Yeah, and given the sad state of climate research, I would certainly not like to a have a bunch of maniacs thinking they know enough to go "climate engineering"....:-)
Internet access is not a necessary element of a student's first 12 years
of education.
Which century are you living in? Well, you can can go to school without net access, I did, I remember, but the amount of useful information out there is huge. It opens up an entire new world!
Of course, there are enormous amounts of crap out there too, but if the kids are not taught how to identify crap when they are in school, they will come out of school with a serious handicap.
Finally, my mother's a teacher, and she puts next weeks homework on the web every sunday, so that the kids can check it whenever they like, whether at school or at home. Also, parents can check out the pages and see if the kids are doing their homework....:-) Anyway, my mother is 62, but she sure thinks the net is essential for school work at any level.
IANAL, and I'm Norwegian, I figured I just post a few thoughts.
I can see that things are very different around here. For one thing, kids have formal power from the time they begin at school. From about age 12, kids elect representatives among themselves to represent them in the School Board. In some schools, these representatives may be ignored, in which case they may have a hard time being heard the way they are entitled to, but in my school, when I was in the pupils council in 7. grade, they sure listened to us.
Secondly, censorware doesn't have a good name around here. Especially in Denmark, they have a few highly clued people in high positions. Recently, the Danish Minister of Culture said she would consider a ban on censorware in public libraries! What happened is that one small public library put up censorware on their computers "to protect the children". Both the largest associations of librarians in Denmark oppose this, and the minister said she hopes the librarians
will sort it out themselves, but also that she felt that the filters threatened free expression, she would interfere. She also was also cited saying that people seeking legitimate sex education would be hindered by the filters as one particular concern....
I have a link to the story in Norwegian newspaper, in Norwegian.
First, I would go to my parents and voice my concern to some of my best teachers first. For one thing, the Univerals Declaration of Human Rights states in Article 26 that parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall be given to their
children. Thus, the school should be careful about restricting you internet access more than what your parents say. If you find some good teachers who agree with you, preparing an argument as to why censorware is bad and illegal, is a really good school project, especially if you're preparing a lawsuit!:-) It would take an understanding of relevant laws that are beyond the curriculum, for sure...
However, I don't think a lawsuit would be your best primary move, I'd say first go for your school to drop it. Now, if you had the formal power we have, you would have a nice paved road to follow, but since you don't, I guess there are other people's advice here will be useful than mine.
Around here, I think the best way to kill censorware as a commercial product is to refer to fair trade practices regulations. It sounds to me like you don't have the same regulations like we do. For one thing, if someone advertises their product saying "our product protects your children from seeing pr0n", they would have to prove it. Of course, the censorware of today is pure snake oil, and all you would have to do is a short demonstration of that fact, and they're out. I think it would make a hell of a lawsuit here, I would consider it just for the fun of it....:-)
Since you don't have a paved road in this case either, would have to work hard to get someone in power to understand that censorware is snake oil, and that it is not only that current block lists are poor, it's that any AI based software just can't work, it will remain snake oil for all foreseeable future. If you are able to get them to understand that, I think you've come a long way.
It's good that you're going to take up a fight! There are probably many who are suffering from these filters but who are not as intelligent, enlightened and resourceful as you, and who are not able to take up the fight. So go get 'em!:-)
I disagree. It is very important that intelligent kids like the poster fight censorware in his school so that the other kids who are not as intelligent, enlightened or resourceful can seek information as freely as the rest of us.
Actually, Nike makes excellent products mostly, at least their top models in running shoes are the best on the market, IMHO. However, their child labor practices suck, and for that reason, I'm currently running on a pair of Asics, which are clearly of inferior quality.
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is my guess. Hope I get a tee-shirt.
Funny, I have observing time at the Nordic Optical Telescope during the named period, they'd better get that thing down properly so it won't disturb my observations....:-)
Yeah, but, being a Nordic skier, I can tell you, Nordic skiing trails are not "truly flat"....:-) But on the other hand, Nordic skiing gives you more freedom than Alpine skiing, so why not....?:-)
I am tempted to ask "what heavy space suits"? I mean, it is not necessary, not even likely, than a Mars mission 15 years from now would require heavy space suits.
As for the period, lots of women take Depo Provera, one common side-effect is that the period goes away. I'd say that problem is fixed.
Actually, I think an all-women crew on a Mars mission deserves very serious attention. Also, I think it is important that recruitment of female astronauts gets more attention now, so that a high enough number of astronauts gathers enough experience for such a mission.
Whether we should go at all, is a different issue...
Perhaps. It shouldn't require a big study to come up with figures of the right order of magnitude. Just take the amount of legitimate messages on your system, and compare it to the volume of spam messages. The total cost of spam is about amount of money that is spent on the mail system multiplied with this ratio.
If someone likes to do the math, please do.
