not unhappy, and I have met more than one upper middle class IT worker who hates their life while having just about every gadget you can think of, as well as a nice house, and a pretty nice car. Of course, being poor is more than just a state of mind, but I am not certain that it actually deprives you of any opportunity for happiness unless you are truly starving.

    22. Re:The real issue by Sir_Sri · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Although one has to wonder how big the market for iPhones really is. It's not the like the vast majority of consumers aren't stuck paying one of the big carriers for a monthly sub anyway, and for them how much cheaper is a stolen iPhone than the carrier price anyway?

      But then with phones it's a little easier. The EU has been working on this, stolen phones should be blacklisted from carriers. If you can't resell them, what is the point of stealing them? There is still the overseas market but it eliminates a lot of the casual disorganized piracy, and the EU and US databases should be able to talk to each other.

    23. Re:The real issue by icebike · · Score: 0

      The purported manufacture price is estimated at $207. See link in summary.
      Apple sells from their website with zero subsidy for &649.

      100% markup over cost would be $414.
      200% markup over cost would be $621.

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    24. Re:The real issue by Sir_Sri · · Score: 2

      Followup

      http://www.rcrwireless.com/article/20120412/devices/att-verizon-sprint-and-t-mobile-usa-agree-to-block-stolen-phones/

    25. Re:The real issue by tnk1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think that Apple charges that price not to support subsidies, but rather, because they know they can charge what they want and subsidies will make it affordable for end users. It's like health care or education. If the government makes it so you can get grants or low interest loans, then that means you can make your undergrad programs 25-30K a year, and most people will still be able to pay it. Apple counts on the cell phone companies for spreading the very high cost out so that it doesn't look like it is as much as it is.

      Of course, there is certainly a level of symbiosis involved, but I think Apple looked at existing situations with subsidies and saw a pricing scheme that would allow them to break into a market with their high markup items and have it not sting as much for the end user. Apple can not, and to their credit, will not compete in situations where there they will be unable to secure a high unit price for their product. The wireless market was a slam dunk for them, in that regard.

    26. Re:The real issue by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The cause of theft: people carry items worth stealing! The cause of rape: ?

      Please follow the same logic and see how idiotic it is.

      Let's take your logic the other way:

      The cause of being kidnapped and executed in drug-lord-controlled areas of foreign countries: visiting drug-lord-controlled areas of foreign countries

      Well you're right: it's not the cause, but a contributory factor. I would appreciate being told where these drug-lord-controlled (or guerilla-rebel-held) areas are so that I can avoid them. And if I have to pass through them, I would appreciate advice about how not to get kidnapped for ransom.

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    27. Re:The real issue by sribe · · Score: 2

      Instead Apple sells at well over 200% markup even when you buy direct with cash up front.

      Which of course explains why they "only" get 45% margins on iPhones. Oh, wait, no it doesn't ;-)

    28. Re:The real issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK, I just had to verify that someone with such a low UID could be so woefully ignorant. Thanks for clearing that up.

      I'm going to back away slowly and leave you to your misconceptions.

    29. Re:The real issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not so sure that the lack of material wealth necessarily makes you unhappy. What makes people unhappy is either not being able to actually take care of yourself or your family, or it is a belief that you won't be happy without what someone else has.

      No, what makes me unhappy is to realize how fat and stupid the average person is. Then to see the kind of politicians these fat stuipd morons elect, and the kind of music and TV shows that get popular because they appeal to their 8th-grade emotional level, and the way even the news has to change scenes every 10-15 seconds to appeal to their ADD/ADHD-infested untrained and undisciplined minds.

      If somebody else has more money and more stuff than me, cool, more power to them, hope they enjoy it. Material wealth has next to nothing to do with it.

    30. Re:The real issue by bbelt16ag · · Score: 1

      yeah well this is why i dont let people touch the phone that i dont freaking know. had a person today want to borrow my phone and i was like nope you ain't touching my smart phone full of my info and calling your crack dealer dumb ass. no stealing it either idiot i cant run that fast but i wasnt born yesterday...

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    31. Re:The real issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When is the last time you have been to "Harlem"? 125th Street? Maybe you are watching too many movies?

    32. Re:The real issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While much of Harlem is white, the crime statistics for the U.S. don't paint a good picture for blacks. Economic statistics also don't support the notion that poverty is the root cause.

    33. Re:The real issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The purported manufacture price

      Yeah, get back to us when you get the ACTUAL manufacture price. Not the price that people GUESS it costs.

    34. Re:The real issue by ShakaUVM · · Score: 1

      >So how does the subsidy enter into that equation?

      A lot more people will pay $200 for a new phone than $600, even though they end up paying much more in higher monthly bills to Verizon or whatever.

      I stick with Verizon because I travel so much on business and they have the best coverage, not because of their extortionate monthly fees and data caps.

    35. Re:The real issue by rohan972 · · Score: 1

      They don't need to do anything to your phone, in Australia the networks won't connect phones reported stolen. The phone itself isn't tampered with in any way AFAIK, so if your phone got reported by accident you wouldn't lose your data.

    36. Re:The real issue by benjfowler · · Score: 1

      Being poor has little to do with actual lack of money; and is much more to do with mental illness (which has a genetic component), bad upbringing and bad attitudes inherited from family and friends; drug abuse; low expections; and bad culture (e.g. anything "gangsta", and the modern tendancy to strip away people's linguistic and cultural identity and replace it with corporate mass-market shit).

    37. Re:The real issue by inputdev · · Score: 1

      It's also about convenience - check out these "cash for your used iPhone devices" http://www.ecoatm.com/ here's the search on their page for close to New York: http://www.ecoatm.com/find-a-location.html?location=New+York%2C+New+York&x=43&y=17 They may as well have their animated robot look like the hamburgler...

    38. Re:The REAL issue by alcmena · · Score: 1

      Totally right. We would have been better off without those damn dirty immigrants. People like Albert Einstein, Sergey Brin, and Andrew Grove polluted our country with their crazy scientific and business ideas. Surely we would be better off if we completely closed our borders and our minds such that outsiders could never corrupt our great country...

    39. Re:The real issue by SternisheFan · · Score: 1
      Or you end up getting middle of the night calls from whoever they called, asking,

      "(pause)... Yeah, lemme' speak to" John/Mary

      "There's no one here by that name."

      "But they called me from this number!"

      "What? That was three days ago! I lent my phone to someone for 2 minutes."

      "Why you so mad, an all? I just want to know if" John/Mary's there.

      "Look, there's no one here by that name, I was sleeping, you woke me up, and I gotta' work in the morning."

      "Click!"

    40. Re:The real issue by jc42 · · Score: 0

      The cause of theft: people carry items worth stealing! The cause of rape: ? Please follow the same logic and see how idiotic it is.

      Lessee; if we use the logic we've read here, we'd conclude that the way for a woman to avoid rape is to be cheap.

      That's what you meant, right? ;-)

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    41. Re:The REAL issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All three of your examples are white, idiot.

    42. Re:The real issue by MouseTheLuckyDog · · Score: 0

      Uhm. I found the solution to that is to call the person three days later in the early morning ( since that is most likely when they sleep ), "let me talk to the idiot who called John/Mary at whatever time, woke me up which caused me to be late for work, which caused me to get fired.".

    43. Re:The real issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They should post the data base of all the Apple fanboys, their addresses and what apple products they own.

      that would stop the crime.

    44. Re:The real issue by PCM2 · · Score: 2

      While much of Harlem is white, the crime statistics for the U.S. don't paint a good picture for blacks.

      What do you mean by "crime statistics"? Perhaps you mean arrest statistics? Or incarceration statistics? Because such statistics don't necessarily indicate that blacks commit more crimes, only that we tend to arrest them and lock them up more often.

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    45. Re:The real issue by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Which is what others said... black market resale value.

    46. Re:The real issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      The variable being ignored is brand recognition.

      If thieves can tell them apart how come Apple's lawyers think there is brand confusion?

    47. Re:The real issue by Sulphur · · Score: 1

      Its "living in a shithole" that drives theft. The people of NYC would want to get their act together.

      But its a crapulous one.

    48. Re:The real issue by garaged · · Score: 1

      When you cannot afford to feed what your kids like to eat most likely you will be kind of sad.

      You pretty much believe on sionist ideas, and Im not going to argue against that, but you really dont know much about real poorness

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    49. Re:The real issue by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      That's really strange. I happen to live in a rather bigoted all-white area. Few blacks live here. Those blacks who live here are mostly found in the city. Yet, our crime rate is consistent with the rest of the state. Our state's statistics are consistent with national averages. We have our horrifying murders, we have rapes, we have child molestation cases, auto thefts, drug labs.

      If you and people like you had any idea what you're talking about, then my neighborhood should be virtually crime free, yet the county courthouse stays busy all the time. Statistically, the courthouse has to many cases against black defendants, but there is no shortage whatsoever of white defendants. All four of our most gruesome and senseless murders in the past decade were committed by white guys. The two current (unrelated) pointless murders being prosecuted were committed by an Hispanic guy, and a white female. The most newsworthy, recent attempted murder was committed by a white deputy sheriff.

      You should drop the hate, dude. It costs you more than you'll can possibly realize.

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    50. Re:The real issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a new iphone come out at most once a year. the newest fastest bestest android comes out every 3 months, even if it is from different manufacturers.

    51. Re:The real issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2012-09-20/business/35494758_1_new-iphone-earpods-lte-networks
      http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2395035,00.asp
      http://techcrunch.com/2012/09/25/ihs-iphone-5-costs-between-207-and-238-to-make-depending-on-storage/
      http://venturebeat.com/2012/09/14/iphone-5-costs-168-to-make/

      It's not hard to find..
      https://www.google.com/search?q=cost+to+make+iphone

      If I can buy cheap as hdmi cables from multiple vendors shipped to my front door for $1.50, it can not cost much more to get an iPhone to my house or to a retailer so please do not think distribution and shipping costs is more than a few $$ per phone.

    52. Re:The real issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the companies could pay people to go steel your device and you'll buy a new one.
      Or the company could randomly disable people's phone, tell them it's their fault, and you'll buy a new one.
      Or the company could say that old phone now presents a security risk because it's no longer official supported and disable all of those phones. You'll be forced to buy a more expensive one. (most likely thing to happen)
      Or some hackers figure out a way to disable everyone's phones. You'll buy a new one.
      Or you'll just wait 2 years a buy a new one.
      I guess the point of this post is that you're going to be buying a new phone no matter if it gets stolen or not. Better for you if the price drops. ~400 profit on a 200 device is a massive profit.

    53. Re:The real issue by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

      Please follow the same logic and see how idiotic it is.

      Your logic is idiotic because we treat crimes against people differently than we treat crimes against property.

      Otherwise, using your logic, we'd add a hate crime enhancement for stealing a black iphone because that's just like raping a black woman.

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    54. Re:The real issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but don't you think the iPhone goes better with the .22? You gotta match your accessories.

    55. Re:The real issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Lets blame the victim, eh Mr Mayor?

      If you're going to wear a thong and bikini top and hang out in a biker bar, you're going to have a Bad Time. If you have a wheelbarrow full of cash and want to push it down a dark alley in a crime-ridden part of town, you're going to have a Bad Time.

      Call it blaming the victim if you want, most people call it common sense. Ignore at your own risk.

    56. Re:The real issue by SuperQ · · Score: 1

      Yup. the same thing happens in many markets. I had the bike seat stolen off my bike because it said "Brooks" on it. Nevermind that it was the cheapest low-end ($60) model. My girlfriend's bike was locked on the same rack and her saddle was't stolen. She has a nice $150 selle italia saddle, but it looks like every other black bike saddle out there.

    57. Re:The real issue by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      Does that imply the $699 unlocked price of the Samsung SIII isn't a high amount since thieves mostly target the iPhone?

      No, it implies the 'writer' is a hipster who doesn't believe in the existence of anything other than Apple products.

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    58. Re:The real issue by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      Yep. If people spent as much on improving their situation as they do in heir weaves and cosmetic surgery a lot of them would no longer be 'poor'.

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    59. Re:The real issue by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      'hair weaves'

      Why doesn't slashdot have an 'edit' function?

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    60. Re:The real issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Posting anonymously for obvious reasons.

      You're right, there are problems with using those particular statistics. However...
      If you interview victims or witnesses in cases where there was no arrest you will see the same trend.
      If you interview people and have them recount their own history of criminal activity, you will see the same trend.
      etc.
      (This is for the US only, I don't know what the numbers look like anywhere else. In particular it might not apply to the UK. Also, I'm not the same AC as the one you were applying to... I just happen to know he's right about crime statistics in the US.)

