Not necessarily. If you use ONLY Delphi/Kylix libraries, that's probably true. As soon as you make a raw Win32 API call, forget it. Dollars to donuts says the thing won't compile under Kylix. I have no practical experience trying to get Delphi apps to compile on Kylix (yet), but based on what I know about writing other stuff cross-platform, and combining that with my knowledge of Delphi, that's my story and I'm sticking too it.:)
Right. Serial port stuff is another issue. Most of the serial port stuff that I've seen written was either written years ago, or based off of stuff that was written years ago. What you'd have to do, more than likely is either find a serial port library that wraps around OS functionality, or write one yourself.
'nix and NT handle serial ports very differently, and I doubt that such a library exists. Writing one should not be too difficult because serial port stuff is really basic anyways...you have data going in and data going out, it doesn't get more complicated than that.:)
Ok. The new District Court judge in this case ordered Microsoft, the DOJ and 19 states to enter into settlement talks. In a settlement, the parties basically agree to drop the case and enter into a consent decree (a contract), that would be by entered into the court's documents on the case and signed and ordered by the judge.
It's much better for all concerned to enter into a settlement, because each party will get something that they want, since this is a negotiated contract. And it's better for the court system, because the case will be off the docket and not tying up the court system needlessly.
While Micros~1 and the DOJ agreed some terms for this consent decree, several states still refused to sign off as of yesterday (Tuesday). That was the deadline that the judge gave for the parties to settle before she would continue with the case and enter the penalty phase.
So as of Today (11/7), several states still have not signed off. THat means that the judge will continue into the penalty phase. There will be no deal, no consent decree. The judge will arbitrarily rule what must be done, unless she adopts the consent decree which was written. That is not likely to happen, because several of the plantiffs (the states), refused to sign that consent decree, so that means if she adopts that, those states will either appeal the case or ask that the verdict be set aside, a new judge be assigned (on the basis of bias, most likely) and the case retried. Nobody wants this, so she's likely to write her own ruling.
Would the US Judisary take account of none US Citesens.
In a case about that's between the United States and Microsoft, a U.S. domestic corporation?
To be honest with you, none. Microsoft's business dealings abroad are, under our legal system, best dealt with by the governments of those countries in which Microsoft does business. Basically, the U.S. court system doesn't think it should meddle in the affairs of other sovereign states, and both the history of precedence and written law confirm that sentiment. And I think rightly so. If Microsoft is behaving badly abroad, it would and right should be up to your government to deal with that in a way that it sees fit.
The U.S. government should go around telling other countries how to run their affairs. (Ok, you can stop snickering now!;-) )
What we can tell her that the Court might actually listen to is this: how can Microsoft wiggle through loopholes? A consent decree is, when you get down to it, code. Legal rather than computer code, but code nonetheless. Let's apply the famous myriad eyeballs to finding bugs in the code here, and tell the Court in clear terms (as the Samba team have) just how it's broken.
Well, that's just it. It won't be a consent decree, it will be a court-imposed penalty. What penalties the court will be allowed to give is unclear to me, but I'm fairly certain that the court-imposed penalties will be much harsher than anything the DOJ and Microsoft and 19 states were going to work out together.
Of course, the ruling itself will be like code, yes. The question is, how good is the judge at writing said code? Because Microsoft, unlike in the case of a consent decree, will have no say in what goes into that penalty whatsoever. But neither will the DOJ or anyone else but the judge really, unless she solicits their opinions on what the penalty should be or unless she adopts the consent decree in draft form, but I don't see either one of those happening.
Also, said ruling won't be available until the judge writes it. Which AFAIK won't be until *after* the 60-day comment period mandated by the Tunney Act.
So we could pick apart the consent decree, but there's no guarantee that's what she'll use and in fact it's probably NOT what she'll use.
If we are going to have globalization of business profit making, should we not also have globalization of ethical awareness too ?
Well, from the article:
Lost in this confrontation is the idea that Democracy isn't only about multi-national markets, cheap labor and business opportunities. It's about the liberation of information, freedom of religious and cultural choice, and a brorader value system with a complex civic structure.
Ethical awareness comes into play with that. When you have greater freedoms, you also have greater responsibilities.
Think about an employee in the trenches (generally little freedom) vs. the CEO (lots of freedom). THat CEO has more responsibilities that go alont with that freedom, though.
