Ok. So you're one of those people who thinks Obama's birth certificate must be fake, since you know for a fact that he wasn't born in the US, since you don't like him.
Either that, or it was a very subtle joke, which, due to the current crop of asshats making a big deal of that exact subject, doesn't come across as such.
"Iggy" is the nickname given to Michael Ignatieff who came from the US (born in Canada, but hasn't been here for years) to run the Liberal Party of Canada, and is now vying for the position of Prime Minister.
My point is that 50 years ago, virtually everyone either could, or had a family member who could change oil, spark plugs, air filters, light bulbs, etc, on their car. Nowadays you'd be lucky if you could find 2 on the same residential street.
It's a similar situation with any device, gizmo, technology, or what have you. Hell, even home repairs. People call in the electrician nowadays to change a broken light switch. WTF?
That's why the USA/Canada is going to get overtaken by China and India. Because we're either not capable, or too lazy to interact with real life.
There are literally thousands of people doing fun / dangerous / odd things with screwdrivers, soldering irons, plasma cutters, welders and JTAG programmers.
And there are over six and a half billion people in the world. Thousands is nothing.
There's also various cities that have passed regulations about grey-water, that then means you can't clean your car in the driveway anymore.
Are you serious? That's the most moronic thing I've ever heard. I've never heard of it before now, so I don't think anybody around me has such a law. And it's not like rainwater is going to be so clean after pouring from your dirty car.
There's an idea: Spray your car with soap before a big thunderstorm hits, then just let it rain.
One of my stereos that was made in the 70s is a component system with a bunch of inputs and multiple speaker outputs, too. It's also able to be set up to feed to an external EQ. This is also capable of being hooked up to my TV/VCR/DVD, which is no more complex than anything today, other than being 2 channel, rather than 5.1. And if you can't figure out where the speakers go by the labels, you've really got issues.
Better to hold your temper while they are in control of your immediate destiny, remember names, remember faces and unload on them legally, after the fact if you feel compelled.
Actually, that's exactly what I'm going to be doing, soon. There wasn't any violence involved in my contact with police abuse, but there were at least 6 of them in the first round. It's still ongoing, which is why I'm not going into any more detail, but suffice it to say, they'll regret it eventually...
I limited the context of my argument to the direction the thread was going, which is a perfectly reasonable and expected position to take. The thread was talking about using wget for a load of porn, while casting the blame onto someone else. Suddenly going back to the topic of P2P without mentioning it is asinine.
As far as spoofing an ACK, you could do it, yes, but you'd also have to spoof a bunch of other stuff, packet sequences, etc. All would have to direct back to your spoofed IP, which is not actually listening, and you wouldn't hear any of the responses from the server to guide you.
Basically, it would be trying to hold a conversation with someone who you can't hear, but saying all the right things so that they don't figure out that you can't hear them. Possible, yes, but very difficult. And keep in mind that all the CP that you're directing there wouldn't end up on your machine, so it's not like you'd even be doing it to get CP without being caught. All this effort would be solely to frame someone else, and you're not even sure who they are, because all you have is an IP address.
And if they're running a non-standard TCP stack that's even logging incomplete connections, they're going to end up with millions upon millions of connection attempts, port scans, and tons of internet noise to wade through on the off chance of finding the one connection that's being spoofed to try to frame someone for downloading CP, which at that point would look exactly the same as a regular port scan.
And the clueless technical neophytes have no idea what the heck Heathkit is, so the phrase is as meaningless to them as 2N3904.
Reminds me of a Popular Science article from around 1981, where a guy built his own hovercraft. Overcame a bunch of design issues, and eventually came up with a great design. What has PS devolved to now? "Look at this great product from this great company!" Sure, it's a little more indepth than blatant advertising, but not much.
That's a great phrase, though. I'll have to remember it.
That applies just fine to things like iPods and other miniaturized electronics, but there are plenty of things that can't be miniaturized this way.
