Most of those people are hired and paid by Red Hat to code what Red Hat envision.
What happens right now is the biggest and most agressive consolidations process since the existance of Linux.
systemd and jounald as coreOS that consolidates all we had known. Logging, inetd, sysvinit, timed, udevd, ipc etc.
Gnome3 for dumb people as main Desktop dealing a lot with systems.
Kernel that now implemented kdbus to explicitly communicate to systemd.
Wayland to replace X11 to work close to Gnome3.
All a big consolidation!
linux (kdbus) -> systemd -> wayland / gnome3
What remains from what we know ? Nothing!
I am not against consolidation but I am against this sort of agressive behaviour!
In 2-3 years nothing remains that reminds of Linux to be Unix related.
Even worse there are talks to have some sort of iPhone or Android like package mechanism to place apps with all deps (libs etc) in a sandbox within an apps directory. Even systemd already provides dealing with that.
What kind of OS is that?
What's wrong with a sandbox? For application developers it is now easier to target only one platform "Linux" regardless of distribution. Are you telling me you never ran into a problem when you ran across a tool or application and find out that the only packages available are for Ubuntu, and you had to go and compile the thing yourself? Then spend about 2 hours because it didn't quite work right. Come on...
You have every right to express it, but it won't change anything unless you happen to be a working on the kernel. You'll have to trust that they are doing the right thing.
You should see what happens when Linus is in your talk. Same damn thing, albeit without the drinking. The guy was all over X guys over some stuff he had a pet peeve about.
Surely, all you really need is something like fvwm2 or something right? I mean, two bars, some extra stuff, and you're good right? The only thing is that you don't have compiz effects. But otherwise, you'll probably have a pretty useful desktop with full control.
KDbus is being done by Greg K-H of Linux Foundation. There are some good reasons for having a kernel bus. The first rev was killed, but the second rev is being worked on. Linus has already signed off on getting this integrated. It's just a matter of working out the details. A lot of this is driven by desktop projects, so things like smooth transition to a login screen, wayland, application sandboxing are good reasons to have it.
You realize that a lot of systemd is supported by kernel developers. These things just don't get integrated by accident. The kernel has features, kernel devs want them used. If you want classic Unix, go head over to the BSD world.
I'm glad you found a DE that works for you. But let's not prevent other projects from forming their own vision. Hardware and software do not sit still they will involve, you might even your work will involve as well. Nobody manages the same environment forever, eventually things change. For that, it is good to have forward thinking projects out there showcasing that.
Except, you really have a lot of fragmentation. GNOME 3 and others will continue to march on and these forks will continue to struggle to keep up. It might become easier once Mate moves to GKT3, but once Wayland becomes the primary display server technology, a lot of desktop projects will struggle to keep up.
Not likely, because FOSS community is married to the old ways. They want high quality, but they dont' want to lose any of familiar bastions of computing while doing so. Quality just means re-arranging the deck chairs so it looks nice. FOSS doesn't actually encourage innovation, but actually works to maintain status quo. Just read the comments on this thread.
Can you imagine, walking around and knowing all the casual information about someone? What about criminal? Let's say due to some bullshit you're on a sex offender list and walking around in a mall? Seriously, you're life would be over if accidently you ended up on a sex offender list. Jeezus.. This is just playing with fire.
Indeed. A lot of this is because someone interpreted in the Bible that if you take your own life you will go to Hell. But the thing is that the lives here are being extended artificially. More ever, slowly draining the funds away from you as well.
sri
Oregon has legal assistant suicide, the first in the nation to have these laws. You can plan and die peacefully in Oregon with your choice of a death cocktail.
Uh, as an Oregonian the reason is because more than most states Oregon is embracing electric cars and the green economy more than any other state. Thre is a rapidly expanding network of electric chargers that would make California jealous. I see mroe and more Nissan Leaf's out there. There is even a Tesla in my parking lot. So, essentially, there has to be another way to pay for the highway maintenance. What is unfair is the fact that all those people travelling through the state are not going to be paying their fair share. So Oregonians areshoulding everything instead of everyone.
