You're in the middle of changing desktops. What does it matter if the graphic is really large? For that instant, it's not blocking anything? So for you in particular you want to adjust it, well that's why there are extensions so that you can adjust the desktop to the way you want it. That's how open source works.
I think in this case, it's not hacking I think it's just some css adjustment for it. Most people believe it or not do not find it a problem because as I pointed out, for that split second your moving workspaces you're not focusing on anything and nothing is blocking. You are though looking to see which workspace you're going to be on. And for people with different resolutions, different visual abilities it's better to make it larger.
Negative talk sells. In every release of GNOME 2, it was received negatively on slashdot. It would be the same crap despite the fact that it was the default DE on most distros. Happy people don't bitch on the internet they are busy doing their work.
You can't create a tablet UI if you don't have touch capabilities so the design is around keyboard and mouse. Just because it has a passing look to android doesn't mean it acts like android.
You did not address the failure of applets taking hold for the length of time. Just because there is no extensions doesn't mean one won't be created. Perhaps you should be involved and ask if someone is willing to write some of it. Or you could like participate in open source and scratch your itch, pick up javascript and write one.
I'm sorry that's not true. I find it hard to believe that you've used GNOME 3 with such statement. You do not have to be *precise* about what application you have to launch. That's the point. Just think of it as a task and use generic terms and it'll show up. And absolutely you can browse all your apps, even under categories. I suggest you try 3.8 when it comes out and try again. Or perhaps not bother get involved in such threads especially if you've "washed your hands of gnome 3".
can you file a bug? We certainly don't want to see tendonitis (or whatever) while using the interface. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/ and file against gnome-shell.
It's nice to hear these comments. Slashdot has never traditionally been happy with GNOME since 1.4. It just becomes common nomenclature to bash GNOME for the same set of sins without really delving into why something is being done critically.
Canonical had already pre-determined that they were going to do their own thing. Mark has the gall to even say that they had come with the design first. As you can see that Canonical is moving Unity to QT. The situation was similar to the whole Mir/Wayland split. It's practically the same MO.
But losing Ubuntu did increase market share, that's for certain. It would have been nice to have worked canonical but such as it is.
Also remember, Google is also jumped on the touch screen with their chromebook pixel.
Microsoft has every reason to keep pushing as part of their OS, what their design would be useless.
Perhaps I haven't had enough soak time with win 8. But Unity and GNOME doesn't seem to have much in common with Win 8. Unless you're talking about that touch screen interface thing that lets you zoom into different tasks? In any case, there are plenty of people to defend Unity.
I work on a floor where most of the floor is using Fedora 17/18 running GNOME 3. No complaints. Again, you can get most of the classic experience back even now by going to extensions.gnome.org.
Dude, it's software and open source. GNOME 2 when it started was a wreck. Same kind of problems. Hell, same complaints when GNOME 3 came out. This site in particular was in the forefront of flaming the living hell out of the GNOME project. Like everything, each release gets better. Perhaps you didn't read the release notes, but animations was one of the things that was being improved.
It took till GNOME 2.12 to really start cooking. Maybe you should ignore GNOME until then.
Well, that's fine, you can use whatever works for you. But don't jump to a conclusion that your opinions are somehow the majority. You don't have the data to justify that claim. I suspect you used it for all of one day and didn't give it a chance because it wasn't like the old way. I've been able to find every app I wanted without a problem. Yes, there are probably some issues, but that's just a matter of evolving the software to be better. GNOME 2 didn't start out that great either did it?
What you mean you've never gone out and download and installed a utility that was not part of the standard OS? There is no difference. Who cares if it is standard or not if you're able to modify the behavior to what you want? The end result should be that you're productive. Stop worrying about whether it's part of the OS or not. It's like complaining that you didn't get the most awesome car stereo in your new car and you had to go out and get an aftermarket.
Did you take a look of what kind of applets are out there? You probably are using maybe two tops and everything else is a rehash of the same 5-6 apps. Extensiosn are the new applets and they are a lot more powerful and you can change things quite extensively. You're looking at "innovation" as some kind of negative buzz word. The point here is that applets had limited functionality, had no documentation, and suffered from a number of technical faults that made programming them hard.
GNOME isn't aping anybody. yes, there are some parallels because both are reading from the same design sources. But GNOME distinctively different in look and feel from every other desktop on there. That fact is apparent if you bothered to try using it for more than 1 day and actually attempted to work within the system. At least I can thank you for not calling it a tablet os.