If you're given freedom of speech, then you also have to take responsbility for what you say. If you're given freedom to bear arms, then you have to take responsibility for what you do with those arms. If your'e given freedom of religion, then you have to take the responsibility of choosing a religion (or lack thereof) that suits you and you have the responsibility not infringe on others' right to choose and excercise their religion either.
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Heh. I almost downloaded this thinking it was a KDE version of Mozilla.:)
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I knew some smarta$$ was going to say that...:)
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Calling MS-DOS an operating system is stretching the concept quite a bit.
DOS was nothing but a glorified interrupt handler. It wasn't unstable, since there was practically nothing to be unstable with.
Hmmm? You seem to be saying it didn't support multitasking or protected memory so it wasn't operating system. By your definition, CP/M isn't an operating system, Apple DOS and Apple ProDOS aren't operating systems.
What is an OS? An interface between the application program and the hardware right?
DOS was all of that. It had an API even (INT 21h). It did the file management, disk access functions, even some rudimentary memory management. (Better memory management came in later releases. EMM386.EXE is surely part of DOS, right?:-)
cmd.exe is NOT DOS. Let's not even get into the fact that even command.com isn't DOS either. cmd.exe, if you examine the header, you will find it to have the letters 'PE' in the header, signifying that it is a Win32 console application, rather than a DOS application.
cmd.exe is a Win32 console application that is designed to somewhat emulate DOS. But it is no more DOS than Wine is Windows.
And as for command.com, command.com is no more DOS than bash is Linux. command.com is a DOS application that gives you a shell to work in, much like bash, when compiled on Linux, is a Linux application that gives you a shell to work in. Sorry, I lied, we did get into it.:)
Unfortunately all the hard-core/Linux geeks spaz when they see something like this, with a Fisher-Price® GUI and "useless" fading menu effects, etc, but this is the garbage Linux will need to become a wide-spread home operating system.
Sure, I'm going out tonight to buy XP, but only because my gaming machine is 98, and I'd like a bit more stability in it.
I hope for your sake you have a lot a horsepower and that your games will run on the XP box. A lot of games don't seem to run on Windows 2000 for some reason, and XP is based on 2000.
windows is a major part of computing and of history. many people who work it IT have to come in to contact with windows (like it or not).
What? I haven't come in contact with Windows at all...
An exception OE has occurred at 0028:C2A4785E in VxD tcpip(01) + 00001EBE.
This was called from 0028:C001AE74 in VxD NDIS(01) + 0000378C. It may be possible to continue normally.
Well, duh...how do you think Slashdot's operators get it? The system keeps a log, right? Logs are very obtainable, especially if you happen to have a badge. Even if you don't you could always break into the box and steal it if you know what you're doing.
For that matter, if you really know what you're doing, you could snatch packets traveling on the Net and correlate them with timestamps on slashdot posts. Not a simple matter mind you, but it could be done.
Besides, its the people who know what they're doing that you have to worry about. Your average J. Random Hacker or Joe Sixpack Loser probably couldn't care less who posted what on Slashdot.
You oversimplify it. There are a *vast* number of Open Source projects that are geared toward a general user audience, which would include novice users. GNOME, KDE, Evolution, Nautilus, StarOffice/OpenOffice.org, KOffice, Mozilla, KMail.
In fact, of those, I would definitely say that Mozilla and KDE and KMail are perfectly useable by the novice user. The others, IMHO, (no slight to the authors) have a little ways to go, although admittedly I have not seen the latest versions of Evolution or Nautilus.
Then again, maybe I'm just an old, wizened programmer who is out of touch...:)
Most slashdotters are advocates about retaining their privacy and personal information. Yet when it comes to other peoples privacy, ie Anonymous Cowards, it's just unacceptable.
How is this about privacy? The *only* piece of personal information you are *required* to give slashdot is a real e-mail address, which is required for validation purposes and for subscribing to the headline poster. (A few other things like messages were added with Banjo!)
The address you give them doesn't even have to be your main address anyway. You could (any many people do) give them a hotmail address or whatever.
Your posts can always get linked back to your IP address, AC or no AC, there's no way around that short of an anonymizer and there aren't too many of those around either. Besides anonymizers can't be trusted anyway.