Re: privacy
Liberals are just as paranoid of government tracking them (if not more so) than conservatives. Conservatives don't mind being tracked if it is to protect the homeland. Just look at all the shit with the patriot act and various other stuff Bush has put out there. Now, regardless someone still have to op
No, actually I don't believe that at all. This is a silly projection on your fault. Most of these guys have gone off the deep end. You're already thinking in a partisan manner and you need to learn to step back and look at things as a back and forth. Democrats are more likely to negotiate since our tent is pretty broad since they have all manner of people like myself there.
I used to be an independent and now I'm a democrat. Sometimes you have to pick a side and work to put better politicians.
Ah yes, the both sides do it argument. How quaint. There is only one party here that is using questionable tactics. The democrats are correct to refuse to play this game. Do you really want to set a precedent where whoever is in charge of the house can defund anything they want by holding the economy and government hostage? They holding the value of the dollar hostage. It might be that outsiders might decide they want a more stable currency than the U.S. dollar. Then we will be up shit creek.
Obama has been bending backwards trying to appease these clowns. They only are trying it again because they thought it worked last time. Now they are backed in a corner because they thought the democrats would cave.
Show us the links, man where these waivers are being reported. I'm not just taking your word for it. A respectful journal, not Red State.
It's the tyrannical of the minority because there are R's who also do not believe in shutting down the government to do this. The damn thing was ruled constitutional by the supreme court. So it's been ruled. There is no conspiracy here. The bill went through the normal channels. Republicans are trying to use something that is generally procedural to turn back the clock. It is holding the entire economic power of the U.S. hostage. They are mad.
Let me know if you support this tactic when the Dems have control of the house as they some day will. Setting a precedent for this kind of thing is dangerous. There is plenty information on the internet on why this is a very bad idea.
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Most of those people are hired and paid by Red Hat to code what Red Hat envision.
What happens right now is the biggest and most agressive consolidations process since the existance of Linux.
systemd and jounald as coreOS that consolidates all we had known. Logging, inetd, sysvinit, timed, udevd, ipc etc.
Gnome3 for dumb people as main Desktop dealing a lot with systems. Kernel that now implemented kdbus to explicitly communicate to systemd.
Wayland to replace X11 to work close to Gnome3.
All a big consolidation!
linux (kdbus) -> systemd -> wayland / gnome3
What remains from what we know ? Nothing!
I am not against consolidation but I am against this sort of agressive behaviour!
In 2-3 years nothing remains that reminds of Linux to be Unix related. Even worse there are talks to have some sort of iPhone or Android like package mechanism to place apps with all deps (libs etc) in a sandbox within an apps directory. Even systemd already provides dealing with that.
What kind of OS is that?
What's wrong with a sandbox? For application developers it is now easier to target only one platform "Linux" regardless of distribution. Are you telling me you never ran into a problem when you ran across a tool or application and find out that the only packages available are for Ubuntu, and you had to go and compile the thing yourself? Then spend about 2 hours because it didn't quite work right. Come on...
You have every right to express it, but it won't change anything unless you happen to be a working on the kernel. You'll have to trust that they are doing the right thing.
What will you do?
You should see what happens when Linus is in your talk. Same damn thing, albeit without the drinking. The guy was all over X guys over some stuff he had a pet peeve about.
We'll have Greg K-H talk to you personally. Without your sign off, it'll be unlikely Linus will integrate it without overriding your objections.
Surely, all you really need is something like fvwm2 or something right? I mean, two bars, some extra stuff, and you're good right? The only thing is that you don't have compiz effects. But otherwise, you'll probably have a pretty useful desktop with full control.
Linux is not Unix. It has gone way off the POSIX standard for some time now.
KDbus is being done by Greg K-H of Linux Foundation. There are some good reasons for having a kernel bus. The first rev was killed, but the second rev is being worked on. Linus has already signed off on getting this integrated. It's just a matter of working out the details. A lot of this is driven by desktop projects, so things like smooth transition to a login screen, wayland, application sandboxing are good reasons to have it.