One thing I know: Spamming was expensive enough for an ISP that hosted a non-profit organization I work for so that they said that "if you get more spam now, we have to remove you." For me, it's not really the money, it's information pollution.
even if you could regulate U.S. spam on the current system, you would not be able to stop international spam and spammers will just set up email servers outside U.S. borders.
No problem. As long as the majority of countries have anti-spam regulation, the rest of the world will blackhole the spam-originating countries untill they acquire a clue and stamp out spam.
I don't have a TV, and I don't own a PC. Getting a PC is high on my list when I graduate, a TV is very low. By the time I've got enough money to get all the other things that are higher on my list, I think the TV will be obsolete, so probably, I'll never own a TV set.
But well, yeah, the digital divide is just a symptom of a much deeper problem, I guess you're right about that. However, it may be convienient to set agendas, who knows...
requiring any query about the
weather to be explictly programmed.
So? There is still a relatively small set of similar queries to be done in Joe Average's life, so even if this has to be explicity programmed, it would still be incredibly useful, and wastly more useful than actually walking over to the computer and click on an icon or write something on the command line.
If I had moderator points, I would have modded the original comment high....:-)
Well, the claims are pretty straightforward, and I allready do this on my cell phone. I can SMS message to my own e-mail address, my usual Procmail script catches anything coming from my own phone, passes it to a simple and buggy perl script I threw together an afternoon. Then, I can use some text browser, e.g. the LineMode browser to fetch the web page, pass it to sendmail in 160 byte chunks and send it back through an email to SMS gateway.
Well, it doesn't really work right now, but in principle it's no more than a days work to finish it. And I'm not even a (real) programmer.
Now, this has been possible for long. As long as SMS has been available, which is when? 1994 or something? I have a really hard time understanding why it hasn't seen any mainstream implementation.
Now, unless this stuff gets us full web on phone, it's not going any longer than WAP, and WAP sucks, so it's no big deal, really.
To late. It's allready big business in Singapore. Well, who cares.
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They often forget, however, that there are
two components to civil disobedience - breaking the law, and suffering the
consequences. The idea is to show that the state is unfair in having the law, but
more unfair in enforcing it.
Yes, indeed, and it is very important to note. When practicing civil disobedience, it is very important that the case ends up in court, and the higher the court the better. Hopefully, at some level, in some court, there is some judge who gets a clue, and understands that the law is unjust, or that there are other concerns that must be valued higher, for example the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, in our case Article 19 is important. Then, there will be a powerful drive towards social change, that's what you aim for.
If you go around breaking the law, and try to hide the fact that you break it, there is little drive towards social change. It could be that you make the law effectively unenforceable, but you might as well see more unjust laws.
Actually, I think VR is really kewl! I remember using it years ago when the sound card came with some simple VR software and we had a hand held scanner, and giving commands to the scanner by voice was far better than by keybord or mouse, because I wouldn't have to take my hand of the scanner. It worked very well!
Anyway, I think we will see mainstream use of VR, in not too long in connection with applications used on living-room machines and things like that. The Nokia Media Terminal for instance, that was recently shown on/., I mean, I would much rather like to talk to that machine while sitting comfortably in my best chair than a have keyboard or a remote controller in my hand. I think that's going to be a very important application of VR.
Also, in the kitchen, I mean "damn, I've got my hands full turn off that hot plate, will ya? thanks". Nice, eh?:-)
(this is an anti-M$ rant, if you don't like it, don't read it)
It is about time some rigour is introduced in these systems. Banking relies heavily on Excel, and the bugs in Excel are so deep, an article in Journal of Computational Statistics and Data Analysis concluded that
Persons desiring to conduct statistical analyses of data are advised not to use Excel.
Nupedia has a very rigorous review process, I don't think it'll be a problem. I don't know about Gutenberg, but I imagine most of their texts come from authorative dead-trees sources, which can be checked quite easily...?
There's nothing in the world that can't be learned from a quick search via google,
be it bomb recipes or the correct spelling for "partner"
Here's the problem: You are looking for the correct spelling for "partner", and you find a web site claiming it to be "parttner", another "pratner", another saying "partner", so who do you trust? How do you figure out what the correct spelling for partner is? You'll probably turn to authorities from the dead-tree world, so the question is "how do you build that authority on the web?"
It is even more true with bomb recipes sites, they are more likely to earn you a Darwin Award than make you an effective terrorist...
So, there is a lot of room for humans still. To some degree you can rely on author-provided metadata, but only as long as you can take out spammers, first-posters, trolls, etc. And, given that lameness filters take out no more of those than censorware takes out pr0n, it'll always be a place for reviewers.
Now, what the Nupedia folks is trying to do, is to create an environment where review is rigorous, on the web. You won't have to turn to dead-trees authorities to get reliable answers, the reliability lies in the review process of the *pedia, and I say that as more and more information becomes available, third party review will become increasingly important as you really don't know what to trust...