    61. Re:The real issue by marcello_dl · · Score: 1

      True, but still the conclusions of the article are wrong. If A is to blame, then removing A is the solution. Imagine two thieves:

      - "Look at the newspaper, they banned iPhones and iPads!!!"
      - "Damn, we can't steal anymore!!! Well, I'm gonna become a truck driver."

      If it's not iPhones, it's the next profitable thing.

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    62. Re:The REAL issue by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Well, hello there, Anders! Why don't you log in before posting next time?

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    63. Re:The real issue by disambiguated · · Score: 1

      Those numbers aren't that hard to get, and they are pretty good estimates, not "guesses".

      But you don't even need to know the manufacture price or markup to know Apple is making a fucking blizzard of cash on these devices.

      Here are the first two paragraphs from Apple's own press release regarding their most recent quarterly results. Pretty much speaks for itself:

      CUPERTINO, California—October 25, 2012—Apple today announced financial results for its fiscal 2012 fourth quarter ended September 29, 2012. The Company posted quarterly revenue of $36.0 billion and quarterly net profit of $8.2 billion, or $8.67 per diluted share. These results compare to revenue of $28.3 billion and net profit of $6.6 billion, or $7.05 per diluted share, in the year-ago quarter. Gross margin was 40.0 percent compared to 40.3 percent in the year-ago quarter. International sales accounted for 60 percent of the quarter’s revenue.

      The Company sold 26.9 million iPhones in the quarter, representing 58 percent unit growth over the year-ago quarter. Apple sold 14.0 million iPads during the quarter, a 26 percent unit increase over the year-ago quarter. The Company sold 4.9 million Macs during the quarter, a 1 percent unit increase over the year-ago quarter. Apple sold 5.3 million iPods, a 19 percent unit decline from the year-ago quarter.

    64. Re:The real issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, that's what happened to car stereos. When you rip one out, it won't work unless unlocked by a dealer. It also has the VIN of the car it came from in it's memory.

      The phones already have serial numbers.
      The phones already call home.
      Phones are already turned off remotely for things like non-payment or copyright violation.

      Other countries have had this service for years. The screen shows things like LOST - Please return to nearest Apple store.

      We could even offer a reward - return for $20.

      According to the government, they have the responsibility to spy on citizens but not any responsibility to help recover stolen property.

      Tell me again what taxes are for?

      As for value, Rolexes and other jewelry is common in New York. I don't care about jewelery but much of it sells for more than an iPhone and is harder to trace.

    65. Re:The real issue by benjfowler · · Score: 1

      Now _absolute_ poverty has been abolished in the West for quite a while now, and exposed what poverty actually is.

      That said, we do have powerful right-wing extremists who are trying to grind half the population into the dirt; so I don't rule out absolute poverty making a big comeback, especially in Greece and the good ol' US of A.

    66. Re:The real issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can blame both parties, one party for being guilty and the other party of being imprudent. However, not even prudence can protect you from all accidents and crime, in which case you can only blame the criminal.

    67. Re:The real issue by rmdingler · · Score: 1

      Ah yes, brand recognition....for there is little point in paying a large premium to own what is perceived as the "Cadillac"-version unless others covet it. Our urban youth still kill each other over high end basketball shoes. (Google jordan^shoes^robbery) There are folks who steal. Basically anything of value that one can carry around shall be targeted. But in addition to brand recognition, factor in that popular items are as ubiquitous as deer in the King's Forest.

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    68. Re:The real issue by Ironhandx · · Score: 1

      Don't know how this got to +5 insightful... Random thefts would snatch an Android device much more often than iPhones.... iPhones are just easily identified as having high value. Android has been outselling by a lot for over 18 months in an expanding market. Certain cities full of hipsters this would be true but not for most of the US.

      iPads I believe would be more common, but not by a large margin.

    69. Re:The real issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The reality distortion field is only slowly fading away.

    70. Re:The real issue by canadian_right · · Score: 1

      the price for iphones is not too high. You can tell it isn't too high because people are BUYING them.

      As a socialist Canadian, I seem to still better understand that a free market is still an important part of a healthy market. In a free market it is good to set your prices as high as the market will bear, especially for a luxury device. An iphone is not a life saving drug treatment. There is no ethical problem setting it's price high.

      Those crazy phone subsidies (low or zero dollar plans with higher monthly payments to pay for the phone) exist because so many people can't do math, and can't save money.

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    71. Re:The real issue by PlusFiveTroll · · Score: 1

      http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20203888/ns/us_news-life/t/study-murder-victims-disproportionately-black/

      Unfortunately your information is anecdotal. If you live in a mostly white area, it should be no surprise that the crimes are caused by mostly white people. The base murder rate is much higher for blacks then it is whites. It is mostly thought that the reasons for that are socioeconomic, but there is some debate on that

      http://www.tnr.com/article/80316/relationship-poverty-crime-rates-economic-conditions

    72. Re:The real issue by PlusFiveTroll · · Score: 1

      That does raise a question... "Do countries with available and affordable prostitution have lower incidents of rape?".

      Research suggests it would lower some incidences of rape http://www.independent.org/publications/working_papers/article.asp?id=1300 , but I don't see any other information about it.

      So in theory, your statement would be correct.

    73. Re:The real issue by babywhiz · · Score: 1
    74. Re:The real issue by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      If thieves can tell them apart how come Apple's lawyers think there is brand confusion?

      Because Samsung lawyers couldn't tell them apart? Which shows that Samsung's lawyers were even more stupid than thieves? (To be serious; some Samsung lawyers couldn't keep an iPad and a Samsung tablet apart, and that is in my opinion a very, very serious lack of preparation by the lawyer which should never, ever happened).

    75. Re:The real issue by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      The purported manufacture price is estimated at $207. See link in summary.

      The cost of manufacturing is loss than the cost of sale. Cost of sale includes many other things, for example warranty repairs, breakages, theft, cost of processing payment, and so on. If Apple sold that iPhone at $207, they would go bankrupt quite soon.

      The difference between revenue and cost of sales is called gross profit. Gross profit however only takes into account that cost of selling one phone, it doesn't take into account cost that is incurred whether you buy a phone or not, like development, marketing, sales and so on.

      In other words, anyone comparing manufacturing price and retail price is a clueless moron.

    76. Re:The real issue by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2

      Bloomberg is imagining things.

      I dropped my Windows 8 smartphone on the busy sidewalk by accident three days ago and it was still there this morning. Whew!

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    77. Re:The real issue by BasilBrush · · Score: 2

      Don't know how this got to +5 insightful...

      Because I'm right. For example, current US market share is 53.3% for iPhone. Android share is only 41.9%

      http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57560421-37/iphone-snags-its-highest-u.s-market-share-ever-says-report/

    78. Re:The real issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spot on deduction. Take a look at the iphone 5 page on the usa web site. They show the lower price with a 2yr contract. Take a look at the same page but in uk or canada and the iPhone is the full, unsubsidized price. It is mind games being played with americans.

    79. Re:The real issue by xhawkx · · Score: 1

      OH come on Bloomers, not a ban on my cell phone, too. No, firearms ,no big Slurpee, no cigs, no on this and no on that and now your blaming a dead dude for all of NY's crime, pretty soon you will be banning or putting a tariff on the air we breathe. The last time someone like this A-Hole Monarch was strutting his stuff, there was a British accent in the background and the citizens were shouting out very loudly "The British are coming, The British are coming" and the smell of tea scented the air.

    80. Re:The real issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While much of Harlem is white, the crime statistics for the U.S. don't paint a good picture for blacks.

      What do you mean by "crime statistics"? Perhaps you mean arrest statistics? Or incarceration statistics? Because such statistics don't necessarily indicate that blacks commit more crimes, only that we tend to arrest them and lock them up more often.

      There are two ways, though, that blacks are being arrested more while committing fewer crimes:

      1. The legal system is explicitly racist and arresting / putting them in prison more often.

      2. White criminals are significantly more competent at avoiding prison than black criminals.

      Given that the police forces have plenty of blacks, and the high crime / high poverty urban areas often have significant numbers of blacks in government, #1 is pretty hard to maintain.

      Which brings us to #2; I think you'd be giving white criminals way too much credit if you believed that.

      You might argue, and I'd agree, that the victimless crimes many blacks are committing are due to bullshit laws, but they're definitely committing them. And even if much of what they do is victimless, they nevertheless commit a large number of real crimes, like theft and assault, often against their neighbors.

      The reality for many law-abiding blacks is that they are prisoners of their predatory neighbors. You may feel uncomfortable talking about it in racial terms, but if you've never had to hide your kids in a bathtub to protect them from bullets flying, you really don't know what "uncomfortable" means.

    81. Re:The real issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try mortality statistics, those are kind of hard to bias.

      Black men die to homicides at a much higher rate than any other demographic.
      Obviously the color of their skin isn't the problem though.

    82. Re:The real issue by PCM2 · · Score: 1

      There are two ways, though, that blacks are being arrested more while committing fewer crimes:

      1. The legal system is explicitly racist and arresting / putting them in prison more often.

      2. White criminals are significantly more competent at avoiding prison than black criminals.

      How about:

      3. It is easier for whites to get high-paying jobs in the US than for blacks to get the same jobs (for various reasons, not all having to do with racism), and therefore whites are more likely to have a higher economic status than blacks, and therefore they can afford better lawyers and therefore are far less likely to go to prison than blacks.

      Actually, I think there is a lot more going on here than your two suggested reasons.

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    83. Re:The real issue by Ironhandx · · Score: 1

      I'll wait for verifications on that... I know 3 of my local bell dealers are reporting lackluster iPhone 5 sales at the moment due to the myriad issues with the phone, but that could just be here.

      For the market to swap that drastically since the last report I saw in july... with Samsung reporting higher sales numbers than Apple on its own... I can't really believe that until I see other confirmation. This reeks of paid research to try to boost slightly flagging share prices.

      AAPL has seen a significant drop over the last ~3 months, it remains to be seen if thats due to a lack of shareholder confidence in its new management due to recent production issues or if its just because the stock is way overpriced(it is, by a lot, if I had to peg a number I'd say by a minimum of around 20% still based on gross revenues and profits).

      I could be totally wrong, but every single indicator I've seen for the last 12+ months points in the opposite direction of this happening.

    84. Re:The real issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      check your stats.iPhones are not that common.

    85. Re:The real issue by hazydave · · Score: 1

      ALL on-contract phones -- even the dumb ones -- have a completely fabricated MSRP. Those cheap-ass Nokia-style candybar dumb phones can be made for about $25-$30 today, complete... but the MSRP is usually around $150. A generous MSRP in a competitive market would be $50-$60.

      The iPhone is a pretty clear example, given how similar it's been over the course of its evolution to the iPod Touch. At any given technology node, the iPhone has maybe an upgraded processor or screen (we don't know what Apple pays for a processor, but the nVidia Tegra 3 reportedly runs around $15-$20 in volume, so this is probably a $5 actual difference), often actually less Flash, and of course, a cellular modem. That's less than $100 difference at retail, and yet, the iPhone usually runs 2x-3x the price of the iPod Touch.

      This isn't Apple setting the price per se -- Apple doesn't really control the pricing of their phones anymore than Samsung or Motorola or ... well, anyone but Google right now. That's because Apple's market DEPENDS on selling through the major Telcos, and that means setting a price that will enable their distribution through Telcos. All Telcos are negotiating a volume price for the phones they redistribute based on a discount from the MSRP. They do this, absolutely, to keep the "subsidized price" myth going strong, to keep consumers thinking they're getting a great deal before signing that two-year contract. If the manufacturer cuts the price, the Telcos simply won't offer that model. Apple has no real choice in this, anymore than Samsung or any of the others. Sure, Apple could sell an iPhone at $350 or so, but the price Verizon or AT&T would offer per unit, for millions of devices, would be below cost. No way to make Apple-style profits. And even Apple isn't going to buck that system just yet; particularly in North America, most consumers buy their phones through the Telcos.

      The one company actually bucking the system is Google... and it took them a few generations to get there. The original Nexus One was supposed to change the whole cellular model by going direct, but it didn't -- Google's $575 price was in the same ballpark as Motorola's direct $600 MSRP on the Droid 1, or the price paid in other countries for the iPhone of the day (not sold unbundled in the USA back then). The reason became clear when they started offering the Nexus One through T-Mobile and AT&T. The other issue: those were different models of the same phone, they didn't have a single device that would work even across all GSM carriers, even just in the USA -- the other critical thing you need to sell an unbundled phone.