So if you're so worried about privacy, disconnect your computer from the Internet, get your phone shut off, and move into microbus and go traveling around the country, even then you wouldn't have complete privacy.
Hmmm...does anybody remember "The Net"? Wasn't that called the Gatekeeper software, with the little PI symbol in the corner?:)
I can see it now...the new Microsoft logo is the little PI symbol and its at the bottom right corner of all web sites...:) Control-Alt Double Click it and M$ 0WnZ J00!:)
Isn't SPA just some form of NTLM? Fetchmail supports NTLM for Exchange servers. It doesn't work with Exchange 2000, though, because of an annoying problem where the POP3 server in exchange puts the trailing . right after the last character of the message, rather than adding a terminating newline prior to the . -- very annoying.
An aside to you CDE-haters: it's not how pretty the desktop is, it's all about the function. CDE stands for "Common Desktop Interface", and it's true that one can go from a Sun to an HP to an IRIX box, and, using CDE, be productive on each platform. I've been there.
Really? Strange...none of my IRIX boxes shipped with CDE on them at all...hmmm...who should I tell?;-)
SGI, to my knowledge, doesn't use CDE in IRIX. Sun on Slowlaris, HP on HP-UX, and IBM on AIX...does anyone know any other platforms that ship with CDE by default? I can't think of the other ones right now..:)
I doubt it will be dead, but it probably will end up as being two major CLECs (Covad and Worldcom) along with several ISPs that use ILECs for the last mile.
In case you hadn't noticed, Covad recently filed for chapter 11.. And the rest of the telecom business is going into the ground along with it.
Things are looking bleak right now. Right now I expect the winner in all of this will be AOL/TimeWarner.:-(
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Not necessarily. If you use ONLY Delphi/Kylix libraries, that's probably true. As soon as you make a raw Win32 API call, forget it. Dollars to donuts says the thing won't compile under Kylix. I have no practical experience trying to get Delphi apps to compile on Kylix (yet), but based on what I know about writing other stuff cross-platform, and combining that with my knowledge of Delphi, that's my story and I'm sticking too it. :)
Right. Serial port stuff is another issue. Most of the serial port stuff that I've seen written was either written years ago, or based off of stuff that was written years ago. What you'd have to do, more than likely is either find a serial port library that wraps around OS functionality, or write one yourself.
:)
'nix and NT handle serial ports very differently, and I doubt that such a library exists. Writing one should not be too difficult because serial port stuff is really basic anyways...you have data going in and data going out, it doesn't get more complicated than that.
You forgot to mention the part obout growing your hair long. This is a prerequisite.
Furthermore, you must learn important acronyms like "RTFM". Especially RTFM. (Note: British Unix Admins should also know "RTBM").
Also, wearing hiking boots is not a bad idea, especially since you never know when a mountain is going to suddenly spring up in the server room.
And you should probably squint a lot, too...I'm not sure why, but it seems to help.
Thanks... I just spit my Pepsi all over my screen!!! :)
Ok. The new District Court judge in this case ordered Microsoft, the DOJ and 19 states to enter into settlement talks. In a settlement, the parties basically agree to drop the case and enter into a consent decree (a contract), that would be by entered into the court's documents on the case and signed and ordered by the judge.
It's much better for all concerned to enter into a settlement, because each party will get something that they want, since this is a negotiated contract. And it's better for the court system, because the case will be off the docket and not tying up the court system needlessly.
While Micros~1 and the DOJ agreed some terms for this consent decree, several states still refused to sign off as of yesterday (Tuesday). That was the deadline that the judge gave for the parties to settle before she would continue with the case and enter the penalty phase.
So as of Today (11/7), several states still have not signed off. THat means that the judge will continue into the penalty phase. There will be no deal, no consent decree. The judge will arbitrarily rule what must be done, unless she adopts the consent decree which was written. That is not likely to happen, because several of the plantiffs (the states), refused to sign that consent decree, so that means if she adopts that, those states will either appeal the case or ask that the verdict be set aside, a new judge be assigned (on the basis of bias, most likely) and the case retried. Nobody wants this, so she's likely to write her own ruling.
(Goodbye Karma)
Yes, this is a good thing.
Yeah, just imagine if you had a BEOWULF CLUSTER of these things!!!!
C'mon, someone had to say it!!!
Would the US Judisary take account of none US Citesens.
;-) )
In a case about that's between the United States and Microsoft, a U.S. domestic corporation?