How about your car? Changing a tire is the exact same process it was 30 years ago, but nowadays pretty much nobody does it, whereas 30 years ago people rotated their own tires in their driveway. Same with changing a taillight bulb. If anything, it's even easier on modern cars, because the lights are held in with toolless plastic wingnuts in the trunk, rather than needing a screwdriver to take the lens out from the outside. But again, nobody does it themselves.
Hooking up a home entertainment system? It's a bunch of cables that go from one component to the next. How is this any harder than it ever was? 30 years ago, people would buy all the components, and spend an hour or two connecting everything up, and be proud of how it all worked when they were finished. Now, they'll call some big box home theater idiots, have them connect it all, and be proud of how much money they spent doing it.
Maybe that's it. Technical knowledge has given way to financial well being as the highest goal of society.
They can't guarantee that you get your data. That's what backups are for. Government regulation is not meant to protect people from their own stupidity, regardless of the fact that it's sometimes abused to this end.
But they can make it a criminal offence to sell servers, drives, flash media, or any other data storage device with customer data from a shut down company. It should also probably be an offence to buy the same without reporting it.
Say I spoof your IP address and (somehow) manage to start a wget of a boatload of porn. It starts heading toward your IP, but since you have no application waiting to receive this, the packets are not ACKed, and the transmission stops.
That's assuming that the sender wasn't really just logging all of the requests for law enforcement and not actually sending anything back.
wget is not P2P, and does not use UDP.
You can't change the context of the argument after you've made a point, in order to make that point correct. You apparently also don't know how debates work.
A TCP connection, as used by wget, requires a response in order to continue. Without getting the response from the server in the TCP handshake, no request for data will ever be made, because the connection hasn't been successfully made.
If you're talking about another protocol, fine, but you need to specify that, rather than injecting the comment into a conversation about wget and expecting everybody to just know what you're talking about.
A spoofed IP address will not allow this response, so it will be impossible to "wget of a boatload of porn," even just to the point of the server logging connecting IP addresses.
I don't know why being creative in the "industrial arts" has gained hipster status...
It's either hip, or terrifying, depending on who you talk to. That being said, the reason is simple: The vast majority of people nowadays have no idea what goes on outside their own job, and a lot of them don't even know what goes on _in_ their own job.
The days of most people being able to take things apart and fix them themselves are long behind us. What caused this downfall of knowledge, I don't know, but I suspect it has something to do with Fox, American Idle, partisan politics, NIMBY, and excessive litigation.
Basically, society has been moving in a direction that discourages - or downright criminalizes - tinkering. Most people support this, because it means they don't have to know how things work, and the mental stimulation and exercise that might be required is easier to waste on Fox and American Idle.
The fact that you can get sued for changing a chip out in your own hardware is simply an extra reason to avoid even finding out how to do it. If you're a clueless idiot with technology, you can't be accused of modifying that technology.
If you want some guarantee that they destroy your data when you are no longer a customer then use one that proivdes that guarantee. At my place of work we have language in out contract with our dedicated server provider about what they must do with hard drives that we have used and so on - and yes that means we negotiated with them for a price and likely paid more than if we didn't want that requirement placed on them.
And when said server provider goes belly up, how do you ensure that guarantee is enforced, rather than the servers sold off to the highest bidder, complete with all contained customer data?
Cop had his hand around the neck of the first one when the video started, choking her. That's unreasonable force for someone that was not seriously resisting.
In Canada, if you're arrested illegally, you have the right to resist arrest. So says the Supreme Court.
If a cop tried some shit like this with me for jaywalking, of all things, I would not go peacefully. And if they ever, for any reason, put their hand on my neck like this cop did to the first girl, they'd find some parts of their body mysteriously broken.
Wait a minute. You don't think speed limits are reasonable, but you think that speeding up slightly decreases safety? I emphatically disagree that there is a safer way to handle it.... *unless* you account for the cost associated with getting pulled over and getting a ticket. But that's sort of my point. The ticket punishes a behavior that would otherwise be safer. What's your argument for another action, not considering police enforcement, being safer? Presumably you feel that speeding up 3 mph at highway speeds introduces a safety cost that more than offsets the benefit of spending perhaps a quarter of the time in the left lane being tailgated. I wonder how you arrive at that conclusion.