      But fast forward to modern times, and they did actually make some rational changes. When the Galaxy Nexus went on sale at Verizon, it was $299 + 2-year contract, and had an MSRP around $650. Some months later, Google introduced a direct-sale model, GSM-only, that worked fully on both AT&T and T-Mobile, for $349. That's a fairly reasonable MSRP, at least compared to other smartphone-like device such as the iPod Touch or the various smaller Android tablets. And this continued forward with the Nexus 4, which starts at $299. But it's not available from any carrier -- carriers aren't going to bless the loss of subsidized phones unless it's to their competitive advantage.

      Reportedly, T-Mobile is going this way, but by their choice, as a way to differentiate themselves from Sprint, AT&T, and Verizon... particularly given their current lack of real 4G services. This ought to be good news for Google's phone sale model, and may push others in a similar direction. Unfortunately, given that Verizon and Sprint have locked networks rather than locked phones, no one's going to introduce a combination GSM/CDMA2000 + LTE model, despite the fact that, given modern cellular modem chips, it's quite possible to do.

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    86. Re:The real issue by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      In economical terms Black Markets exist where the price doesn't quite fit with actual supply and demand curves meet.

      So yes the retail price will effect the black market influence. The amount of crime seems to show that these devices are too expensive (In terms of Physical Cost, Cost to freedom, or other methods of cost), for the demand, that people are willing to buy a cheaper product with the extra costs of possible getting caught, as well getting a product where there is no legal consumer protection.

      So solutions available are the following.
      Make the device cheaper (Money, freedom, available plans) In essence trying to balance the supply and demand curve.
      Make the device harder to steal (Software, Hardware, Legal, Education) By making the product less profitable to sell on the black market (causing the black market price to be near or above the legit total price).
      Find a comparable/better solution to the device. You stuff isn't going to get stolen when it isn't wanted so much.

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    87. Re:The real issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure but I think there's an iPhone ap for that.

    88. Re:The real issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lowering the price point just moves the class of thieves lower.
      The real answer is change the value upon theft to zero. In Canada since the manufacturer would not assist, the carriers have.
      They maintain, share and refuse service based upon the list.
      http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/11/08/pol-cell-phone-theft.html

    89. Re:The real issue by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      since the last report I saw in july...

      Which would cover the period just before the iPhone 5 came out. That's why.

    90. Re:The real issue by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      When you've got the Ban Hammer, every problem is a nail...

    91. Re:The real issue by jc42 · · Score: 1

      So in theory, your statement would be correct.

      Damn; it always sorta ruins a joke when someone shows that it's true. ;-)

      Oh, well; I didn't get any "funny" moderation, anyway. I guess it was too subtle for the /. crowd.

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    92. Re:The REAL issue by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      wow. a dumb racist. Whod'a thought?

    93. Re:The real issue by Ironhandx · · Score: 1

      No, thats the one I saw in september. for this to be accurate and not skewed somehow apple would have to have sold more iphones in the last 3 months than it has for the last 12 months.

      Stranger things have happened but....

    94. Re:The real issue by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      It is what it is. If you start only believing the ones that favour Android, what does that make you?

    95. Re:The real issue by Ironhandx · · Score: 1

      I tend to read many then believe whatever has the most support behind it.

      This is the first one I've seen that says there has been this drastic a shift, and the fact that the shift IS so drastic makes it even less believable. When I see more confirming it then I'll believe it. Until then...

    96. Re:The real issue by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      The variable being ignored is brand recognition.

      If thieves can tell them apart how come Apple's lawyers think there is brand confusion?

      They can't, but due to their price it's only a misdemeanor. Grand Theft iPhone vs. Petty Theft Samsung.

      Not to mention that there simply aren't that many Samsung phones in NYC to accidently steal.

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    97. Re:The real issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plus the majority of smartphones in America are iPhones and the majority of tablets are iPads. Even if thieves were blind, and stealing randomly, they'd steal more iDevices than all the other brands added together.

      How does this get modded insightful? http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/technolog/70-percent-us-owned-smartphones-are-iphones-or-androids-121021

      Even in June 2011 iPhones were only 27% of the smartphone market. This is just downright delusional, unfortunately.

  2. Worst headline ever by kthreadd · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Interesting statistics, but seriously Steve Jobs died in 2011. And even if he was still alive he personally would not be responsible or connected to any form of crime wave in New York.

    1. Re:Worst headline ever by doku_hebi_ryu · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's not just the headline. The whole thing is google fanboy trash.

    2. Re:Worst headline ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      How dare you call the Google defenders 'fanboy'. Thats their word for insulting people who chose a certain brand they don't!

    3. Re:Worst headline ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There isn't even an article here. It's just a troll summary with a bunch of unrelated links pimping Android devices. At least if they would have compared the SIII to the iPhone, it would be so blatant. The Nexus 4 has no storage or even LTE... It's right inline with the free phones.

      How the hell does he equate "Crime Is Up and Bloomberg Blames iPhone Thieves" to "Bloomberg: Steve Jobs Behind NYC Crime Wave"? That is libelous, since using the "Bloomberg:" prefix implies that it is a Bloomberg quote, which it isn't.

    4. Re:Worst headline ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      mod this up.

      I've seen better headlines in the national enquirer...

    5. Re:Worst headline ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IANAL, but I am pretty sure you can't libel the dead.

    6. Re:Worst headline ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And Wall St.

    7. Re:Worst headline ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It would libelous towards Bloomberg, because the headline misquotes him.

    8. Re:Worst headline ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      But Steve liked to say great artists steal!

    9. Re:Worst headline ever by CptNerd · · Score: 1

      He got it from Bat Boy...

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    10. Re:Worst headline ever by martin-boundary · · Score: 0

      It's not just the headline. The whole thing is google fanboy trash.

      Actually, it's media cult trash. Steve Jobs was hailed as a visionary for the successes resulting from his company's products, and now he's being blamed for the failures resulting from his company's products.

      In actual fact, Steve Jobs is just a figurehead, a nice story. What did he really do? Sit around an office, make some phone calls, and do meetings and a few presentations. Pretty much what 90% of office workers do around the world.

      You shouldn't believe the hype when he's called a hero, and you shouldn't believe the hype when he's called a villain. It's just media companies using his name to sell pageviews.

    11. Re:Worst headline ever by sycodon · · Score: 1

      Bloomberg is an idiot.

      It doesn't matter what someone steals or why they stole it, it's still theft.

      It's his city and his policies. Fucking buck up and own it.

      What a pussy.

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    12. Re:Worst headline ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't he the guy who sold sugared water in extra large cups that means people cannot afford the retail price of iPhones?

    13. Re:Worst headline ever by Maow · · Score: 0

      It's not just the headline. The whole thing is google fanboy trash.

      The whole thing is submitter theodp being a troll, as usual.

      FTFY.

      (Nothing *what-so-ever* to do with Google, unless you're an overly defensive Apple "fanboi" of some sort.)

      Seriously, this theodp is worse than Roland Piquepaille ever was, or any other regular submitter for that matter. Even Jon Katz's stuff wasn't this regularly trollish.

    14. Re:Worst headline ever by PlusFiveTroll · · Score: 1

      http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/22/tech/innovation/jobs-excerpt-customer-service/index.html

      From everything I've read about Jobs is he was not just a figurehead.

    15. Re:Worst headline ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you see nothing whatsoever about google in the summary, you are blinded by your own fandroidism.

    16. Re:Worst headline ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This isn't a tech article about comparing devices. Your fanboyism is showing, and it's embarrassing.

  3. So by the logic of this article... by CajunArson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So they are saying that it is "unfair" that iWhatevers cost a bunch so making them cheap means nobody will steal them.

    So using this jumping-the-tracks train of logic, we should make guns free so no criminal will ever want to steal one. BINGO!

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    1. Re:So by the logic of this article... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You dimwit, crimes connected to guns are not gun thefts. If gunshot people could be revived for cheap, gun thefts would be low :D

    2. Re:So by the logic of this article... by gutnor · · Score: 1

      Does not work for gun, since there are other benefit of stealing one (no link to you). However, that works quite well with about everything else. Car, jewellery, tv, ... all of those things that are stolen because they are expensive (and the company selling them is making a profit, which somehow in the article logic make it worse)

    3. Re:So by the logic of this article... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is the dumbest and least-helpful analogy I've ever read. The correct rebuttal to the summary is that $200 in your pocket is still a juicy pickpocket target, i.e. you can't drop the price enough to make smartphone theft unworthwhile. At best the thieves would switch to the next-most-expensive brand, but more likely the iPhone would remain a prime target due to trendiness.

    4. Re:So by the logic of this article... by Kjella · · Score: 2

      So using this jumping-the-tracks train of logic, we should make guns free so no criminal will ever want to steal one. BINGO!

      No, you just took the facepalm to a new level because criminals steal guns since they can't legally buy them, not because they can't afford them. Fundamentally, the article is right because thieves don't steal for shits and giggles, but because you have valuables and because that value exceeds the risk. Just like every tourist guide will warn you not to wear your expensive jewelry to the slum areas. Where the article goes off the rails is in suggesting that we shouldn't have expensive items in an effort to reduce crime. If you extended that to say burglary then we should all live like Tibetan monks. Sure, there's very little reason to robbing them, but the cure is worse than the disease (with no offense to people who choose to live that way). If a $200 phone can do what my $600 phone used to do that's great, but I'm doing it for the $400 and not to reduce crime.

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    5. Re:So by the logic of this article... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, but the theory holds better this way - make everything free, and we eliminate theft!

      Fact is, people steal. There are a few ways around this (in no particalar order;
      1. Lower prices: If the device has no resale value, the thief must desperately want the item themselves. If everyone can afford it, a thief has no incentive to risk being caught stealing the item
      2. Educate people: People do know it is wrong to steal - especially ifthey have had something stolen from them.
      3. Make the item unusable: If a car stereo is stolen, an unlock code must be entered before the device is usable again. These codes were supposedly distributed through authorised mechanics.

      #1 will not work because apple is deliberatly causing artifical demand. They charge a high price and constantly say they don't have stock.
      #2 people already know. We've been educated in this for years now.
      The solution is #3 as I see it. It is done in other countries - IMEI blocking. If people can't use stolen phones, people won't buy them, and therefore people won't steal them.

    6. Re:So by the logic of this article... by PlusFiveTroll · · Score: 2

      >Fundamentally, the article is right because thieves don't steal for shits and giggles

      The depends on the thief. I would suggest your premise is mostly correct, the majority of theft is for profit, but large amount is done just so the thief can have the item independent of the items value. Many times thieves are caught and their reasons fall along the lines of 'we thought it would be fun'.

    7. Re:So by the logic of this article... by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      No, you just took the facepalm to a new level because criminals steal guns since they can't legally buy them, not because they can't afford them.

      The problem with buying guns is that you can't use a gun that you bought without (at least a good chance of) getting caught.

    8. Re:So by the logic of this article... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You dimwit, crimes connected to guns are not gun thefts. If gunshot people could be revived for cheap, gun thefts would be low :D

      Actually, I'm pretty sure that the largest part of gun related crimes are gun thefts from burglaries. The same crimes that prove having a gun at your house does jack shit against burglaries, because -tah-dah- that gun gets stolen from your house.

  4. Breaking News! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Criminals steal overpriced items to pawn them off for a decent sum of money

  5. This is borderline ridiculous by itsphilip · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The way this is written is so absurdly biased; if you want to promote Android devices, just come out and say it. Don't use some arbitrary statistic to promote your agenda. That's like blaming the former CEO of Lexus for making a desirable vehicle that is prone to theft as a result of its desirability or popularity.

    1. Re:This is borderline ridiculous by statusbar · · Score: 2

      No, really, it is Steve Job's fault - personally - that since the devices are loved so much by users, the re-sale black market price is high allowing big profits for people who steal them. If ONLY Steve Job made the products lousy, no one would pay for them! and no one would steal them!

      Uh.... I wonder if the criminals DON'T steal the Android phones?

      Criminal: "Give me your iPhone!"

      Geek: "I have an Android phone!"

      Criminal: "Darn, ok you can keep your Android."

      ???

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    2. Re:This is borderline ridiculous by Krishnoid · · Score: 4, Informative

      a desirable vehicle that is prone to theft as a result of its desirability or popularity.

      Offtopic, but Lexus doesn't even figure in the top ten. I think the Honda Accord and Civic have topped that list for years -- earlier-model ones, for that matter.

    3. Re:This is borderline ridiculous by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 1

      The way this is written is so absurdly biased; if you want to promote Android devices, just come out and say it.

      I don't think they're trying to. I'd infer one a few possibilities, possibly more than one:

      *Apple has, through a marketing blitz, become synonymous with personal electronic gadget. So a crime wave of electronic gadget theft makes people think Apple.