To be honest with you, none. Microsoft's business dealings abroad are, under our legal system, best dealt with by the governments of those countries in which Microsoft does business. Basically, the U.S. court system doesn't think it should meddle in the affairs of other sovereign states, and both the history of precedence and written law confirm that sentiment. And I think rightly so. If Microsoft is behaving badly abroad, it would and right should be up to your government to deal with that in a way that it sees fit.
The U.S. government should go around telling other countries how to run their affairs. (Ok, you can stop snickering now!
What we can tell her that the Court might actually listen to is this: how can Microsoft wiggle through loopholes? A consent decree is, when you get down to it, code. Legal rather than computer code, but code nonetheless. Let's apply the famous myriad eyeballs to finding bugs in the code here, and tell the Court in clear terms (as the Samba team have) just how it's broken.
:)
Well, that's just it. It won't be a consent decree, it will be a court-imposed penalty. What penalties the court will be allowed to give is unclear to me, but I'm fairly certain that the court-imposed penalties will be much harsher than anything the DOJ and Microsoft and 19 states were going to work out together.
Of course, the ruling itself will be like code, yes. The question is, how good is the judge at writing said code? Because Microsoft, unlike in the case of a consent decree, will have no say in what goes into that penalty whatsoever. But neither will the DOJ or anyone else but the judge really, unless she solicits their opinions on what the penalty should be or unless she adopts the consent decree in draft form, but I don't see either one of those happening.
Also, said ruling won't be available until the judge writes it. Which AFAIK won't be until *after* the 60-day comment period mandated by the Tunney Act.
So we could pick apart the consent decree, but there's no guarantee that's what she'll use and in fact it's probably NOT what she'll use.
But then again, IANAL either.
I saw this had an ATI chip in it, maybe there is some way to hook it to a CRT?
The chip is only produced by ATI. It was designed by someone else.
If we are going to have globalization of business profit making, should we not also have globalization of ethical awareness too ?
Well, from the article:
Lost in this confrontation is the idea that Democracy isn't only about multi-national markets, cheap labor and business opportunities. It's about the liberation of information, freedom of religious and cultural choice, and a brorader value system with a complex civic structure.
Ethical awareness comes into play with that. When you have greater freedoms, you also have greater responsibilities.
Think about an employee in the trenches (generally little freedom) vs. the CEO (lots of freedom). THat CEO has more responsibilities that go alont with that freedom, though.
If you're given freedom of speech, then you also have to take responsbility for what you say. If you're given freedom to bear arms, then you have to take responsibility for what you do with those arms. If your'e given freedom of religion, then you have to take the responsibility of choosing a religion (or lack thereof) that suits you and you have the responsibility not infringe on others' right to choose and excercise their religion either.
Heh. I almost downloaded this thinking it was a KDE version of Mozilla. :)
I knew some smarta$$ was going to say that ... :)
Calling MS-DOS an operating system is stretching the concept quite a bit.
:-)
DOS was nothing but a glorified interrupt handler. It wasn't unstable, since there was practically nothing to be unstable with.
Hmmm? You seem to be saying it didn't support multitasking or protected memory so it wasn't operating system. By your definition, CP/M isn't an operating system, Apple DOS and Apple ProDOS aren't operating systems.
What is an OS? An interface between the application program and the hardware right?
DOS was all of that. It had an API even (INT 21h). It did the file management, disk access functions, even some rudimentary memory management. (Better memory management came in later releases. EMM386.EXE is surely part of DOS, right?
cmd.exe is NOT DOS. Let's not even get into the fact that even command.com isn't DOS either. cmd.exe, if you examine the header, you will find it to have the letters 'PE' in the header, signifying that it is a Win32 console application, rather than a DOS application.
:)
cmd.exe is a Win32 console application that is designed to somewhat emulate DOS. But it is no more DOS than Wine is Windows.
And as for command.com, command.com is no more DOS than bash is Linux. command.com is a DOS application that gives you a shell to work in, much like bash, when compiled on Linux, is a Linux application that gives you a shell to work in. Sorry, I lied, we did get into it.
Unfortunately all the hard-core/Linux geeks spaz when they see something like this, with a Fisher-Price® GUI and "useless" fading menu effects, etc, but this is the garbage Linux will need to become a wide-spread home operating system.