Because speed kills helpless babies, and if you don't agree, you're a dirty terrorist.
Even if you're speeding to get a dying baby to the hospital (who was of course injured by another speeding motorist) then you should be shot at dawn with no trial, because as we've been told for many decades, the only people who speed are irresponsible, reckless tyrants with no regard for human life.
While we're on the discussion, maybe all cars should be retrofitted with a small thermonuclear device that's set to detonate when the vehicle's speed exceeds the speed limit by 1 mph. Nobody will ever speed, then. Even if the try, they'll be blown up. And of course, having exploding vehicles all over the road is much safer than having speeders, because...well...they're SPEEDDIGNGINGNGNGNG!!!1!1!1l111o1!jlafJe
> I agree with you, but how is the end user to know what these file formats are?
How does an auto mechanic know which tasks require a crescent wrench and which tasks require a torque wrench? Part of having a job is being familiar with the tools of your trade. And if your job description includes: "redact classified information from documentation that is to be released publicly" it is your own responsibility to know what tools are appropriate to the task.
Unless you want your I.T. department to be the only ones that ever redact information in the organization, this analogy is not appropriate.
Although if I.T. hasn't set up good backups, they may be redacting information on a grand scale at some point....
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Ok. So you're one of those people who thinks Obama's birth certificate must be fake, since you know for a fact that he wasn't born in the US, since you don't like him.
Either that, or it was a very subtle joke, which, due to the current crop of asshats making a big deal of that exact subject, doesn't come across as such.
What the heck has this got to do with Obama?
"Iggy" is the nickname given to Michael Ignatieff who came from the US (born in Canada, but hasn't been here for years) to run the Liberal Party of Canada, and is now vying for the position of Prime Minister.
In Soviet Russia, 2 decades ago is worn and old joke meme.
Wait.....what?
Yeah. People who come in from other countries and end up ruling, tend to fuck things up.
Hey, Iggy! GTFO!!
My point is that 50 years ago, virtually everyone either could, or had a family member who could change oil, spark plugs, air filters, light bulbs, etc, on their car. Nowadays you'd be lucky if you could find 2 on the same residential street.
It's a similar situation with any device, gizmo, technology, or what have you. Hell, even home repairs. People call in the electrician nowadays to change a broken light switch. WTF?
That's why the USA/Canada is going to get overtaken by China and India. Because we're either not capable, or too lazy to interact with real life.
There are literally thousands of people doing fun / dangerous / odd things with screwdrivers, soldering irons, plasma cutters, welders and JTAG programmers.
And there are over six and a half billion people in the world. Thousands is nothing.
I think that's pretty much where I wanted to end up with my comment. I just didn't quite get there....
There's also various cities that have passed regulations about grey-water, that then means you can't clean your car in the driveway anymore.
Are you serious? That's the most moronic thing I've ever heard. I've never heard of it before now, so I don't think anybody around me has such a law. And it's not like rainwater is going to be so clean after pouring from your dirty car.
There's an idea: Spray your car with soap before a big thunderstorm hits, then just let it rain.
One of my stereos that was made in the 70s is a component system with a bunch of inputs and multiple speaker outputs, too. It's also able to be set up to feed to an external EQ. This is also capable of being hooked up to my TV/VCR/DVD, which is no more complex than anything today, other than being 2 channel, rather than 5.1. And if you can't figure out where the speakers go by the labels, you've really got issues.
BTW, who has a VCR, DVD, and Blue Ray player?
Better to hold your temper while they are in control of your immediate destiny, remember names, remember faces and unload on them legally, after the fact if you feel compelled.
Actually, that's exactly what I'm going to be doing, soon. There wasn't any violence involved in my contact with police abuse, but there were at least 6 of them in the first round. It's still ongoing, which is why I'm not going into any more detail, but suffice it to say, they'll regret it eventually...