      *Apple devices have a high market share, so their devices probably constitute a high fraction of gadget thefts

      *Apple devices may have a better black market value due to ubiquity and appeal.

      The quotes come from city officials - I don't think they have any sort of anti-Apple bias

      The way the slashdot summary is written is clearly joking, sonic boom *whoosh* sound impending

    4. Re:This is borderline ridiculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People buy Lexus who don't actually like cars. They just want a sofa on wheels with a prestige brand. It's not the same. Take the IS-F. A sports car with a torque converter? Very enjoyable.

    5. Re:This is borderline ridiculous by _merlin · · Score: 1

      Have you actually driven an IS-F? The torque converter is locked up the whole time if you aren't in first gear. They went with a torque converter as it's a large weight saving over a double clutch. There are various reasons I probably wouldn't get an IS-F if I was going to get a Lexus tomorrow, but the torque converter isn't one of them.

    6. Re:This is borderline ridiculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He said Android, not Blackberry. Blackberries don't even make good paperweights.

    7. Re:This is borderline ridiculous by Maow · · Score: 1

      The way this is written is so absurdly biased; if you want to promote Android devices, just come out and say it. Don't use some arbitrary statistic to promote your agenda. That's like blaming the former CEO of Lexus for making a desirable vehicle that is prone to theft as a result of its desirability or popularity.

      I'm not sure that submitter theodp is a fan of Android, just an unrepentant troll.

      His submissions, while full of links which can make them seem well researched, are so often unadulterated troll material it's pathetic.

      I have an Android, and if this is an attempt to make Android look good, it sure as hell didn't work in my opinion.

    8. Re:This is borderline ridiculous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is why I have a Windows Phone. Who wants to steal a Windows Phone?

    9. Re:This is borderline ridiculous by betterprimate · · Score: 1

      a desirable vehicle that is prone to theft as a result of its desirability or popularity.

      Offtopic, but Lexus doesn't even figure in the top ten. I think the Honda Accord and Civic have topped that list for years -- earlier-model ones, for that matter.

      This is presumably due to their popularity which makes them easier to be scrapped and trafficked. In Mexico, it's the VW that is more prone to theft. Thieves will even steal parts off a parked VW for a few pesos.

      Perhaps it's also true for the iDevices: it's not the cost but their popularity.

    10. Re:This is borderline ridiculous by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 1

      According to the linked article, the guy just wanted iPhones. In case you missed it, I bolded the specific part where it states that he said that.

      In one incident, the suspect followed a student into the lobby of a brownstone on West 114th Street between Broadway and Amsterdam Avenue on Nov. 15, pulled a gun and demanded the student's iPhone.

      The frightened student immediately took out his phone and handed it over. But it was a BlackBerry.

      The thief looked at it and immediately handed it back.

      "I want iPhones," he snarled, according to a source.

  6. Victim blaming by enabran · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you don't want to have your iPhone stolen stop using it in public.

    Great.

    1. Re:Victim blaming by BradleyUffner · · Score: 3, Funny

      If you don't want to have your iPhone stolen stop using it in public.

      Great.

      Or stop advertising that you have one on you by wearing it like a fashion accessory. Ahh, wait, that would defeat the entire point of owning one. What a dilemma.

    2. Re:Victim blaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Or stop advertising that you have one on you by wearing it like a fashion accessory. Ahh, wait, that would defeat the entire point of owning one. What a dilemma.

      If you dress that way, you deserve to be raped.

    3. Re:Victim blaming by alcmena · · Score: 1

      My thoughts as well. The victim is rarely the one who should be blamed, but it is often so much easier that people do it anyway. Same concept... if only those first graders had their own assault rifles...

    4. Re:Victim blaming by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      Like all things, there's a healthy balance to this.
      Nobody DESERVES to have their iPhone stolen, but you can do things to minimize the chances.
      I think you'll agree that if I walked around in a very bad part of town, set my iPhone down on a bench and shouted "hey everybody, can you keep an eye on my phone while I go in and use the bathroom", it would likely be stolen and I would bear some of the blame.

  7. Ban IPhones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    If banning guns will cut down on crime, this is absolute proof that banning I-Phones and I-Pads will also reduce crime. At the very least I-product owners need to have background checks and get registed and licenced to carry them. Also I-Pad 2s should be outright banned. Who in their right mind actually needs and I-Pad 2? The retina display isn't that much better and all it is doing is fuleing a crime wave.

    Challenge: Tell me why my post is wrong, but banning gus is right.
    LOL

    1. Re:Ban IPhones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Challenge: Tell me why my post is wrong, but banning gus is right.

      Guns are designed for no other purpose than to kill or maim. Easy availability allows for more and deadlier crimes, so their use should be restricted. However, Apple devices are the targets of crime owing to their desirability.

      There were robberies before iPhones and iPods and there will be robberies still when they are long forgotten. But reducing the availability of deadly weapons makes them harder to pull off.

      I am so very glad that banning drugs has stopped anyone from doing them. Oh, wait...

    2. Re:Ban IPhones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      My guns must be defective. They've never killed or maimed anyone despite being fired tens of thousands of times.
       
      Understand, Tapefuck, I will never... EVER... disarm. So get that shit out of your mouth right now.
       
      Don't blame the law abiding citizen for what a criminal does. Guns are not only designed to maim and kill. So go fuck yourself in the ass. Your memes are lies and they're tired lies at that.

    3. Re:Ban IPhones by hawguy · · Score: 1

      If banning guns will cut down on crime, this is absolute proof that banning I-Phones and I-Pads will also reduce crime. At the very least I-product owners need to have background checks and get registed and licenced to carry them. Also I-Pad 2s should be outright banned. Who in their right mind actually needs and I-Pad 2? The retina display isn't that much better and all it is doing is fuleing a crime wave.

      Challenge: Tell me why my post is wrong, but banning gus is right.
      LOL

      Because no one can walk into a crowded public place and kill a dozen people with an iPhone or iPad? Though I suppose you might be able to take down one or two slow moving people with a strike to the head with an iPad.

      Furthermore, your iPod can save your live by stopping a bullet: http://www.gadgetcrunch.net/2007/04/06/ipod-stops-bullet-saves-soldiers-life-in-iraq/

    4. Re:Ban IPhones by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

      Challenge: Tell me why my post is wrong, but banning gus is right.

      That's an impossible challenge. If you can't see the difference already, then you are predisposed not to see the difference between the target of a crime and the means of committing a crime.

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    5. Re:Ban IPhones by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 1

      Gus is a smelly, toothless old hobo who only hangs out in the library to leer at underage girls. I have no problem whatsoever if he is banned.

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    6. Re:Ban IPhones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There were robberies before iPhones and iPods and there will be robberies still when they are long forgotten. But reducing the availability of deadly weapons makes them harder to pull off.

      There were murders before guns, whats your point? If we ban these IPads the crime rate will go down. We must punish law abiding citizens for the actions of criminals, that is what liberalism has taught me.

    7. Re:Ban IPhones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, when they come for my guns I certainly will be a criminal. But fighting tyranny will be well worth it.

    8. Re:Ban IPhones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone should fix this "Troll" mod.

    9. Re:Ban IPhones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      John Adams
      Samuel Adams
      John Dickinson
      Benjamin Franklin
      Nathanael Greene
      Alexander Hamilton
      John Hancock
      Patrick Henry
      Thomas Jefferson
      James Madison
      Thomas Paine
      George Washington

      a list of criminals i'd be proud to join.

    10. Re:Ban IPhones by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Guns are designed for no other purpose than to kill or maim. Easy availability allows for more and deadlier crimes, so their use should be restricted. However, Apple devices are the targets of crime owing to their desirability.

      Knives are designed for no other purpose than to kill or maim. Easily availability allows for more and deadlier crimes, so their use should be restricted. Anything is a target of desirability, including money.

      In fact, the doctors over in the UK just called for a knife ban. You're just a stinking fool.

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    11. Re:Ban IPhones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My guns must be defective. They've never killed or maimed anyone despite being fired tens of thousands of times.

      Understand, Tapefuck, I will never... EVER... disarm. So get that shit out of your mouth right now.

      Don't blame the law abiding citizen for what a criminal does. Guns are not only designed to maim and kill. So go fuck yourself in the ass. Your memes are lies and they're tired lies at that.

      I, for one, don't trust a snotty potty mouth like yourself with a gun.

      And please explain what, exactly, a gun is good for if not killing? And don't tell me "target practice" because while I agree that it's fun, a) so are drugs, but they're illegal; b) target practice is only *useful* to make killing more efficient.

      Regardless, attitudes like yours make it im-fucking-possible for me to give a single shit when your citizens are murdered with guns at a rate beyond comprehension in the civilized world -- a rate only exceeded by automobile deaths.

      When (not if) your next "Sandy Hook" happens, the rest of the world will look at people like yourself and see you as part of the problem.

    12. Re:Ban IPhones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Strike Hamilton the traitor from that list, and I'm with you.

    13. Re:Ban IPhones by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Anyone using "LOL" as a substitute for punctuation is not worth a serious response.

      Also, Gus is a valued colleague, and I see no reason why he should be banned.

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    14. Re:Ban IPhones by PlusFiveTroll · · Score: 1

      http://www.forbes.com/2005/08/31/technology-tools-knife_cx_de_0831knife.html

      The idea of banning knives is silly really. It may reduce incidents of people carrying them, maybe. A knife is a simple machine. Any object that is wedgelike and sharp on one side is a knife. I mean, people stuck in prisons have never made knives.

    15. Re:Ban IPhones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Knives are only good for stabbing. I've said it, so it must be right. Computers only good for hacking..... you get the point.
      Simply put, you don't like guns, they make you nervous, in fact when you see them you probably get an uncomfortable feeling in your stomach:one that you don't get with knives. My mother does that with Spiders. I don't ban spiders.
      PS: your stat on death rates is plain wrong. I'd quote sources, but simply googling "death rates in US" easily shows you're made up fantasy.

  8. High Quality Gear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whatever geek.com's writing, I'm sure little has changed in the theft of high-end car-gear from the likes of Pioneer & co.

    1. Re:High Quality Gear by alcmena · · Score: 1

      Actually not true. Anti-theft measures, custom sizes, plus sane after market prices have all contributed significantly to the reduction in car break ins to steal stereo equipment... come on dude, this was even part of the summary.

  9. maybe rolex should reduce their prices too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    since nobody will mug you for a cheap ass timex, lel.

  10. Warrant for his arrest by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

    Have they issued a warrant for Steve's arrest? Quick, before he flees the country.

  11. Bloomberg is a douche by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Always has been and always will be.

  12. Link-bait headline. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Really? Are headlines like this what Slashdot has become?

    I've been reading this site for over 10 years, and posts like this are just sad link-bait.

    1. Re:Link-bait headline. by Roblimo · · Score: 0

      It's irony, dudelet. RTFM. See? It's dumb, and it's on Slashdot so smart people can laugh at it.

      10 years and you haven't figured out that Slashdot jumped the snark long ago?

      Snark has been a Slashdot feature since day one.

      Heh.

  13. Bloomberg is too busy... by dfenstrate · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...Being a lecturing nanny to actually see that the normal functions of a city government are performed.
    Note his wars on large sodas and restuarant menus, while bedbugs run rampant.
    He wags his finger at Apple because crooks are loose in his city. And he has his PIs make straw purchases of firearms in far-away states, violating federal law for masterbatory political posturing.
    Why do New Yorkers elect this clown?

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    1. Re:Bloomberg is too busy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I once had an opportunity to discuss politics with a resident of NYC while attending university at one of those faraway states targeted by Bloomberg's criminal (think Saul from Breaking Bad) private investigators.

      The alternatives to Bloomberg were, allegedly, much worse than Bloomberg, and so he gets elected. Again. And again.

    2. Re:Bloomberg is too busy... by Whatsmynickname · · Score: 2

      Why do New Yorkers elect this clown?

      As George Carlin explains "this is the best we can do folks". Bloomberg is just a reflection of the people who vote this clown in.

  14. Lock up the entire underclass, problem solved. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or you could bend over and let them fuck you up the ass, if you
    were a Slashdot editor.

  15. Is Apple responsible for stolen devices? by ark1 · · Score: 3, Informative

    At least one lawyer successfully sued Apple and got compensated when his previous toy got stolen. Why take responsibility for your actions when you can blame someone else?

    1. Re:Is Apple responsible for stolen devices? by _xeno_ · · Score: 1

      While I'll grant that the lawyer was pretty scummy since half his case was "Apple should have warned me people might steal my iShiny!" there's also this:

      Apple also serviced Deverett's stolen computer for someone else even after Deverett called to tell them it was stolen.