:-)
Oh, you mean "Enlightenment"?
Sure, I'm going out tonight to buy XP, but only because my gaming machine is 98, and I'd like a bit more stability in it.
I hope for your sake you have a lot a horsepower and that your games will run on the XP box. A lot of games don't seem to run on Windows 2000 for some reason, and XP is based on 2000.
windows is a major part of computing and of history. many people who work it IT have to come in to contact with windows (like it or not).
What? I haven't come in contact with Windows at all...
An exception OE has occurred at 0028:C2A4785E in VxD tcpip(01) + 00001EBE.
This was called from 0028:C001AE74 in VxD NDIS(01) + 0000378C. It may be possible to continue normally.
Well, duh...how do you think Slashdot's operators get it? The system keeps a log, right? Logs are very obtainable, especially if you happen to have a badge. Even if you don't you could always break into the box and steal it if you know what you're doing.
For that matter, if you really know what you're doing, you could snatch packets traveling on the Net and correlate them with timestamps on slashdot posts. Not a simple matter mind you, but it could be done.
Besides, its the people who know what they're doing that you have to worry about. Your average J. Random Hacker or Joe Sixpack Loser probably couldn't care less who posted what on Slashdot.
You oversimplify it. There are a *vast* number of Open Source projects that are geared toward a general user audience, which would include novice users. GNOME, KDE, Evolution, Nautilus, StarOffice/OpenOffice.org, KOffice, Mozilla, KMail.
:)
In fact, of those, I would definitely say that Mozilla and KDE and KMail are perfectly useable by the novice user. The others, IMHO, (no slight to the authors) have a little ways to go, although admittedly I have not seen the latest versions of Evolution or Nautilus.
Then again, maybe I'm just an old, wizened programmer who is out of touch...
Most slashdotters are advocates about retaining their privacy and personal information. Yet when it comes to other peoples privacy, ie Anonymous Cowards, it's just unacceptable.
How is this about privacy? The *only* piece of personal information you are *required* to give slashdot is a real e-mail address, which is required for validation purposes and for subscribing to the headline poster. (A few other things like messages were added with Banjo!)
The address you give them doesn't even have to be your main address anyway. You could (any many people do) give them a hotmail address or whatever.
Your posts can always get linked back to your IP address, AC or no AC, there's no way around that short of an anonymizer and there aren't too many of those around either. Besides anonymizers can't be trusted anyway.
So if you're so worried about privacy, disconnect your computer from the Internet, get your phone shut off, and move into microbus and go traveling around the country, even then you wouldn't have complete privacy.
Hmmm...does anybody remember "The Net"? Wasn't that called the Gatekeeper software, with the little PI symbol in the corner? :)
:) Control-Alt Double Click it and M$ 0WnZ J00! :)
I can see it now...the new Microsoft logo is the little PI symbol and its at the bottom right corner of all web sites...
Isn't SPA just some form of NTLM? Fetchmail supports NTLM for Exchange servers. It doesn't work with Exchange 2000, though, because of an annoying problem where the POP3 server in exchange puts the trailing . right after the last character of the message, rather than adding a terminating newline prior to the . -- very annoying.
An aside to you CDE-haters: it's not how pretty the desktop is, it's all about the function. CDE stands for "Common Desktop Interface", and it's true that one can go from a Sun to an HP to an IRIX box, and, using CDE, be productive on each platform. I've been there.
;-)
:)
Really? Strange...none of my IRIX boxes shipped with CDE on them at all...hmmm...who should I tell?
SGI, to my knowledge, doesn't use CDE in IRIX. Sun on Slowlaris, HP on HP-UX, and IBM on AIX...does anyone know any other platforms that ship with CDE by default? I can't think of the other ones right now..
But that's not "dead" or even "dying". I'll believe "dead" when Comcast turns off my Internet service.
Yeah, and RoadRunner isn't going anywhere eit.*(P&(_&* ^)*(&PFSAS
NO CARRIER
I doubt it will be dead, but it probably will end up as being two major CLECs (Covad and Worldcom) along with several ISPs that use ILECs for the last mile.
:-(
In case you hadn't noticed, Covad recently filed for chapter 11.. And the rest of the telecom business is going into the ground along with it.
Things are looking bleak right now. Right now I expect the winner in all of this will be AOL/TimeWarner.