You realize that a lot of systemd is supported by kernel developers. These things just don't get integrated by accident. The kernel has features, kernel devs want them used. If you want classic Unix, go head over to the BSD world.
I'm glad you found a DE that works for you. But let's not prevent other projects from forming their own vision. Hardware and software do not sit still they will involve, you might even your work will involve as well. Nobody manages the same environment forever, eventually things change. For that, it is good to have forward thinking projects out there showcasing that.
Except, you really have a lot of fragmentation. GNOME 3 and others will continue to march on and these forks will continue to struggle to keep up. It might become easier once Mate moves to GKT3, but once Wayland becomes the primary display server technology, a lot of desktop projects will struggle to keep up.
Not likely, because FOSS community is married to the old ways. They want high quality, but they dont' want to lose any of familiar bastions of computing while doing so. Quality just means re-arranging the deck chairs so it looks nice. FOSS doesn't actually encourage innovation, but actually works to maintain status quo. Just read the comments on this thread.
Can you imagine, walking around and knowing all the casual information about someone? What about criminal? Let's say due to some bullshit you're on a sex offender list and walking around in a mall? Seriously, you're life would be over if accidently you ended up on a sex offender list. Jeezus.. This is just playing with fire.
Actually, in the 70s and the 80s, they also had 30 seconds of a preview of the episode as well. :)
Indeed. A lot of this is because someone interpreted in the Bible that if you take your own life you will go to Hell. But the thing is that the lives here are being extended artificially. More ever, slowly draining the funds away from you as well. sri
Oregon has legal assistant suicide, the first in the nation to have these laws. You can plan and die peacefully in Oregon with your choice of a death cocktail.
Yep, you are correct.
Would you prefer 'equitable' instead? :-)
Right, so you don't mind being taxes raised in order to support highways right?
Uh, as an Oregonian the reason is because more than most states Oregon is embracing electric cars and the green economy more than any other state. Thre is a rapidly expanding network of electric chargers that would make California jealous. I see mroe and more Nissan Leaf's out there. There is even a Tesla in my parking lot. So, essentially, there has to be another way to pay for the highway maintenance. What is unfair is the fact that all those people travelling through the state are not going to be paying their fair share. So Oregonians areshoulding everything instead of everyone. Re: privacy Liberals are just as paranoid of government tracking them (if not more so) than conservatives. Conservatives don't mind being tracked if it is to protect the homeland. Just look at all the shit with the patriot act and various other stuff Bush has put out there. Now, regardless someone still have to op
Oh brother. Yeah, both sides do it. False equivalency. Only one party was willing to go the edge.
That's because what so called conservatives are calling conservative is not but reactionary politics.
No, actually I don't believe that at all. This is a silly projection on your fault. Most of these guys have gone off the deep end. You're already thinking in a partisan manner and you need to learn to step back and look at things as a back and forth. Democrats are more likely to negotiate since our tent is pretty broad since they have all manner of people like myself there. I used to be an independent and now I'm a democrat. Sometimes you have to pick a side and work to put better politicians.
Ah yes, the both sides do it argument. How quaint. There is only one party here that is using questionable tactics. The democrats are correct to refuse to play this game. Do you really want to set a precedent where whoever is in charge of the house can defund anything they want by holding the economy and government hostage? They holding the value of the dollar hostage. It might be that outsiders might decide they want a more stable currency than the U.S. dollar. Then we will be up shit creek. Obama has been bending backwards trying to appease these clowns. They only are trying it again because they thought it worked last time. Now they are backed in a corner because they thought the democrats would cave.
Show us the links, man where these waivers are being reported. I'm not just taking your word for it. A respectful journal, not Red State. It's the tyrannical of the minority because there are R's who also do not believe in shutting down the government to do this. The damn thing was ruled constitutional by the supreme court. So it's been ruled. There is no conspiracy here. The bill went through the normal channels. Republicans are trying to use something that is generally procedural to turn back the clock. It is holding the entire economic power of the U.S. hostage. They are mad. Let me know if you support this tactic when the Dems have control of the house as they some day will. Setting a precedent for this kind of thing is dangerous. There is plenty information on the internet on why this is a very bad idea.