      That's pretty scummy on Apple's behalf, too.

      They can both be jerks.

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    2. Re:Is Apple responsible for stolen devices? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I metamoderate. this down. The truth of the matter is that the lawyer reported it stolen, and Apple went ahead and performed service on it for the thief and returned it to the thief. Quite a bit different that suing because your laptop got stolen.

    3. Re:Is Apple responsible for stolen devices? by Theaetetus · · Score: 1

      At least one lawyer successfully sued Apple and got compensated when his previous toy got stolen. Why take responsibility for your actions when you can blame someone else?

      I'm sure we'll see you in all the copyright troll threads talking about how the publishers/MPAA/RIAA have "successfully sued" people who settled prior to any trial. I mean, it's certainly successful by some definitions, but I wouldn't rely on it as actually establishing liability, or anything,

    4. Re:Is Apple responsible for stolen devices? by Maow · · Score: 1

      At least one lawyer successfully sued Apple and got compensated when his previous toy got stolen. Why take responsibility for your actions when you can blame someone else?

      It looks like, from the link you provided plus a bit of deduction, the lawyer did not win, he settled with Apple for credits, and Apple likely settled because

      Apple also serviced Deverett’s stolen computer for someone else even after Deverett called to tell them it was stolen.

      i.e. they had his stolen item in their possession and still gave it back to the thief, or the person that bought stolen goods. That was a very dumb move.

  16. hahahha... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Even for Slashdot this summary is so absurdly written as to bury whatever interesting point it tried to make. I laughed out loud.

    If you want to be clever, by all means, be clever, but don't expect the rest of us to take you, your ideas, or anything you'll have to offer from here on out, seriously.

  17. Got my iphone stolen in nyc by bradrum · · Score: 0

    It was interesting to watch its location go directly to Flushing Queens ( biggest chinatown in the city for those not in the know). Called up the local precinct and they told me I had to file the report in the precinct that it had been stolen in. Then I had to track it down myself and contact the precinct where the phone ended up in.

    Kojack is a fictional character so I said "screw that" and just wiped the thing out. Getting my irish ass karate chopped ( much higher odds on their end ) and my organs sold on the black market in some Flushing back ally were the last way I needed to die over an iPhone. While it would have made a cool premise for a low budget action pict, I can think of more dignified things to die over.

    1. Re:Got my iphone stolen in nyc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can think of more dignified things to die over.

      You're not man enough to live in NYC.

    2. Re:Got my iphone stolen in nyc by bradrum · · Score: 1

      Who said I was one?

  18. History repeating by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

    It was exactly the same when cellphones themselves were expensive gadgets. Their price dropped over the years and now they're pretty commonplace.

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  19. Article Failure... by Delarth799 · · Score: 1

    Thieves will steal whatever they can to make some money, especially easy money since people don't keep their phones/tablets locked to themselves. They don't care if its an iPhone or not and I bet if all android type phones were lumped into a single category they would be just as high in theft rate as iDevices and maybe even higher. Sure some criminals might see the iDevice and know exactly how much they can pawn it for and maybe make a bit more compared the numerous devices by other manufacturers but that's about it.

    1. Re:Article Failure... by Karlt1 · · Score: 1

      They don't care if its an iPhone or not and I bet if all android type phones were lumped into a single category they would be just as high in theft rate as iDevices and maybe even higher.

      http://thenextweb.com/apple/2011/12/16/these-muggers-want-iphones-only-let-owners-keep-droid-blackberry/

      "Three separate incidents have seen students from Columbia University contact police after being stopped on 114th Street and asked to hand over mobile phones to the muggers. The thieves stole one victimâ(TM)s iPhone, but they reported rejected the opportunity to snatch a Motorola Droid, instead preferring to take cash, and reacted violently when a third victim claimed she did not own the Apple device."

  20. Zombie attack by Tough+Love · · Score: 3, Funny

    Unbeknownst to Steve, his new liver was infected with zombie juice. He didn't stay buried long. Hordes of zombies wielding iPhones now attacking New York subways, lead by Steve or what remains of him.

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    1. Re:Zombie attack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hordes of zombies wielding iPhones

      Some things never change.

  21. Blame Visa Debit Cards and Electronic Payments by l0ungeb0y · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I imagine that most people (such as myself) don't carry any significant quantity of cash on them anymore since most every Retailer and Restaurant will take a Visa Debit card issued from your bank.

    So it only makes sense to go after iPhones and iPads since going after someone's wallet will typically net you $60 or less, while you can offload that shiny iGadget for a couple hundred.

    If it weren't iDevices, it'd be something else.
    The real culprit here is a profound culture shift from cash based shopping to electronic payments.

    1. Re:Blame Visa Debit Cards and Electronic Payments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would think the reverse is true. People who use money, carry more money on them at a time because of ATM fees. Before ATM fees, you could take out 20$ here, 20$ there and be able to cover expenses. With 2$ ATM fees, you want to take out 200$ at your home ATM, thus saving you 20$ in fees. So people carry more money around with them than before... Those of the people who use money.

    2. Re:Blame Visa Debit Cards and Electronic Payments by l0ungeb0y · · Score: 4, Informative

      What I'm saying is that money is falling out of use, maybe not for you, but for me and many others.

      Why pay ATM fees to grab $20 or even $60, when you could just pay with a debit card and have the retailer pay for the transaction fee (aside from certain a-holes like ARCO and some corner stores that pass on the fee to the consumer)

      About a decade ago, I would typically keep about $100 in the house just because. Now days it's rare if I have $15 around at any given time. Mostly I keep a roll of quarters in the car to pay for meters, and even those are starting to go the electronic payment route.

      And if you don't like ATM fees, use the grocery store checkout as your ATM.
      Yes, you have to buy something, but a pack of Altoids is a lot less than most ATM fees, and much more invigorating ;)

    3. Re:Blame Visa Debit Cards and Electronic Payments by dugancent · · Score: 0

      Mainly because my two favorites places to eat don't take anything other than cash. Neither place is hurting because of it either.

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    4. Re:Blame Visa Debit Cards and Electronic Payments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All retailers pass the fee of an debit card transaction on their customers. The problem is people like me, who use cash, also have to pay for people like you who are cheap bastard. Worst, people like you make people like waste time in line because using a debit card is MUCH slower than paying cash.

      I'm sorry to say, but you are the a-hole.

    5. Re:Blame Visa Debit Cards and Electronic Payments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nowadays cash only + not hurting = something fishy going on there.

    6. Re:Blame Visa Debit Cards and Electronic Payments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I gotta agree - cash is a pain.

      There are only three places I use cash these days: ARCO (cheapest gas price around, plus many gas stations around have two prices: cash discount or higher credit card price), paying the kids their allowance (which is funny, because they mostly give it back to me and tell me to deposit it into their bank account, for which they have ATM cards, and I just stick the cash in the car for ARCO gas) and the taco truck.

      In-N-Out and Popeye's didn't used to take CC - they do now, and other than the taco truck, I can think of only one other place that only takes cash (a local mom-and-pop sandwich shop that only serves lunch M-F).

    7. Re:Blame Visa Debit Cards and Electronic Payments by swillden · · Score: 1

      paying the kids their allowance (which is funny, because they mostly give it back to me and tell me to deposit it into their bank account, for which they have ATM cards

      I just do an account-to-account transfer to pay allowance.

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    8. Re:Blame Visa Debit Cards and Electronic Payments by dugancent · · Score: 1

      http://www.noshisushila.com/

      Packed every time I go.

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    9. Re:Blame Visa Debit Cards and Electronic Payments by Kjella · · Score: 1

      About a decade ago, I would typically keep about $100 in the house just because. Now days it's rare if I have $15 around at any given time.

      Well I usually have some cash around just because it's guaranteed to work. I recently had to replace my VISA card because it appeared somehow it'd been compromised, which meant doing several days of Christmas shopping without it until a replacement arrived. I do have a credit card laying around here somewhere too but cash always works. It doesn't mean I use it much, but it's useful to have when you need it.

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    10. Re:Blame Visa Debit Cards and Electronic Payments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My bank refunds any and all ATM fees (they actually refund more than fee :P ). ATMs were designed to save the banks money by not having to create as many customer facing branches. If you have to pay any ATM fees, get another bank. Your bank's interests aren't aligned with your interests and that's a problem.

      I still use a credit card for almost all of my purchases. But I keep some cash for when credit card processing is down or for when I'm in a hurry.

    11. Re:Blame Visa Debit Cards and Electronic Payments by houghi · · Score: 1

      (aside from certain a-holes like ARCO and some corner stores that pass on the fee to the consumer)

      ALL stores pass on the fee to the customer. It is just that you do not see it.

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    12. Re:Blame Visa Debit Cards and Electronic Payments by bre_dnd · · Score: 1
      Sushi, fishy -- I can see the connection.

      Not seen the place, not been there, but I can't see a reason a restaurant won't take cards.

    13. Re:Blame Visa Debit Cards and Electronic Payments by darkHanzz · · Score: 1

      So if you pay with cash, you pay the fee twice: Once at the ATM, once in the store. When paying with a debit card, you only pay it at the store.

    14. Re:Blame Visa Debit Cards and Electronic Payments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      100.0% of retailers pass transaction fees to consumers. Tanstaafl.

    15. Re:Blame Visa Debit Cards and Electronic Payments by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      probably because they pay a fee when they take cards, while cash incurs no bank fee.

  22. Problem already largely solved... by Shoten · · Score: 1

    I'm from the DC area, and we had the same problem. Chief Lanier (our chief of police) along with other counterparts from other major urban centers with a lot of iPhones, have had the same problem...and they pushed the cellular carriers to make it possible (as it already has been in Europe for a long time) to essentially blacklist stolen devices. As we speak, the system is going into use, and soon stolen iPhones will be basically worthless. iPads are a little different, since you can do most of what you want with one using only wifi, but these are also less prevalent and less often stolen.

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    1. Re:Problem already largely solved... by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      and soon stolen iPhones will be basically worthless

      Except, in New York City, apparently, where they still seem to have some worth.

      Bloomberg was on the cutting edge on the soda size issue, though . . .

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    2. Re:Problem already largely solved... by guruevi · · Score: 1

      All iDevices (and most upscale Android devices) can be remotely bricked if set up properly. The problem is 90% of the owners have no clue this is a free service that would immediately drop the want for expensive bricks.

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    3. Re:Problem already largely solved... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No they can't. iPhones can be remotely wiped with iCloud, or a password can be remotely setup. In either case, the phone can be wiped and used as if it's new without any special hardware needed.

  23. The REAL issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mass immigration and multiculturalism. It never has worked and never will. It always causes horrible problems.

  24. Other markets by jbolden · · Score: 1

    This post is nonsense. The iPhone is expensive in unsubsidized markets. A $400 subsidy doesn't add $400 to the price rather it is a subsidy what consumers pay. As for American phone subsidies. Phone subsidies have been a crucial component of building America's cellular infrastructure. It may be completely irrational but that irrationality doesn't change the fact:

    a) The quality of one's total cellular experience is highly dependent on the quality of the handset.
    b) The better the cellular experience the more one is willing to pay.
    c) Adding the price of the phone to the monthly reoccurring services doesn't change the total amount much (i.e $400/20 = $20 / mo).

    So it makes sense to subsidize the handset and add the cost to the monthly bill.

  25. Let's blame inanimate objects by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just another case of Bloomberg blaming inanimate objects instead of the actual people making the decisions.

  26. The Actual Real Issue by TwineLogic · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Is tracking software -- the kind users install named "Find My iPhone" or "Find My Android." In anticipation of the day when their device may be stolen or lost.

    Here in Seattle, WA, the police are also responding to a great surge in these theft calls. The reason is simple: if they do not respond, the owner might take the law into his or her own hands (or the hands of their posse, in some cases). The police would rather intervene and not have people get into such risky situations.

    Otherwise, the usual response to property crime of such a low value would be to take a report and move on. A detective would not be assigned to a lost $600 item. A recovery would not occur. The stolen item would be gone.

    With owner-installed Find My [Property] using GPS + Cloud applications, law enforcement is being moved into a citizen-responsive mode. The "dispatching detectives" are the citizen running a web app, reporting the location of the stolen item. The radio transmission relays some information along the lines of, "victim has tracked the item to a particular building and believes he can hear it ringing upon his command." And the police units are on the way post haste to intervene on that potential scenario.

    The same is happening with Android, but to a reduced extent. Some cheap-o Android devices are no doubt not tracked. Possibly the user experience for person who lose their smart phone is discrepant between platforms.