I limited the context of my argument to the direction the thread was going, which is a perfectly reasonable and expected position to take. The thread was talking about using wget for a load of porn, while casting the blame onto someone else. Suddenly going back to the topic of P2P without mentioning it is asinine.
As far as spoofing an ACK, you could do it, yes, but you'd also have to spoof a bunch of other stuff, packet sequences, etc. All would have to direct back to your spoofed IP, which is not actually listening, and you wouldn't hear any of the responses from the server to guide you.
Basically, it would be trying to hold a conversation with someone who you can't hear, but saying all the right things so that they don't figure out that you can't hear them. Possible, yes, but very difficult.
And keep in mind that all the CP that you're directing there wouldn't end up on your machine, so it's not like you'd even be doing it to get CP without being caught. All this effort would be solely to frame someone else, and you're not even sure who they are, because all you have is an IP address.
And if they're running a non-standard TCP stack that's even logging incomplete connections, they're going to end up with millions upon millions of connection attempts, port scans, and tons of internet noise to wade through on the off chance of finding the one connection that's being spoofed to try to frame someone for downloading CP, which at that point would look exactly the same as a regular port scan.
And the clueless technical neophytes have no idea what the heck Heathkit is, so the phrase is as meaningless to them as 2N3904.
Reminds me of a Popular Science article from around 1981, where a guy built his own hovercraft. Overcame a bunch of design issues, and eventually came up with a great design. What has PS devolved to now? "Look at this great product from this great company!" Sure, it's a little more indepth than blatant advertising, but not much.
That's a great phrase, though. I'll have to remember it.
That applies just fine to things like iPods and other miniaturized electronics, but there are plenty of things that can't be miniaturized this way.
How about your car? Changing a tire is the exact same process it was 30 years ago, but nowadays pretty much nobody does it, whereas 30 years ago people rotated their own tires in their driveway. Same with changing a taillight bulb. If anything, it's even easier on modern cars, because the lights are held in with toolless plastic wingnuts in the trunk, rather than needing a screwdriver to take the lens out from the outside. But again, nobody does it themselves.
Hooking up a home entertainment system? It's a bunch of cables that go from one component to the next. How is this any harder than it ever was? 30 years ago, people would buy all the components, and spend an hour or two connecting everything up, and be proud of how it all worked when they were finished. Now, they'll call some big box home theater idiots, have them connect it all, and be proud of how much money they spent doing it.
Maybe that's it. Technical knowledge has given way to financial well being as the highest goal of society.
They can't guarantee that you get your data. That's what backups are for. Government regulation is not meant to protect people from their own stupidity, regardless of the fact that it's sometimes abused to this end.
But they can make it a criminal offence to sell servers, drives, flash media, or any other data storage device with customer data from a shut down company. It should also probably be an offence to buy the same without reporting it.
Say I spoof your IP address and (somehow) manage to start a wget of a boatload of porn. It starts heading toward your IP, but since you have no application waiting to receive this, the packets are not ACKed, and the transmission stops.
That's assuming that the sender wasn't really just logging all of the requests for law enforcement and not actually sending anything back.
wget is not P2P, and does not use UDP.
You can't change the context of the argument after you've made a point, in order to make that point correct. You apparently also don't know how debates work.
A TCP connection, as used by wget, requires a response in order to continue. Without getting the response from the server in the TCP handshake, no request for data will ever be made, because the connection hasn't been successfully made.
If you're talking about another protocol, fine, but you need to specify that, rather than injecting the comment into a conversation about wget and expecting everybody to just know what you're talking about.
A spoofed IP address will not allow this response, so it will be impossible to "wget of a boatload of porn," even just to the point of the server logging connecting IP addresses.
I don't know why being creative in the "industrial arts" has gained hipster status...
It's either hip, or terrifying, depending on who you talk to.
That being said, the reason is simple:
The vast majority of people nowadays have no idea what goes on outside their own job, and a lot of them don't even know what goes on _in_ their own job.