Now, Nupedia may not be an encyclopedia in the classical sense, then, but I say a centralized source is still a Good Thing [tm] for many years to come.
Yeah, it's quite hot around here. The other day, the first broadband community went online. That means, everybody is connected to the internet through 2 Mbit/s wireless LAN.
However, some care should be taken, it's easy to fall asleep and think we're so good it does comes without effort. Jakob Nielsen has a thing or two to say.
(3) Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall be given to their
children.
If you as a parent is denied this right, drag them to Haag.
While I'm not that opposed to general idea of Censorware, I'm very opposed to current implementations, and I would reserve the right to teach my kids (I don't have any yet) to crack the filters, or put up a proxy for them so that they can surf unhindered anywhere.
Also, it is worth pointing out that any rule-based filter is snake oil.
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Yeah, and given the sad state of climate research, I would certainly not like to a have a bunch of maniacs thinking they know enough to go "climate engineering".... :-)
Which century are you living in? Well, you can can go to school without net access, I did, I remember, but the amount of useful information out there is huge. It opens up an entire new world!
Of course, there are enormous amounts of crap out there too, but if the kids are not taught how to identify crap when they are in school, they will come out of school with a serious handicap.
Finally, my mother's a teacher, and she puts next weeks homework on the web every sunday, so that the kids can check it whenever they like, whether at school or at home. Also, parents can check out the pages and see if the kids are doing their homework.... :-) Anyway, my mother is 62, but she sure thinks the net is essential for school work at any level.
I can see that things are very different around here. For one thing, kids have formal power from the time they begin at school. From about age 12, kids elect representatives among themselves to represent them in the School Board. In some schools, these representatives may be ignored, in which case they may have a hard time being heard the way they are entitled to, but in my school, when I was in the pupils council in 7. grade, they sure listened to us.
Secondly, censorware doesn't have a good name around here. Especially in Denmark, they have a few highly clued people in high positions. Recently, the Danish Minister of Culture said she would consider a ban on censorware in public libraries! What happened is that one small public library put up censorware on their computers "to protect the children". Both the largest associations of librarians in Denmark oppose this, and the minister said she hopes the librarians will sort it out themselves, but also that she felt that the filters threatened free expression, she would interfere. She also was also cited saying that people seeking legitimate sex education would be hindered by the filters as one particular concern.... I have a link to the story in Norwegian newspaper, in Norwegian.
First, I would go to my parents and voice my concern to some of my best teachers first. For one thing, the Univerals Declaration of Human Rights states in Article 26 that parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall be given to their children. Thus, the school should be careful about restricting you internet access more than what your parents say. If you find some good teachers who agree with you, preparing an argument as to why censorware is bad and illegal, is a really good school project, especially if you're preparing a lawsuit! :-) It would take an understanding of relevant laws that are beyond the curriculum, for sure...
However, I don't think a lawsuit would be your best primary move, I'd say first go for your school to drop it. Now, if you had the formal power we have, you would have a nice paved road to follow, but since you don't, I guess there are other people's advice here will be useful than mine.
Around here, I think the best way to kill censorware as a commercial product is to refer to fair trade practices regulations. It sounds to me like you don't have the same regulations like we do. For one thing, if someone advertises their product saying "our product protects your children from seeing pr0n", they would have to prove it. Of course, the censorware of today is pure snake oil, and all you would have to do is a short demonstration of that fact, and they're out. I think it would make a hell of a lawsuit here, I would consider it just for the fun of it.... :-)
Since you don't have a paved road in this case either, would have to work hard to get someone in power to understand that censorware is snake oil, and that it is not only that current block lists are poor, it's that any AI based software just can't work, it will remain snake oil for all foreseeable future. If you are able to get them to understand that, I think you've come a long way.
It's good that you're going to take up a fight! There are probably many who are suffering from these filters but who are not as intelligent, enlightened and resourceful as you, and who are not able to take up the fight. So go get 'em! :-)
I disagree. It is very important that intelligent kids like the poster fight censorware in his school so that the other kids who are not as intelligent, enlightened or resourceful can seek information as freely as the rest of us.
Actually, Nike makes excellent products mostly, at least their top models in running shoes are the best on the market, IMHO. However, their child labor practices suck, and for that reason, I'm currently running on a pair of Asics, which are clearly of inferior quality.
is my guess. Hope I get a tee-shirt.
Funny, I have observing time at the Nordic Optical Telescope during the named period, they'd better get that thing down properly so it won't disturb my observations.... :-)
I think the key to understanding the poster's comment was the word unreasonable...
Yeah, but, being a Nordic skier, I can tell you, Nordic skiing trails are not "truly flat".... :-) But on the other hand, Nordic skiing gives you more freedom than Alpine skiing, so why not....? :-)
No problem, just make it one the selection criteria that they don't have the problem.