    At least one moving "stolen" phone I heard a report of turned out to be in the back seat of a taxi. That is where it had been lost the night before. There were multiple police chasing the location reports around while the citizen in the GPS-web loop called the moves... Eventually the taxi they were following became apparent and the case was solved.

    Meanwhile, if I lost a Fluke Scopemeter (hypothetical possession; please send me one), I would be out a $2400 portable meter. It does not have a Find My Flukemeter that I could otherwise use to pursue asset using dynamics.

    If the robbery was an armed robbery and the victim can identify the suspect later, the police are proactive in using the same tracking software to collar the perpetrator for the major crime.

  27. Just trollin... but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If gun crime is at an all time low and iThing crime at an all time high.

    Maybe they should ban all apple products and tar and feather anyone who disagree's.

  28. price cuts didn't kill car stereo theft by slew · · Score: 1

    After all, didn't dramatic price cuts pretty much kill car stereo theft?

    The general consensus of criminologist is that two factors killed car stero thefts...
    First, car manfacturers started putting in better stereos into most cars reducing the market for stolen car stereos.
    Second, it was much easier to fence GPS navigation devices in glove boxes than spend the time to rip out the car stereo.

    So with this logic, we should force carriers to only give out smart phones for free (you could still get a feature phone for $40) and have people carry easy to fence sunglasses and gold jewelry.

    1. Re:price cuts didn't kill car stereo theft by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1

      The other thing of course is that now so many manufacturers have strange custom bezels for the stereo, so if you rip a stereo out of a car it will only fit the same make and model. Furthermore, these days the stereo display is integrated into the dashboard, and the controls are integrated into the steering wheel. So, even if you remove the stereo and fit it to an identical car, the serial numbers don't match up and it won't work properly.

    2. Re:price cuts didn't kill car stereo theft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention being barely able to remove them without tearing them to pieces.

    3. Re:price cuts didn't kill car stereo theft by Geeky · · Score: 1

      Second, it was much easier to fence GPS navigation devices in glove boxes than spend the time to rip out the car stereo.

      Which is why I'd like satnav to be a much cheaper option on new cars. Built in, so it's no use in other cars in the same way that stereos are - controls on the steering column, that kind of thing.

      So much easier than dealing with the stupid suction cup on the windscreen, but for some reason (UK at least) a £100 satnav suddenly becomes a £700+ add-on if you want it built in. It's changing, but slowly, and I hope it will follow the model of stereos and become pretty much standard kit.

      Of course, GPS phones that act as satnavs might be another way thefts based on the expectation of a GPS in the glovebox die away - most people can't be bothered to take their satnav when they leave the car, but if the screen mount is for a phone it's fairly obvious they will take that with them when they leave the car.

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  29. "Wearing"? by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Or stop advertising that you have one on you by wearing it like a fashion accessory.

    Who "wears" an iPhone or iPad? Usually they are kept in pockets or jackets or backpacks.

    The problem is that the whole point of having any kind of phone, much less a smartphone, is that you can receive calls, make calls, or look up things as you wish. If you lock your device away out of fear until you are in a private space then what is the point of having something portable?

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    1. Re:"Wearing"? by Rockoon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Who "wears" an iPhone or iPad? Usually they are kept in pockets or jackets or backpacks.

      In my experience they are usually kept about chest height in front of the owner, in their left hand, and the owner is paying almost no attention to anything other than their iDevice.

      --
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    2. Re:"Wearing"? by SuperKendall · · Score: 0

      In my experience they are usually kept about chest height in front of the owner, in their left hand, and the owner is paying almost no attention to anything other than their iDevice.

      A) that's not wearing.

      B) Then obviously they don't care what you think about them having an iPhone or not. They are just happily using it.

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    3. Re:"Wearing"? by _merlin · · Score: 1

      Woman in front of me in the bag drop queue at the airport last week and two seats across from me on the plane: iPhone tucked into her bra, but carefully positioned so it protruded above her neckline, so everyone could see it (her boyfriend was pretty nerdy, too - short that was a reference to both Portal and Street fighter, and reading some Halo novel).

  30. Terrible submission by Mr_Silver · · Score: 2

    But it seems the best way to fight the iCrime Wave might be to slash the $699 price of an iPhone (unactivated), which costs an estimated $207 to make.

    Only if you ignore such pesky things like R&D, salaries, buildings, administrative staff, operating costs, tooling costs, distribution, packaging, marketing and so on.

    Apple make a good profit from their handsets, but not the three times that the submission implies. It's also worth noting that whilst the Nexus is impressively priced, the only Android OEM that is really making any money is Samsung - everyone else isn't doing quite so well.

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  31. No. by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

    It's uncomfortable allowing a third party to be able to permanently brick your phone or other device, but if that were a commonly-used option, the resale value would quickly drop down close to zero.

    And the Slashdot crowd would be screaming EVEN LOUDER about proprietary "walled gardens".

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    1. Re:No. by Maow · · Score: 1

      It's uncomfortable allowing a third party to be able to permanently brick your phone or other device, but if that were a commonly-used option, the resale value would quickly drop down close to zero.

      And the Slashdot crowd would be screaming EVEN LOUDER about proprietary "walled gardens".

      No, some of us might scream if there was no way for a recovered device to be unbricked with presentation of original receipt and police documentation of the recovery, and / or for guarantees that one's device couldn't be bricked by pranksters.

      The bricking of phones would be by carriers and apply to all phones, at least as Canadian legislation has been proposed. Actually, the legislation would not brick the phones but would disallow them from being used on any Canadian networks. If combined with the US it could be fairly effective though some would surely be sold overseas.

      Regardless, it has NOTHING to do with WALLED GARDENS, so you can enjoy yours.

    2. Re:No. by kiriath · · Score: 1

      Do you really still have the original receipts for all of your devices?

    3. Re:No. by Maow · · Score: 1

      Do you really still have the original receipts for all of your devices?

      A fair number of them but I realize most people don't. However, that misses the point entirely.

      If you device is stolen but recovered, do you want it permanently bricked?

    4. Re:No. by kiriath · · Score: 1

      Meh, maybe... I'd rather have it permanently bricked with the uncertainty of return in play, than recoverable and the potential to never get it back.

      I'd rather have it in my hands bricked knowing nobody got anything off of me, than out there without a permabrick solution available... know what I mean?

    5. Re:No. by Maow · · Score: 1

      Meh, maybe... I'd rather have it permanently bricked with the uncertainty of return in play, than recoverable and the potential to never get it back.

      I'd rather have it in my hands bricked knowing nobody got anything off of me, than out there without a permabrick solution available... know what I mean?

      I know what you mean; part of me would want it perma-bricked so the parasite that stole it would get no benefit from it. Then, assuming they were charged criminally for theft, I could sue them in civil court for damages, i.e. the cost of a new phone.

      Maybe the GSM consortium needs to implement something so that all carriers globally would simply refuse to register any device reported stolen, rendering them almost as useless as if bricked.

      Although, thinking "out loud", a stolen device could still be used as a VOIP device on Wifi, for gaming, just not voice & text calls. And, I believe IMEI numbers can be reset too...

      Seems like bricking is the best of a bad lot of solutions.

    6. Re:No. by kiriath · · Score: 1

      Exactly.

      For now a perma-brick would be the most cost effective solution, and the fastest to address the issue stated above. A complete re-tooling would be required to come up with a 'better' solution.

  32. Price isn't the issue by richardtallent · · Score: 1

    An Samsung Galaxy S3 is almost $600 unlocked as well.

    Instead, Apple should SQUASH the black market by making it easy for customers to report a device stolen. Once reported stolen, Apple should brick the phone remotely and contact the service provider to have the IMEI blacklisted.

    AT&T and TMobile just started blocking blacklisted IMEIs last month. As other carriers follow suit and companies like Apple make it easier for the average consumer to make the report, thieves will eventually learn that the devices are worthless.

  33. Awfully bad summary by Kyusaku+Natsume · · Score: 1

    This is an awfully bad summary. There is no need to try to be snarky from the beginning. Also, what Bloomberg's press secretary said is so stupid that is fitting for the Innocent's day, the spanish and latin american version of April's fools that was yesterday.

    Of course thieves and muggers will try to steal expensive gadgets. People don't wear expensive jewelry like in past years because it is out of fashion and, unlike jewelry, gadgets can perform an useful function so they are a more common and convenient target than wallets full of credit cards and no cash, jewelry or expensive watches.

    Instead of saying stupid stuff to the press the mayor should blame the thieves themselves, the growing income gap that makes easier to rationalize crime for people that don't have anything to lose, or the bad economy for the increase in crime instead of Apple o any other consumer electronics company.

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  34. Use a Cheap Basic Phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Iphones and Android stuff are "smart phones" in that only dumb people use them (save medical and other professionals who need web/apps to look up things like medications on the go). Data costs are terrible, its cheaper if less convenient to look things up on a wifi network; just like cooking rather than takeout/restaurant food is cheaper (and better for you).

    Carry a disposable basic phone costing less than $50 at Wal-mart, no contract, don't keep that much money on it, you're out at most $70 or so. The thug will get less than $5 for it, street value. That basic phone will make calls, get voicemail, get and send texts just as well as a smartphone. You can get a new one whenver you want.

    Electronics have gotten to the point where investing any real money in them is a waste. They're all cheaply made in China. Outmoded within a year.

  35. The real problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is a nasty city of animals.

  36. The Modern American Way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's always someone else's fault for the failings of others. We've removed a lot of personal responsibility in the past 3 decades. Welcome to modern society, where personal responsibility is always someone else's job.

  37. Michael Jordan behind NYC Crime Wave by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mayor from 1990 says "don't wear expensive basketball shoes like the Air Jordan".

  38. If you outlaw iDevices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    only outlaws will have iDevices.

  39. It's not Jobs by kawabago · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    It's the American public rushing out to buy 'luxury' 'designer' goods at prices far beyond their worth. Lose the label envy and you'll solve the problem.

    1. Re:It's not Jobs by DaMattster · · Score: 2

      Ah if only it were that simple. Americans consume excess out of status envy, depression, inferiority-complex ... you name it. They don't call it retail therapy for nothing. The subliminal messages in the ads try to make you feel inferior or backward if you don't buy the latest and greatest gadget. Ignore the ads, work on your self-esteem in positive ways, and gain a sense of independence.

    2. Re:It's not Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If nobody bought shit they didn't need, there would be a whole lot (more) people nobody needs.

    3. Re:It's not Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's the American public rushing out to buy 'luxury' 'designer' goods at prices far beyond their worth.

      Most of Apple's sales no longer come from the American public. It's people everywhere on the planet who want these goods more than other things they could buy for the same money.

  40. By that logic... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you take out all of the murders from the crime report, NYC's murder rate was essentially zero. Well done, New York.

  41. What needs to be done to stop these crimes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are many items which need to be done to stop these crimes and ensure public safety.

    1) All cell phones, smart phones, iPhones and other electronic devices need to be registered with the government and local police

    2) Owners of these devices must submit finger prints, self-photos, home address, work address, to be confirmed and approved valid before these items can be bought, brought home, used, or transported.

    3) Owners must submit to training for these devices as well as medical background checks. This will ensure no dangerous or unauthorized usage of these devices occurs.

    4) Devices need to be installed in the cars of the owners of these devices, which will automatically turn off the engine of the car, when these devices are used. This will save lives, as it is proven driving and text or using these devices in anyway causes deaths almost at the same level as firearms.

    5) When the devices are no longer required by the owner, it will be surrendered to the government or local police.

    6) Police and government will be allowed to search the homes, cars, places of work and any other place the owner of these devices might be or have gone. This is to ensure public safety.

    7) Wait periods of 45 days is required for all new or used devices after they are bought.

    8) strict guild lines are required to ensure the safe storage of these devices. With these guide lines, public safety is at risk.

    9) Names, addresses, place of work and other information will be placed on line to ensure the public knows who has these devices, and where these devices are located at all times.

    10) All voice and data transmissions will be recorded, stored, and listed to by the Government and Police. This will ensure there are no miss use of these devices.

    Only by creating new laws and removing all privacy and other rights, include the right to protect one self from others including the Government, will the public be safe.

    Perhaps there should be an UN resolution to bring these changes to all self-governed countries like the US, Canada and Iran.

  42. Meh by DaMattster · · Score: 1

    This is a nationwide problem and thus not unique to NYC. I live in the DC area and device theft is so much of a problem that DC Metro Transit Police have warnings posted everywhere as well as pretty good prevention tips.

  43. I want a phone that detonates by gelfling · · Score: 1

    Send the detonate code out and instantly blow the phone up. Steal my phone lose most of your face.

