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Idle: Fairytale Character Map Raises Ire In Russia and Ukraine
The downside of not having ones base of children's stories crafted and maintained by trained storytime engineers from the Disney Corporation has reared its warty head in Russia and Ukraine. A map of purportedly Russian folktale characters' haunts has drawn fire from Ukrainians, who object to what they see as the appropriation (from Ukraine) of such famous characters as miraculously strong Ilya Muromets, the gold-producing Speckled Hen, and Kolobok ("a cheerful talking cake who flees animals eager to eat him"). This seems like nothing that couldn't be cleared up with some artfully mis-pointed highway signs and a few tons of papier-mâché.
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Yes, very unfortunate. Because we need more historical culture to be tied up in intellectual property rights so rich people can sue other people who reference it.
Kolobok ("a cheerful talking cake who flees animals eager to eat him").
The cake is a liar.
"A government is a body of people usually -- notably -- ungoverned." -Shepherd Book
Russia always steals from the Ukraine (I'm a Ukrainian). At least this time it's just fairy tales. Last time they tried to starve us to death http://www.holodomorsurvivors.ca/
And Stalin's grandson excuses it saying genocide was not illegal in 1930's and is trying to sue the Ukraine http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/58247/.
Screw the fairy tales I want justice for a genocide.
The summary seems awfully familiar... it reads like the filter-poisoning crap you get tagged onto the end of spam that sneaks past your spam filter.
In Soviet Russia, folkloric heritage disputes YOU!!
I'm so glad that in America our media conglomerates have taken upon themselves the duty to define and police our beloved characters. I shudder to think what would happen in 300 years if Mickey Mouse was allowed to move into public domain. We'd probably have those damn, dirty Canadians trying to say that he lived in Ottawa or something.
you know what you need to do.
Stop posting pointless stories about third world hellholes.
Technically, Russia and Ukraine weren't third world (defined as unaligned in the Cold War); they were second world (USSR and its allies). And if by "third world" you mean the colloquial definition of "a country substantially less developed than my own", look at comments to any story about mobile phones and you'll see Finnish people and other northern and western Europeans calling the United States a third-world hellhole.
Just north-northwest of Nizhny Novgorod is what appears to be one of the Pokeymans.
"Canadian Bacon"? I thought he was from Philly. Do we need to see his long form?
Back in the middle ages, when these fairy tales were created, Russians and Ukrainians were one, united ethnic group speaking one language (it took many centuries for the languages and cultures to drift apart, and Ukrainians didn't really start to develop a separate national identity until the 19th century); so claiming that an ancient fairy tale character is exclusively Ukrainian or exclusively Russian is utterly ridiculous. Unless, of course, that character is somehow firmly tied to a particular geographic location. One such example is Ilya Muromets, who (as you can guess from the name) is from the town of Murom, located in Russia, 400 miles north-west of the Ukrainian border. The insane people claiming Ilya Muromets exclusively for Ukrainian folklore have clearly failed both history and geography.
My wife is from Tbilisi, Georgia and she has told me this is nothing new. Russia has a long history of taking credit for everything in the caucus, from regional foods, to traditions, to even attempt the world to think actors and singers are of Russian origin.
I am not sure what they get out of it. Perhaps they attempt using it as tourism lure, or a local morale thing. For the most part, the other countries have made sure the rest of the world knows better.
Indeed, there are way too many articles about that rat hole.
He has the power to drink vast quantities of Vodka and wake up face down in an alley without a hangover. Russia discounts the stories of his Ukranian origins and even points to an alley named after the magical Bear and the fact the Bear is a symbol of Russia itself.
WTF? We splitting hairs here?!
It's par for the course on Slashdot, where hairs split YOU!
According to wikipedia, the old Speckled Hen comes from Abingdon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Speckled_Hen. Very tasty too.
Russia has a long history of taking credit for everything
If Russia had its way, would it be "Russia on My Mind"?
in the caucus
I thought Georgia ran a primary, not a caucus. Did you mean Caucasus?
No worries about this. I mean, nobody ever got into a war over some fairy stories. Unless you include someone elses religious stories. Lik the Bible or the Koran.
Who would win this election: Andrew Weiner vs Andrew Weiner's weiner.
Hohlosrach is the perpetual exchange of expletives between Russians and Ukrainians on the Internets, which has been going on since the Soviet Union fell apart and the Internets spread over there.
For those who speak Russian, but don't frequent the udaff-com site: http://lurkmore.ru/%D0%A5%D0%BE%D1%85%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%87
No, that's actually a very, very good thing.
Modern copyright is theft of culture from everyone and it retards the progress of the useful arts and sciences.
"i'll get youuu, disneyy, and your little talking mouse tooo AH hahahahahaaaa"
oh man, screw this! i didn't believe it could happen, but then i clicked the link to the map and there it was. right all up in my face! russia stole kolobok and ilya of murom from ukraine. i heard rumors this might happen one day, but i didn't listen. i said "shut up dummy, they already have buratino and sadko so why would they steal kolobok and ilya?" but who's the dummy now? i didn't know... you'll pay for this russia!
http://richarddawkins.net/articles/520621-hitler-s-election-poster-uses-the-concordat-of-pius-xii
Timothy, you illiterate fuckwit.
[...] caused by a combination of poorly thought-out and brutally implemented collectivization, habitual use of fake statistics, and a bureaucratic culture where underlings were afraid to tell their higher-ups that the higher-ups' "wise policies" [...]
Sometimes also called Communism.
the article has nothing to do with disney. apparently not everyone knows that disney borrowed from multiple sources (copyright, so what?). the point of the article is what country did the folk tales originate.
It may look like a total non-issue from an American point of view, but I think there are quite a few in the rest of the world who have annoyed - or even incensed - by the constant, superficial and so very American tendency to take the tales of other countries, get them completely wrong and produce some totally vapid "Grand Epic" with Richard Burton and Elizabeth Taylor or, good grief, some idiotic superhero cartoon. That there are still countries in the world whose cultural heritage hasn't been commercialised and/or semi-raped yet is only down to the fact that the perpetrators are generally not all the well versed in other countries' tradition, because that would require the to get some education.
Personally, I feel particularly affronted by the cartoon featuring "Thor", being Danish, but I don't think there has ever been just one accurate, faithful representation of any folk-tale, religious myth or other in any American mass production. Mulan? Pocanhontas (and that one is native American!)? Sparta?
Probably, the reason why it feels so bad is that these cultural traditions are so old - they have, generation after generation, touched something deep in ordinary people, and then some smarmy wanker from Holywood comes and pisses on you. How can you not feel bad about that?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Pius_XII
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichskonkordat
The Reichskonkordat is the concordat between the Holy See and Germany, guaranteeing the rights of the Catholic Church in Germany. It was signed on July 20, 1933 by Secretary of State Eugenio Pacelli (who later became Pope Pius XII) and Vice Chancellor Franz von Papen on behalf of Pope Pius XI and President Paul von Hindenburg respectively.
Here's a reciprocated story of another fairytale character. Did you know that in China the very loved Alice’s Adventure in Wonderland were banned in that country.