Sort of. In order to evolve the desktop for new hardware you have to have a desktop that isn't so rigid and also uses the building blocks of the web. So, we use javascript, css, and c libraries. Of course, you can use other languages, but this is the prime platform for applications. This works well with where development is going in tech. As well, hardware is starting to get touch sensitive for laptop screens, possibly gps and so forth. With all this new capabilities coming in, do you really think a design that started in 1995 (yes all this stuff came from windows) is going to absorb it?
Let's look at the marketing angle as well. GNOME 3 is a fresh new face, whereas XFCE, Mate, and others are all part of a ui design from an older era. Do you think younger folks are going to gravitate to the old design or to the new one as a matter of visual appeal? Designing for today will get you a dwindling user set. It might make sense to take a risk and work towards younger and upcoming users. In the end, everyone is going to be ending up on a UI that is going to take advantage of new hardware capabilities and the old stuff is going to quickly go.
Well, I have been using it just fine and my tech credentials is as good as anybody. I don't even use nautilus I use command line for my file manipulations. But I find GNOME 3 works just fine. You're used to doing something in a particular way and you're unhappy because it doesn't fit your model. I'm willing to change some of how i interact with my computer to get the benefits. You'll realize you do this as well when the benefits outweigh the cost of re-learning something.
So your criticism is not enough proof to invalidate the design since I can find plenty of people who like it and work just fine. Your terminal example I can find just fine, as I use teh alt-tab to do that just like I did with GNOME 2. Hell I used an extension to revert it back to the old gnome 2 behavior so that I can use it just like before, that's how I found terminals before. No change there.
GNOME 3 is nothing like Win 8. So I don't know what you're talking about.
That's fine, use what you want of course.:-) I was just making sure you knew about it. I use gnote myself and it works pretty nicely for me. I don't mind mono myself. It's all good.
Why? Applets sucked. In the 10 years we had applets, there was hardly anything innovative coming out of it. It had a lot of problems. The extensions are going to be a lot more interesting as time goes on. Once the api stablizes, I can see some interesting stuff coming out of it.
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You're in the middle of changing desktops. What does it matter if the graphic is really large? For that instant, it's not blocking anything? So for you in particular you want to adjust it, well that's why there are extensions so that you can adjust the desktop to the way you want it. That's how open source works. I think in this case, it's not hacking I think it's just some css adjustment for it. Most people believe it or not do not find it a problem because as I pointed out, for that split second your moving workspaces you're not focusing on anything and nothing is blocking. You are though looking to see which workspace you're going to be on. And for people with different resolutions, different visual abilities it's better to make it larger.
Negative talk sells. In every release of GNOME 2, it was received negatively on slashdot. It would be the same crap despite the fact that it was the default DE on most distros. Happy people don't bitch on the internet they are busy doing their work. You can't create a tablet UI if you don't have touch capabilities so the design is around keyboard and mouse. Just because it has a passing look to android doesn't mean it acts like android. You did not address the failure of applets taking hold for the length of time. Just because there is no extensions doesn't mean one won't be created. Perhaps you should be involved and ask if someone is willing to write some of it. Or you could like participate in open source and scratch your itch, pick up javascript and write one.
shhh... let them stay there. they are happy. :-)
Things are changing because hardware is changing.
The changes had nothing to do with Linus. We don't jump because Linus says so. That said, we've had plenty of rational conversations with Linus.
I'm sorry that's not true. I find it hard to believe that you've used GNOME 3 with such statement. You do not have to be *precise* about what application you have to launch. That's the point. Just think of it as a task and use generic terms and it'll show up. And absolutely you can browse all your apps, even under categories. I suggest you try 3.8 when it comes out and try again. Or perhaps not bother get involved in such threads especially if you've "washed your hands of gnome 3".
In 3.8, there is a cmmonly used set of apps as well so you can probably find a much smaller number of apps to browse of things you use often.
great non-sequitur.
can you file a bug? We certainly don't want to see tendonitis (or whatever) while using the interface. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/ and file against gnome-shell.
It's nice to hear these comments. Slashdot has never traditionally been happy with GNOME since 1.4. It just becomes common nomenclature to bash GNOME for the same set of sins without really delving into why something is being done critically.
Haha, this is why I love slashdot. Truly, the most funny, silly comment. I like keeping a database of such great quips.
if I had mod points I would have totally up pointed you. This is an excellent analysis. thank you for posting it.
Canonical had already pre-determined that they were going to do their own thing. Mark has the gall to even say that they had come with the design first. As you can see that Canonical is moving Unity to QT. The situation was similar to the whole Mir/Wayland split. It's practically the same MO. But losing Ubuntu did increase market share, that's for certain. It would have been nice to have worked canonical but such as it is. Also remember, Google is also jumped on the touch screen with their chromebook pixel. Microsoft has every reason to keep pushing as part of their OS, what their design would be useless.