  44. Obviously a payola by axedog · · Score: 1

    Clearly apple's ploy to reinforce the perception of desirability of their shiny iThings. It works - look at all those iSheep.

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    Sent from my Tianhe-2 (MilkyWay-2).
  45. And if my Uncle had tits, he'd be my Auntie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is there some kinda of new dope out there the NY newsies are smoking? Six degrees detached from reality, and 7 degrees from anything resembling 'reporting'. How is a dead man responsible for a crime wave?

    Did the NYC get this by scanning Steve Jobs twiitter?

  46. cell phone subsidies drive up cost T-mobile dropin by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    cell phone subsidies drive up cost T-mobile is dropping them and even when you pay full price for a iPhone over 2 years you pay less with T-mobile and get more data.

    http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2012/12/07/cell-phone-subsidies-rip.aspx
    http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2012/12/t_mobile_end_smartphone_subsidies_paying_more_for_your_phone_is_good_for.html

  47. iDiots make easier targets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At bars cafes and other places I always see iphones left unattended. Ask bartenders of all phones that get left behind; what kind is it? Why is it usually iphones? Do the owners not care? They are not price sensitive for sure. Short attention spans? Or are iUsers just plain so dumb they can't keep track of a $500 object on their person.

    If it was an envelope with $500 in cash, would they leave it out, in the wrong pocket or display it to strangers?

    I agree with the Mayor. The nurtured, cultivated and maintainence of user stupidity can't possibly help!

  48. Markup vs profit margin by pepty · · Score: 1

    I think you're thinking of the latter, he's talking about the former. Markup is based on production cost and doesn't take into account all of the other stuff.

    1. Re:Markup vs profit margin by jazuki · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Markup" (and its relative "gross margin") are defined in terms of selling price versus the cost of sale.

      For a producer, the selling price is the wholesale price, for a retailer, it is the retail price. Despite Apple's own retail presence, the vast majority of iPhone sales is through carrier and other retailers, not through Apple Stores.

      The cost of sale includes not just the production cost (materials, labor) but also supply chain, unit tariffs and royalties, shipping in, etc.

      Anyways, Apple's gross margin over all products has ranged between ~40% to ~47% percent since the rise of the iPhone. This works out to a markup of 66% to 88% across all sales. Now if we assume that iPhones are particularly profitable, with estimated margins of up to 55%, that works out to a markup of ~120%. While not bad, it isn't 200%.

        And, it doesn't include R&D, administration, marketing, legal, rent, taxes, etc., which also go against profit.

    2. Re:Markup vs profit margin by hazydave · · Score: 1

      Much simpler math: price an iPod Touch at retail. Add the extra $25-$35 worth of component cost to make that into an iPhone, and add whatever markup you'd like on top of that. That'll get you the rational MSRP Apple would charging in a world that didn't have phone "subsidies". The difference between that and the $650-$800 or whatever the MSRP actually is for your model-of-choice, Apple or Samsung or anyone else, is the fake pricing imposed by the Telco industry.

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      -Dave Haynie
  49. Simple Solution by PPH · · Score: 1

    A cover for an iPhone that makes it look like a Motorola DynaTAC.

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    Have gnu, will travel.
  50. Most ridiculous Slashdot Fandroid story ever by schnell · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Even if thieves were blind, and stealing randomly, they'd steal more iDevices than all the other brands added together.

    Precisely. BTW I'm pretty accustomed to Slashdot's ever-declining state of "quality" over the last several years, but this story takes the cake - it's 1/2 article and 1/2 ludicrous Fandroid rant that somehow the real cause of the problem of increased theft of small, highly valuable electronic devices in NYC is that Apple charges too much for the 64 GB iPhone and that somehow Google's pricing for the 8 GB Nexus 4 is the solution? Are you shitting me? Can you possibly be serious?

    Slashdot, who do do you have at the wheel these days approving stories? Is it someone that actually cares, or are they just looking for the biggest flamebait submissions they can find? Through all the ups and downs, Slashdot have been my homepage for more than a decade. Please don't make this latest acquisition the one that drives me away for good.

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    1. Re:Most ridiculous Slashdot Fandroid story ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      lashdot, who do do you have at the wheel these days approving stories? Is it someone that actually cares, or are they just looking for the biggest flamebait submissions they can find? Through all the ups and downs, Slashdot have been my homepage for more than a decade. Please don't make this latest acquisition the one that drives me away for good.

      If I didn't have the foreknowledge that Slashdot.org is now a corporate subsidiary of Dice Holdings (that shitty job site dice.com), I would say Slashdot.org sold out. That ship has obviously sailed.

      I can't even bring myself to use the hack-period symbols to reference it. Because that's actually too nerdy for what Slashdot.org is today. Stories like this bullshit one and banning proliferate posters (seriously, in 2012 who the fuck bans someone that isn't a spammer? Slashdot.org has an entire section named "Your Rights Online" that banning users literally shits on the spirit of) make me want to stop coming here.

      However, posts like yours still make it worthwhile. I hope you never get banned, braj.

    2. Re:Most ridiculous Slashdot Fandroid story ever by LinuxIsGarbage · · Score: 1

      Slashdot, who do do you have at the wheel these days approving stories? Is it someone that actually cares, or are they just looking for the biggest flamebait submissions they can find? Through all the ups and downs, Slashdot have been my homepage for more than a decade. Please don't make this latest acquisition the one that drives me away for good.

      The summary did seem jam-packed with more troll-bait than usual.

    3. Re:Most ridiculous Slashdot Fandroid story ever by Runaway1956 · · Score: 2

      Please - let's not introduce rational discussion and valid points to this discussion. Based on the title and the summary, I had just about decided that Dead Steve was much more evil that I had ever believed Living Steve to be. Now, here you go, forcing me to backtrack. Alright, Dead Steve isn't any more evil than he was living. Forget Zombie Steve, forget the invasion, forget the Apple crime conspiracy. Crap - Apple bashing threads are so fun to read!

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    4. Re:Most ridiculous Slashdot Fandroid story ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well to be fair, memory is far overpriced, not worth the extra costs

    5. Re:Most ridiculous Slashdot Fandroid story ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ^^Useless!

    6. Re:Most ridiculous Slashdot Fandroid story ever by retchdog · · Score: 1

      is there a summary of the whole banning posters thing? i hear about it often enough to pique my interest, but get lost in the drama when i try to find out more.

      are we talking dozens, or hundreds, or what? and what were their sins?

      thx.

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    7. Re:Most ridiculous Slashdot Fandroid story ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was but they banned it.

    8. Re:Most ridiculous Slashdot Fandroid story ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if thieves were blind, and stealing randomly, they'd steal more iDevices than all the other brands added together.

      Precisely. BTW I'm pretty accustomed to Slashdot's ever-declining state of "quality" over the last several years, but this story takes the cake - it's 1/2 article and 1/2 ludicrous Fandroid rant that somehow the real cause of the problem of increased theft of small, highly valuable electronic devices in NYC is that Apple charges too much for the 64 GB iPhone and that somehow Google's pricing for the 8 GB Nexus 4 is the solution? Are you shitting me? Can you possibly be serious?

      Ahh, but you can simply put a SD card into the Nex... - oh, wait, never mind.

    9. Re:Most ridiculous Slashdot Fandroid story ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Step 1: Create and log into slashdot account.
      Step 2: Block *all* stories by Timothy.
      Step 3: Profit. Or at least enjoy some semblance of sanity.

  51. This has been advice... by WGFCrafty · · Score: 1
    This has been advice to the sage for awhile.

    Tao Te Ching:

    Not exalting the gifted prevents quarrelling.
    Not collecting treasure prevents stealing.
    Not seeing desirable things prevents confusion of the heart.

    The wise therefore rule by emptying hearts and stuffing bellies,
    by weakening ambitions and strengthening bones.
    If people lack knowledge and desire,
    then intellectuals will not try to interfere.
    If nothing is done, then all will be well

  52. And in other news... by GrBear · · Score: 1

    De Beers is responsible for pricing fixing diamonds to the point where they are fashionable to steal.

    Really, this story is the most asinine thing I've ever heard of.

  53. turn off the engine of the car so passenger can't by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    turn off the engine of the car so passenger can't use phones as well??

    What about makeing a 911 call with the engine on for heat?? or useing them for GPS?? useing a GPS is safer then a big fold out map.

    2) Owners of these devices must submit finger prints, self-photos, home address, work address, to be confirmed and approved valid before these items can be bought, brought home, used, or transported.

    3) Owners must submit to training for these devices as well as medical background checks. This will ensure no dangerous or unauthorized usage of these devices occurs.

    Seems like a lot of paper work and the last thing we need is lot's of 3rd party's with SSN 2.0 also medical tests? drug tests take time and can cost $50 or more pop Bulk rates may be lower.

      Names, addresses, place of work and other information will be placed on line just what we need people call you at work with spam calls.

  54. In summary... by sdsucks · · Score: 1

    Summary: Nice things have a higher chance of being stolen than non-nice things.

    Probably the stupidest slashdot submission in awhile, and clearly the submitter has a (as usual) hard on for the ghost of Steve Jobs. Seriously, anyone that sctually tries to spin this into anti Apple BS is an idiot.

  55. Apple and Guns by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 1

    It's the guns that are responsible for the shootings. Forget Constitutional rights, just ban them and problem solved.
    It's the iPhones/Pads that are responsible for the spike in crime that makes me look bad as America's Mayor. Blame them, and the dead guy, and I'm in the clear. Without a doubt if there weren't all of these lovely iPhones and iPads all over the place criminals would stop stealing stuff altogether, so spake Mayor Bloomberg (S)*

    *(S) = the Stupid Party affiliation.

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    "It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
    1. Re:Apple and Guns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      >It's the guns that are responsible for the shootings. Forget Constitutional rights, just ban them and problem solved.
      I agree.

      Seriously, though, I know you were trolling - but did it ever occur you that maybe the authors of the constitution fucked up? Maybe it isn't a good idea to let average citizens who can have angry tempers, mean streaks, mental instability, "temporary insanity", road rage, etc. carry deadly weapons for any reason or no reason at all?!

      The reasons given are as follows:
      1. Hunting - Not realistic for most people any more.
      2. Self protection - Statistics show people with guns in the home are more likely to die by their own gun, so while it might make people *feel* better, the data doesn't back it up. They'll likely shoot a trick-or-treater, kill someone who tries to give them a surprise birthday party, or get into a shoot-out with the cops or robbers.
      3. Stopping Tyranny - yeah, that's realistic. Collect guns with the purpose of going against the government. That's called treason. Besides, the US Army has BIG guns, tanks, bunker busters, etc. Remember Waco? That was just the FBI.

      All three of the major reasons are quite frankly bullshit in this day and age. Having them around and available contributes to the death of innocent people every day. And trust me, I live in a country where they aren't allowed - and it works wonders! no shootings! who would have thought?! (And no, there aren't an equivalent number of stabbings).

    2. Re:Apple and Guns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hunting - Millions do this every year in the US with legal guns. Glad yoiu don't care about other people's past times.
      Self Protection - Check the stats. About 95% of the time a gun is used it is used to STOP a crime, to the point of around 2.5 million times a year in the US. Maybe you are a rapist and fear a target that might shoot you, other than that reason there is no other to make your false claim. Not sure why you hate women so much.

    3. Re:Apple and Guns by kiriath · · Score: 1

      Haha... THIS.

  56. It's not the cost that drives theft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's the fact that you have a population willing to steal things, violently if necessary. Apple shit isn't any cheaper here in Tokyo, and everyone carries it (or the equivalent Sony kit ) - but no problems?
    Why?
    1. It's not simply socially acceptable to steal shit.
    2. If you want it, you can go buy it yourself. There are few people poor enough they can't afford a freaking iPod, and if you steal one, who arey ou going to sell it to?
    3. The main places who would buy it are places which specialize in used electronics. They Check IDs, take down names addresses, serial numbers, etc.
    4. Nobody likes spending a long time in Jail.

  57. ERMAGHERD! by VortexCortex · · Score: 0

    I'm posting in a Troll Thread!

  58. Please kill this idiot already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sick of hearing about all the idiocy he brings into the world. And what the fuck is wrong with the people of NY for keeping him around. Fucker needs to be in jail for his involvement with "Stop and Frisk".

  59. Re:turn off the engine of the car so passenger can by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He was referring to the rules liberals keep claiming are "reasonable" for gun ownership and not a hardship to own a gun. Funny how you think it is ownerous to go through the same hoops for owning something that you want to own.

    As for the online directory of owners, it was a reference to the NY paper that released a list of all handgun license holders and their addresses about a week ago. I'm sure most people here were ok with that as well, but would be outraged if it applied to owning an I-Phone.