The days of most people being able to take things apart and fix them themselves are long behind us. What caused this downfall of knowledge, I don't know, but I suspect it has something to do with Fox, American Idle, partisan politics, NIMBY, and excessive litigation.
Basically, society has been moving in a direction that discourages - or downright criminalizes - tinkering. Most people support this, because it means they don't have to know how things work, and the mental stimulation and exercise that might be required is easier to waste on Fox and American Idle.
The fact that you can get sued for changing a chip out in your own hardware is simply an extra reason to avoid even finding out how to do it. If you're a clueless idiot with technology, you can't be accused of modifying that technology.
If you want some guarantee that they destroy your data when you are no longer a customer then use one that proivdes that guarantee. At my place of work we have language in out contract with our dedicated server provider about what they must do with hard drives that we have used and so on - and yes that means we negotiated with them for a price and likely paid more than if we didn't want that requirement placed on them.
And when said server provider goes belly up, how do you ensure that guarantee is enforced, rather than the servers sold off to the highest bidder, complete with all contained customer data?
That's assuming that the sender wasn't really just logging all of the requests for law enforcement and not actually sending anything back.
You really have no idea how stateful protocols like TCP work, do you?
Cop had his hand around the neck of the first one when the video started, choking her. That's unreasonable force for someone that was not seriously resisting.
In Canada, if you're arrested illegally, you have the right to resist arrest. So says the Supreme Court.
If a cop tried some shit like this with me for jaywalking, of all things, I would not go peacefully. And if they ever, for any reason, put their hand on my neck like this cop did to the first girl, they'd find some parts of their body mysteriously broken.
Wait a minute. You don't think speed limits are reasonable, but you think that speeding up slightly decreases safety? I emphatically disagree that there is a safer way to handle it.... *unless* you account for the cost associated with getting pulled over and getting a ticket. But that's sort of my point. The ticket punishes a behavior that would otherwise be safer. What's your argument for another action, not considering police enforcement, being safer? Presumably you feel that speeding up 3 mph at highway speeds introduces a safety cost that more than offsets the benefit of spending perhaps a quarter of the time in the left lane being tailgated. I wonder how you arrive at that conclusion.
Because speed kills helpless babies, and if you don't agree, you're a dirty terrorist.
Even if you're speeding to get a dying baby to the hospital (who was of course injured by another speeding motorist) then you should be shot at dawn with no trial, because as we've been told for many decades, the only people who speed are irresponsible, reckless tyrants with no regard for human life.
While we're on the discussion, maybe all cars should be retrofitted with a small thermonuclear device that's set to detonate when the vehicle's speed exceeds the speed limit by 1 mph. Nobody will ever speed, then. Even if the try, they'll be blown up. And of course, having exploding vehicles all over the road is much safer than having speeders, because...well...they're SPEEDDIGNGINGNGNGNG!!!1!1!1l111o1!jlafJe
No kidding.
That stuff makes the sweat pour off me....
In one study done in a prison, none of the inmates in the test group developed brain cancer after having their heads exposed to a high voltage.
No, but it did seriously mess up their hairstyles....
but it doesn't mean that the device relying on the clock can handle it without some strange, sudden and premature failure.
You're assuming that most people haven't already had strange, premature brain failures.
Actually, that explains an awful lot about society....
> I agree with you, but how is the end user to know what these file formats are?
How does an auto mechanic know which tasks require a crescent wrench and which tasks require a torque wrench? Part of having a job is being familiar with the tools of your trade. And if your job description includes: "redact classified information from documentation that is to be released publicly" it is your own responsibility to know what tools are appropriate to the task.
Unless you want your I.T. department to be the only ones that ever redact information in the organization, this analogy is not appropriate.
Although if I.T. hasn't set up good backups, they may be redacting information on a grand scale at some point....
It is kinder in the long run not to feed the paranoid fantasies of the mentally ill.
Kinder, but nowhere near as fun....