Perhaps I haven't had enough soak time with win 8. But Unity and GNOME doesn't seem to have much in common with Win 8. Unless you're talking about that touch screen interface thing that lets you zoom into different tasks? In any case, there are plenty of people to defend Unity. I work on a floor where most of the floor is using Fedora 17/18 running GNOME 3. No complaints. Again, you can get most of the classic experience back even now by going to extensions.gnome.org.
Dude, it's software and open source. GNOME 2 when it started was a wreck. Same kind of problems. Hell, same complaints when GNOME 3 came out. This site in particular was in the forefront of flaming the living hell out of the GNOME project. Like everything, each release gets better. Perhaps you didn't read the release notes, but animations was one of the things that was being improved. It took till GNOME 2.12 to really start cooking. Maybe you should ignore GNOME until then.
Well, that's fine, you can use whatever works for you. But don't jump to a conclusion that your opinions are somehow the majority. You don't have the data to justify that claim. I suspect you used it for all of one day and didn't give it a chance because it wasn't like the old way. I've been able to find every app I wanted without a problem. Yes, there are probably some issues, but that's just a matter of evolving the software to be better. GNOME 2 didn't start out that great either did it?
What you mean you've never gone out and download and installed a utility that was not part of the standard OS? There is no difference. Who cares if it is standard or not if you're able to modify the behavior to what you want? The end result should be that you're productive. Stop worrying about whether it's part of the OS or not. It's like complaining that you didn't get the most awesome car stereo in your new car and you had to go out and get an aftermarket.
Did you take a look of what kind of applets are out there? You probably are using maybe two tops and everything else is a rehash of the same 5-6 apps. Extensiosn are the new applets and they are a lot more powerful and you can change things quite extensively. You're looking at "innovation" as some kind of negative buzz word. The point here is that applets had limited functionality, had no documentation, and suffered from a number of technical faults that made programming them hard. GNOME isn't aping anybody. yes, there are some parallels because both are reading from the same design sources. But GNOME distinctively different in look and feel from every other desktop on there. That fact is apparent if you bothered to try using it for more than 1 day and actually attempted to work within the system. At least I can thank you for not calling it a tablet os.
Sort of. In order to evolve the desktop for new hardware you have to have a desktop that isn't so rigid and also uses the building blocks of the web. So, we use javascript, css, and c libraries. Of course, you can use other languages, but this is the prime platform for applications. This works well with where development is going in tech. As well, hardware is starting to get touch sensitive for laptop screens, possibly gps and so forth. With all this new capabilities coming in, do you really think a design that started in 1995 (yes all this stuff came from windows) is going to absorb it? Let's look at the marketing angle as well. GNOME 3 is a fresh new face, whereas XFCE, Mate, and others are all part of a ui design from an older era. Do you think younger folks are going to gravitate to the old design or to the new one as a matter of visual appeal? Designing for today will get you a dwindling user set. It might make sense to take a risk and work towards younger and upcoming users. In the end, everyone is going to be ending up on a UI that is going to take advantage of new hardware capabilities and the old stuff is going to quickly go.
Well, I have been using it just fine and my tech credentials is as good as anybody. I don't even use nautilus I use command line for my file manipulations. But I find GNOME 3 works just fine. You're used to doing something in a particular way and you're unhappy because it doesn't fit your model. I'm willing to change some of how i interact with my computer to get the benefits. You'll realize you do this as well when the benefits outweigh the cost of re-learning something. So your criticism is not enough proof to invalidate the design since I can find plenty of people who like it and work just fine. Your terminal example I can find just fine, as I use teh alt-tab to do that just like I did with GNOME 2. Hell I used an extension to revert it back to the old gnome 2 behavior so that I can use it just like before, that's how I found terminals before. No change there. GNOME 3 is nothing like Win 8. So I don't know what you're talking about.
That's fine, use what you want of course. :-) I was just making sure you knew about it. I use gnote myself and it works pretty nicely for me. I don't mind mono myself. It's all good.
Why don't you go to extensions.gnome.org and see if there is something suitable?
You know there is 'gnote' which is a non-mono version of Tomboy, right?
Man, that's a long time to be emo about something like this. That changed happened what? 12 years ago?
Why? Applets sucked. In the 10 years we had applets, there was hardly anything innovative coming out of it. It had a lot of problems. The extensions are going to be a lot more interesting as time goes on. Once the api stablizes, I can see some interesting stuff coming out of it.