    Long story short, people here are a bunch of whiny hipocrites that don't hesistate to make up rules for others to live by while thinking they should be exempt.

  60. how is that being an a-hole? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Given that it costs the store real money for you to use a bank card there, why shouldn't they pss the costs on to their customers? The alternative is to just price things assuming that some percentage will use plastic, in which case those using cash are being overcharged.

  61. Has /. stooped so low... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1
    ... that sensationalist headlines are now de rigueure?

    .
    Did Mr. Bloomberg actually say that Steve Jobs was responsible for the increase in theft of personal bling devices?

  62. Let's enact some reasonable iPhone control! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Statistics say that ever since the iPhone was created, iPhone related thefts rose 100% ! Nobody needs an iPhone! Lets work together as a country and enact some reasonable iPhone control! Let's also ban guns! Guns are legal in America so gun related homicides are 100% greater than in other countries where guns are illegal! Lets work together as a country and enact some reasonable gun control! Let's also ban the internet! Ever since the internet was formed, internet pornagraphy INCREASED 100% !!! Let's do all this for the CHILDREN!!!!

    -Mayor Bloomberg

  63. Don't blame the Slashdot "Editors". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These days they're so busy trying to find submissions about and from Australia to accept and post that they don't have time to check the articles from countries about which they don't give a flying fart.

  64. You should .... by cooperaaaron · · Score: 1

    have your ass beat if you own or use anything made by Apple.... Hah hah, just joking.....maybe !!!

  65. Car stereo theft... bad summary by Ritchie70 · · Score: 1

    According to the very article linked in the summary, car stereo theft is virtually nonexistent because aftermarket car stereos are virtually nonexistent. Auto manufacturers put in good enough radios that practically nobody replaces them, and the original equipment radios only fit in that make/model/year of car.

    The cost of a radio has nothing to do with it. There's no market for a radio that only fits a couple years of (as an example) three models of Ford products. Thieves don't steal things that they can't sell.

    In some cases, there isn't really even a separate radio to steal; it's deeply integrated into the car rather than being a discrete and easily aftermarket replacable component.

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    1. Re:Car stereo theft... bad summary by nolife · · Score: 1

      Cars are a different game. They are not stolen to be sold as a whole unit. They are stripped down and sold in pieces. The most stolen cars and pieces are the ones that still have the most on the road that need the most repair parts or ones that the repair parts are very expensive. The 1989 Toyota Camry was still one of the most stolen in 2012. It's not like they are collector items or a status symbol that people must have. I don't think people are stripping down an iPhone and selling off the parts.

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  66. Would he prefer the 70's? by michaelmalak · · Score: 1

    Would Bloomberg prefer the 70's when everyone was getting mugged for their wristwatches and cash?

  67. This just in! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Expensive things that almost everyone wants, which people just walk around with in their pockets, and fiddle with in public, are prime targets for robbers!

    You don't say...

  68. Re:The real issue, Black Market CHina by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would guess the black market is probably in China.. And I think back to the craze and stories here on slashdot about china's obsession with these devices. I guess the real question to be asking isn't just price, but even with a price drop, and because of the brand, would the black market slow up due to that or only drop very slightly, as the black market in China would continue to demand the devices?

  69. Jobs != Apple by dirtyhippie · · Score: 1

    All due respect, but now that the man is deceased, can we finally stop equating everything related to Apple Inc with its former figure head?

    1. Re:Jobs != Apple by kiriath · · Score: 1

      While I agree, it would be unfortunate for him to be forgotten so swiftly. The anti-Steve-ites out there will spread his name through generations. He will live in infamy through the words of those 'smart people' who for some reason... just don't get it.

      Steve Jobs was not perfect... but at least he did something, what have you done?

    2. Re:Jobs != Apple by dirtyhippie · · Score: 1

      Yes, Jobs did something, but by equating Apple with Jobs, you are ignoring the contribution of 500,000+ Apple employees in the US alone. That's ridiculously insulting to everyone who has worked for Apple.

    3. Re:Jobs != Apple by kiriath · · Score: 1

      I will agree that Apple is more than the sum of Steve. My point was more or less only related to the jerks who continually drag his name through the mud, from their basements... on their Android devices... Android devices nobody wants to steal because they suck ass ;)

  70. What an obvious but interesting story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is happening at the university where I work -- students carrying their phones around and guess what? Someone jumps them and grabs their phone. We try to warn students but can't. Personally, I don't think this should take up government resources, but I'm not a conservative (otherwise I guess I'd be telling everyone to arm themselves with guns. I mean, that's what we need, right?!). I think companies like At&T with their fast 4g LTE, whatever networks should go in with phone manufacturers and work on something to stop the enticements or capabilities once stolen. I'm in real estate and need my phone at all times. I really don't have time for criminals!

  71. No. by Lord+Kano · · Score: 1

    Crime is up in New York, because Mayor Bloomberg's city is a toilet.

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  72. That's part of it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What we're talking about here is the risk/reward picture for stealing a phone. It can addressed by either reducing the reward, or raising the risk. If NYC and New York state both quit their obnoxious, irresponsible and unconstitutional practice of depriving innocent people of weapons, it would only take a handful of muggers getting shot before they'd look for better opportunities.

  73. anti-apple crap by pbjones · · Score: 1

    estimated cost to manufacture does not factor in cost to develop and cost of support and distribution. So how do high-end Android phones and tablets justify their prices? Anyway, it was the same with Nike shoes, GPS in cars, and Digital watches, it will all calm down until/when the next big thing comes along.

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  74. Trickle Down of Wealth? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't this the trickly down of wealth? The immense profit on top of the r&d of Apple getting redistributed by every theft? If the actual wealth of Apple would trickle down into the (US) society, the iPhone would be the same price, but all having an higher income (given the big profit makers would actually reinvest wealth so all would benefit, e.g. actual trickle down of wealth) - and because this DOES NOT work, the illegal (criminal) way tries to achieve this, skim the wealth from iPhone/Apple themselves, like an artificially overpriced resource (imagine illegal drugs).

  75. So much wrong by czernabog · · Score: 1

    There's so much wrong with the notions in this summary, it's even hard to decide where to start. First of all, Apple isn't to blame here, much less Steve Jobs, a dead man. Thieves are to blame in the very first place, and secondarily the people who are so careless with their valuable possessions. You can get your pocket picked in a huge city, who would have guessed? Second of all, reducing the prices of iDevices? Seriously? It's common knowledge that there are cheaper alternatives to Apple products, many of which offer the same benefits; a few which are even better. It's irrelevant. The huge markup in Apple products is due to the perceived prestige of the brand. People don't need platinum Patek Phillippe watches to tell the time, still they want them because they're status symbols. Apple products are entry level status symbols, but that they are nevertheless. The conclusion is that you can't have a society that highly encourages consumerism and not have the downsides that come with it, such as exaggeratedly expensive items and people who can't afford them, and yet feel the need to obtain them by other means.

  76. cheap escuse of lazy politician by Kkloe · · Score: 0

    as they would be probably be stealing something else instead

  77. Re:The real issue is blindness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Empirical evidence tends to support the statistical data.

  78. Dramatic price cuts didn't kill car stereo theft. by mark_reh · · Score: 2, Informative

    Including a stereo in every car killed the theft. Once everyone had stereo in their car, there was no one who needed to buy stolen units.

    I'll never understand the appeal of iPhones. My wife had one (a 3GS) for three years on AT&T. It didn't work for phone calls most of the time, and data was so slow it was almost useless. She recently changed to Verizon and got an iPhone 5. Doh! The iPhone 5 can't understand her speech input (she has a slight Japanese accent), when she got it google maps was gone and the Apple maps thing was crap. Every time she called me with the 3GS (when it worked), there was about a 3 or 4 second delay before my audio would get through to her. I'd answer, say hello, and wait, and wait, and wait, until eventually she'd hear me and start talking. I'm not sure if the 5 has the same problem.

    What is it about iPhones that keeps people buying them even when they have so many problems? It's as if Apple keeps sending out alpha or beta test stuff and people happily pay through the nose to find out what works and what doesn't this time around.

  79. In other news... by pubwvj · · Score: 1

    In other news Bloomberg blames women wearing revealing cloths for getting raped. "They should cover themselves up head-to-toe to prevent men from lusting after them." Bloomberg says. He goes on to suggest "if they were fatter and ugly then they wouldn't get raped, its their own fault. Eat more sugary super sized sodas!" In other news, sales of black cloth up.

  80. Time to ban iDevices by SNMPguy · · Score: 0

    Well, based on the article, I guess it's time to ban iDevices. That's the only way to solve this, according to our congressional leadership. Rather than attack the heart issues or fix the personal accountability we have to get rid of the item. Then the only people that will have iDevices are the criminals.

    1. Re:Time to ban iDevices by chasm22 · · Score: 1

      I, for one , believe Apple has a clear path to solving this and a moral obligation to take action to defend their customers from these low-lifes. I am speaking of guns of course, since how else can any wrong be righted? I think any clear thinking individual can see that part of the problem with guns is the industry has been dominated by a few companies whose ideas stagnated during the middle-ages . Introducing the new kid on the block--Apple! The mere idea of a new iGun every year sends me aTwitter! Full-size iGuns, mini-iGuns. Imagine the look on that wanna-be iDevice thief when you pull your full auto(heh, we don't want to bother an Apple customer with choices)mini-iGun out and sweep the street with it. Hard to teach a better life lesson that. Or maybe that should be lifeless lesson. One thing I've learned over the years is some Apple owners take a shot better than others, if you know what I mean. All joking aside, what other company is out there that has the cajones to take someone else's design, dress it up(also called trade dress) and sell it as something you just have to have .

  81. Re:Dramatic price cuts didn't kill car stereo thef by Mr_Silver · · Score: 2

    What is it about iPhones that keeps people buying them even when they have so many problems?

    I hate to break it to you but they probably don't have those problems.

    I've gone through a 3G, a 4, a 4S and now a 5 and I've not experienced any of the issues you describe. My friends don't have those problems either. On that basis, I don't think it's too unreasonable to suggest she's probably got a duff handset - it happens.

    My advice is to install Google Maps onto her phone (yeah, we know Apple Maps is rubbish) and if she's still having problems with the 5 then take it back to an Apple store.

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  82. Non-whites are to blame... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... and everybody knows it.

  83. That's not what he said by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 1

    Bloomberg: Steve Jobs Behind NYC Crime Wave

    This is not what he said, and the title of the story being linked is this:

    Crime Is Up and Bloomberg Blames iPhone Thieves

    But let's not get these significant semantic differences get in the way of publishing mindless, attention-whoring, National-Inquisitor-like headlines.

  84. Re:turn off the engine of the car so passenger can by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You just proved the point of the parent post.

  85. Isn't stealing an iPhone rather stupid? by davesag · · Score: 1

    I have read of a number of cases now where idiot thieves have stolen someone's iPhone, only to find the cops rock up at their place because the owner has looked up the location using 'find my phone' and reported that to the cops. Typically, in the stories I have read, the cops then find a whole load of other stolen stuff and evidence of further criminal activity. So it begs the question, who would be dumb enough to steal a device that knows where it is and that is capable of sharing that information with its owner? I assume 'droids and 'dows mobiles have an analogous feature.

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  86. They want you to lose or have your devices stolen. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why? So they can sell you a new device. Apple as well as the carriers and other manufacturers could easily stop the proliferation of phone theft, by enabling the tracking of the device in hardware, but they don't. Each device has Unique identifier and most devices have GPS, it would be very easily to build a tracking mechanism that could be activated if the device was reported lost or stolen by the registered owner, that should still work even after a factory reset or in the case of android a new rom was flashed. They could do this but they don't want to. The carrier is happy to sell you a new device at a non-subsidized price and they are happy to activate stolen devices. The same goes for Apple. They don't care if you lose your device or if you get it back, they are happy to sell you a new one though. If this was law, that forced device makers and carriers to enable the device owner or police to track the stolen device, phone and tablet theft would pretty much disappear overnight. It would become too risky for thieves. But once again, that probably won't ever happen.

  87. If it wasn't for these crimes happening by Eightbitgnosis · · Score: 1

    then we would have low crime?

  88. Re:Dramatic price cuts didn't kill car stereo thef by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have and have had ONE "smart" phone. This is over only 18 months. If I had had 4 Androids (debut Sept 2008) since the 3G came out (June 2008), then that would be a problem for me.

    My needs are simple, however. Nor do I seek or expect much residual value for my old devices (e.g., my last non-smart phone is my current shower timer, 911 phone, and "activate" phone if ever I needed an ASAP swap).