As for the period, lots of women take Depo Provera, one common side-effect is that the period goes away. I'd say that problem is fixed.
Actually, I think an all-women crew on a Mars mission deserves very serious attention. Also, I think it is important that recruitment of female astronauts gets more attention now, so that a high enough number of astronauts gathers enough experience for such a mission.
Whether we should go at all, is a different issue...
If someone likes to do the math, please do.
One thing I know: Spamming was expensive enough for an ISP that hosted a non-profit organization I work for so that they said that "if you get more spam now, we have to remove you." For me, it's not really the money, it's information pollution.
No problem. As long as the majority of countries have anti-spam regulation, the rest of the world will blackhole the spam-originating countries untill they acquire a clue and stamp out spam.
But well, yeah, the digital divide is just a symptom of a much deeper problem, I guess you're right about that. However, it may be convienient to set agendas, who knows...
No, you combine it with eye-tracking stuff and just look at whatever you'd like to focus... :-)
So? There is still a relatively small set of similar queries to be done in Joe Average's life, so even if this has to be explicity programmed, it would still be incredibly useful, and wastly more useful than actually walking over to the computer and click on an icon or write something on the command line.
If I had moderator points, I would have modded the original comment high.... :-)
Well, it doesn't really work right now, but in principle it's no more than a days work to finish it. And I'm not even a (real) programmer.
Now, this has been possible for long. As long as SMS has been available, which is when? 1994 or something? I have a really hard time understanding why it hasn't seen any mainstream implementation.
Now, unless this stuff gets us full web on phone, it's not going any longer than WAP, and WAP sucks, so it's no big deal, really.
To late. It's allready big business in Singapore. Well, who cares.
Yes, indeed, and it is very important to note. When practicing civil disobedience, it is very important that the case ends up in court, and the higher the court the better. Hopefully, at some level, in some court, there is some judge who gets a clue, and understands that the law is unjust, or that there are other concerns that must be valued higher, for example the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, in our case Article 19 is important. Then, there will be a powerful drive towards social change, that's what you aim for.
If you go around breaking the law, and try to hide the fact that you break it, there is little drive towards social change. It could be that you make the law effectively unenforceable, but you might as well see more unjust laws.
So, take pride in what you do.
Anyway, I think we will see mainstream use of VR, in not too long in connection with applications used on living-room machines and things like that. The Nokia Media Terminal for instance, that was recently shown on /., I mean, I would much rather like to talk to that machine while sitting comfortably in my best chair than a have keyboard or a remote controller in my hand. I think that's going to be a very important application of VR.
Also, in the kitchen, I mean "damn, I've got my hands full turn off that hot plate, will ya? thanks". Nice, eh? :-)
It is about time some rigour is introduced in these systems. Banking relies heavily on Excel, and the bugs in Excel are so deep, an article in Journal of Computational Statistics and Data Analysis concluded that
Now, it turns out Excel doesn't do computer arithmetics very well. It's very, very bad, actually...
Nupedia has a very rigorous review process, I don't think it'll be a problem. I don't know about Gutenberg, but I imagine most of their texts come from authorative dead-trees sources, which can be checked quite easily...?
Here's the problem: You are looking for the correct spelling for "partner", and you find a web site claiming it to be "parttner", another "pratner", another saying "partner", so who do you trust? How do you figure out what the correct spelling for partner is? You'll probably turn to authorities from the dead-tree world, so the question is "how do you build that authority on the web?"
It is even more true with bomb recipes sites, they are more likely to earn you a Darwin Award than make you an effective terrorist...
So, there is a lot of room for humans still. To some degree you can rely on author-provided metadata, but only as long as you can take out spammers, first-posters, trolls, etc. And, given that lameness filters take out no more of those than censorware takes out pr0n, it'll always be a place for reviewers.
Now, what the Nupedia folks is trying to do, is to create an environment where review is rigorous, on the web. You won't have to turn to dead-trees authorities to get reliable answers, the reliability lies in the review process of the *pedia, and I say that as more and more information becomes available, third party review will become increasingly important as you really don't know what to trust...
Now, Nupedia may not be an encyclopedia in the classical sense, then, but I say a centralized source is still a Good Thing [tm] for many years to come.
Oh well, thanks for the clarification, I guess I forgot the IANAL, and BTW, IANAmerican either...
However, some care should be taken, it's easy to fall asleep and think we're so good it does comes without effort. Jakob Nielsen has a thing or two to say.
If you as a parent is denied this right, drag them to Haag.
While I'm not that opposed to general idea of Censorware, I'm very opposed to current implementations, and I would reserve the right to teach my kids (I don't have any yet) to crack the filters, or put up a proxy for them so that they can surf unhindered anywhere.
Also, it is worth pointing out that any rule-based filter is snake oil.